Smite Spec Line - Phoenix Freeshard

Laying in bed wondering why smite line hasn’t been looked at. It was obvious on this patch level that there was no intentions of making clerics viable offensively, but why not? You have shams spending cave/aug and you have natty druids. What are the downsides of giving clerics at least their 1650 range updated nuke they got later so they can at least Help rupt.

-signed,
I miss my mordred smiter

Mon 3 Feb 2020 12:06 PM by Lollie

It should definetly be brought up to 1500 range to bring it in line with other dd spells.

Mon 3 Feb 2020 5:01 PM by Isavyr

Everything about smite line was overnerfed in reaction by Mythic. Their 1350 smite should be 1500, same as stun. The damage should be increased, or at the very minimum the mana cost greatly reduced. The mana reduction would greatly help smite clerics perform rupt duty.

Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:04 PM by chryso

You bring up shamans. How about if the cleric DD is brought up to shaman distance but then it is also put in a 20 second timer like the shamans?

Can anyone tell me why the shaman has a 20 second timer on a castable DD? If it was instant I would understand.

Wed 5 Feb 2020 6:17 PM by teiloh

chryso wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:04 PM
You bring up shamans. How about if the cleric DD is brought up to shaman distance but then it is also put in a 20 second timer like the shamans?

Can anyone tell me why the shaman has a 20 second timer on a castable DD? If it was instant I would understand.

Are you saying that Cave is worse than Smite?

Cave shams have a full-spec power DoT in the baseline, a bolt, full-spec power AOE disease in the baseline, list-caster equivalent AOE DoT, and one of the best utility/interrupt skills in the game (PB Disease).

The DD was just a nice extra Mythic threw in to help Cave Shams finish things off in PvE.

Mon 24 Feb 2020 9:26 PM by Corkster

I though they nerfed the cleric's smite because of his healing abilities. He was the only class with a caster level dd, stun and the ability to have insta-heals and decent armor. He was kind of like a really tanky hib caster. They really over nerfed him though. So much they tried to fix him on live. I'm surprised phoenix left him in that broken offensive state. Even if he didn't get more offensive skills, some better defensive ones would be nice.

Tue 25 Feb 2020 10:51 AM by teiloh

Smite was nowhere near caster DPS

No rising dex
No high dex race
1350 range
225/4s cast
No base crit chance
No acuity buff

Mids and Hibs just didn't know basic math.

Tue 25 Feb 2020 11:07 AM by Freedomcall

teiloh wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Feb 2020 10:51 AM
Smite was nowhere near caster DPS

No rising dex
No high dex race
1350 range
225/4s cast
No base crit chance
No acuity buff

Mids and Hibs just didn't know basic math.

1350 range and 4s cast? Which one are you talking about?

Wed 26 Feb 2020 4:25 AM by teiloh

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Feb 2020 11:07 AM
1350 range and 4s cast? Which one are you talking about?

Spec Smite pre 1.53 was 43 spec, 225 delve, 4s cast with 1350 range.

Mids and Hibs cried about this.

Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:03 PM by Isavyr

teiloh wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 4:25 AM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Feb 2020 11:07 AM
1350 range and 4s cast? Which one are you talking about?

Spec Smite pre 1.53 was 43 spec, 225 delve, 4s cast with 1350 range.

Mids and Hibs cried about this.

Funny that they cried about it, because what replaced it is even better. Yes, the current DPS is 176/3.0s, so 58.6 DPS. It replaced the pre-nerf of 225/4.0, a DPS of 56.2 DPS. Yet, it still is weak, and has the following disadvantages:
1) It has a higher resist rate due to being lower spell (level 43).
2) It has lower range (1350 instead of 1500).
3) It isn't dealt by a caster, which benefits from acuity buffs.
It should have its damage buffed in my opinion. Enhancing the damage to 209/3.0s would be a good starting place. Already we've seen the thane get much higher, and it's worked out fine.

I would go a step further and increase the baseline to 1500 range and decrease its mana cost to 23 mana. This gives it the same efficiency of a weak caster baseline nuke. 72% of the mana value of a 176 DD/31 mana. Currently it is 37 mana, which is excessive.

Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:08 PM by Ashenspire

chryso wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:04 PM
You bring up shamans. How about if the cleric DD is brought up to shaman distance but then it is also put in a 20 second timer like the shamans?

Can anyone tell me why the shaman has a 20 second timer on a castable DD? If it was instant I would understand.

Shamans don't have a DD spell. They have a bolt. All bolts behave the same, which is different from direct damage spells, and all are on a 20s timer.

Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:18 PM by Freedomcall

Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:04 PM
You bring up shamans. How about if the cleric DD is brought up to shaman distance but then it is also put in a 20 second timer like the shamans?

Can anyone tell me why the shaman has a 20 second timer on a castable DD? If it was instant I would understand.

Shamans don't have a DD spell. They have a bolt. All bolts behave the same, which is different from direct damage spells, and all are on a 20s timer.

You should at least check the charplanner if you have never played shaman.

Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:35 PM by Sepplord

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:18 PM
Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:04 PM
You bring up shamans. How about if the cleric DD is brought up to shaman distance but then it is also put in a 20 second timer like the shamans?

Can anyone tell me why the shaman has a 20 second timer on a castable DD? If it was instant I would understand.

Shamans don't have a DD spell. They have a bolt. All bolts behave the same, which is different from direct damage spells, and all are on a 20s timer.

You should at least check the charplanner if you have never played shaman.

that's not the ashenspire way though

Wed 26 Feb 2020 6:54 PM by Ashenspire

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:18 PM
Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Feb 2020 3:04 PM
You bring up shamans. How about if the cleric DD is brought up to shaman distance but then it is also put in a 20 second timer like the shamans?

Can anyone tell me why the shaman has a 20 second timer on a castable DD? If it was instant I would understand.

Shamans don't have a DD spell. They have a bolt. All bolts behave the same, which is different from direct damage spells, and all are on a 20s timer.

You should at least check the charplanner if you have never played shaman.

Shit, ya know what? You're right. Sad part is I have like a 30 something shaman. I just never put the fucking thing on my bar. TIL.

Wed 26 Feb 2020 8:58 PM by easytoremember

Let Cleric gain stat from brain buff instead of messing with the damage delve of their spells

Wed 26 Feb 2020 9:19 PM by Ashenspire

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Wed 26 Feb 2020 8:58 PM
Let Cleric gain stat from brain buff instead of messing with the damage delve of their spells

Change the way a class interacts with a buff that would also make their other realm counterparts cry for the same thing, or just adjust a number a bit for one specific spell in one specific spec that isn't useful for anything but solo play. Hmm that's a tough one.

Fri 28 Feb 2020 8:06 AM by teiloh

I'd go for making Smite a power efficient deterrent line, giving the Smites high delves (5% higher than standard delve DPS/level) but keeping a lower range. This will punish/smite enemies for getting too close, but won't make Clerics offensive DD monsters

Baseline would be:
L50, 200d, 1350 range, 2.8s cast, 28 power

Spec would be:
L44, 230d, 1350 range, 3.0s cast, 25 power

Spec AOE:
L49, 185d, 1350 range, 400 radius, 25 power

Instant AOE DD: Scaling radius and reduced RUT per level.
L42, 200d, 350 radius, 10s CD, 28 power

For Mez, change the CD back to 30s.

For Self DA, triple the value or more.

Add another ability. Random ideas: a very brief casted AOE Silence, or a close-quarters AOE type spell, e.g. a high radius PBAE that hits 3-5 random targets, at most, within the area

Would be a solid, sturdy solo spec, bring some decent assist/utility/pet clears in group, and cover a major weakness of Alb's in RvR which is point/blank and AOE damage

Fri 13 Mar 2020 10:31 PM by Ambron

I think its funny how everyone compared cleric dmg output with shaman dmg output and nobody talks about the massive dmg output of nature druid.
AE root, Damage Shield, Single DoT and a furious pet - guys he is so overpowered! Please buff the smite-cleric, he is really too weak.

#pleasemakemyclassstronger

Sun 15 Mar 2020 6:28 AM by pollojack

I'm all for buffs on overlooked classes to make more things viable but isn't the cleric already viable and arguably the best duo in the game with a sorc?

Sun 15 Mar 2020 2:31 PM by Ambron

pollojack wrote: ↑
Sun 15 Mar 2020 6:28 AM
I'm all for buffs on overlooked classes to make more things viable but isn't the cleric already viable and arguably the best duo in the game with a sorc?

Yep or duo with the "Favorite of the Server" - Minstrel.

This suggestion is not a subjective suggestion to improve the gameplaye on the server it is just a "i want to play a smite cleric and rock with it with ease"-suggestion.

Wed 18 Mar 2020 5:13 AM by teiloh

Ambron wrote: ↑
Fri 13 Mar 2020 10:31 PM
I think its funny how everyone compared cleric dmg output with shaman dmg output and nobody talks about the massive dmg output of nature druid.
AE root, Damage Shield, Single DoT and a furious pet - guys he is so overpowered! Please buff the smite-cleric, he is really too weak.

#pleasemakemyclassstronger

I know you think you're clever but Cave has massive utility, CC and interrupts. Nature is lackluster but the roots and pets are good. Even then, Nature could use a few tweaks as well.

Fri 20 Mar 2020 1:47 AM by Ambron

teiloh wrote: I know you think you're clever but Cave has massive utility, CC and interrupts. Nature is lackluster but the roots and pets are good. Even then, Nature could use a few tweaks as well.

Dude, i have never said cave-shaman is not strong.

Do you guys think all of the healers have the same healing-power?
I help you: No they have not.
Shaman:
Base-Heal: 231
Spec-Heal: 348
Druid:
Base-Heal: 231
Spec-Heal: 667
Cleric:
Base-Heal: 231
Spec-Heal: 667

Next question: Why do you guys think shaman is leaking healing-power compared to druid and cleric?
Right, because he has more offensive-power.

Fri 20 Mar 2020 6:39 AM by Lollie

It's also because the shaman isn't the mirror of cleric/druid, the healers delves will be on par with them. If you look at warden/friars heals then they should be on par with shaman

Sat 21 Mar 2020 3:02 PM by Ambron

Lollie wrote: ↑
Fri 20 Mar 2020 6:39 AM
It's also because the shaman isn't the mirror of cleric/druid, the healers delves will be on par with them. If you look at warden/friars heals then they should be on par with shaman

Correct, so dont compare just one aspect (like dmg output).

What i agree with u guys is the range. It is just odd to have the DD-Range at 1350 while stun (and ae) is on a 1500 range. This should be edited to 1500 range.

Sat 21 Mar 2020 5:31 PM by Siouxsie

Smite spec line is fine. Clerics do plenty of damage with it, in fact it could be tuned down slightly.
Clerics are meant to heal, not DD. Having a high DD for them turns them into a tanky caster which is not what they're supposed to be.

Sat 21 Mar 2020 6:46 PM by Durzo

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Mar 2020 5:31 PM
Smite spec line is fine. Clerics do plenty of damage with it, in fact it could be tuned down slightly.
Clerics are meant to heal, not DD. Having a high DD for them turns them into a tanky caster which is not what they're supposed to be.

Okay then nerf PAC healer CC, they are meant to heal not CC.

Sat 21 Mar 2020 9:32 PM by Ambron

Durzo wrote: Okay then nerf PAC healer CC, they are meant to heal not CC.

Wrong. Healers meant to heal and CC. Clerics are meant to heal and buff. Shamans are meant to buff and damage.

That is the wonderful point of daoc : all classes r unique.

Sat 21 Mar 2020 11:32 PM by easytoremember

Ambron wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Mar 2020 9:32 PM
Durzo wrote: Okay then nerf PAC healer CC, they are meant to heal not CC.

Wrong. Healers meant to heal and CC. Clerics are meant to heal and buff. Shamans are meant to buff and damage.

That is the wonderful point of daoc : all classes r unique.

what's the purpose of smite then?

Sat 21 Mar 2020 11:55 PM by Ambron

easytoremember wrote: what's the purpose of smite then?

Whats the purpose for shamans mending skill ?

Would u say u can delete the smite skill because it is like it is at the moment ?! I guess clerics r kinda happy about stun and dd and even the pbae mezz just to get 1sec to get a headstart for running away.

Sun 22 Mar 2020 7:30 AM by Durzo

Ambron wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Mar 2020 9:32 PM
Durzo wrote: Okay then nerf PAC healer CC, they are meant to heal
Wrong. Healers meant to heal and CC. Clerics are meant to heal and buff. Shamans are meant to buff and damage.

That is the wonderful point of daoc : all classes r unique.

If you’re going to argue that alb healers aren’t just factually worse than mid or hib healers you’re delusional. We have OP classes, but our healers are lackluster.

Sun 22 Mar 2020 9:08 PM by Ambron

Cleric: Buff, Heal and sometimes they stun.
Druid: Buff, Heal and sometimes they root.

cant believe u wanna say that clerics are the worst healers by far out there... They r just healers. When u wanna play a caster, play a caster.

Mon 23 Mar 2020 7:06 AM by Durzo

Ambron wrote: ↑
Sun 22 Mar 2020 9:08 PM
Cleric: Buff, Heal and sometimes they stun.
Druid: Buff, Heal and sometimes they root.

cant believe u wanna say that clerics are the worst healers by far out there... They r just healers. When u wanna play a caster, play a caster.

Druid also has a pet

Mon 23 Mar 2020 4:29 PM by joshisanonymous

Honestly shocked that /serverinfo always shows such a huge number of clerics online. Back in the day, clerics were exceptionally difficult to find in RvR because they were seen as being good for nothing but heals, which for most people I guess is boring. Why would you play a cleric if you could go to Mid and play a healer or Hib and play a druid? I'm not sure if people just didn't understand how to make use out of smite in the past or if they just decided that they like Alb so much that they're willing to play the most boring of the three primary healers. If it's the latter, maybe they need a smite boost, but maybe it's the former?

Tue 24 Mar 2020 6:41 PM by easytoremember

Any class that gains from Acuity stat should gain from Acuity buff. Is pretty dumb that it's not the case

Cleric originally made use of Acuity too

Wed 25 Mar 2020 10:10 AM by teiloh

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Mar 2020 5:31 PM
Smite spec line is fine. Clerics do plenty of damage with it, in fact it could be tuned down slightly.
Clerics are meant to heal, not DD. Having a high DD for them turns them into a tanky caster which is not what they're supposed to be.

lol