whats up with ppl

Started 26 Feb 2019
by cocio_dk
in RvR
what is wrong with ppl. is it really all u see RPs . why do i see ppl adding on 1v1 why do fgs trample down solo or duos. where is the honor, where is the skill
Tue 26 Feb 2019 1:53 PM by Cami
Why are people just standing there when I get owned by an assassin? Why do solo people add every 8v8? Where is the honor, where is the skill, where are the question marks?
Tue 26 Feb 2019 1:58 PM by lukedeavenport
When I'm running solo to the active zone I frequently get popped by solo or duo stealthers with some insane stun/poison combo and die without a fight. Which is fair, not complaining.

But when I see a 1v1 or duo fight going on one is almost always stealther. So it's prime time for pay back.
Tue 26 Feb 2019 2:00 PM by Dominus
lots of stealthers, and I've noticed some new zerg stealther groups now.. Which if you played at the end of beta you recall just how many stealthers there were.

"you fail to stealth, too many stealthers in RvR!"
Tue 26 Feb 2019 2:20 PM by Luluko
assassins have vanish they dont need to cry, I prlly have wasted purge/ip twice lately just to see the stealther vanish at 10%
Tue 26 Feb 2019 3:13 PM by Anaethema
Cami wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 1:53 PM
where are the question marks?

LOL - thanks for this morning's entertainment!
Tue 26 Feb 2019 4:28 PM by Ayoli
Dominus wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 2:00 PM
lots of stealthers, and I've noticed some new zerg stealther groups now.. Which if you played at the end of beta you recall just how many stealthers there were.

"you fail to stealth, too many stealthers in RvR!"

I am wondering if you had put into your thoughts that there are generaly a lot of people in the rvr zone and people playing on this server. So I think it is logical that there are also more then 10 stealthers around. Do you think there are more than above the average stealthers around compared to the server population? I don't know - I am just asking. Stealthers are looking also for the same hot spots and best places to get rps. I don't think that they are always grouped. They add often other fights like every other class.

But I agree to vanish... it is to strong.
Tue 26 Feb 2019 4:57 PM by Snoogy
I more or less have retired my ranger because of assassins and vanish. Leveling an Eldy and will be playing my bard more. I will add a pos stealthier at literally any opportunity.

Vanish is a trash skill for trash players
Tue 26 Feb 2019 5:29 PM by defiasbandit
The 8 mans always add on 1v1s. Everytime.
Tue 26 Feb 2019 11:29 PM by Stimmed
I think adding is getting much worse. Stealther wise. Mainly because 3-4 weeks ago only ppl that played daoc earlier etc and wanted 1v1s or 8v8s got done quick. Now your seeing the influx of slower casuals that dont care about that (which is fine play how you want) so you see alot more steather zergs and adds etc. I just keep a mental note who I try not to jump there is honestly only 2 NS and maybe 2 SBS on that list for me currently. The rest if its a good fight or I know the alb dont want help I wont jump in otherwise I'm going in.
Tue 26 Feb 2019 11:36 PM by phixion
The Stealther game is pretty much dead thanks to the new flag porting system.

And yeah, walking in to stealth zergs is getting tiring for sure.

For me, on this server as a "quite" successful player, I find more things annoying on this server than I find myself having fun.

The zerg attitude that's overtaken this game and server is like a cancer.
Tue 26 Feb 2019 11:51 PM by florin
Porting sucks but the stealther game is not dead. Adapt and stop this QQ. you can still camp pks, most of the time alb doesn’t even activate the porting.
Tue 26 Feb 2019 11:52 PM by Patron
Whats up with ppl?
They are playing daoc.

Why you expect any honor?
This is RvR, not Hellokitty Online.

Maybe i let a gray alive, depend on situation.
But do not expect any peace when u are 35+.

I play for my pleasure, not for the pleasure of my enemies. When our ways cross, one of us going down. Thats all about DAoC.

And for those mimimi antizergs:
DAoC is about Realm vs. Realm and what daoc makes special. I love it and dont want miss it.
Ofc some competitive 8vs8 is nice and i like it, but not a reason to tell others how to play, nor a excuse for bad manners.

Casuals > 1337
Tue 26 Feb 2019 11:59 PM by florin
Snoogy wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 4:57 PM
I more or less have retired my ranger because of assassins and vanish. Leveling an Eldy and will be playing my bard more. I will add a pos stealthier at literally any opportunity.

Vanish is a trash skill for trash players

Oh oh oh

You shoulda gone melee
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:08 AM by florin
There were several know it alls who predicted there would not be many stealthers. Well guess what, I predicted there would be lots and for good reason. With these new tasks, we will shed some of the lazy pk camping dead weight and add more to our ranks. Why? Because no one wants to get zerged but we love to zerg others. So bring on the 4 infs, 2 scout, 2 minstrel groups and let loose the frogs of war!

Ps

Animist, bonedancers, rangers never get a pass regardless of level
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:12 AM by Patron
Even i would like to see a 8vs8 arena where the 8vs8 can meet.
Ofc with reduced or no rpgain.
Cause its not RvR
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:16 AM by genchaos9
Realm versus Realm.

If you want 1 vs 1 go play Mortal Kombat or something.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:39 AM by Fjordin
I have also noticed that there are no end of people in this game who feel its their duty to tell you how to play the game.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:27 AM by dbeattie71
Snoogy wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 4:57 PM
I more or less have retired my ranger because of assassins and vanish. Leveling an Eldy and will be playing my bard more. I will add a pos stealthier at literally any opportunity.

Vanish is a trash skill for trash players

I don’t have vanish, I go down with the ship, plus it’s a waste of points imo.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 6:21 AM by Tillbeast
DAoC is RvR. Everyone vs everyone who is red to them. You call it adding I call it assisting. It also makes tactical sense to help a realm mate. As a hunter if I see a shadowblade fighting an enemy assassin the last thing I need is the shadowblade to lose and leave either an infiltrator or nightshade in my vicinity as I have zero defence vs them. Also standing by and watching an enemy kill a realm mate is cross realming as you have assisted the enemy by doing nothing when you could have helped. Its called realm pride and the original servers declined once this was lost and players became more interested in their holy 1 vs 1 or 8 vs 8.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 6:21 AM by joshisanonymous
I really don't want to play an arena game. That predictable crap is boring. I enjoy a good 1v1 or 1vMore, but if any Mids want to add on my fights, please feel free.

It's pretty relieving to hear people complain about zergs, BTW, because without casual zergs, the server spirals into an 8v8 circle jerk between a handful of l33t guilds that no one is invited to.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 6:47 AM by Frieza
The biggest voice to the Dev's comes from here and discord.

The problem is, most of the people on here are the stealthers who like 1v1.

However the vast majority of players like zerging more.

As the above poster said, if you limit zergs, eventually youll onyl have 8v8 and you wont even be invited to that because youre not part of their "crew".

So if you die to a zerg....boo hoo, it takes 5 seconds to get back out to action and costs you nothing.....
Wed 27 Feb 2019 7:27 AM by dirtyblade
I solo back in the day several years... i tried not to add on fights etc... but now I just dont care, its realm war.

If i find 1 v 1 awesome

If i get added, so what... more challenging.

If full groups run you over, oh well

There is plenty of action so see you out there...

The leetists.... stop being a twat and play for fun
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:03 AM by Durgrim
when porting to a PvP area, the world is black and white. There are only friends and enemies. Friends will get a helping hand, enemies will be attacked.
I couldn't care less being farmed over and over by the RR7/8 group of Hibs - it belongs to the game and I accepted being killed when porting to the Zone.
Get over it.
my only philosophy is not to kill greys.
Yesterday I fought again in Forest Sauvage and luckily was able to kill a couple of farmers at the sprites before their assasins hunted me down.
I love this type of gameplay , you can see the other side socializing and actually think about a situation. I did not care being killed by 3 assasins together searching for me. I accepted all this long before - actually when I installed daoc

So I truly do not understand all this whining and complaining here. But there is hope. There are a couple of solutions to your problems:

For those who don't like mass-PvP and zerging:
Deinstall the game, you will NOT get happy and satisfied on Phoenix - ever - your 8on8 is an old, wet Uthgard-Elitist-Dream which will never come true here.

For those who don't like the fast XP here:
/xp off

For those who don't like the gain of Arrppeees with tasks:
/rp off

For those who don't like porting into the FZ/Task Zone:
Go to portal keep and run - you will do indeed have the time to have a good conversation with your guild until you arrive at the hot spots.

For all those perma-afk groupmates with the 'wife-aggro' excuse:
Think about the magic basket: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQgDwA0BNU
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:42 AM by Lollie
Patron wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:12 AM
Even i would like to see a 8vs8 arena where the 8vs8 can meet.
Ofc with reduced or no rpgain.
Cause its not RvR

This isn't a bad idea, I'd love to see how many of the 8v8 complainers would use it. I get the feeling it wouldn't be many.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:57 AM by Sepplord
Lollie wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:42 AM
Patron wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:12 AM
Even i would like to see a 8vs8 arena where the 8vs8 can meet.
Ofc with reduced or no rpgain.
Cause its not RvR

This isn't a bad idea, I'd love to see how many of the 8v8 complainers would use it. I get the feeling it wouldn't be many.

isn't the torunament NPC already ingame? Don't know if functional or not, but i don't think putting work into it, just to prove a point (that it won't get used) is a good use of dev-ressources
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:57 AM by Mac
cocio_dk wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 1:25 PM
what is wrong with ppl. is it really all u see RPs . why do i see ppl adding on 1v1 why do fgs trample down solo or duos. where is the honor, where is the skill

This version of DAoC isn't about honor OR skill. It's an all casual all the time easy version of clasic DAoC. Easy to level, easy to gear up, and easy to get RPs.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:02 AM by Ceen
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:57 AM
cocio_dk wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 1:25 PM
what is wrong with ppl. is it really all u see RPs . why do i see ppl adding on 1v1 why do fgs trample down solo or duos. where is the honor, where is the skill

This version of DAoC isn't about honor OR skill. It's an all casual all the time easy version of clasic DAoC. Easy to level, easy to gear up, and easy to get RPs.
No white knights anymore?
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:36 AM by Mac
Ceen wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:02 AM
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:57 AM
This version of DAoC isn't about honor OR skill. It's an all casual all the time easy version of clasic DAoC. Easy to level, easy to gear up, and easy to get RPs.
No white knights anymore?

I think the staff made a decision to appeal to casual players cause there's lot's of them out there. DAoC is a game that's only fun when lots of people are playing, so IMO, staff made good decisions to appeal to the widest audience. All wise decisions, we'll have to see if it's still appealing after a few weeks.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:56 AM by Durgrim
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:36 AM
Ceen wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:02 AM
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:57 AM
This version of DAoC isn't about honor OR skill. It's an all casual all the time easy version of clasic DAoC. Easy to level, easy to gear up, and easy to get RPs.
No white knights anymore?

I think the staff made a decision to appeal to casual players cause there's lot's of them out there. DAoC is a game that's only fun when lots of people are playing, so IMO, staff made good decisions to appeal to the widest audience. All wise decisions, we'll have to see if it's still appealing after a few weeks.

Leaving elitists with boreout syndrome leads to subpar ppl being the new elite you know: The King is dead! Long live the King!
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:00 AM by Mac
Durgrim wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:56 AM
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:36 AM
I think the staff made a decision to appeal to casual players cause there's lot's of them out there. DAoC is a game that's only fun when lots of people are playing, so IMO, staff made good decisions to appeal to the widest audience. All wise decisions, we'll have to see if it's still appealing after a few weeks.

Leaving elitists with boreout syndrome leads to subpar ppl being the new elite you know: The King is dead! Long live the King!

Becoming the New King of the Hill after the elites have quit is a bit like winning the special Olympics, no?
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:36 AM by Sepplord
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:00 AM
Durgrim wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:56 AM
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:36 AM
I think the staff made a decision to appeal to casual players cause there's lot's of them out there. DAoC is a game that's only fun when lots of people are playing, so IMO, staff made good decisions to appeal to the widest audience. All wise decisions, we'll have to see if it's still appealing after a few weeks.

Leaving elitists with boreout syndrome leads to subpar ppl being the new elite you know: The King is dead! Long live the King!

Becoming the New King of the Hill after the elites have quit is a bit like winning the special Olympics, no?
Are you saying winners of the special olympics are not outstanding athletes?

TBF though, there is a reason that sports have different leagues for loads of people. There is not only one league for each sport, but lesser leagues for lower skilled prossionals, semi-professionals, hobby-athletes and casuals. Having them all compete on the same playing field doesn't make sense for sports and kills fun for everyone that wants to compete on similar footings.

DAoC isn't about similar footings though so comparing it to high competitive environments will always lead to people bending the analogy to their likings.


In the end, if a high population is your goal, you appeal to the casual mass and not to the 1%...that's a fact. The question is though: is population really the main-target of the Staff or is it just one factor that is just as important as others.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:20 PM by Durgrim
Sepplord wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:36 AM
Mac wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:00 AM
Durgrim wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:56 AM
Leaving elitists with boreout syndrome leads to subpar ppl being the new elite you know: The King is dead! Long live the King!

Becoming the New King of the Hill after the elites have quit is a bit like winning the special Olympics, no?
Are you saying winners of the special olympics are not outstanding athletes?

TBF though, there is a reason that sports have different leagues for loads of people. There is not only one league for each sport, but lesser leagues for lower skilled prossionals, semi-professionals, hobby-athletes and casuals. Having them all compete on the same playing field doesn't make sense for sports and kills fun for everyone that wants to compete on similar footings.

DAoC isn't about similar footings though so comparing it to high competitive environments will always lead to people bending the analogy to their likings.


In the end, if a high population is your goal, you appeal to the casual mass and not to the 1%...that's a fact. The question is though: is population really the main-target of the Staff or is it just one factor that is just as important as others.

precisely.
to your question, mainly I think the staff wants to realize their own vision. And we, as community, have the opportunity to enjoy their vision.
We may ask for things, but we should not, no let me rephrase that, we must not charge their decisions. it is their bbq. Waving with the 'empty-server' sign would, if I was realizing my server dream, not bother me at all since I am not financially reluctant to this thing. They do this in their sparetime beside playing on their toons.
This is what most do forget about...the more suggestions and change demands I read the more grumpy I'd get as Staff.
There is a difference between 'Howdy folks, would you consider or think about having XX increased a bit?' and
'stop the portals into the FZ now ffs!!!111elf'
Wed 27 Feb 2019 1:05 PM by Sepplord
Durgrim wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:20 PM
This is what most do forget about...the more suggestions and change demands I read the more grumpy I'd get as Staff.
There is a difference between 'Howdy folks, would you consider or think about having XX increased a bit?' and
'stop the portals into the FZ now ffs!!!111elf'


Just want to stress this part.

And to people thinking it's whiteknighting, bootlicking, etc... It's not, it's just that we won't have a server without staff. And we won't have a good server with angry staff. You can already see a change in tone of some staff-members post on this forum (and i don't blame that staffmember at all for it). The last thing we want is them stopping to read all our feedbacks. Bonus is, the more constructive your feedback is, the more likely is that they will listen to it.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:01 PM by DinoTriz
I help my team mates when they're in danger. Because I'm a hardcore nationalist. Midgard First.

Now if it's a clear 1 vs 1 duel, I'll watch and stay out of it.

But so far none of that has happened in front of me.

If you're a stealther complaining, then maybe you should wait until your target is isolated until you attack them.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 7:53 PM by secrain
If it's red it's dead, unless you're on the island.

Oh right, no island here.

I guess you're just [fluffy kittens] if you're red.
Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:21 PM by Expfighter
dbeattie71 wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:27 AM
Snoogy wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 4:57 PM
I more or less have retired my ranger because of assassins and vanish. Leveling an Eldy and will be playing my bard more. I will add a pos stealthier at literally any opportunity.

Vanish is a trash skill for trash players

I don’t have vanish, I go down with the ship, plus it’s a waste of points imo.
then you are [edit - Personal Attack] just donating rps, vanish is good to pop an animist in a group and then vanish away! or good to have a 1v1 and then BAM a fg shows up and you can vanish away to fight another day!

it's part of the game, no different than purge or IP or anything else!
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:49 PM by dbeattie71
Expfighter wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
dbeattie71 wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:27 AM
Snoogy wrote:
Tue 26 Feb 2019 4:57 PM
I more or less have retired my ranger because of assassins and vanish. Leveling an Eldy and will be playing my bard more. I will add a pos stealthier at literally any opportunity.

Vanish is a trash skill for trash players

I don’t have vanish, I go down with the ship, plus it’s a waste of points imo.
then you are [edit - Personal Attack] just donating rps, vanish is good to pop an animist in a group and then vanish away! or good to have a 1v1 and then BAM a fg shows up and you can vanish away to fight another day!

it's part of the game, no different than purge or IP or anything else!

Heh, I'm being stupid by having better passives, ok. I didn't say I always go down with the ship, I choose targets carefully. What's nuts is swinging once on a SB with 100% health and having them vanish, a few times I was unbuffed, they would have probably won easy. But yeah, I'd rather spend the points elsewhere, even if it makes me 'stupid'.

edit: I don't have purge either
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:09 PM by Expfighter
dbeattie71 wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:49 PM
Expfighter wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
dbeattie71 wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:27 AM
I don’t have vanish, I go down with the ship, plus it’s a waste of points imo.
then you are [edit - Personal Attack] just donating rps, vanish is good to pop an animist in a group and then vanish away! or good to have a 1v1 and then BAM a fg shows up and you can vanish away to fight another day!

it's part of the game, no different than purge or IP or anything else!

Heh, I'm being stupid by having better passives, ok. I didn't say I always go down with the ship, I choose targets carefully. What's nuts is swinging once on a SB with 100% health and having them vanish, a few times I was unbuffed, they would have probably won easy. But yeah, I'd rather spend the points elsewhere, even if it makes me 'stupid'.

edit: I don't have purge either

passives aren't going to save you from a fg, vanish will! but your playstyle not mine.

Also sometimes my buffs drop in the middle of a fight and i get jumped before the minute to rebuff is up!
Thu 28 Feb 2019 12:36 AM by dbeattie71
Expfighter wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:09 PM
dbeattie71 wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:49 PM
Expfighter wrote:
Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
then you are[edit - Personal Attack] just donating rps, vanish is good to pop an animist in a group and then vanish away! or good to have a 1v1 and then BAM a fg shows up and you can vanish away to fight another day!

it's part of the game, no different than purge or IP or anything else!

Heh, I'm being stupid by having better passives, ok. I didn't say I always go down with the ship, I choose targets carefully. What's nuts is swinging once on a SB with 100% health and having them vanish, a few times I was unbuffed, they would have probably won easy. But yeah, I'd rather spend the points elsewhere, even if it makes me 'stupid'.

edit: I don't have purge either

passives aren't going to save you from a fg, vanish will! but your playstyle not mine.

Also sometimes my buffs drop in the middle of a fight and i get jumped before the minute to rebuff is up!

I find about 1/4 of the stealthers that vanish on me. Another small percentage dies from a dot. I've seen fg's pbaoe them so yeah, a waste of points imo.
Thu 28 Feb 2019 1:34 AM by Stimmed
Yup I agree can easily live without Vanish. Purge though I would not drop (just me). 6-9 sec stun can be easily half your health etc. Or that annoying skald mez bard instas healer instas. Just keeps you in the fight alot.

But man I would have alot of damage ras if I dropped purge haha would be interesting to see!.
Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:57 PM by Pirhana7
Its not so much adding that bothers me, its when a FG runs over a solo non stealth class, even worse when it is a speed less class.
That solo is out there looking for a 1v1, or even would gladly find a 2v1. but every time a FG kills that solo player in a fight that is zero challenge and gives very little rewards to the group, it makes the solo player not want to come out anymore and eventually they will stop coming out, which hurts the game because it is removing small man fights.


I understand its RVR, red is dead, ect but that doesn't mean you HAVE to kill that solo guy that is not part of a keep defense or task and is just looking for a 1v1. Just run by him and keep looking for an enemy group.


If they added on 1 of your fights before kill um, if they are trying to get to a keep to defend kill um, if they are an Animist or Moinstrel kill um. But leave the solo alone who is just looking for a 1v1. They are not a threat to your realm at that time.
Sat 2 Mar 2019 4:24 PM by Quik
Pirhana7 wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:57 PM
Its not so much adding that bothers me, its when a FG runs over a solo non stealth class, even worse when it is a speed less class.
That solo is out there looking for a 1v1, or even would gladly find a 2v1. but every time a FG kills that solo player in a fight that is zero challenge and gives very little rewards to the group, it makes the solo player not want to come out anymore and eventually they will stop coming out, which hurts the game because it is removing small man fights.


I understand its RVR, red is dead, ect but that doesn't mean you HAVE to kill that solo guy that is not part of a keep defense or task and is just looking for a 1v1. Just run by him and keep looking for an enemy group.


If they added on 1 of your fights before kill um, if they are trying to get to a keep to defend kill um, if they are an Animist or Moinstrel kill um. But leave the solo alone who is just looking for a 1v1. They are not a threat to your realm at that time.

The problem with this is the grey argument.

Grey's re worth zero xp while solo's generally are worth some.

If people are going to argue it is ok to kill grey's why in the world should people leave solo's alone?
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