Unlimited Respecs forever, why not?

I'm just curious why there are not unlimited skill and realm respecs? Does it actually hurt the game play in some way? There are some classes that you basically have to roll multiple characters for or have a whole stash of respec stones to actually enjoy multiple types of game play. Wizard for instance, ICE being ideal for PvE / helping people level, but useless for RvR, or that is to say, not nearly as fun for most people as Earth. Theurgist wind spec is really fun for running around solo, but doesn't fit the "interrupter" role for 8 mans. Just about all classes could be made more enjoyable I think if we could swap specs on the fly. Hech I would even advocate for some type of /savespec and /loadspec command where you could just instantly spec to whatever you wanted, sort of like.... please don't flame me.... WoW.

Anyhow, I think this might be an interesting thing to vote for, the only downside I can think of is making respec stones useless but people are giving them away anyhow these days.

Fri 15 May 2020 2:41 PM by Rhareg

I agree. Having unlimited respecs should be the norm.

My wiz is currently specced earth, but everytime I want to PvE I need to respec to ice and vice versa.

I currently don't see anything bad in the inflation of respec stones.

Fri 15 May 2020 6:45 PM by joshisanonymous

Probably in the minority, but I like it when choices matter in MMOs. To me, unlimited respecs before 50 are a way to experiment with different specs so you know what you want to play at 50. Sure, you can get around this at 50 by buying lots of respec stones, but at least there's a cost then for optimizing your character for any situation you might go into on any given day.

The other thing that infinite respecs could affect that you didn't mention is leveling, in the sense that some people have multiple toons of the same class so they can play different specs, which means they were part of the leveling ecosystem more than other players. It would probably be a small effect, but there might be less people to group with if respecs were unlimited forever.

Fri 15 May 2020 7:42 PM by gotwqqd

No

Fri 15 May 2020 7:56 PM by Quik

I have never liked games that just let you freely change your character at will.

I enjoy how I feel after I have worked to get my character to where I want and I should have to work at it to respect him otherwise I don't feel invested as much.

Sat 16 May 2020 6:10 PM by Siouxsie

Yes.
Give us unlimited respecs!

Why!?
The game keeps CHANGING damage formulas every 3-4 days!

Sat 16 May 2020 6:20 PM by Quik

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:10 PM
Yes.
Give us unlimited respecs!

Why!?
The game keeps CHANGING damage formulas every 3-4 days!

Yeah this is an issue for sure.

Anytime staff mess with dmg formulas they should give a free respect available for like 30 minutes after logging in or something so people can adjust.

Then the problem is, haven't bows had like 3 changes in the last week? I understand a change, but 3 changes so quickly and no respect makes it a tad unfair.

Sat 16 May 2020 6:33 PM by Siouxsie

Quik wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:20 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:10 PM
Yes.
Give us unlimited respecs!

Why!?
The game keeps CHANGING damage formulas every 3-4 days!

Yeah this is an issue for sure.

Anytime staff mess with dmg formulas they should give a free respect available for like 30 minutes after logging in or something so people can adjust.

Then the problem is, haven't bows had like 3 changes in the last week? I understand a change, but 3 changes so quickly and no respect makes it a tad unfair.

Agreed. Mythic gave free respecs to all when things were changed.

Sat 16 May 2020 8:48 PM by gotwqqd

Quik wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:20 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:10 PM
Yes.
Give us unlimited respecs!

Why!?
The game keeps CHANGING damage formulas every 3-4 days!

Yeah this is an issue for sure.

Anytime staff mess with dmg formulas they should give a free respect available for like 30 minutes after logging in or something so people can adjust.

Then the problem is, haven't bows had like 3 changes in the last week? I understand a change, but 3 changes so quickly and no respect makes it a tad unfair.

They should simply auto strip the spec

Sat 16 May 2020 8:49 PM by Quik

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 8:48 PM
Quik wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:20 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 16 May 2020 6:10 PM
Yes.
Give us unlimited respecs!

Why!?
The game keeps CHANGING damage formulas every 3-4 days!

Yeah this is an issue for sure.

Anytime staff mess with dmg formulas they should give a free respect available for like 30 minutes after logging in or something so people can adjust.

Then the problem is, haven't bows had like 3 changes in the last week? I understand a change, but 3 changes so quickly and no respect makes it a tad unfair.

They should simply auto strip the spec

Yeah that would solve everything, but I figured some people would scream they need to redo skills LOL

Sun 17 May 2020 12:30 AM by Nezoic

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:45 PM
Probably in the minority, but I like it when choices matter in MMOs. To me, unlimited respecs before 50 are a way to experiment with different specs so you know what you want to play at 50. Sure, you can get around this at 50 by buying lots of respec stones, but at least there's a cost then for optimizing your character for any situation you might go into on any given day.

The other thing that infinite respecs could affect that you didn't mention is leveling, in the sense that some people have multiple toons of the same class so they can play different specs, which means they were part of the leveling ecosystem more than other players. It would probably be a small effect, but there might be less people to group with if respecs were unlimited forever.

I get this completely but still as it is now, it makes more sense to roll another of the same character, level it, gear and grind it all over again. This is not fun, for me at least.

Sun 17 May 2020 8:06 AM by Durzo

I suppose one issue is, you don’t have to respec to pve. I’m not gonna argue that speccing ice/mana/suppression isn’t much faster for leveling. But you could play an icer in RVR. Is it meta? No probably not. But if you like they play style you can make some wild stuff work when you get good at it. Allowing people to flip flop to the current flavor freely doesn’t work for the overall health of the game.

Mon 18 May 2020 8:16 AM by ddelmarle

i would say free respec a week, or

2 spec snapshot, you can swap between /spec1 and /spec2 commands

Mon 18 May 2020 1:24 PM by inoeth

how often you stand around looking for a pac healer, while you have 2 aug healers. and maybe one i willing to respec for this evening, but he doesnst want to invest the plats or feathers...
imo it would be a huge improvement to make respecs free.
i never understood why you are forced to pve for a respec anyway. hell my very first lvl 50 had like 34 hammer 15 axe and 10 sword ;D try to get a decent grp with that ....

btw are there really ppl that have several toons of the same class with different specs?

Mon 18 May 2020 2:33 PM by Ashenspire

Respeccing could've been the gold sink the game needed.
Start at a significant amount that increases every time you respec. Cost decreases over time as you aren't respeccing.

As it stands, having to spend 16k feathers for a DS run on some characters for 2 skill and 2 RA respecs doesn't feel good.

Mon 18 May 2020 4:57 PM by Nezoic

So it looks like the majority is in favor of this? How do we get admins to put it to a vote?

Mon 18 May 2020 5:05 PM by

gruenesschaf

Nezoic wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 4:57 PM
So it looks like the majority is in favor of this? How do we get admins to put it to a vote?

As this affects the economy, not at all.

Mon 18 May 2020 8:18 PM by joshisanonymous

Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 2:33 PM
Respeccing could've been the gold sink the game needed.
Start at a significant amount that increases every time you respec. Cost decreases over time as you aren't respeccing.

As it stands, having to spend 16k feathers for a DS run on some characters for 2 skill and 2 RA respecs doesn't feel good.

I like the idea of progressive costs: the longer you stay the same spec, the fewer feathers a respec stone costs, but each time you respec in quick succession, the feather cost increases. I would even like this during the leveling process. However, I think that would be a change in the opposite direction of what the OP wants.

Tue 19 May 2020 3:50 PM by Symptomettes

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 5:05 PM
Nezoic wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 4:57 PM
So it looks like the majority is in favor of this? How do we get admins to put it to a vote?

As this affects the economy, not at all.

5pp horse for each char will not affect the economy at all maybe ? People will need money so everything will probably increase to get the money needed to have his horses for everytoon.

Wed 20 May 2020 7:10 AM by Sepplord

Symptomettes wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 3:50 PM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 5:05 PM
Nezoic wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 4:57 PM
So it looks like the majority is in favor of this? How do we get admins to put it to a vote?

As this affects the economy, not at all.

5pp horse for each char will not affect the economy at all maybe ? People will need money so everything will probably increase to get the money needed to have his horses for everytoon.

That's not how economy works, when everyone needs money...
If everyone wants money, then prices go down, because customers demand decreases and sellers supply increases

There probably were people running a company, thinking: "if i need twice as much money, i will just double my prices" but i am sure all of those are out of business

Wed 20 May 2020 12:30 PM by Azrael

Nezoic wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 4:57 PM
So it looks like the majority is in favor of this? How do we get admins to put it to a vote?

edit because there was too much unnecessary rant from me.

No from me. Also there is no need to claim the majority is in favor of something after page2.

Wed 20 May 2020 4:34 PM by Draginclaw

It would be a hard no from me as well....choices matter. If you want to respec buying a stone is relatively cheap.

Wed 20 May 2020 4:50 PM by necrolove1

I think the way it is now is the sweet spot, i really think the less you have to work for in a game the more boring it becomes. Though, this is just my opinion.

Wed 20 May 2020 6:10 PM by hefrocko2

It's so easy to get respec stones, no need to have unlimited respecs. It will also remove incentive for people to do raids to get stones, which will hurt part of the economy/pve community.

That being said, i hope devs will provide free respecs whenever they implement style/spell/RA changes (like they did with crit RA nerf)

Sat 30 May 2020 4:13 PM by Arm

Saying 'It's easy to get respec stones' is not necessarily true.

I personally think all they would need to do is make the respecs more affordable? Nothing wrong with make it cheaper and then more accessible.

Not seeing the downside in 'exerpise' or 'ceriac' stones being cheaper. I know folks resetting RA's after each run to reset RA timers is a no go.

2cents.