More Feedback/Ineraction

Started 28 Jul 2019
by Tigerforce
in Suggestions
Noticed a lot of forums are being posted whether complaints, ideas/suggestions whatever the case is, and we hear nothing back from the Admins/Dev/Mods. Simple feedback like "we are looking into this" , "no" , "yes" , "Good idea" ect would be nice to see letting the community these entities are actively involved. Lots of forums seem to go unnoticed or addressed, leaving people who are taking the time to give feedback or input the feeling like they are wasting their time.
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:38 PM by florin
Sounds like you’re volunteering for community manager / organizer
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:53 PM by Moid
I see the same people dominating this forum, the poster above me is a classic example. These people flood threads with “discussion”. The developers need to spend more time eliciting feedback from the silent majority rather than reading this forum. When I read this forum all I see is florin post, sepplord post, excretusmaximum post, raunz post, etc.

That vocal minority is not going to help the game, they will destroy it.
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:59 PM by ExcretusMaximus
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:53 PM
When I read this forum all I see is florin post, sepplord post, excretusmaximum post, raunz post, etc.


When I read this forum all I see is Moid crying about everything.
Sun 28 Jul 2019 10:04 PM by florin
Every time I read the forum - Moid has forgotten his medication for his antisocial paranoid disorder
Sun 28 Jul 2019 10:09 PM by Moid
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:59 PM
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:53 PM
When I read this forum all I see is florin post, sepplord post, excretusmaximum post, raunz post, etc.


When I read this forum all I see is Moid crying about everything.
Total posts:

ExcretusMaximus (aka Mr. Logorrhea) = 254 posts (3.06 posts/day 0.33% of all posts)
Florin (aka Mr. LogorrheaMaximus) = 805 posts (1.04% of all posts / 2.22 post/day)
Modi = 79 ((0.10% of all posts / 0.42 posts per day)

Those are facts idiots. I swing by every few days and post here or there, more than the average player. You dopes will not stfu and apparently think quite highly of yourselves. Try letting a few other people voice an opinion every once in a while.
Sun 28 Jul 2019 10:50 PM by florin
Have an opinion - don’t be cancerous...and please please get help.
Sun 28 Jul 2019 11:06 PM by ExcretusMaximus
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 10:09 PM
apparently think quite highly of yourselves. Try letting a few other people voice an opinion every once in a while.


Oh, the irony.
Sun 28 Jul 2019 11:54 PM by Tigerforce
florin wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:38 PM
Sounds like you’re volunteering for community manager / organizer

Oh, How I would love for that power to be bestowed upon me. However, I would go crazy like Thanos and destroy this place.
Plus, me lack the propaar Engleesh grammor to wrote on all pages proparily.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 12:01 AM by Tigerforce
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:53 PM
I see the same people dominating this forum, the poster above me is a classic example. These people flood threads with “discussion”. The developers need to spend more time eliciting feedback from the silent majority rather than reading this forum. When I read this forum all I see is florin post, sepplord post, excretusmaximum post, raunz post, etc.

That vocal minority is not going to help the game, they will destroy it.

Idk if your post is directed at me or what, but the way I see it is this. If you are invited to someone's house (free daoc server to play) you are essentially a guest. Say you are there and using the toilet, it clogs. What do you do? Ask for assistance or for a plunger right? What would it feel like if you were ignored despite the issue being with their toilet in "their" house. I'm sure you would be in awe or some state of confusion of like why are you not doing anything about "Your" toilet? Even though you are the one offering to fix it. Or what if they had gone to the store or something without telling you, again what would you do? Obviously, try and fix it yourself by seeking answers (finding the plunger). The moral is that if you are going to open your (whatever) to guest or the public, take the time to socialize with them. We know they are not paid, have lives of their own. Again, my example are simple feedback messages as to let the people of the community know they are being heard and considered. People of a community wants a sense of belonging, not left in the shadows.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 12:54 AM by Moid
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 11:06 PM
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 10:09 PM
apparently think quite highly of yourselves. Try letting a few other people voice an opinion every once in a while.


Oh, the irony.
You think it’s ironic for me to call you out for your rabid over-posting here on this forum? Bizarre sense of irony but coming from someone like you not terribly surprising.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 1:10 AM by Moid
Tigerforce wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 12:01 AM
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:53 PM
I see the same people dominating this forum, the poster above me is a classic example. These people flood threads with “discussion”. The developers need to spend more time eliciting feedback from the silent majority rather than reading this forum. When I read this forum all I see is florin post, sepplord post, excretusmaximum post, raunz post, etc.

That vocal minority is not going to help the game, they will destroy it.

Idk if your post is directed at me or what, but the way I see it is this. If you are invited to someone's house (free daoc server to play) you are essentially a guest. Say you are there and using the toilet, it clogs. What do you do? Ask for assistance or for a plunger right? What would it feel like if you were ignored despite the issue being with their toilet in "their" house. I'm sure you would be in awe or some state of confusion of like why are you not doing anything about "Your" toilet? Even though you are the one offering to fix it. Or what if they had gone to the store or something without telling you, again what would you do? Obviously, try and fix it yourself by seeking answers (finding the plunger). The moral is that if you are going to open your (whatever) to guest or the public, take the time to socialize with them. We know they are not paid, have lives of their own. Again, my example are simple feedback messages as to let the people of the community know they are being heard and considered. People of a community wants a sense of belonging, not left in the shadows.
I thought my post was clear. The majority of posters on this forum are being drowned out by a vocal few. If the developers are reading this forum then they are getting a highly biased viewpoint dominated by loud-mouths such as the ones identified in my original reply to this thread.

I think there are better ways to determine the direction of the server if you choose to use player feedback as part of the process. I played DAoC from release and saw what happened to the official forums Mythic used, VN. Those forums became a cesspool of vocal cliques and the majority of opinions were drowned out by the vocal forum users. The VN forum even had stars so the more posts you made the more numerous stars you got beside your username which encouraged people to make even more posts. This forum seems to be headed in the same direction as the VN forum. At this time I think the developers will be making a mistake by giving the opinions on this forum any credence.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 1:28 AM by florin
I for one would love more interaction to actually have a community instead of having designated hall monitors stalking in the shadows and counting posts. That is beyond bizarre. Now only if you could find someone with people skills in a game that attracts personality disorders. I mean - how many other past times brings together mild mannered suburban millionaires like myself with basement dwelling meth heads? Truly it is a wonder.

Tigerforce to your point - the majority of news here is bad news and discord is stifled as well. We shall see in 4 weeks though.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 1:56 AM by gruenesschaf
One of the problems is that basically any answer to any kind of change request that is not just an obvious bug or obviously missing feature requires some internal communication beforehand to be on the same page, that takes some effort to take place which is usually not done for things that don't appear to have any traction / interest in the player base.

While I can't speak for more staff people, what you can be sure about is that every single post in ask the team, suggestions and rvr section is at the very least read by the same 3 people.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 2:23 AM by ExcretusMaximus
gruenesschaf wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 1:56 AM
One of the problems is that basically any answer to any kind of change request that is not just an obvious bug or obviously missing feature requires some internal communication beforehand to be on the same page, that takes some effort to take place which is usually not done for things that don't appear to have any traction / interest in the player base.

While I can't speak for more staff people, what you can be sure about is that every single post in ask the team, suggestions and rvr section is at the very least read by the same 3 people.


So ... confirmation that the squeaky wheel gets the kick!
Mon 29 Jul 2019 3:29 AM by Tigerforce
Moid wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 1:10 AM
Tigerforce wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 12:01 AM
Moid wrote:
Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:53 PM
I see the same people dominating this forum, the poster above me is a classic example. These people flood threads with “discussion”. The developers need to spend more time eliciting feedback from the silent majority rather than reading this forum. When I read this forum all I see is florin post, sepplord post, excretusmaximum post, raunz post, etc.

That vocal minority is not going to help the game, they will destroy it.

Idk if your post is directed at me or what, but the way I see it is this. If you are invited to someone's house (free daoc server to play) you are essentially a guest. Say you are there and using the toilet, it clogs. What do you do? Ask for assistance or for a plunger right? What would it feel like if you were ignored despite the issue being with their toilet in "their" house. I'm sure you would be in awe or some state of confusion of like why are you not doing anything about "Your" toilet? Even though you are the one offering to fix it. Or what if they had gone to the store or something without telling you, again what would you do? Obviously, try and fix it yourself by seeking answers (finding the plunger). The moral is that if you are going to open your (whatever) to guest or the public, take the time to socialize with them. We know they are not paid, have lives of their own. Again, my example are simple feedback messages as to let the people of the community know they are being heard and considered. People of a community wants a sense of belonging, not left in the shadows.
I thought my post was clear. The majority of posters on this forum are being drowned out by a vocal few. If the developers are reading this forum then they are getting a highly biased viewpoint dominated by loud-mouths such as the ones identified in my original reply to this thread.

I think there are better ways to determine the direction of the server if you choose to use player feedback as part of the process. I played DAoC from release and saw what happened to the official forums Mythic used, VN. Those forums became a cesspool of vocal cliques and the majority of opinions were drowned out by the vocal forum users. The VN forum even had stars so the more posts you made the more numerous stars you got beside your username which encouraged people to make even more posts. This forum seems to be headed in the same direction as the VN forum. At this time I think the developers will be making a mistake by giving the opinions on this forum any credence.

What would be better ways then a site committed to a game letting players give feedback on various topics, and allow interaction between developers?

VN failed due to bad administration. "cancerous" posts became funny, certain admins allowed things others wouldn't. Constant change of administration ect.. These are elements that lead to failure, just like it would any other business. Management is one of the world toughest jobs (to do well), and requires a great deal of time and effort. Especially if its free management, meaning they aren't being paid for off-time work to manage an element to this game. I'm sure it almost feels like a burden.

Are you a parent? If so then maybe you could understand it this way. If you have a child who is not supervised and continues bad behavior, how will he/she act? Bad right? How do we mitigate this type of behavior? Constant supervision and the presence of child being aware an authority figure is there to guide him/her from making the wrong choices. How does this apply to the forum? Simply when the community here knows forum restriction, post restriction, constant supervision is being enforced, then we can be assured the forums and community will prosper is a positive manner. People knowing or feeling like their posts are being seen or considered will make players feel a sense of worth to the addition to the game. As if they are part of the future changes to happen. When the community see that they can be a positive impact then they will more then likely "want" to participate.

The reason why so many games fail over time is that game dev are not sociologist or psychologist ect… they don't understand how the public works. They understand numbers but not people.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 3:32 AM by Tigerforce
gruenesschaf wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 1:56 AM
One of the problems is that basically any answer to any kind of change request that is not just an obvious bug or obviously missing feature requires some internal communication beforehand to be on the same page, that takes some effort to take place which is usually not done for things that don't appear to have any traction / interest in the player base.

While I can't speak for more staff people, what you can be sure about is that every single post in ask the team, suggestions and rvr section is at the very least read by the same 3 people.

This is what im talking abt. This is what I want. Thank you!

Not EVERY post I believe deserves responses, but there are some of those important ones that go by without anything and its just players vs players with devs/admins in the background reading the arguments over and over becoming cancerous or senseless. You guys have a voice within this community and should be used more. Even if its not what ppl want to here, simple presence and it being known you guys are there is good enough.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 4:29 AM by ExcretusMaximus
Moid wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 12:54 AM
You think it’s ironic for me to call you out for your rabid over-posting here on this forum? Bizarre sense of irony but coming from someone like you not terribly surprising.


I think you need to look up the meaning of the word, and then go back and read what I quoted, and maybe ... just maybe ... you'll get the point.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 5:13 AM by Moid
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 4:29 AM
Moid wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 12:54 AM
You think it’s ironic for me to call you out for your rabid over-posting here on this forum? Bizarre sense of irony but coming from someone like you not terribly surprising.


I think you need to look up the meaning of the word, and then go back and read what I quoted, and maybe ... just maybe ... you'll get the point.
I know the definition of the word, I also know someone who’s clueless when I see them. You have a very high opinion of yourself though so no amount of looking in the mirror will help you I’m afraid.

That’ll be enough tit for tat for me, I don’t feel the need to further pad my post count. I know you won’t stop however, and if it isn’t here it will be in some other thread, you’ve proven that. Happy spamming your dribble.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 5:35 AM by Moid
Tigerforce wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 3:29 AM
What would be better ways then a site committed to a game letting players give feedback on various topics, and allow interaction between developers?

VN failed due to bad administration. "cancerous" posts became funny, certain admins allowed things others wouldn't. Constant change of administration ect..
My personal opinion today is the same as it was back in the early 2000’s. You solicit feedback in game, maybe even give players a /suggestion command to submit suggestions while online. Something like that with the addition of in game polling would give the developers a shot at better insight into what the player base actually wants.

Then again I’ve noticed with extremely high frequency, players don’t actually know what they want and sometimes they ask for things they end up hating.

I think the foundation for a successful game is a singular vision by an individual or a small group. Such a vision can be guided by feedback but taken too far off course results in the decline of the game. As I personally understood Mark Jacobs original vision for DAoC, he wanted DAoC to be unlike EQ. To be less of a grind. To be more PvP focused. That’s exactly what I saw in DAoC at release. Shortly after SI came out the cries for more “content” began on VN. Then came ToA and suddenly DAoC was no longer the opposite of EQ, it was growing more like EQ.

So I think that the developers here need to decide on what their vision is, stick with it and allow only very modest changes to that vision guided by player feedback. You cannot be all things to all people and trying to will only result in complete failure so avoid that. Pick a niche and be the best in that arena. The suggestions would ideally come from in game feedback rather than some forum which most players don’t read.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 6:15 AM by ExcretusMaximus
Moid wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 5:13 AM
I know the definition of the word, I also know someone who’s clueless when I see them. You have a very high opinion of yourself though so no amount of looking in the mirror will help you I’m afraid.

That’ll be enough tit for tat for me, I don’t feel the need to further pad my post count. I know you won’t stop however, and if it isn’t here it will be in some other thread, you’ve proven that. Happy spamming your dribble.


Called it.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 6:25 AM by Tigerforce
Moid wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 5:35 AM
Tigerforce wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 3:29 AM
What would be better ways then a site committed to a game letting players give feedback on various topics, and allow interaction between developers?

VN failed due to bad administration. "cancerous" posts became funny, certain admins allowed things others wouldn't. Constant change of administration ect..
My personal opinion today is the same as it was back in the early 2000’s. You solicit feedback in game, maybe even give players a /suggestion command to submit suggestions while online. Something like that with the addition of in game polling would give the developers a shot at better insight into what the player base actually wants.

Then again I’ve noticed with extremely high frequency, players don’t actually know what they want and sometimes they ask for things they end up hating.

I think the foundation for a successful game is a singular vision by an individual or a small group. Such a vision can be guided by feedback but taken too far off course results in the decline of the game. As I personally understood Mark Jacobs original vision for DAoC, he wanted DAoC to be unlike EQ. To be less of a grind. To be more PvP focused. That’s exactly what I saw in DAoC at release. Shortly after SI came out the cries for more “content” began on VN. Then came ToA and suddenly DAoC was no longer the opposite of EQ, it was growing more like EQ.

So I think that the developers here need to decide on what their vision is, stick with it and allow only very modest changes to that vision guided by player feedback. You cannot be all things to all people and trying to will only result in complete failure so avoid that. Pick a niche and be the best in that arena. The suggestions would ideally come from in game feedback rather than some forum which most players don’t read.

well said, but please remember my intent is not for admins to accept each individuals idea, and figure out implementations. Rather simply let the public know they are heard. Keep forums moderated, post feedback, (whether good or bad), keep sites updated as well as forums. Many textual based information is grossly outdated, leaving new players confused or returned players lost and catching up through individual player experiences. This leads to highly inaccurate information and rumors spreading.
Mon 29 Jul 2019 6:35 AM by gruenesschaf
Tigerforce wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 6:25 AM
Many textual based information is grossly outdated, leaving new players confused or returned players lost and catching up through individual player experiences. This leads to highly inaccurate information and rumors spreading.

That is for the authentic classic experience, 2 second cast speed hard cap anyone?
Mon 29 Jul 2019 8:33 AM by Uthred
This thread is great. Started as a discission why not all threads get feedback from the staff and ended as a he said/she said fight between some players. It is kind of ironic to see.

Speaking for myself, this behaviour keeps me in most cases from giving feedback as it gets very annoying to read all this. Another reason to not answer is when the same topic gets new threads over and over again (realm switch timer, duration of pots, to name just a few).

Believe it or not, but even after 2 years i still try to read every post evey day on the forum (same for discord also). Even if it often really hurts to read some things.
Tue 30 Jul 2019 6:27 AM by Tigerforce
Uthred wrote:
Mon 29 Jul 2019 8:33 AM
This thread is great. Started as a discission why not all threads get feedback from the staff and ended as a he said/she said fight between some players. It is kind of ironic to see.

Speaking for myself, this behaviour keeps me in most cases from giving feedback as it gets very annoying to read all this. Another reason to not answer is when the same topic gets new threads over and over again (realm switch timer, duration of pots, to name just a few).

Believe it or not, but even after 2 years i still try to read every post evey day on the forum (same for discord also). Even if it often really hurts to read some things.

It sucks to be honest, because people like you could have valuable input, but refrain form posting it due to lash back or drama amongst the community that stirs up and just goes in the wrong direction. Many opportunities such as this I feel go by, and over time will weaken the community., thus ending the shard.

Like I said before to keep a game running is more then just content, there is a socialization aspect to it that has to be met, But thank you for your input and observation Uhtred, Son of Bebbenburgh
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