Hello team, I was just wondering if it was against any of the rules, or shamed, to run a PL service for in game monetary gains? Thanks for your time!
Bradekes wrote: ↑Thu 31 Jan 2019 3:43 PMSo these things are rules? And I wasn't suggesting anything about account info. I am wanting to start a PL service to level othets to level 30 starting off. I am wanting to save up for a large guild house and I need the rules and guidelines so I can address them to the group I'm PLing. I may start a 30-40 service too but starting off it will be less time consuming just to 30 right now. Thanks for the responses BTW!
Bradekes wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 1:13 PMThis is why I need an answer from staff. If someone is handing me plat for a service I'm offering I would like them to be able to afk. I don't expect anyone to do any work when they've earned my services. That's kind of unfair to them. I would love to know what I can do to protect their liability in such a case so I can have repeat customers.
Bradekes wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 7:42 PMThis is still different... I understand where you're coming from. I understand most likely my question falls under a similar category but I am not AFK farming, and there is nothing about powerleveling or being AFK in a group on their official rules, unless you have more than one account being played in one household
If the Devs want people to know this they need to add this simple statement to the official rules.
That being said, technically no one can be held responsible for being afk if it is not stated clearly in the rules. It sounds more like those specific Devs are creating their own rules which should be addressed.
Going forward I don't need any more replies from you on this subject. Again, thank you for your opinion. I will tell my group members to set a 10minute timer, then be active then set another 10minute timer rinse repeat.
Who says I am being ignorant?Numatic wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 9:18 PMIgnorance of the rules is not an excuse to break them. Do as you wish. But you wont have much of a PL service when all your "clients" keep getting banned for afk botting. Good luck.
Bradekes wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 10:03 PMWho says I am being ignorant?Numatic wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 9:18 PMIgnorance of the rules is not an excuse to break them. Do as you wish. But you wont have much of a PL service when all your "clients" keep getting banned for afk botting. Good luck.
Straight from the rules:
If you are playing from the same household and one of you has to AFK for more than 10 minutes, make sure to log out of the game as you might get tested for dual logging. If, after 10 minutes, the test fails, the ban will be applied.
Is being power-leveled the same as playing from the same household? Are there any other mentioning of AFK in the rules? No!
I am clearly just asking for a real answer and either for the GM to update their rules or to specify whether or not this is okay. I am just trying to run a short-term, in-game business to get gold for my 100p guild house that I want. If the GM haven't responded to this yet, they are either avoiding this subject or waiting to see what the fellow players think of this before they give their input.
They cannot expect people to follow unsaid rules or to comb through every forum looking for hidden rules. They are very professional people so I would think they would address this, as PLing has been around almost as long as the game has been around, they would/should of addressed this if there was any rules regarding it specifically!
Numatic wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 10:10 PMThis is where lack of common sense is something the GMs cant fix. If you cant do it with one person, what makes you think you can do it with another? Simply because the "motivation" is different? Afk is afk. End of story. No afk botting. You have been answered. You have your answer. Nothing more to be said at this point. It's all good. Like I said, feel free to do your PL service. You know the restrictions now.
Bradekes wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 10:14 PMNumatic wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 10:10 PMThis is where lack of common sense is something the GMs cant fix. If you cant do it with one person, what makes you think you can do it with another? Simply because the "motivation" is different? Afk is afk. End of story. No afk botting. You have been answered. You have your answer. Nothing more to be said at this point. It's all good. Like I said, feel free to do your PL service. You know the restrictions now.
How is getting a PL botting exactly? botting is completely different man.. I will have two out of group people assisting me, a mentalist for HoTs and a Druid for buffs, we will share the profit, so there is incentive for everyone to be active and doing their part. The ones being PL should not be held to botting as they are standing there soaking exp. I am unsure how it could even be defined as botting. Those rules I just posted are to prevent Buffbots there are no "in-between-the-lines" I am choosing to ignore.
Numatic wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 10:25 PMThey are botting because they are not there. That's the entire definition of a bot. If he is afk for more then a certain amount of time, the GM may test him. If he doesnt pass the test, he will be banned. If he is there and can respond to the GM, its perfectly fine. Whether you agree with it or not is inconsequential. It's a firm stance that they will not change.
There is no buffbot or mention of buffbot, why are you stating buffbot. Also show me in the official rules where Powerleveling is prohibited. I have a right to expect a GM to officiate a rule if they intend it to be followed, not a third-party, so you can also excuse yourself as you only are adding what others are saying, which are things that are not part of the official rules. I am not interested thank you!keen wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:05 PMDude, this will lead to a ban. Not much more to say. Stop dragging attention of GMs, they are busy with important things.
You also think you can have a BB if you log it in at your neighbours PC? It is not the same household!
Bradekes wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:13 PMThere is no buffbot or mention of buffbot, why are you stating buffbot. Also show me in the official rules where Powerleveling is prohibited. I have a right to expect a GM to officiate a rule if they intend it to be followed, not a third-party, so you can also excuse yourself as you only are adding what others are saying, which are things that are not part of the official rules. I am not interested thank you!keen wrote: ↑Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:05 PMDude, this will lead to a ban. Not much more to say. Stop dragging attention of GMs, they are busy with important things.
You also think you can have a BB if you log it in at your neighbours PC? It is not the same household!
Turtle006 wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 12:25 AMRead rule 5. "Any other means that allow unattended game play."
There you go. In the rules and explicitly clear.
Turtle006 wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 4:31 AMIt literally says "any other form of unattended game play" if that isn't enough for you, then sure go ahead and get yourself banned. I don't know what else to say.
Turtle006 wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 4:31 AMIt literally says "any other form of unattended game play" if that isn't enough for you, then sure go ahead and get yourself banned. I don't know what else to say.
Bradekes wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 5:05 AMTurtle006 wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 4:31 AMIt literally says "any other form of unattended game play" if that isn't enough for you, then sure go ahead and get yourself banned. I don't know what else to say.
Do you understand what context is? This is like saying, "If you're on the moon you cannot breath" but your on earth so you can breath but you are telling people it's against the rules... There is information before those words pertaining to what specific type of unattended play they are talking about. AFK in a group is not unattended gameplay, seriously stop using this argument. This is not what the rule is talking about. You cannot pick and choose the little statements and use them as blanket statements and assume. You have to agree that these rules are not entirely clear or specific.
If the person in the group was using macros to heal while they were AFK this would apply, because that is unattended gameplay. The AFK people being powerleveled are not providing any support or actions to say they are even gamePLAYING.
5. Hotkeys to auto queue attacks or spells, or any other action which we determine as an unfair advantage to your character.
This is the information before the statement you are citing. Being powerleveled is not an unfair advantage to anyone's character. If it is a powerlevel service anyone with the plat can get this benefit. Someone has to be gaining something someone else cannot by the action before it can be enforced as breaking the rules. I encourage you to work with me to get more clear rules instead of going against me. It would help everyone in the future and you saying it is okay for them not to be specific is going to make these type of threads to keep popping up.
Bradekes wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 1:21 PMHotkeys to auto queue attacks or spells, or any other action which we determine as an unfair advantage to your character.
Explain to me what action an afk player is taking before you keep pointing at this rule. You have to understand the first part of the rule has to apply before the second part applies...
So seriously stop filling my post with garbage interpretation. I need a GM to clarify their meaning and then I need them to fix their official rule to clarify.
Anaethema wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:09 PMI am not an Admin nor a GM, but I can tell you this - if you want a breakdown of EVERY possible action that breaks this rule you will never get it. The rule you quoted is called a blanket clause, which means it's up to the GM/Admin's interpretation whether or not you are breaking the spirit of the rule. Their server, their rules.
As a general guideline you can follow... if you aren't sure if it's allowed, then don't do it.
Anaethema wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:09 PMBradekes wrote: ↑Sat 2 Feb 2019 1:21 PMHotkeys to auto queue attacks or spells, or any other action which we determine as an unfair advantage to your character.
Explain to me what action an afk player is taking before you keep pointing at this rule. You have to understand the first part of the rule has to apply before the second part applies...
So seriously stop filling my post with garbage interpretation. I need a GM to clarify their meaning and then I need them to fix their official rule to clarify.
I am not an Admin nor a GM, but I can tell you this - if you want a breakdown of EVERY possible action that breaks this rule you will never get it. The rule you quoted is called a blanket clause, which means it's up to the GM/Admin's interpretation whether or not you are breaking the spirit of the rule. Their server, their rules.
As a general guideline you can follow... if you aren't sure if it's allowed, then don't do it.
Stimmed wrote: ↑Tue 5 Feb 2019 9:13 PMTo me your service seems fine. Going by the rules you are breaking none Power leveling these people. You cant control if they afk. They will be the ones that have to make sure there at there computer while being Power Leveled. I would just make sure when they accept that you tell them to be at there PC while your doing it or they could be banned and that's not your fault etc.
So playing with a VPN from the same household would be fine?muertorix wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 10:38 AMSame for me. The rules apply ONLY if you log 2 accounts from the same household. Nothing is written about going AFK if the second account logs with another IP
keen wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 10:52 AMSo playing with a VPN from the same household would be fine?muertorix wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 10:38 AMSame for me. The rules apply ONLY if you log 2 accounts from the same household. Nothing is written about going AFK if the second account logs with another IP
The thing is, they can not determine if you are from the same household or not. Hence they will check you if you get reported for dual login. If you fail, accs will be banned.
Mgh wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 4:04 AMThe whole context of logging out if AFK for longer than 10 minutes is if you are playing from the same house. There is NOTHING and absolutely no reason to log out if you are not playing from the same house.
Not relevant for this thread ^^Mac wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 12:12 PMCheck out this recent ban, it has nothing to do with dual logging. It's a guy solo running an AFK script. https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4726
"14 day ban and deletion of all characters for afk-script leveling."
Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 12:13 PMNot relevant for this thread ^^Mac wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 12:12 PMCheck out this recent ban, it has nothing to do with dual logging. It's a guy solo running an AFK script. https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4726
"14 day ban and deletion of all characters for afk-script leveling."
Imho the major reason for the ban/deletion was the script. Basically the same as the macro usage with implemented delays and repetitions.Mac wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 12:12 PM"14 day ban and deletion of all characters for afk-script leveling."
Durgrim wrote: ↑Wed 6 Feb 2019 11:24 AMWell, I do agree up to a certain extend.
First of all, VPN or mobile phone connecting 2nd pc or whatsoever does not give the GM the possibility to determine, whether it is the same person or not. Fine.
At least in the first view he cannot determine and punish both accounts, because one is playing actively and the other one is sitting around afk for 25min already and every 30min he is jumping to the PC, checks his messages or jumps 1x and then goes afk.
If these are 2 different players then everything is fine.
But me as GM I would certainly dig a bit deeper...check IP address of forum access, check intereactions and chats (by filter) of this little toon, check whether these 2 accounts have ever written something simultaneously whilst being online, etc. etc. etc....there are many ways of figuring out When this little toon has never had any conversation in group or interaction and so on with other people....
And If I encounter some frictions which backs my assumption that this little char is a dual log account of the big one leveling him: Perma ban for both.
If that's not the case and the OP and his to be PL'd toon in group is NOT the same person, then the OP MUST NOT take the responsibility of another individual violating the rules. Period.
If they did, which I hope they will never do, they are acting arbitrarily and not based on any evidence BUT...it is still their server and thus their barbeque and THEY can decide whom to let play on THEIR conditions or not. You may find this strange and unlawful or unfair, you may also cry....but this doesn't help you out. If they ban you for whatever reason they come up with, it is their right to do so. In ANY case. You have no claim to use their server or their service.
But to close the loop, I would feel very uncomfortable if I was responsible for the responsiveness of my group members. Try to figure this out during TG raids where almost 20% are afk...or whilst farming other places with full group.
flyingnehpets wrote: ↑Mon 18 Mar 2019 4:42 PMThe fact that we're at 7 or 8 pages now leads me to ask..
Why haven't you (the OP) tried yet? And if you or anyone else has, why have you/they not posted to let us know?
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