Lurikeen Ranger Questions - Phoenix Freeshard

Hey, just curious if as a Lurikeen I should use piercing weapons or if blades would be better due to resists from other realms? I know being high dex likely gimps the blades, but I wanted to know if the trade off was worth it?

Fri 1 Mar 2019 8:12 PM by semadin

I think that depends on your spec focus.

If you are focusing on archery, then just go pierce, as you'll want to squeeze out every bit of weaponskill possible with less points in the weapon lines.

If you are eschewing archery for more melee, and looking to fight mostly with assassins, blades is still going to be what you want. Pierce on leather is a sad day.

Also have a read here: https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=17745#p17745

Fri 1 Mar 2019 9:45 PM by milehighblazer

Awesome, thank you for the response. Yea, I intend to focus mainly on archery, so I suppose pierce it is!

Sat 2 Mar 2019 3:44 AM by Sepphiroth75

Seriously i dont think it matters on this server. I am winning fights vs sbs/infs with pierce

Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:38 AM by Cadebrennus

milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:56 PM
Hey, just curious if as a Lurikeen I should use piercing weapons or if blades would be better due to resists from other realms? I know being high dex likely gimps the blades, but I wanted to know if the trade off was worth it?

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=17745

Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:43 AM by milehighblazer

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:38 AM
milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:56 PM
Hey, just curious if as a Lurikeen I should use piercing weapons or if blades would be better due to resists from other realms? I know being high dex likely gimps the blades, but I wanted to know if the trade off was worth it?

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=17745

I appreciate the guide, i'm still unsure on if the race affects all this. If I wasn't intent on going pure archer, would you still suggest blades even though my STR is going to be so much lower than a Celt/Shar? Is there a certain point where you just say go for pierce? I'd ideally like to focus on Archery as I duo with my brother who plays a NS, though I would like to maximize my melee ability when needed. Thanks again.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:29 AM by Cadebrennus

milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:43 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:38 AM
milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:56 PM
Hey, just curious if as a Lurikeen I should use piercing weapons or if blades would be better due to resists from other realms? I know being high dex likely gimps the blades, but I wanted to know if the trade off was worth it?

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=17745

I appreciate the guide, i'm still unsure on if the race affects all this. If I wasn't intent on going pure archer, would you still suggest blades even though my STR is going to be so much lower than a Celt/Shar? Is there a certain point where you just say go for pierce? I'd ideally like to focus on Archery as I duo with my brother who plays a NS, though I would like to maximize my melee ability when needed. Thanks again.

My recommendation is go hybrid with Blades. It will even work with a Lurikeen if you have your heart set on a Lurikeen, otherwise go Celt or Shar. The 39 Blades style is a must when fighting other meleers. If you go higher Archery (up to 40) then I would recommend Pierce if you can't get 39 Blades, and only use melee to break away for more shots. However you mentioned that you wanted to be at least decent in melee so that brings us back to Blades. There's another thing: Pathfinding just isn't that good on this server so you might want to adjust from what is currently written in the guide. After I do some field testing (aka RvR) I will have some better reports on what Pathfinding should be with various builds.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 12:48 PM by Niget

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:29 AM
milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:43 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:38 AM
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=17745

I appreciate the guide, i'm still unsure on if the race affects all this. If I wasn't intent on going pure archer, would you still suggest blades even though my STR is going to be so much lower than a Celt/Shar? Is there a certain point where you just say go for pierce? I'd ideally like to focus on Archery as I duo with my brother who plays a NS, though I would like to maximize my melee ability when needed. Thanks again.

My recommendation is go hybrid with Blades. It will even work with a Lurikeen if you have your heart set on a Lurikeen, otherwise go Celt or Shar. The 39 Blades style is a must when fighting other meleers. If you go higher Archery (up to 40) then I would recommend Pierce if you can't get 39 Blades, and only use melee to break away for more shots. However you mentioned that you wanted to be at least decent in melee so that brings us back to Blades. There's another thing: Pathfinding just isn't that good on this server so you might want to adjust from what is currently written in the guide. After I do some field testing (aka RvR) I will have some better reports on what Pathfinding should be with various builds.

I have to disagree with the pf thing. I run 46 and it is pretty good for some things. If you run blades you can get the 39 str buff and have 126 str buff vs 101 pot base and charge. Da is good! 40+ damage when both hands. 42 af buff is as good if not better than a charge.
But dex/qui is gimp. 48 delve for 48 spec is too weak. It should be 62 delve or higher like all other self buff end delves.
High pf is great for blades! 286 str with pf str buff and str/con charge!
I lose stealth for my spec though. But it doesn't hurt the crap detection range so it works lol.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:13 PM by waffel

I do Lurikeen with 10 dex quick con:
45 stealth (higher move speed)
50 bow (max damage)
36 PF (highest DA I can afford with rest of points)
Rest in pierce and CD

I’m tempted with MP 5.5 bow, Buff pots, 75 dex/quick charge. RAs in falcon eye, aug dex, purge 2, LW, tireless. I’m having an absolute blast. Bow hits like a tank and I just use melee to pop stealthers near zergs/groups and let them handle it.

45 stealth is great since I move faster than every other stealther and with RAs my bow spec is 65.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:32 PM by milehighblazer

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:29 AM
milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:43 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:38 AM
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=17745

I appreciate the guide, i'm still unsure on if the race affects all this. If I wasn't intent on going pure archer, would you still suggest blades even though my STR is going to be so much lower than a Celt/Shar? Is there a certain point where you just say go for pierce? I'd ideally like to focus on Archery as I duo with my brother who plays a NS, though I would like to maximize my melee ability when needed. Thanks again.

My recommendation is go hybrid with Blades. It will even work with a Lurikeen if you have your heart set on a Lurikeen, otherwise go Celt or Shar. The 39 Blades style is a must when fighting other meleers. If you go higher Archery (up to 40) then I would recommend Pierce if you can't get 39 Blades, and only use melee to break away for more shots. However you mentioned that you wanted to be at least decent in melee so that brings us back to Blades. There's another thing: Pathfinding just isn't that good on this server so you might want to adjust from what is currently written in the guide. After I do some field testing (aka RvR) I will have some better reports on what Pathfinding should be with various builds.

So would a template like this be reasonable?

Stealth - 45
Blades - 39
CD - 18
Archery - 45
PF - 8

I was using the Character Planner and that's what I came up with.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:44 PM by semadin

waffel wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:13 PM
I do Lurikeen with 10 dex quick con:
45 stealth (higher move speed)
50 bow (max damage)
36 PF (highest DA I can afford with rest of points)
Rest in pierce and CD

I’m tempted with MP 5.5 bow, Buff pots, 75 dex/quick charge. RAs in falcon eye, aug dex, purge 2, LW, tireless. I’m having an absolute blast. Bow hits like a tank and I just use melee to pop stealthers near zergs/groups and let them handle it.

45 stealth is great since I move faster than every other stealther and with RAs my bow spec is 65.

what kind of numbers do you see on your damage? I couldn't really track much of a benefit against players going above 50/51 composite bow.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 6:51 PM by noflex

milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:32 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:29 AM
milehighblazer wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:43 AM
I appreciate the guide, i'm still unsure on if the race affects all this. If I wasn't intent on going pure archer, would you still suggest blades even though my STR is going to be so much lower than a Celt/Shar? Is there a certain point where you just say go for pierce? I'd ideally like to focus on Archery as I duo with my brother who plays a NS, though I would like to maximize my melee ability when needed. Thanks again.

My recommendation is go hybrid with Blades. It will even work with a Lurikeen if you have your heart set on a Lurikeen, otherwise go Celt or Shar. The 39 Blades style is a must when fighting other meleers. If you go higher Archery (up to 40) then I would recommend Pierce if you can't get 39 Blades, and only use melee to break away for more shots. However you mentioned that you wanted to be at least decent in melee so that brings us back to Blades. There's another thing: Pathfinding just isn't that good on this server so you might want to adjust from what is currently written in the guide. After I do some field testing (aka RvR) I will have some better reports on what Pathfinding should be with various builds.

So would a template like this be reasonable?

Stealth - 45
Blades - 39
CD - 18
Archery - 45
PF - 8

I was using the Character Planner and that's what I came up with.

That’s a good spec if your gonna run charges and pots, you’ll have fun with it for sure

For me I was
36 stealth
34 pierce
29 CD
49 bow
Rest in PF

It was fun but recharging is getting expensive and I hate to farm for plat so I just respec to this

36 stealth
25 pierce
11 CD
40 bow
48 PF (d/q delves for 60)

Higher dmg add helps offset things, when fights turn to melee I attack with diamondback with backup style of like black widow chain and just hope I get a stun off to get some bow shots in. (Which usually happens at least once in a fight due to being a luri with high dex and cap quick)

Higher stealth seems fun tho but I dunno. I know some with 48pf, 40 stealth, 45 bow, rest pierce and they do pretty good just have no chance in melee

Sun 3 Mar 2019 1:27 AM by waffel

noflex wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 6:51 PM
That’s a good spec if your gonna run charges and pots, you’ll have fun with it for sure

For me I was
36 stealth
34 pierce
29 CD
49 bow
Rest in PF

It was fun but recharging is getting expensive and I hate to farm for plat so I just respec to this

36 stealth
25 pierce
11 CD
40 bow
48 PF (d/q delves for 60)

Higher dmg add helps offset things, when fights turn to melee I attack with diamondback with backup style of like black widow chain and just hope I get a stun off to get some bow shots in. (Which usually happens at least once in a fight due to being a luri with high dex and cap quick)

Higher stealth seems fun tho but I dunno. I know some with 48pf, 40 stealth, 45 bow, rest pierce and they do pretty good just have no chance in melee

What does your dex/quick buff hit for? It should be higher than the delve.

Sun 3 Mar 2019 6:54 AM by noflex

waffel wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 1:27 AM
noflex wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 6:51 PM
That’s a good spec if your gonna run charges and pots, you’ll have fun with it for sure

For me I was
36 stealth
34 pierce
29 CD
49 bow
Rest in PF

It was fun but recharging is getting expensive and I hate to farm for plat so I just respec to this

36 stealth
25 pierce
11 CD
40 bow
48 PF (d/q delves for 60)

Higher dmg add helps offset things, when fights turn to melee I attack with diamondback with backup style of like black widow chain and just hope I get a stun off to get some bow shots in. (Which usually happens at least once in a fight due to being a luri with high dex and cap quick)

Higher stealth seems fun tho but I dunno. I know some with 48pf, 40 stealth, 45 bow, rest pierce and they do pretty good just have no chance in melee

What does your dex/quick buff hit for? It should be higher than the delve.

stats say red is 48 but it delves for 60

Mon 4 Mar 2019 5:32 PM by Dacht

The spec I am running around with at 4L2 is:

44 CD
37 Stealth will be lowering this to 36 to accommodate RR
36 PF
34 Pierce
14 Archery

Here is what I've learned:

1. 14 Archery is nearly as effective as 35 Archery was. I run a 4.7 speed bow, my hit frequency is just as good and my damage is still good enough to contribute. I run with another ranger who has 45 archery. He hits harder than I do, but in terms of viability and usefulness of the bow, the difference is not as great as it should be. Compounding this is the fact that my melee FAR outpaces his.

2. In melee, I am as formidable as the resources I can/will expend on a fight. With purge 2 and IP 2 up with full buff pots and a heal pot I can beat most stealthers, though is I eat a perf/CD I still lose a good bit of the time. I believe running spec charges, using DA charges, and a DD charge as a finisher is probably the only way to compete with the very best assassins.

3. PFs value is tied to a given players resources. Players wealthy and active enough to run charges and pots can replace the need for all but the speed shout. Casual players should spec high PF to help close the gap. High PF and running with a solid partner or team is perfectly playable and fun.

4. Until you are fully temped out, you should not overthink spec.

5. IP 2 at a minimum is necessary.

6. Stealth at a comp of 50 increased my viability against other stealthers by enabling me to avoid perfs more often. This is a style thing. I actively hunt stealthers and want to move around in high traffic areas. If you use cover and terrain a little more or have super reflexes you can get away with lower stealth.

Wed 6 Mar 2019 1:50 PM by Giorgione88

I think a good spec if you wanna do rps Leeching in the zerg etc is to go
40 archery
46 pathfinding ( ADdamage is really strong and it makes the difference more than incresing archery )
18 celtic dual (for side stun)
26 piercing ( I prefer piercing than blades because, being lurikeen and being dex first ranger stat, it is the weapon with more weapon skill and you got more chance to Hit an evade stun or a side one, if the enemy purges it you can still use back Celtic dual style or side piercing style to slow the enemy and kite away) .
In melee you don't have any chance against assassins unless they are alrdy at 30% life.
35 stealth ( to have it capped at 5L)

Sat 9 Mar 2019 1:19 PM by Prymer

Has no one tried:

35 Archery
39 Blades
40 PF (+52 dex/qui)
35 stealth
19 CD

Decent range, good blades styles, good buffs from PF and side stun from CD.