Removal of Stealth Lore Potions

Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:10 PM by clutterbug

I absolutely agree with this assement of stealth lore pots. I typically play a visi class, and I feel it's incredibly cheap when I see a FG or even a zerg pop SL and run down stealthers. We as visi's need these stealthers for dock/bridge control, relaying of important information to the zerg during critical times and to help keep the realms diverse. By allowing SL pots on an SI server, we cheapen the value of stealthers and destroy their gameplay. I'd like to see SL pots disappear, but if that isn't possible at least shorten the length of time of the potions .

Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:15 PM by Stynkfyst28

Def agree with this. Even if you do not take this out at least lower the duration. Stealth lore lasting 1 min and having a very long range to see stealther's is very over powered. Shades of mist on Toa was what 10min cd lasted 20 seconds? Not saying this is a solo game but the reason we love daoc is because it allows all play styles. This is why we have solo titles and stealthers. with stealth lores you are killing the solo aspect. this is a solo/grp/zerg pvp not just grp/zerg.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:38 PM by paqdizzle

Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

Well said. +1 from me.
There are a lot of people that wont like the removal of SL pots due to it being too easy to find sneaks. I use them all the time and complain about how easy it is to find sneaks in /region and /advice on alb side and I get bashed immediately and respond with "Sounds like someone died in RvR" or another generic comment. It's rough cause I'm not the one dying lol, I'm using them and reporting how corny it is.. I get like 500+ range on finding sneaks (as a sneak) it's unfair, simply put.

I find someone with SL pot from WAY out - kill said target, I then /advice or /region to say how cheesy it feels, and IM THE ONE who get's told "Get Gud" or "Sounds like someone died in RvR".. not knowing I was the one using it and complaining about it lol... Toxic much?

The main thing I see people defend this is: It's great for finding people who Vanished..... Well that's another problem. By definition VANISH is supposed to mean just that but still it's super easy to find anyone sneaking/vanished with SL pots due to having a huge speed advantage while whoever is sneaking is snare speed.

Here is the deal: People have to use Vanish due to PA being gimped on this server so they can't exactly net their kills the way they are supposed to and use Vanish to "Get away"... Archery doesn't do the damage it should either so you can't utilize Bow range and damage before you get ran up on and slapped up, OR you hit their DD proc and get rupt which brings you out of the fight for 5 seconds... Sneaks are gimp in comparison to what they used to be on this server so everything else kinda just piles on the burden of being a sneak. It's rough, but the toxicity in this community is bad to where nobody wants to speak up for this cause due to being bashed immediately or called out for "Sucking" somehow :/ it's not good at all.

If and only if PA did the damage it used to do, then I could see complaints about Vanish as more valid. With SL pots, Vanish is utterly useless. So I can't take any complaints about it as critique just yet.

The problem I come across the most are 8man organized groups that use SL pots to gank 1 or 2 people. Mainly solos. Or zergs running SL pots to still gank that solo lol... How do people here complain about sneaks when they are fully synergized in an 8man and that same 8man are the same ones that go out and gank solos and small mans. SURE: They don't really hunt those players per say, but if they see you, it's GG unless you're 2000 units away from the get-go, so you have a head start to run completely out of their range BUT they have speed so that ground is easily made up(caught up to). which means you almost have to be out of clip range to be 100% safe.
People want to complain about everything on this server but I will say this makes more sense due to how this server is ran at the moment.

Remove SL pots OR, fix PA damage and Scout Bow damage. one or the other has to be fixed, otherwise nobody will do anything but gank due to that being your only chances to get kills on this server. They want to complain about Sneaks ganking but forget 8mans with a full synergy are doing that now already. Why not have a way to fight back against the meta..

Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:42 PM by paqdizzle

clutterbug wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:10 PM
I absolutely agree with this assement of stealth lore pots. I typically play a visi class, and I feel it's incredibly cheap when I see a FG or even a zerg pop SL and run down stealthers. We as visi's need these stealthers for dock/bridge control, relaying of important information to the zerg during critical times and to help keep the realms diverse. By allowing SL pots on an SI server, we cheapen the value of stealthers and destroy their gameplay. I'd like to see SL pots disappear, but if that isn't possible at least shorten the length of time of the potions .

Yes, I forgot this totally... Stealth is **supposed to be an advantage** for you and the realm, yet just being a sneak is already putting you at a disadvantage with SL pots. Look at all the nerfs in the patch notes from several months ago to now... Nothing was posted about Scouts bow damage yet it was clearly gimpped in comparison. PA used to say Devastating for it's damage. now it says Tickle?

Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:47 PM by abuttagames

Stealth lore is cheesy and over powered. Please lower the duration from 1min to at least 20 seconds.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM by dbeattie71

Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM by paqdizzle

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf

Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:35 AM by Kimahri

Remove SL pots and vanish, problem solved

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:03 AM by bigne88

All sthealters can do is camping obvious spots like docks, drop area and xp spots, waiting for an easy prey to kill fast, than vanish and afk 15 minutes.

You should change your useless griefing playstyle and make it more dynamic. Or even better, roll a visible class and give some contribute to the server population instead of just griefing on others gaming time.

Stop killing expers, adding fights,. The geam is more fun than that.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:26 AM by gotwqqd

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf

Maybe there should be a potion for solo non speed classes to catch the skald/minstrel/bard sos out of fight?

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:47 AM by easytoremember

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:26 AM
Maybe there should be a potion for solo non speed classes to catch the skald/minstrel/bard sos out of fight?

speedwarp pots @@
solves groups always running away with SOS

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:37 AM by Stynkfyst28

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:03 AM
All sthealters can do is camping obvious spots like docks, drop area and xp spots, waiting for an easy prey to kill fast, than vanish and afk 15 minutes.

You should change your useless griefing playstyle and make it more dynamic. Or even better, roll a visible class and give some contribute to the server population instead of just griefing on others gaming time.

Stop killing expers, adding fights,. The geam is more fun than that.

Really? you just named like over half the spots there is to camp in daoc. Good job naming the game rofl. Same spots 8mans and everyone else camps

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:39 AM by Stynkfyst28

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:26 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf
Maybe there should be a potion for solo non speed classes to catch the skald/minstrel/bard sos out of fight?

Stealth lore is cheap and very over powered the fact that it is lasting 1 min is already over powered.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:40 AM by Stynkfyst28

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:03 AM
All sthealters can do is camping obvious spots like docks, drop area and xp spots, waiting for an easy prey to kill fast, than vanish and afk 15 minutes.

You should change your useless griefing playstyle and make it more dynamic. Or even better, roll a visible class and give some contribute to the server population instead of just griefing on others gaming time.

Stop killing expers, adding fights,. The geam is more fun than that.

Also 8 mans are the ones who add 100% of the fights not small mans or solos not sure what you are saying. 8 mans constantly farm soloes they also camp xp spots. your points are naive and not valid at all

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:56 AM by paqdizzle

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:26 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf
Maybe there should be a potion for solo non speed classes to catch the skald/minstrel/bard sos out of fight?

This is funny.. Vanish? all good I have an EZ mode "find sneaks" potion. Oh you SoS'ed? welp.....ffs

Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:38 AM by bigne88

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:03 AM
All sthealters can do is camping obvious spots like docks, drop area and xp spots, waiting for an easy prey to kill fast, than vanish and afk 15 minutes.

You should change your useless griefing playstyle and make it more dynamic. Or even better, roll a visible class and give some contribute to the server population instead of just griefing on others gaming time.

Stop killing expers, adding fights,. The geam is more fun than that.

Also 8 mans are the ones who add 100% of the fights not small mans or solos not sure what you are saying. 8 mans constantly farm soloes they also camp xp spots. your points are naive and not valid at all

Try to join an 8 men, than you will tell me more.
Im on mid atm, feel free to poke me and Ill make you do a run with us.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:42 AM by Stynkfyst28

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:38 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:03 AM
All sthealters can do is camping obvious spots like docks, drop area and xp spots, waiting for an easy prey to kill fast, than vanish and afk 15 minutes.

You should change your useless griefing playstyle and make it more dynamic. Or even better, roll a visible class and give some contribute to the server population instead of just griefing on others gaming time.

Stop killing expers, adding fights,. The geam is more fun than that.

Also 8 mans are the ones who add 100% of the fights not small mans or solos not sure what you are saying. 8 mans constantly farm soloes they also camp xp spots. your points are naive and not valid at all

Try to join an 8 men, than you will tell me more.
Im on mid atm, feel free to poke me and Ill make you do a run with us.

being a try hard organized grp is really not that hard I run a 6m stealth grp and we fight 8m vissies a lot. I really do not wanna hear try running a 8m it is easy when you have all the pieces. You guys would have respect if you didn't avoid other 8 man fights and than zerg down a solo. I have played daoc since the game has launched I have done 8 mans/zergs and stealth grps.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:57 AM by paqdizzle

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:42 AM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:38 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
Also 8 mans are the ones who add 100% of the fights not small mans or solos not sure what you are saying. 8 mans constantly farm soloes they also camp xp spots. your points are naive and not valid at all

Try to join an 8 men, than you will tell me more.
Im on mid atm, feel free to poke me and Ill make you do a run with us.
being a try hard organized grp is really not that hard I run a 6m stealth grp and we fight 8m vissies a lot. I really do not wanna hear try running a 8m it is easy when you have all the pieces. You guys would have respect if you didn't avoid other 8 man fights and than zerg down a solo. I have played daoc since the game has launched I have done 8 mans/zergs and stealth grps.

I feel like Stynk is correct here, just from the basis of your first post about how "all they do" is camp spots.. and then go on to list the same exact spots that even the 8mans/zergs roam..In fact, a good 80+% of where ANY action is where you previously listed... lol C'mon bro bud guy. That and your post had nothing do to with Stealth lore pots, how they function and/or what should be done from here. I think that is a majority of the issue too, when the community isn't knowledgeable enough to remember What specific classes and abilities did at launch till now, or even the base of DAoC and how it all worked back then. Now I'm not saying it was perfect BUT, there were patches and fixes that made it the reasons why we fell in love with DAoC to begin with. There was a time it was flawless (in comparison). I believe this original post holds merit and not to be considered "Crying" or "Whining" in my honest opinion. Too many people come here and seem like trolls when all we want is our love for this game(server) back. No reasons to be hostile or try to argue. it's fact vs "you think you know" and a clear disturbance for sneaks. They get enough flak as is.. 5 sneaks in 1 group = a zerg lolol ... FG of sneaks = You know there isn't a synergy to deal with. no real healers, just DPS minor cc and they still get flak...

Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:00 AM by dbeattie71

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf

I should be good then because Ranger can spot stealthers. I club them like baby seals and they vanish. SL helps collect what’s owed.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 8:21 AM by easytoremember

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:00 AM
I should be good then because Ranger can spot stealthers. I club them like baby seals and they vanish. SL helps collect what’s owed.

What's the point of vanish then? Get rid of the disarm and turn it into an offensive RA, double PA

Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:32 AM by Siouxsie

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanish needs removing from the game -- permanently.
As well as Physical Defense.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:57 AM by gotwqqd

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:56 AM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:26 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf
Maybe there should be a potion for solo non speed classes to catch the skald/minstrel/bard sos out of fight?

This is funny.. Vanish? all good I have an EZ mode "find sneaks" potion. Oh you SoS'ed? welp.....ffs

Thank you for seeing through to the sarcasm

Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:33 AM by Sepplord

Considering that MOS is removed on this server there really isnt a reason to whine about SL pots. Zergs usually would habe plenty MoS9 Archers so going anywhere near one in stealth would be suicide. Similarly as soon as any stealthzergs position was vguely known there would be MOS-Bots offering to flush them out for a group.

250units detection on phoenix via expensive potion is hardly problem nor a safe find.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:35 AM by bigne88

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:42 AM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:38 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
Also 8 mans are the ones who add 100% of the fights not small mans or solos not sure what you are saying. 8 mans constantly farm soloes they also camp xp spots. your points are naive and not valid at all

Try to join an 8 men, than you will tell me more.
Im on mid atm, feel free to poke me and Ill make you do a run with us.
being a try hard organized grp is really not that hard I run a 6m stealth grp and we fight 8m vissies a lot. I really do not wanna hear try running a 8m it is easy when you have all the pieces. You guys would have respect if you didn't avoid other 8 man fights and than zerg down a solo. I have played daoc since the game has launched I have done 8 mans/zergs and stealth grps.

6 men stealthers?
Big yekes!
If you are sure that 8 men is super easy, I feel sorry that I wasted my time reading your arguments and replyed you twice. 5 minutes tossed in the bin.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:57 PM by Stynkfyst28

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:33 AM
Considering that MOS is removed on this server there really isnt a reason to whine about SL pots. Zergs usually would habe plenty MoS9 Archers so going anywhere near one in stealth would be suicide. Similarly as soon as any stealthzergs position was vguely known there would be MOS-Bots offering to flush them out for a group.

250units detection on phoenix via expensive potion is hardly problem nor a safe find.

This isn't just about zergs. you have 8 mans who have several people who always have stealth lore pots. Stealth lore pots are being abused so hardcore right now just to kill the small man or the solo.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:57 PM by Stynkfyst28

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:35 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:42 AM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:38 AM
Try to join an 8 men, than you will tell me more.
Im on mid atm, feel free to poke me and Ill make you do a run with us.
being a try hard organized grp is really not that hard I run a 6m stealth grp and we fight 8m vissies a lot. I really do not wanna hear try running a 8m it is easy when you have all the pieces. You guys would have respect if you didn't avoid other 8 man fights and than zerg down a solo. I have played daoc since the game has launched I have done 8 mans/zergs and stealth grps.

6 men stealthers?
Big yekes!
If you are sure that 8 men is super easy, I feel sorry that I wasted my time reading your arguments and replyed you twice. 5 minutes tossed in the bin.

just sounds like you are newb who only zergs or grps. all you have done is try to bash instead of putting intelligence in the conversation

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:59 PM by Stynkfyst28

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:00 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf

I should be good then because Ranger can spot stealthers. I club them like baby seals and they vanish. SL helps collect what’s owed.

yeah well this isn't about finding people who vanish imo idc about Vanish. It's about the 8mans and zergs abusing them to find solo's are small mans. maybe go out and stealth more / roam you will see how much they are abused.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:02 PM by Stynkfyst28

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:00 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:17 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanishing nubs? SL is a nub item catered to people who shouldn't be able to find stealthers. what does Vanish mean? spotted? lol tf

I should be good then because Ranger can spot stealthers. I club them like baby seals and they vanish. SL helps collect what’s owed.

Also Stealth lore does not need to last 1 min. Vanish is what 10 seconds? so Stealth lore should be 15-20 seconds plenty of time to find some one who vanished. im not saying get rid of SL but def nerf the shit. Vanish is a 15 min CD and puts you out of combat for 30 seconds so having SL is already kinda cheap. But it lasting 1 min is over powered

Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:26 PM by dbeattie71

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:32 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanish needs removing from the game -- permanently.
As well as Physical Defense.

No argument here. I’ve never had it on my shade. IMO it’s a waste of points as quick as it is to get around. Most likely I’ll die 20s later lol.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:59 PM by joshisanonymous

I wouldn't mind if they upped the non-detectable portion of vanish to deal. As a solo visible player, I only ever use lucidity pots when I know for sure that a stealth is nearby because of the cost and duration, and I only know if stealth is nearby if they've been reported in /region, if I saw them before they stealthed, or if they just vanished on me.

For the first two cases, I really don't see a problem: if you camp one spot for too long or aren't careful about staying out of sight as a stealth, then you deserve to be found.

For the vanish case, I would say that probably 50% of the time, when I'm about to win a fight that involved an assassin getting the jump on me, they vanish. Before I knew about lucidity pots, I can't even tell you how many fights I effectively won and had nothing to show for it except probably some reset RA timers. That said, I basically never lose someone who vanishes in that situation anymore. Stealth lore seems to allow me to find them almost immediately, which doesn't make it so much a "at least you have a chance to still get them" thing as it does a "they just wasted vanish" thing. If it took some 20 seconds before you had a chance to find vanishers even with stealth lore, then you'd still have a good 40 seconds to look, but they wouldn't be literally right where they were when they vanished.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 4:03 PM by Quik

I TOTALLY understand the reason people want SL pots gone and I would completely agree EXCEPT...

I have had WAY to many stealthers destroy lowbie xp lvling groups to feel sympathy for ANYTHING a stealthier is having problems with.

Personally I say make SL pots craftable and make them 10 min like other pots...

=)

Yep I understand being in frontiers makes xp'ers fair game, but its still a pathetic move to kill lowbie XP'ers that don't give xp/rp's so anything that happens to stealthers now they have earned a hundred times over...

Sat 18 Apr 2020 5:00 PM by Noashakra

Quik wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 4:03 PM
I TOTALLY understand the reason people want SL pots gone and I would completely agree EXCEPT...

I have had WAY to many stealthers destroy lowbie xp lvling groups to feel sympathy for ANYTHING a stealthier is having problems with.

Personally I say make SL pots craftable and make them 10 min like other pots...

=)

Yep I understand being in frontiers makes xp'ers fair game, but its still a pathetic move to kill lowbie XP'ers that don't give xp/rp's so anything that happens to stealthers now they have earned a hundred times over...

Let's penalize everyone for the acts of a few. Let's remove speed 5 for ministrels and skalds 5 because they are doing exactly the same to xpers with the same logic. Ridiculous.
And no I am not against SL pots as they are now.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:47 PM by paqdizzle

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:59 PM
I wouldn't mind if they upped the non-detectable portion of vanish to deal. As a solo visible player, I only ever use lucidity pots when I know for sure that a stealth is nearby because of the cost and duration, and I only know if stealth is nearby if they've been reported in /region, if I saw them before they stealthed, or if they just vanished on me.

For the first two cases, I really don't see a problem: if you camp one spot for too long or aren't careful about staying out of sight as a stealth, then you deserve to be found.

For the vanish case, I would say that probably 50% of the time, when I'm about to win a fight that involved an assassin getting the jump on me, they vanish. Before I knew about lucidity pots, I can't even tell you how many fights I effectively won and had nothing to show for it except probably some reset RA timers. That said, I basically never lose someone who vanishes in that situation anymore. Stealth lore seems to allow me to find them almost immediately, which doesn't make it so much a "at least you have a chance to still get them" thing as it does a "they just wasted vanish" thing. If it took some 20 seconds before you had a chance to find vanishers even with stealth lore, then you'd still have a good 40 seconds to look, but they wouldn't be literally right where they were when they vanished.

The issue with xp'ers being ganked with no reward will always happen, that and when you do yield RPs you're still only level 35 which is a bummer I get it, but as a stealther, I get to watch most fights that take place and you get to notice how stuff works and goes down on this server. I've seen more small mans and fully synergized 8mans gank than any others in-game. (This is from my perspective of being a sneak and being able to see what happens in the frontier) Now what happens to the sneaks? more often than not, if sneaks are doing the ganking they eventually bring a whole force of players coming to look for you with, you guessed it: SL pots. The issue with that is they remain full speed(sometimes class based so they are even faster) so you can spot you more often than not and that's only IF you stayed in that area, if not you had to run a mile away so you wouldn't get spotted. You don't even have to gank to get people to swarm you with SL pots.

Another thing I run into a majority of the time, is I walk from any keep to the docks and there are already sneaks waiting at said dock WITH SL pots active OR that same fully synergized small/8man doing the exact same thing. Any organized groups run SL pots because it's just simply too easy.

If SL pots weren't so easy mode, I'd be okay with SL pots being on this server.. Seeing how at the beginning of this server's existence they were pushing the narrative that it's based on SI, I'd not expect to see ToA items such as SL pots be here.. it's bad enough sneaks got shafted here. We have to add in all the opposing factors into SL pots and Sneak based classes. Who is really benefiting the most here? surely not the sneaks.

If we debuff SL pots enough nobody will use it if it's a severe nerf. 10 minute cooldown would be pretty legit imo. but still, that wont fix how gimp (in comparison) sneaks are on this server. and they would still need to roll the same way. It's sad that 4 or 5 sneaks = a zerg to the toxic community here, meanwhile real 8 mans with full synergy do exactly what we're hating on when sneaks do it :/

Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:04 PM by paqdizzle

Another thing we tend to forget: Let's just say you're a scout, IF you do NOT have high RR enough to have toughness 9 at least and fully temped: chances are whoever you are in a 1v1 with will destroy you if they >get ahold of you<. Scouts are soft... So let's say your only hopes of securing a kill is with your bow and stealthing to set up those shots, what good is it when they use a SL pot and you have to either A.) get caught, or B.) have to run away or out of range to shoot or risk the rewards of being a sneak. WHICH in turn leads to people complaining about sneaks only ganking... well it was set in motion due to our playstyles being severly gimp regardless of your build..

Now that is a 1v1 scenario where SL pots shouldn't be a thing. just completely nulls what a scout can do, we don't get vanish, we don't get great Melee damage to stay in ANY pocket to fight, we only have our damn Bow which was nerffed here(for scouts) We can't hit ANY DD procs on armor or we can't shoot our bow anymore, and there are only a handfull of classes that can't hit you after you snare them to gain range, in fact most of the time you get hit 1 last time before moving away after you snared said target which means you can't fire for another 5 seconds, which means you better just run off and stealth, which means SL pots again... it's just frustrating more than anything. it's too EZ mode with SL pots giving the state of this server and their sneaks.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:45 PM by Stynkfyst28

Quik wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 4:03 PM
I TOTALLY understand the reason people want SL pots gone and I would completely agree EXCEPT...

I have had WAY to many stealthers destroy lowbie xp lvling groups to feel sympathy for ANYTHING a stealthier is having problems with.

Personally I say make SL pots craftable and make them 10 min like other pots...

=)

Yep I understand being in frontiers makes xp'ers fair game, but its still a pathetic move to kill lowbie XP'ers that don't give xp/rp's so anything that happens to stealthers now they have earned a hundred times over...

I agree with you but they do not need to remove them just lesson the duration. SL last's 1 min no need for it to last 1 min. At most 15-20 seconds

Sat 18 Apr 2020 7:47 PM by Stynkfyst28

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:59 PM
I wouldn't mind if they upped the non-detectable portion of vanish to deal. As a solo visible player, I only ever use lucidity pots when I know for sure that a stealth is nearby because of the cost and duration, and I only know if stealth is nearby if they've been reported in /region, if I saw them before they stealthed, or if they just vanished on me.

For the first two cases, I really don't see a problem: if you camp one spot for too long or aren't careful about staying out of sight as a stealth, then you deserve to be found.

For the vanish case, I would say that probably 50% of the time, when I'm about to win a fight that involved an assassin getting the jump on me, they vanish. Before I knew about lucidity pots, I can't even tell you how many fights I effectively won and had nothing to show for it except probably some reset RA timers. That said, I basically never lose someone who vanishes in that situation anymore. Stealth lore seems to allow me to find them almost immediately, which doesn't make it so much a "at least you have a chance to still get them" thing as it does a "they just wasted vanish" thing. If it took some 20 seconds before you had a chance to find vanishers even with stealth lore, then you'd still have a good 40 seconds to look, but they wouldn't be literally right where they were when they vanished.

Most times with SL I find stealthers in 10-20 seconds after vanish. They do not need to remove but they should lower the duration to 20 seconds and lesson the visibility to what inf's/sb's/ns's can see stealthers. Right now the range is ridic on top of the duration.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 8:43 PM by Siouxsie

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:47 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:59 PM
I wouldn't mind if they upped the non-detectable portion of vanish to deal. As a solo visible player, I only ever use lucidity pots when I know for sure that a stealth is nearby because of the cost and duration, and I only know if stealth is nearby if they've been reported in /region, if I saw them before they stealthed, or if they just vanished on me.

For the first two cases, I really don't see a problem: if you camp one spot for too long or aren't careful about staying out of sight as a stealth, then you deserve to be found.

For the vanish case, I would say that probably 50% of the time, when I'm about to win a fight that involved an assassin getting the jump on me, they vanish. Before I knew about lucidity pots, I can't even tell you how many fights I effectively won and had nothing to show for it except probably some reset RA timers. That said, I basically never lose someone who vanishes in that situation anymore. Stealth lore seems to allow me to find them almost immediately, which doesn't make it so much a "at least you have a chance to still get them" thing as it does a "they just wasted vanish" thing. If it took some 20 seconds before you had a chance to find vanishers even with stealth lore, then you'd still have a good 40 seconds to look, but they wouldn't be literally right where they were when they vanished.

The issue with xp'ers being ganked with no reward will always happen, that and when you do yield RPs you're still only level 35 which is a bummer I get it, but as a stealther, I get to watch most fights that take place and you get to notice how stuff works and goes down on this server. I've seen more small mans and fully synergized 8mans gank than any others in-game. (This is from my perspective of being a sneak and being able to see what happens in the frontier) Now what happens to the sneaks? more often than not, if sneaks are doing the ganking they eventually bring a whole force of players coming to look for you with, you guessed it: SL pots. The issue with that is they remain full speed(sometimes class based so they are even faster) so you can spot you more often than not and that's only IF you stayed in that area, if not you had to run a mile away so you wouldn't get spotted. You don't even have to gank to get people to swarm you with SL pots.

Another thing I run into a majority of the time, is I walk from any keep to the docks and there are already sneaks waiting at said dock WITH SL pots active OR that same fully synergized small/8man doing the exact same thing. Any organized groups run SL pots because it's just simply too easy.

If SL pots weren't so easy mode, I'd be okay with SL pots being on this server.. Seeing how at the beginning of this server's existence they were pushing the narrative that it's based on SI, I'd not expect to see ToA items such as SL pots be here.. it's bad enough sneaks got shafted here. We have to add in all the opposing factors into SL pots and Sneak based classes. Who is really benefiting the most here? surely not the sneaks.

If we debuff SL pots enough nobody will use it if it's a severe nerf. 10 minute cooldown would be pretty legit imo. but still, that wont fix how gimp (in comparison) sneaks are on this server. and they would still need to roll the same way. It's sad that 4 or 5 sneaks = a zerg to the toxic community here, meanwhile real 8 mans with full synergy do exactly what we're hating on when sneaks do it :/

Bear in mind:
The devs/GMs of Phoenix have always taken an anti-stealther attitude with respect to gaming decisions
During beta there was a short period of time, when, if a certain % of stealthers logged in from one realm -- ALL STEALTH WOULD BE REMOVED. Yes, that meant running around Emain visible as a stealther. Any group could just steamroller you and you'd have no defense.

The Phoenix "stealth" system does away with actually good, classic ideas about the stealth system that were checks & balances like: a) Camouflage (totally removed here), b) Truesight (doesn't exist) c) See Hidden, d) Giving Minstrels the same amount of stealth and stealth detection as archer classes (this is so wrong I don't even know where to start)

Bring back Camouflage. Bring back Truesight (so assassins actually can worry about being shot at rather than being "top of the food chain at all times"

, and make Minstrel stealth really really crappy -- as it's SUPPOSED to be.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 3:16 AM by Stynkfyst28

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 8:43 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:47 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:59 PM
I wouldn't mind if they upped the non-detectable portion of vanish to deal. As a solo visible player, I only ever use lucidity pots when I know for sure that a stealth is nearby because of the cost and duration, and I only know if stealth is nearby if they've been reported in /region, if I saw them before they stealthed, or if they just vanished on me.

For the first two cases, I really don't see a problem: if you camp one spot for too long or aren't careful about staying out of sight as a stealth, then you deserve to be found.

For the vanish case, I would say that probably 50% of the time, when I'm about to win a fight that involved an assassin getting the jump on me, they vanish. Before I knew about lucidity pots, I can't even tell you how many fights I effectively won and had nothing to show for it except probably some reset RA timers. That said, I basically never lose someone who vanishes in that situation anymore. Stealth lore seems to allow me to find them almost immediately, which doesn't make it so much a "at least you have a chance to still get them" thing as it does a "they just wasted vanish" thing. If it took some 20 seconds before you had a chance to find vanishers even with stealth lore, then you'd still have a good 40 seconds to look, but they wouldn't be literally right where they were when they vanished.

The issue with xp'ers being ganked with no reward will always happen, that and when you do yield RPs you're still only level 35 which is a bummer I get it, but as a stealther, I get to watch most fights that take place and you get to notice how stuff works and goes down on this server. I've seen more small mans and fully synergized 8mans gank than any others in-game. (This is from my perspective of being a sneak and being able to see what happens in the frontier) Now what happens to the sneaks? more often than not, if sneaks are doing the ganking they eventually bring a whole force of players coming to look for you with, you guessed it: SL pots. The issue with that is they remain full speed(sometimes class based so they are even faster) so you can spot you more often than not and that's only IF you stayed in that area, if not you had to run a mile away so you wouldn't get spotted. You don't even have to gank to get people to swarm you with SL pots.

Another thing I run into a majority of the time, is I walk from any keep to the docks and there are already sneaks waiting at said dock WITH SL pots active OR that same fully synergized small/8man doing the exact same thing. Any organized groups run SL pots because it's just simply too easy.

If SL pots weren't so easy mode, I'd be okay with SL pots being on this server.. Seeing how at the beginning of this server's existence they were pushing the narrative that it's based on SI, I'd not expect to see ToA items such as SL pots be here.. it's bad enough sneaks got shafted here. We have to add in all the opposing factors into SL pots and Sneak based classes. Who is really benefiting the most here? surely not the sneaks.

If we debuff SL pots enough nobody will use it if it's a severe nerf. 10 minute cooldown would be pretty legit imo. but still, that wont fix how gimp (in comparison) sneaks are on this server. and they would still need to roll the same way. It's sad that 4 or 5 sneaks = a zerg to the toxic community here, meanwhile real 8 mans with full synergy do exactly what we're hating on when sneaks do it :/

Bear in mind:
The devs/GMs of Phoenix have always taken an anti-stealther attitude with respect to gaming decisions
During beta there was a short period of time, when, if a certain % of stealthers logged in from one realm -- ALL STEALTH WOULD BE REMOVED. Yes, that meant running around Emain visible as a stealther. Any group could just steamroller you and you'd have no defense.

The Phoenix "stealth" system does away with actually good, classic ideas about the stealth system that were checks & balances like: a) Camouflage (totally removed here), b) Truesight (doesn't exist) c) See Hidden, d) Giving Minstrels the same amount of stealth and stealth detection as archer classes (this is so wrong I don't even know where to start)

Bring back Camouflage. Bring back Truesight (so assassins actually can worry about being shot at rather than being "top of the food chain at all times", and make Minstrel stealth really really crappy -- as it's SUPPOSED to be.

What's sad is I had a full grp of hibs pop stealth lore to find just me 1 guy. Right after killing me mids come and the hibs sos and run away...…. One case of stealth lore being abused

Sun 19 Apr 2020 4:05 AM by Azrael

Just remove stealth itself from the game. :}

Sun 19 Apr 2020 5:33 AM by Riac

remove stealths ability to group, problem will solve itself.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:27 AM by Mavella

Is this thread farcical or a parody of something I missed?

Stealth is easily the best defensive tool in the game. Stealth lore pots give non stealthers a 125unit detect range which is puny. If you can't avoid visibles using SL pots it's not a mechanic problem is a play problem. SL is a fairly weak counter to stealth as it is and you want it removed?!

I'm not even going to read the walls of text posted in this thread.

What a joke.
Learn to play.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:13 AM by Lance

no

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:25 AM by Noashakra

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:08 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 3:16 AM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 8:43 PM
Bear in mind:
The devs/GMs of Phoenix have always taken an anti-stealther attitude with respect to gaming decisions
During beta there was a short period of time, when, if a certain % of stealthers logged in from one realm -- ALL STEALTH WOULD BE REMOVED. Yes, that meant running around Emain visible as a stealther. Any group could just steamroller you and you'd have no defense.

The Phoenix "stealth" system does away with actually good, classic ideas about the stealth system that were checks & balances like: a) Camouflage (totally removed here), b) Truesight (doesn't exist) c) See Hidden, d) Giving Minstrels the same amount of stealth and stealth detection as archer classes (this is so wrong I don't even know where to start)

Bring back Camouflage. Bring back Truesight (so assassins actually can worry about being shot at rather than being "top of the food chain at all times", and make Minstrel stealth really really crappy -- as it's SUPPOSED to be.

What's sad is I had a full grp of hibs pop stealth lore to find just me 1 guy. Right after killing me mids come and the hibs sos and run away...…. One case of stealth lore being abused

Sounds about right for most hib groups.

People like you never going out without being 3 make the SL a good inverstment for them.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:45 PM by paqdizzle

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:27 AM
Is this thread farcical or a parody of something I missed?

Stealth is easily the best defensive tool in the game. Stealth lore pots give non stealthers a 125unit detect range which is puny. If you can't avoid visibles using SL pots it's not a mechanic problem is a play problem. SL is a fairly weak counter to stealth as it is and you want it removed?!

I'm not even going to read the walls of text posted in this thread.

What a joke.
Learn to play.

Don't post unless you have constructive critique about the OP.. How we know you're full of shit? well you said you wouldn't read this wall of text, except in this "Wall of text" already explained what you would even say before you said it with reasons why YOU shouldn't have said it. You were called out before you even showed up with that "Learn to play" bull shit attitude.

The fact you said "Stealth is the best defensive tool in the game" only proves our point about SL pots being in the game... Stealthers were supposed to have that stealth advantage, now you get someone that KNOWS they can solo a sneak use a SL pot and find you... gg. so much for the best defensive tool in the game..

Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:46 PM by paqdizzle

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:27 AM
Is this thread farcical or a parody of something I missed?

Stealth is easily the best defensive tool in the game. Stealth lore pots give non stealthers a 125unit detect range which is puny. If you can't avoid visibles using SL pots it's not a mechanic problem is a play problem. SL is a fairly weak counter to stealth as it is and you want it removed?!

I'm not even going to read the walls of text posted in this thread.

What a joke.
Learn to play.

Do you have to spec in SL pots? no? oh that's odd, as a sneak you have to spec stealth :/

Sun 19 Apr 2020 7:57 PM by Mavella

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:45 PM
Don't post unless you have constructive critique about the OP

The constructive criticism is that yes SL pots are balanced. Perma stealth is an extremely broken mechanic which is why most games don't even bother to include it anymore. It's semi balanced when a person is soloing perhaps. It rapidly spirals out of control when you get large groups of stealthers zerging the shit anything that moves and avoiding anything resembling a fair/even fight.

Should it be even more easy for clowns like those to operate with impunity? The answer is NO.

Again, if you're getting caught by visibles using SL it is in fact a learn to play problem. I'm sorry to break the bad news, the problem lies solely with you.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM by paqdizzle

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 7:57 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:45 PM
Don't post unless you have constructive critique about the OP

The constructive criticism is that yes SL pots are balanced. Perma stealth is an extremely broken mechanic which is why most games don't even bother to include it anymore. It's semi balanced when a person is soloing perhaps. It rapidly spirals out of control when you get large groups of stealthers zerging the shit anything that moves and avoiding anything resembling a fair/even fight.

Should it be even more easy for clowns like those to operate with impunity? The answer is NO.

Again, if you're getting caught by visibles using SL it is in fact a learn to play problem. I'm sorry to break the bad news, the problem lies solely with you.

Think about it... who uses SL pots? the classes that know they can solo a sneak? or how about the FG of fully synergized classes that use SL pots to find that solo or small man of sneaks? why? cause they KNOW they can easily dispatch sneaks... ON NO A FG OF SNEAKS!?!?!?! well you know they don't have any real healer or CC that doesn't last long enough to be a threat.. you're completely right, stealthers should remain gimp on this server and anyone who feels like they are being ripped off due to EZ mode items that should remain in ToA and not the SI era.

You're must not be getting the bigger picture or think ahead by any means. Everyone is so damn scared to die in this game it's sad... but when a sneak dies and says anything it's A Okay! or "Get Gud" even though they were built to be a threat... now they are built to be annoying because everything else is gimp in comparison.. You all have it too good.. Nobody on this server complains about getting 1 tapped by PA.... wonder why.. Nobody seems to remember how things used to work I guess.

For anyone trying to defend this garbage, Go play a scout and go full bow... I wonder what would happen to you in a 1v1 or group fight where you're not in a synergy. lol tf up.. You all have it made....

Oh let's complain about sneaks adding fights... well they wouldn't have to if they weren't so gimp by comparison... Oh vanish is lame, Welp, they wouldn't need to vanish if PA worked the way it used to.. in fact I would say remove vanish all together and fix PA... What's worse? dying or making someone vanish? Oh no a scout hit me but my armor proc'd a DD... don't worry he only hit me for 400 damage with a crit shot and now can't fire for 5 seconds... easily mitigated... DONT NERF MY SHROOMS OR INSTANT AMNESIA!!!! IT WORKS AS INTENDED!!!!! TWF anyone? yeah... Don't worry Reavers got a levi nerf too so... the garbage keeps piling up.

I get upset when people seem to forget how most skills and attacks worked but decide to give their 2 cents about that same thing they know nothing of or can't seem to remember. Just shut up or do your research first..

I should learn to play so I can /Delete my sneak and make a fully synergized caster group with 1 or 2 peels and 2 heals with CC and a debuff for nuke damage for nukes that can be cast at 1.3 or 1.4 seconds per nuke that yields crit shot damage every nuke... But 3 times faster.. But let's ignore those same groups run SL pots just so they find those gimped sneaks... legit.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:36 PM by Mavella

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM
Blah blah blah

Here's the counter to the all powerful SL pot...

When you see the obvious graphic effect signaling that someone has used a SL pot.... walk in a different direction than they are walking(!). 9 times out of 10 they won't find you. Will they find you occasionally? Sure, it happens, it's more luck than anything else. If you're capable of changing directions as they scramble around trying to find you its extremely easy to get away. If they move at speed 6 they can literally run over you with SL pot on and still not see you. It's that easy!

You're welcome. SL pots are fine. Now stop ranting about random other shit please.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:43 PM by paqdizzle

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:36 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM
Blah blah blah

Here's the counter to the all powerful SL pot...

When you see the obvious graphic effect signaling that someone has used a SL pot.... walk in a different direction than they are walking(!). 9 times out of 10 they won't find you. Will they find you occasionally? Sure, it happens, it's more luck than anything else. If you're capable of changing directions as they scramble around trying to find you its extremely easy to get away. If they move at speed 6 they can literally run over you with SL pot on and still not see you. It's that easy!

You're welcome. SL pots are fine. Now stop ranting about random other shit please.

obviously you didn't think this through... there is a range to see buffs on players and the majority of the time, they are already running SL pots so you will never see that effect... Then the other side of the coin, where they are already B lining right at you and use a SL pot just before getting within 700 units of you... Now you're stealth, Slow as fuck, and they can see you due to already just randomly B lining towards you... Let's just say you were just hiding in the cut, and think your safe, every now and then people just come your way regardless of your position... you're stealthed remember? so they don't see you to begin with, but randomly went your way with an SL pot already active... GG

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:46 PM by paqdizzle

Dude, the issue is that PA is trash here, scouts bow damage is crap here... so who the hell isn't capable of handling a sneak? Everything seems to be nerffed for us sneaks AND everyone gets a SL pot to boot... what.... the.... fuck... How are you not able to comprehend this obvious notion that it's over the top with how this server runs currently... ffs

Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:54 PM by paqdizzle

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:36 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM
Blah blah blah

Here's the counter to the all powerful SL pot...

When you see the obvious graphic effect signaling that someone has used a SL pot.... walk in a different direction than they are walking(!). 9 times out of 10 they won't find you. Will they find you occasionally? Sure, it happens, it's more luck than anything else. If you're capable of changing directions as they scramble around trying to find you its extremely easy to get away. If they move at speed 6 they can literally run over you with SL pot on and still not see you. It's that easy!

You're welcome. SL pots are fine. Now stop ranting about random other shit please.

Now remember... I said I'm not the one dying here.. I'm watching it go down around me and I use SL pots frequent so I know how cheese it is first hand... But if you failed to grasp that, I'm sorry lol.

Do you realize that the majority of the time I see small mans (decent synergy) and FGs (perfect synergy) utilize SL pots more-so than ANY others on the server? So I see more ganks with SL pots aiding this garbage.. without SL pots what would they do? fighting other groups? nope... lol people here only want to gank, that's it... Let's roll a FULLY synergized 8man so we can kill stuff we know we can kill, then run from other 8 mans LOL ffs you all are sorry.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:19 PM by thirian24

Dude, you're going off the deep end with some of your rants and taking your frustrations out on Mavella.

I'm not sure if you're directing many of your comments directly towards Mavella, or if you're just speaking generally and it comes out that way because he is the one responding to you.

But Mavella is probably THE toughest SB on the server. Sitting somewhere in the 10Lx range. (Maybe even rr11 now). I think he clearly knows what he is talking about.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:43 PM by Freedomcall

Truth be told, stealth zergers(who claim they are "smallmen"

using SL pots to pick up solos is far more detrimental than visi grps using it.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 10:18 PM by thirian24

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:43 PM
Truth be told, stealth zergers(who claim they are "smallmen" using SL pots to pick up solos is far more detrimental than visi grps using it.

For sure.

Id vanish away from the stealth zergs, only to have them all pop SL to find me.

Sun 19 Apr 2020 10:28 PM by Quik

I would be willing to make a trade...get rid of SL pots in exchange for being able to swap weapons in combat and poison people with 20 different weapons in 20 seconds.

No weapon swap = no SL pot

Sun 19 Apr 2020 10:32 PM by paqdizzle

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 10:18 PM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:43 PM
Truth be told, stealth zergers(who claim they are "smallmen" using SL pots to pick up solos is far more detrimental than visi grps using it.

For sure.

Id vanish away from the stealth zergs, only to have them all pop SL to find me.

LOL might have been my group.. and no it's not a zerg, it's a FG. I've not seen ANY stealth zergs in several days, unless you're in a BG taking keeps/defending keeps.
Besides.... those claiming there are zergs often mistake the size of said group... I've heard someone call my group of 5 at the time, a zerg

and quite often do I hear that crap.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 12:41 AM by Mavella

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:19 PM
Dude, you're going off the deep end with some of your rants and taking your frustrations out on Mavella.

I'm not sure if you're directing many of your comments directly towards Mavella, or if you're just speaking generally and it comes out that way because he is the one responding to you.

But Mavella is probably THE toughest SB on the server. Sitting somewhere in the 10Lx range. (Maybe even rr11 now). I think he clearly knows what he is talking about.

I haven't played since like November/December! Did make it to 11L1 before I ran outta gas.

This guy clearly needs to be on Adderall for ADD or a mood stabilizer for his Mania. I'm not sure which it is but the ten different tangents per wall of text makes me go cross eyed.

paqdizzle wrote: LOL might have been my group.. and no it's not a zerg, it's a FG. I've not seen ANY stealth zergs in several days, unless you're in a BG taking keeps/defending keeps.
Besides.... those claiming there are zergs often mistake the size of said group... I've heard someone call my group of 5 at the time, a zerg and quite often do I hear that crap.

Why am I not surprised this clown is a stealth zerger. I'm starting to think I'm just being baited.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 1:22 AM by easytoremember

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:19 PM
Dude, you're going off the deep end with some of your rants and taking your frustrations out on Mavella.

nothing paqdizzle said in that 'rant' was wrong

Mon 20 Apr 2020 1:59 AM by nyght999

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:32 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 12:06 AM
Fugax wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Hello, I wanted to take a moment of the Dev's time regarding the SL pots. I personally feel they should be removed from the game. Too many full groups using them for personal gain in the sense they last for a full 60s, and its to pick on the people that typically run solo or small stealth groups. It creates an unfair advantage to those that play a stealth class. I say that because most of stealth class is the elament of surprise, and its been taken away. It really creates a disadvantage to a person that has no heals, and only using buff pots to whereas most groups run with speed/buffs/mez/stun/dps. I am not trying to complain regarding this issue, but look at a stealth perspective. Today there is 877 ppl in NF and out of them 110 are stealth. Most of the time those that play stealth tend to solo/small man or have short amounts of time to invest playing in full groups. I would agree it sucks being picked on when trying to get too a dock by a stealther, but as of late many visible small mans or full groups have been running them to hunt down the stealth. I understand it is an rvr game, and each side has its play style. That I cannot argue. What I'm simple suggesting is that they are over kill, and really hinders the stealther word of game play when they can't even "Vanish" to get away from a full group due to these Stealth Lore Pots being used and in my opinion over powered. Please take some time to look into this issue, and I know you will as you keep making important changes for the servers community.
Thank you.

It’s the only way I can find vanishing nubs lol.
https://youtu.be/CqFv2h8BBVk

Vanish needs removing from the game -- permanently.
As well as Physical Defense.

So does the ability of archers seeing stealth better than an assassin. Take those same "Archers" and remove 50% of their melee ability, since they are supposed to be ranged classes right? While we're at it, lets remove baseline stun, bard instant amnesia, all forms of instant spells from each and every class in the game. Skald, Minstrel, Bard, Healer, Shaman, anything with any part of instant cast, remove it, it's not needed.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM by Kwall0311

OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:30 AM by paqdizzle

Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

RR has nothing to do with how cheap SL pots are lol wtf are you oofing for? Whoever doesn't realize how ez mode SL pots are, you're just ignorant as fuck..
Unless ofc this high RR person uses said SL pots when out soloing.. odd how that could work out aye?

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:33 AM by paqdizzle

Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

back in OF when the servers were fresh, you could net over 100 solo kills in a day easily when lowbies would die from task and it would still count as a solo kill. I know several people who abused this back in the day.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:39 AM by Stynkfyst28

Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

you mean 5k of those solo kills came from when the server first launched in OF and greens and blues going out and suicide. stop trying to act tough and sugar coating your numbers. you forget vets play this who know you are =)

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:43 AM by Stynkfyst28

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:19 PM
Dude, you're going off the deep end with some of your rants and taking your frustrations out on Mavella.

I'm not sure if you're directing many of your comments directly towards Mavella, or if you're just speaking generally and it comes out that way because he is the one responding to you.

But Mavella is probably THE toughest SB on the server. Sitting somewhere in the 10Lx range. (Maybe even rr11 now). I think he clearly knows what he is talking about.

Just because you are high RR doesn't mean you know how to play. Back when the server first launched for about 5 months greens and blues would go out every 15 min and suicide constantly. his number are all sugar coated from abusing that mechanic he got most of his RR's from that. People forget there is vets who have played this since beta and know who every stealther is.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:47 AM by Stynkfyst28

Hands down NO ONE IS SAYING TO TOTALLY REMOVE STEALTH LORES STOP ASSUMING. what I am saying is SL is super OP lasting 1 min and being able to see way past stealther vision. It needs to be lowered on the duration. The vision should only be what a sin can see other stealthers at. To many grps are only farming stealthers and that is it. full 8 man vissies running around with SL pots only hunting the stealther for a easy kill. Than they run from a even fight. Gtfo out with accusing people of crying or sucking this is a plain fact SL in this state is beyond OP and needs nerfed not REMOVED...………...

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:57 AM by Stynkfyst28

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:27 AM
Is this thread farcical or a parody of something I missed?

Stealth is easily the best defensive tool in the game. Stealth lore pots give non stealthers a 125unit detect range which is puny. If you can't avoid visibles using SL pots it's not a mechanic problem is a play problem. SL is a fairly weak counter to stealth as it is and you want it removed?!

I'm not even going to read the walls of text posted in this thread.

What a joke.
Learn to play.

It's def longer than that. I have tested SL pots for the last week and what you are saying is dumb you are sticking up for it because you also abuse the pots Mave. And if you actually read crap and weren't just ignorant and automatically assuming you would see all people are asking is for the duration to be lessoned not SL taken away. Btw most people are not dumb the vets know your stats are sugar coated from back in OF when greens and blues would suicide every 15 min. Just because you are high realm rank does not mean you are good. Most of your RR was back in OF and suicide days same with your solo kills. You forget people know ya bud..

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:57 AM by paqdizzle

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:47 AM
Hands down NO ONE IS SAYING TO TOTALLY REMOVE STEALTH LORES STOP ASSUMING. what I am saying is SL is super OP lasting 1 min and being able to see way past stealther vision. It needs to be lowered on the duration. The vision should only be what a sin can see other stealthers at. To many grps are only farming stealthers and that is it. full 8 man vissies running around with SL pots only hunting the stealther for a easy kill. Than they run from a even fight. Gtfo out with accusing people of crying or sucking this is a plain fact SL in this state is beyond OP and needs nerfed not REMOVED...………...

I'm only saying to remove IF we don't get some form of buff... SL pots with how the server is currently... should just remove them, if not- and we're deciding to keep the cheese, then it needs debuffed.. last only 15-20 or so seconds and a reuse of 10 min or something of that nature. Nobody would care much about SL pots if sneaks weren't already shafted until very high RR, only then will it seem like it's fine.. So if a rr11 wants to defend it's cheese, it only makes sense that it's fine to him... lmfao.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:11 AM by Mavella

Love this dynamic duo liking their own and each other's posts now. A literal circle jerk of nobodies.

Sorry SL pots gets your little game of stealth group grab ass broken up every once in a while. The potions were added onto the server for spefically that reason. Adapt or gtfo. End of story.

This thread has to be a joke at this point. I'm 100% convinced it's trolling.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:45 AM by Riac

Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:11 AM
Love this dynamic duo liking their own and each other's posts now. A literal circle jerk of nobodies.

Sorry SL pots gets your little game of stealth group grab ass broken up every once in a while. The potions were added onto the server for spefically that reason. Adapt or gtfo. End of story.

This thread has to be a joke at this point. I'm 100% convinced it's trolling.

no joke, just bad players.
honestly. if a group wants to waste their time to SL a single stealther, then thats on them and a complete waste of their time. id imagine they arent winning too many 8 man fights if that is how they are choosing to spend their time. it only becomes worth it when ppl are stealth zerging. (also, ppl use the term stealth zerg and group interchangeably. i know its not the same for visis, but a group of 3 stealthers is a "zerg" when you consider their intended prey. and its not other groups lol)
that example you gave earlier in the thread about the hib group or w/e SLing you and then getting INCed on by another 8 man, then forcing the hibs to SOS away. that is HILARIOUS and the hibs got exactly what they deserved with their noob asses. instead of looking for the real RPs, aka another group to fight, they were trying to prowl for solo stealthers. they wanted to split 900 RPs 8 ways lol, what a huge waste of time. not only did they have to spend 10 claws, but it also cost them their SOS, which they probably would have liked to had for the next fight they found. gg noobs.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 6:46 AM by Sepplord

If that hibgroup had not killed the stealther, but started an intense 8vs8 fight there....what would the stealther have done in 9of10 scenarios?

This whole thread is such a bullshit conglomeration of paqdizzle and stiknyfist creating a whole page of comments, on their own by making 4comments in a row, repeating the same argument over and over again, while showing complete ignorance to the mechanic they are complaining about.

Where does the data come from that leads to claims like: too many 8mans out there that only hunt stealthers? Do you really believe that or just write exxaggerrations because you believe it increases credibility?

Or that you can't see the buff effect, because they run with SL-pre-potted

Come on...even with 1minute duration that would require 60sl-charges per hour to run with SL-prepotted on ONE person of the fullgroup. 60SL charges = 12potions of lucidity (inventory slots) = 120PhoenixClaws per hour.
My made up stats (that are just as credible as your made up statistics) say that there are zero groups running around with SL-prepotted.

Currently people using SL still rely on luck to find others. A solo stealth will very often not be found. If you are stealthing in a group with 4other noobs and someone comes looking for you, well yeah....the chance that at least ONE of your group gets found is pretty high. Because you are giving more targetlocations where a stealther can be found. That would move the potion away from the TOA-function and more to the SI function of truesight...it seems you guys used that argument quite often, but also seems you have no idea what you are wishing for.

Imo the Pots need a vision-buff and a duration nerf. Nerf duration to 10 or 20seconds, but make them like truesight. So you can TRUELY flush out an area with a pot.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:03 AM by Riac

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 6:46 AM
If that hibgroup had not killed the stealther, but started an intense 8vs8 fight there....what would the stealther have done in 9of10 scenarios?

This whole thread is such a bullshit conglomeration of paqdizzle and stiknyfist creating a whole page of comments, on their own by making 4comments in a row, repeating the same argument over and over again, while showing complete ignorance to the mechanic they are complaining about.

Where does the data come from that leads to claims like: too many 8mans out there that only hunt stealthers? Do you really believe that or just write exxaggerrations because you believe it increases credibility?

Or that you can't see the buff effect, because they run with SL-pre-potted Come on...even with 1minute duration that would require 60sl-charges per hour to run with SL-prepotted on ONE person of the fullgroup. 60SL charges = 12potions of lucidity (inventory slots) = 120PhoenixClaws per hour.
My made up stats (that are just as credible as your made up statistics) say that there are zero groups running around with SL-prepotted.

Currently people using SL still rely on luck to find others. A solo stealth will very often not be found. If you are stealthing in a group with 4other noobs and someone comes looking for you, well yeah....the chance that at least ONE of your group gets found is pretty high. Because you are giving more targetlocations where a stealther can be found. That would move the potion away from the TOA-function and more to the SI function of truesight...it seems you guys used that argument quite often, but also seems you have no idea what you are wishing for.

Imo the Pots need a vision-buff and a duration nerf. Nerf duration to 10 or 20seconds, but make them like truesight. So you can TRUELY flush out an area with a pot.

if that stealther was an archer, you can bet your ass hes gonna add. fuck archers. if that stealther was a sin, and he is dumb enough to add on an 8v8 fight, hes about to blow his purge and vanish to split 900 rps 9 ways (assuming he doesnt get stun/nuked in some way) and most likely lose the next 1v1 fight he tries to take w/ no CDs up because he wanted to trade CDs for 100 rps (not a worthwhile trade in case you are wondering). assuming he even gets the kill, which is a tall order considering there is DI and bof to compete with. even if he PAs a caster, its hard af to kill an 8 man member.
you guys think sins are much stronger than they actually are.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM by Siouxsie

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:39 AM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

you mean 5k of those solo kills came from when the server first launched in OF and greens and blues going out and suicide. stop trying to act tough and sugar coating your numbers. you forget vets play this who know you are =)

Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:51 AM by Riac

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:39 AM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

you mean 5k of those solo kills came from when the server first launched in OF and greens and blues going out and suicide. stop trying to act tough and sugar coating your numbers. you forget vets play this who know you are =)

Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

who makes videos of them losing fights??? is this supposed to be a normal thing lol? and yes, ppl that are high RR and beating up on low RRs in videos are fucking stupid. if youre gonna make a video you should be punching up, or atleast have some known hardasses in it. unlike a certain r7 learner that posted his solo vid not too long ago rofl.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:58 AM by thirian24

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 10:32 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 10:18 PM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 9:43 PM
Truth be told, stealth zergers(who claim they are "smallmen" using SL pots to pick up solos is far more detrimental than visi grps using it.

For sure.

Id vanish away from the stealth zergs, only to have them all pop SL to find me.

LOL might have been my group.. and no it's not a zerg, it's a FG. I've not seen ANY stealth zergs in several days, unless you're in a BG taking keeps/defending keeps.
Besides.... those claiming there are zergs often mistake the size of said group... I've heard someone call my group of 5 at the time, a zerg and quite often do I hear that crap.

Uses SL on solo stealthers.. but wants SL taken out or nerfed. LMFAO

What a f*ckin clown.

Everything that you just posted leads me to believe many things. I'll list them below for easy comprehension.

1. You stealth Zerg. Yes, you are a zerger.
2. You're a trash player.
3. You couldn't win a 1v1 to save your life.
4. FG use SL on your stealth Zerg because y'all are cancer to the server and I hope they keep doing it to you.
5. Phoenix staff announced that they will be doing something about stealth zergs soon, and I cannot wait to see y'all crumble.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:36 AM by easytoremember

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:58 AM
Uses SL on solo stealthers.. but wants SL taken out or nerfed. LMFAO

...isn't that the fucking point? People pop SL to hunt 1 guy as a mob if they're not already a group

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:38 AM by Sepplord

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:36 AM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:58 AM
Uses SL on solo stealthers.. but wants SL taken out or nerfed. LMFAO
...isn't that the fucking point? People pop SL to hunt 1 guy as a mob if they're not already a group

Popping it against a solo is a risk, because it doesn't guarantee a find.

Popping it against stealthzergers though, is pretty rewarding when you are already close

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:39 AM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:36 AM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:58 AM
Uses SL on solo stealthers.. but wants SL taken out or nerfed. LMFAO
...isn't that the fucking point? People pop SL to hunt 1 guy as a mob if they're not already a group

hes pointing out the hypocrisy of the poster.
he likes SL until its used on him.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:57 AM by thirian24

Reading comprehension is hard.

I'm glad busta gets it at least.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:06 AM by easytoremember

If he were a wizard demanding baseline bolt get removed from all realms because "2 bolts is too many" that would be hypocrisy, because eld/rm would be reduced to 1 but the wiz can pick up 2 via splitspec

Him asking for SL to be removed while using SL is not hypocrisy because he too would be unable to use it after it were removed

This is as stupid as calling any TWF user who wanted TWF to have LOS checks hypocrites

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:06 AM
If he were a wizard demanding baseline bolt get removed from all realms because "2 bolts is too many" that would be hypocrisy, because eld/rm would be reduced to 1 but the wiz can pick up 2 via splitspec

Him asking for SL to be removed while using SL is not hypocrisy because he too would be unable to use it after it were removed

This is as stupid as calling any TWF user who wanted TWF to have LOS checks hypocrites

so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?
ok, good to know.
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
only difference is if SL is removed the groups wont be able to stomp his group as easily; however, they will still be preying on solos with even less repercussions.
but its fine. the stealth zerg nerf is coming! and yes, a group of stealthers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 11:35 AM by inoeth

the main problem i see with SL pots is that you have to do keep stuff to get those.
if you are a pure solo stealther you simply cant get them on a regular basis.
it is really annoying to get killed by groups, necros, minstrel, chanters, and so on simply because they can detect you easily and then roflstomp you.

personally i wont mind getting cheesy killed, if i had the chance to get vanishing targets more frequently.

so conclusions i can see here are:

- removal of SL pots, or
- implement a way to get them for solo players

Mon 20 Apr 2020 1:17 PM by dbeattie71

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 11:35 AM
the main problem i see with SL pots is that you have to do keep stuff to get those.
if you are a pure solo stealther you simply cant get them on a regular basis.
it is really annoying to get killed by groups, necros, minstrel, chanters, and so on simply because they can detect you easily and then roflstomp you.

personally i wont mind getting cheesy killed, if i had the chance to get vanishing targets more frequently.

so conclusions i can see here are:

- removal of SL pots, or
- implement a way to get them for solo players

Getting SL pots is brain dead easy, even for stealthers.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 1:28 PM by Riac

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 1:17 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 11:35 AM
the main problem i see with SL pots is that you have to do keep stuff to get those.
if you are a pure solo stealther you simply cant get them on a regular basis.
it is really annoying to get killed by groups, necros, minstrel, chanters, and so on simply because they can detect you easily and then roflstomp you.

personally i wont mind getting cheesy killed, if i had the chance to get vanishing targets more frequently.

so conclusions i can see here are:

- removal of SL pots, or
- implement a way to get them for solo players

Getting SL pots is brain dead easy, even for stealthers.

well, feel free to elaborate because i solo a stealther all the time and i pretty much never get them and always have to buy them. however, i also dont fuck with keeps. which, was pretty much inoeth's point. if you dont ever do the keeps and actually focus on killing pple, you wont get many claws. but do pls tell us all these brain dead methods of obtaining the claws. feel free to dumb it down so that i may understand, i am a stealther after all.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:16 PM by Sepplord

Getting claws isn't hard.
Any class can zerg towers and keeps.

It's just boring and takes a lot of time, since you need to complete 10 (TEN!) raids to get a single potion, that will have two charges.

Imo having to raid 2structures on average for everytime you pop a SL-potion is a huge limiting factor

Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:54 PM by Riac

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:16 PM
Getting claws isn't hard.
Any class can zerg towers and keeps.

It's just boring and takes a lot of time, since you need to complete 10 (TEN!) raids to get a single potion, that will have two charges.

Imo having to raid 2structures on average for everytime you pop a SL-potion is a huge limiting factor

the claim isnt that it's hard to obrain them. the claim is that you wont get them unless you join a keep/tower raid group. aka shit that solo ppl generally dont do.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:03 PM by Sepplord

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:54 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:16 PM
Getting claws isn't hard.
Any class can zerg towers and keeps.

It's just boring and takes a lot of time, since you need to complete 10 (TEN!) raids to get a single potion, that will have two charges.

Imo having to raid 2structures on average for everytime you pop a SL-potion is a huge limiting factor

the claim isnt that it's hard to obrain them. the claim is that you wont get them unless you join a keep/tower raid group. aka shit that solo ppl generally dont do.

many players don't do it often. I almost exclusively smallman and we basically never raid. And the 8mans i know also don't raid. It's not like magically groups get free claws in their usual gameplay and solos don't.

And my whole point was, that SL-pots aren't freebies and gotten fast. The claims that the threadstarter made that groups just freely prepot them all the time and only hunt stealthers...etc. is complete bullshit. And a stealther whining that he can't get claws is bullshit too, because they can join the zerg and zerg just like anyone else.
It isn't more fun for me to raid towers with the zerg, just because i am not a solo, nor a stealther.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:04 PM by Stynkfyst28

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:39 AM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:40 AM
OP arguing stealth lore with an 11L1 SB with 6.3k solo kills, oof.

you mean 5k of those solo kills came from when the server first launched in OF and greens and blues going out and suicide. stop trying to act tough and sugar coating your numbers. you forget vets play this who know you are =)

Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

that's why I don't by into there BS it's all lies. Everyone knows Mave hella abused that shit now he is trying to act tough for it but will never ever fight my mini. Truth is SL is to strong does not need removed it needs tinkered. A high RR stealther you will hardly see with SL that is fair. But it seems RR6 below with stealth lore pots I can spot from a mile away. how is this fair?

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:07 PM by Stynkfyst28

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:03 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:54 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:16 PM
Getting claws isn't hard.
Any class can zerg towers and keeps.

It's just boring and takes a lot of time, since you need to complete 10 (TEN!) raids to get a single potion, that will have two charges.

Imo having to raid 2structures on average for everytime you pop a SL-potion is a huge limiting factor

the claim isnt that it's hard to obrain them. the claim is that you wont get them unless you join a keep/tower raid group. aka shit that solo ppl generally dont do.

many players don't do it often. I almost exclusively smallman and we basically never raid. And the 8mans i know also don't raid. It's not like magically groups get free claws in their usual gameplay and solos don't.

And my whole point was, that SL-pots aren't freebies and gotten fast. The claims that the threadstarter made that groups just freely prepot them all the time and only hunt stealthers...etc. is complete bullshit. And a stealther whining that he can't get claws is bullshit too, because they can join the zerg and zerg just like anyone else.
It isn't more fun for me to raid towers with the zerg, just because i am not a solo, nor a stealther.

to be honest they do run em all the time. I since the lock down have been playing 16 hours+ I have HOURS of film of showing 8m pre empt popping stealth lore than go across a bridge pop one stealther and stay camping like that for hours. Stealth lore last's a full 1 min no way a stealth lore pot needs to last 1 min nerf the shit to 20 seconds and nerf the sight. Mave is hella lying you can see a lot further than what he states. Also you can bg one day and make 20-30 claws easy

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:07 PM by Riac

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:03 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:54 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 2:16 PM
Getting claws isn't hard.
Any class can zerg towers and keeps.

It's just boring and takes a lot of time, since you need to complete 10 (TEN!) raids to get a single potion, that will have two charges.

Imo having to raid 2structures on average for everytime you pop a SL-potion is a huge limiting factor

the claim isnt that it's hard to obrain them. the claim is that you wont get them unless you join a keep/tower raid group. aka shit that solo ppl generally dont do.

many players don't do it often. I almost exclusively smallman and we basically never raid. And the 8mans i know also don't raid. It's not like magically groups get free claws in their usual gameplay and solos don't.

And my whole point was, that SL-pots aren't freebies and gotten fast. The claims that the threadstarter made that groups just freely prepot them all the time and only hunt stealthers...etc. is complete bullshit. And a stealther whining that he can't get claws is bullshit too, because they can join the zerg and zerg just like anyone else.
It isn't more fun for me to raid towers with the zerg, just because i am not a solo, nor a stealther.

im sure everyone knows that you CAN join the zerg group. Inoeth's post was getting at the idea of a way of getting these w/o doing that. however, id almost rather they didnt institute anything like that. i like the idea of them being rare, it makes the sl pots even more expensive and taxing to use.
inb4 all the ppl come to flaunt their wealth or w/e. idc, keep wasting that shit on looking for me lol.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM by Stynkfyst28

See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say. Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:12 PM by Riac

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:04 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:39 AM
you mean 5k of those solo kills came from when the server first launched in OF and greens and blues going out and suicide. stop trying to act tough and sugar coating your numbers. you forget vets play this who know you are =)

Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

that's why I don't by into there BS it's all lies. Everyone knows Mave hella abused that shit now he is trying to act tough for it but will never ever fight my mini. Truth is SL is to strong does not need removed it needs tinkered. A high RR stealther you will hardly see with SL that is fair. But it seems RR6 below with stealth lore pots I can spot from a mile away. how is this fair?

rofl, now this is gold right here. are you implying that the higher RR you are, the better your stealth is???
also stealthers get better use out of the SL pots than visis, it adds on your already superior stealth vision.
also, rofl at the guy on his mini challenging ppl to fights.... cool........ this is literally like someone talking shit to stealthers about not fighting thier necro. sure, the sins can beat minis but its a bit of a toss up sometimes. minis have a lot of bullshit to abuse situations? also, in this duel are you going to have a pet also?
last point, about the videos, you do realize these are highlight reels that ppl are making? you ever seen someone make a highlight reel with shit play and lost fights?? get real and stop acting like a fucking idiot lol.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:14 PM by Stynkfyst28

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:12 PM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:04 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM
Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

that's why I don't by into there BS it's all lies. Everyone knows Mave hella abused that shit now he is trying to act tough for it but will never ever fight my mini. Truth is SL is to strong does not need removed it needs tinkered. A high RR stealther you will hardly see with SL that is fair. But it seems RR6 below with stealth lore pots I can spot from a mile away. how is this fair?

rofl, now this is gold right here. are you implying that the higher RR you are, the better your stealth is???
also stealthers get better use out of the SL pots than visis, it adds on your already superior stealth vision.
also, rofl at the guy on his mini challenging ppl to fights.... cool........ this is literally like someone talking shit to stealthers about not fighting thier necro. sure, the sins can beat minis but its a bit of a toss up sometimes. minis have a lot of bullshit to abuse situations? also, in this duel are you going to have a pet also?
last point, about the videos, you do realize these are highlight reels that ppl are making? you ever seen someone make a highlight reel with shit play and lost fights?? get real and stop acting like a fucking idiot lol.

I have several RR7 + toons I don't give a fuk about what you are trying to troll or stick up for your little butt buddy it's facts bro if ya like come meet me where ever ya want and ill 1v1 each of you and destroy you. Oh that's right you guys are to scared to fight my mini you stay hidden waiting for a easy caster to kill.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:15 PM by Riac

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say.Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

so you have respect for no stealth groups or maybe its just the only ones that exist in your head, because those stealth groups you are describing do not exist lol. if they do exist they should make one of those videos showing how much of a hard ass they are lol.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:16 PM by Riac

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:14 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:12 PM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:04 PM
that's why I don't by into there BS it's all lies. Everyone knows Mave hella abused that shit now he is trying to act tough for it but will never ever fight my mini. Truth is SL is to strong does not need removed it needs tinkered. A high RR stealther you will hardly see with SL that is fair. But it seems RR6 below with stealth lore pots I can spot from a mile away. how is this fair?

rofl, now this is gold right here. are you implying that the higher RR you are, the better your stealth is???
also stealthers get better use out of the SL pots than visis, it adds on your already superior stealth vision.
also, rofl at the guy on his mini challenging ppl to fights.... cool........ this is literally like someone talking shit to stealthers about not fighting thier necro. sure, the sins can beat minis but its a bit of a toss up sometimes. minis have a lot of bullshit to abuse situations? also, in this duel are you going to have a pet also?
last point, about the videos, you do realize these are highlight reels that ppl are making? you ever seen someone make a highlight reel with shit play and lost fights?? get real and stop acting like a fucking idiot lol.
I have several RR7 + toons I don't give a fuk about what you are trying to troll or stick up for your little butt buddy it's facts bro if ya like come meet me where ever ya want and ill 1v1 each of you and destroy you. Oh that's right you guys are to scared to fight my mini you stay hidden waiting for a easy caster to kill.

you didnt really answer my question. are you implying that higher rr stealthers have better stealth than lower ones? or are you implying they are somehow more immune to sl pots? i have some toons over rr7 also, no need to peen flex on me so hard bro. rofl

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:18 PM by Riac

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say. Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

post the videos

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:20 PM by Sepplord

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:15 PM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say.Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

so you have respect for no stealth groups or maybe its just the only ones that exist in your head, because those stealth groups you are describing do not exist lol. if they do exist they should make one of those videos showing how much of a hard ass they are lol.

The only stealthgroups that have attacked our visible smallman, were always at least 2 most of the times 3-6people more than us.
I don't blame them, if i was a stealthgroup i wouldn't attack our smallman neither...but i really would like to know which stealthgroups are attacking similar numbers, and why there isn't a single video of it happening on phoenix around?

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:27 PM by Riac

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:20 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:15 PM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say.Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

so you have respect for no stealth groups or maybe its just the only ones that exist in your head, because those stealth groups you are describing do not exist lol. if they do exist they should make one of those videos showing how much of a hard ass they are lol.

The only stealthgroups that have attacked our visible smallman, were always at least 2 most of the times 3-6people more than us.
I don't blame them, if i was a stealthgroup i wouldn't attack our smallman neither...but i really would like to know which stealthgroups are attacking similar numbers, and why there isn't a single video of it happening on phoenix around?

ima tell you a secret..... they arent real. lame asses like stynkfist like to make shit up like that to try and justify their fleecing of the solos. its kind of funny tbh, this person is so deep in their own delusion he is criticizing someone who is pretty much known as a hard-ass and fair player for picking on weaker ppl when that is literally all his group does. the lack of self awareness is just amazing tbh. what makes it even better is that hes most likely a full grown adult lol, seeing as not many young ppl play this game. this grown ass man has no idea hes is doing the same shit he is criticizing others for, just completely blind to it lol. the phoenix forums always deliver top notch quality.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:35 PM by inoeth

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say. Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

i think someone got killed in a rvr zone here^^

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:50 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:06 AM
If he were a wizard demanding baseline bolt get removed from all realms because "2 bolts is too many" that would be hypocrisy, because eld/rm would be reduced to 1 but the wiz can pick up 2 via splitspec

Him asking for SL to be removed while using SL is not hypocrisy because he too would be unable to use it after it were removed

This is as stupid as calling any TWF user who wanted TWF to have LOS checks hypocrites

so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?

The requested change is not a change in behavior, it's the removal of an item

Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:55 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:50 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:06 AM
If he were a wizard demanding baseline bolt get removed from all realms because "2 bolts is too many" that would be hypocrisy, because eld/rm would be reduced to 1 but the wiz can pick up 2 via splitspec

Him asking for SL to be removed while using SL is not hypocrisy because he too would be unable to use it after it were removed

This is as stupid as calling any TWF user who wanted TWF to have LOS checks hypocrites

so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?
The requested change is not a change in behavior, it's the removal of an item

ty for removing the last half of the quote where i elaborate how its pretty much the same thing. context is important.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:04 PM by Noashakra

Ah yeah the 8man group farming solos and small man near the hotspots and bridges, and yelling during their 8vs8 to disengage and farm the 1 or two people who added, telling the solos are lame for going after easy kills.
The classic double standards.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:40 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:55 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:50 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?
The requested change is not a change in behavior, it's the removal of an item

ty for removing the last half of the quote where i elaborate how its pretty much the same thing. context is important.

This?

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them

Where?

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.

someone in his group

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:44 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:40 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:55 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:50 PM
The requested change is not a change in behavior, it's the removal of an item

ty for removing the last half of the quote where i elaborate how its pretty much the same thing. context is important.

This?
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them
Where?

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
someone in his group

ima just post it since you are playing games and somehow think its not hypocritical. idk what to say. also apparently the op isnt calling for a removal and jsut wants it "tinkered". so idk what to say about that part of it.

so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?
ok, good to know.
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
only difference is if SL is removed the groups wont be able to stomp his group as easily; however, they will still be preying on solos with even less repercussions.
but its fine. the stealth zerg nerf is coming! and yes, a group of stealthers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:47 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:44 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:40 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:55 PM
ty for removing the last half of the quote where i elaborate how its pretty much the same thing. context is important.

This?
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them
Where?

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
someone in his group

ima just post it since you are playing games and somehow think its not hypocritical. idk what to say. also apparently the op isnt calling for a removal and jsut wants it "tinkered". so idk what to say about that part of it.

so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?
ok, good to know.
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
only difference is if SL is removed the groups wont be able to stomp his group as easily; however, they will still be preying on solos with even less repercussions.
but its fine. the stealth zerg nerf is coming! and yes, a group of stealthers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg.

'Hypocrisy' still doesn't fit without the headcanon you added in

Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:51 PM by Riac

just gonna have to agree to disagree i suppose.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:47 PM by Mavella

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:04 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:39 AM
you mean 5k of those solo kills came from when the server first launched in OF and greens and blues going out and suicide. stop trying to act tough and sugar coating your numbers. you forget vets play this who know you are =)

Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

that's why I don't by into there BS it's all lies. Everyone knows Mave hella abused that shit now he is trying to act tough for it but will never ever fight my mini. Truth is SL is to strong does not need removed it needs tinkered. A high RR stealther you will hardly see with SL that is fair. But it seems RR6 below with stealth lore pots I can spot from a mile away. how is this fair?

Yes I'm sure both you clowns are above killing solos with stealth groups, killing xpers, or killing task suiciders. Please also don't act like the solos/lesser numbers you both gleefully gangbang stand any more chance vs 3-4 of you than a level 36+ person does vs a 50. I had a pretty simple philosophy. If something was worth RPs i'd kill it. If it was someone coming to do a turn in at a dock I'd kill them once and let them get their turn if they returned. If someone is coming out solo looking for solo fights I wouldn't zerg them because I want them to keep coming out. I'd show others respect in the hopes they would return the favor when they ran up in me fighting. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. If they routinely added me I'd gladly return the favor. Fairly simple. My disdain for stealth zergers come purely from the fact they do nothing but abuse perma stealth to grief lesser numbers and avoid anything resembling a fair fight. It's literally the most pathetic playstyle this game has to offer.

As for fighting your mini. I have no idea who you are from any number of faceless minis out there. The routine is always the same. Look for easy kills while you've got 3-5 cooldowns up and when they are on cooldown check the XP spots for easy kills while they cycle. I'd fight minsts and when they blow all their cooldowns i'd just vanish if I wasn't going to get the kill. Trading 3-5 15 minute cooldowns for 1 15 minute cooldown was still a victory in my book. It got them to fuck off for a while as 99% of them did nothing but add anyway. A good minst with CDs up should be uncatchable/unkillable for an SB one a gap was created. Fortunately for every good minst there was about half a dozen bad ones.

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say. Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

Please READ the topic of the post. Clearly the OP wants the pots removed. Do I care to read through his wall of text rantings to see if his position changed mid-thead? No not really because the potions are balanced and if anything possibly under powered. His clear motivation is that his stealth groups are getting ferreted out and squashed by smallmans and FGs. This is working as intended. It's no one else's fault but their own if it keeps happening to them. Stealth groups should not be allowed to operate with total impunity to flatten anything they perceive to not be a threat to them.

You're welcome to post videos of me doing this "Suicide mechanic" as I don't recall it being a thing to begin with. Please also post these videos of stealth groups fighting equal number small mans. Please put up or shut the fuck up already.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:49 PM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:44 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 4:40 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:55 PM
ty for removing the last half of the quote where i elaborate how its pretty much the same thing. context is important.

This?
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them
Where?

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:09 AM
, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
someone in his group

ima just post it since you are playing games and somehow think its not hypocritical. idk what to say. also apparently the op isnt calling for a removal and jsut wants it "tinkered". so idk what to say about that part of it.

so a person complaining about a certain behavior while doing that very thing that they are complaining about isnt hypocritical?
ok, good to know.
hes literally complaining about groups popping SL on his group and raping them, while his GROUP of stealthers pop SLs on solo stealthers and rape them.
only difference is if SL is removed the groups wont be able to stomp his group as easily; however, they will still be preying on solos with even less repercussions.
but its fine. the stealth zerg nerf is coming! and yes, a group of stealthers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg.

So yes, I am a hypocrite in this situation.. I use them all the time, can't hide that fact.. Do I run with the zerg? lol no... I've always just ran with my crew of 3-4(4 most of the time) to a FG, that doesn't = a zerg unless we're outnumbering out target(s) Tired of people saying OMG STEALTH ZERG AT BENO BRIDGE... we go there and it's fucking 4 sneaks... you all are clowns lol.. Once you can establish what a zerg is properly then I can take your comments more serious about said zergs. The fact still remains that SL pots are being quaffed by FG synergy of visies that only use them when they know they can net a kill rather than having the stealther USE HIS STEALTH SKILL... lol Glad we have a skill where it's our ONLY set-up to get kills is through stealth just for it to not matter in most variables.

And no a group of stealthers means just that... a damn group... NOT a zerg... Plus why complain about a group you KNOW HAS NO SYNERGY, just dps.... LOL ffs but we need to learn to play!? goodness... Other than being ganked how else are you being killed here on phoenix? lol shut up...

But yes, I am a hypocrite in this situation.. Yes I use them, how else am I supposed to know it's mechanics first hand? How else are we supposed to know how it works fully if we don't use them to see how it's done? How would anyone know if they haven't tried it to see it's range on a visie or sneak? lol tf...

So if we're not hypocrites how are we supposed to know how it works? You'd rather us be people who never tried the SL pot to give our 2 cents on how ez mode it is? or are we just supposed to aimlessly bitch about it?

I'll make sure I bitch about something I have no knowledge on next time for you.... This is how shit get's broken on phoenix.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:07 PM by Noashakra

4/5 people killing solos = zerg. Assume what your are.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:19 PM by Sepplord

If that guys a performance artist...i would at least call it a good show. A bit too unbelieveable in some parts but overall a good act

I am really torn if it is carefully crafted with special bits that purposely try to bait us into some kind of "aha THATs where you went wrong" or if it just sincerely being oblivious. I really need a few more "episodes" to make up my mind. Maybe the spinoff will reply to mavella's perfect finish line too in the meantime.

So tense right now, i almost couldnt resist with all the different points just begging to be corrected 😁

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:41 PM by paqdizzle

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:19 PM
If that guys a performance artist...i would at least call it a good show. A bit too unbelieveable in some parts but overall a good act

I am really torn if it is carefully crafted with special bits that purposely try to bait us into some kind of "aha THATs where you went wrong" or if it just sincerely being oblivious. I really need a few more "episodes" to make up my mind. Maybe the spinoff will reply to mavella's perfect finish line too in the meantime.

So tense right now, i almost couldnt resist with all the different points just begging to be corrected 😁

The conclusion for me is that SL pots make it too easy to find sneaks in most variables. Some form of mitigation would ease the situation overall. I use them, I see people use them to not die OR get an easy kill. I don't see many using them to find fair fights or even fights.. It's mainly used for the soul purpose to find a stealther(s) in which case it works, that's what they were built for I get it ^^

But with the current state of sneaks on phoenix, it's uncalled for. Maybe if Scouts did their full bow damage, and PA actually did it's full damage I wouldn't bat an eye at SL pots and they would actually be welcomed by me here on phoenix. BUT seeing how the current state of sneaks are on Phoenix (unless you're high enough RR to still be a beast, which most classes high RR can be) I don't think it's called for.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:24 PM by paqdizzle

I guess I'll have to start recording again so I can make a montage of how RvR on Phoenix really goes down... I wont even be the one fighting or engaging.. just watching so you can see. 2 days ago, yesterday, It happened all day for the most part. I'll be with the BG, I'll be solo, and in small mans, and FGs so you can see every aspect that I see.

I'll also make a montage of me solo, just popping in and out of stealth near a FG or small man(but synergy groups specifically) so you can see what they do to a solo.. or "Try" to do... Then I'll make a montage of me using SL pots to just knock a sneak out when there is a FG of allies near by to show you how cheesy it really is.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:31 PM by paqdizzle

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:07 PM
4/5 people killing solos = zerg. Assume what your are.

Seeing how zerg by definition is this... duh. Now think about this, that same Zerg of 4-5, are they a zerg still if another 4-5 show up to fight them? is this fight now a zerg vs zerg fight even though the total of people fighting is barely a FG? lol in DAoC, if you're considered a zerg, you are in a BG or FG+... Stop calling small mans zergs even though you GOT zerged by them if you're solo... you GOT zerged, they are NOT a zerg... holy.... shit... Nouns and Verbs are a son of a bitch..

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:44 PM by Azrael

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers.

hahahahahahhahahaha
The only situation with same numbers is when they gank on the relic door and more people come out by accident.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:52 PM by Astaa

No thanks, when some chancer assassin tries his luck against me then bottles it to leave me stood there 1m diseased with a lifebain tick I want to be able to continue the fight.

Pick better targets. You actually have the choice.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 10:18 PM by Quik

Astaa wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:52 PM
No thanks, when some chancer assassin tries his luck against me then bottles it to leave me stood there 1m diseased with a lifebain tick I want to be able to continue the fight.

Pick better targets. You actually have the choice.

This is the main reason I prefer SL pots left alone.

An assassin wants to jump me and then wants to vanish because they start losing the fight? SL pot says you are SOL this time.

I'm sorry I have zero pity for stealthers who want to complain now that visibles might be able to pick the fight they want and gank some stealthers, when stealthers have been trying to do the same for years.

Sorry I don't feel bad at all.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 12:15 AM by paqdizzle

Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 10:18 PM
Astaa wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:52 PM
No thanks, when some chancer assassin tries his luck against me then bottles it to leave me stood there 1m diseased with a lifebain tick I want to be able to continue the fight.

Pick better targets. You actually have the choice.

This is the main reason I prefer SL pots left alone.

An assassin wants to jump me and then wants to vanish because they start losing the fight? SL pot says you are SOL this time.

I'm sorry I have zero pity for stealthers who want to complain now that visibles might be able to pick the fight they want and gank some stealthers, when stealthers have been trying to do the same for years.

Sorry I don't feel bad at all.

It's not an assassin if he isn't able to assassinate. so maybe use a different word for them lol

You think a solo scout wants to jump out on ANY class on this server? Better be higher than rr5 LOL... we don't get vanish, in fact only 3 classes get it. the other 3 (sneak wise) just have stealth.

We're not asking you to feel bad or wrong for using it.. we just know it's EZ mode as you described. I wouldn't even protest if they removed Vanish but only IF they fixed PA and scouts bow damage... otherwise it's over the top, clearly.

You think we should bitch about purge cause when I slam someone they start losing the fight but they purge... now they are winning lol ffs..

Tue 21 Apr 2020 5:01 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 12:15 AM
Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 10:18 PM
Astaa wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:52 PM
No thanks, when some chancer assassin tries his luck against me then bottles it to leave me stood there 1m diseased with a lifebain tick I want to be able to continue the fight.

Pick better targets. You actually have the choice.

This is the main reason I prefer SL pots left alone.

An assassin wants to jump me and then wants to vanish because they start losing the fight? SL pot says you are SOL this time.

I'm sorry I have zero pity for stealthers who want to complain now that visibles might be able to pick the fight they want and gank some stealthers, when stealthers have been trying to do the same for years.

Sorry I don't feel bad at all.

It's not an assassin if he isn't able to assassinate. so maybe use a different word for them lol
You think a solo scout wants to jump out on ANY class on this server? Better be higher than rr5 LOL... we don't get vanish, in fact only 3 classes get it. the other 3 (sneak wise) just have stealth.

We're not asking you to feel bad or wrong for using it.. we just know it's EZ mode as you described. I wouldn't even protest if they removed Vanish but only IF they fixed PA and scouts bow damage... otherwise it's over the top, clearly.

You think we should bitch about purge cause when I slam someone they start losing the fight but they purge... now they are winning lol ffs..

gonna help you out since you out. you keep trying to use these academic definitions and pretend like we dont know what we are talking about.
https://www.google.com/search?q=colloquial+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=collo&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0l5.1998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
col·lo·qui·al- (of language) used in ordinary or familiar conversation; not formal or literary.
this is why 3-5 stealthers is a zerg. youre not fighting even fights. no one here is stupid enough to believe that shit. id imagine half the ppl you are calling dumb is higher RR than you are and knows way more about how fights play out than you do.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 6:54 AM by Noashakra

Fix PA dmg... Assassins are in a good spot, what are you speaking about? They have a chance against all classes...

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:08 AM by paqdizzle

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 6:54 AM
Fix PA dmg... Assassins are in a good spot, what are you speaking about? They have a chance against all classes...

Due to poisons/viper buff on this server.. if you don't remember I suggest watching some youtube on "daoc perf" and watch.. PA used to deal 800 give or take on most if not all casters.. what is it now? hahahaha, I had to look up some videos of what PA used to do when viper and poisons weren't buffed out the arse. came up with a few videos that displayed the old fashioned PA.. gotta look for videos before the nerf.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:23 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 5:01 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 12:15 AM
Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 10:18 PM
This is the main reason I prefer SL pots left alone.

An assassin wants to jump me and then wants to vanish because they start losing the fight? SL pot says you are SOL this time.

I'm sorry I have zero pity for stealthers who want to complain now that visibles might be able to pick the fight they want and gank some stealthers, when stealthers have been trying to do the same for years.

Sorry I don't feel bad at all.

It's not an assassin if he isn't able to assassinate. so maybe use a different word for them lol
You think a solo scout wants to jump out on ANY class on this server? Better be higher than rr5 LOL... we don't get vanish, in fact only 3 classes get it. the other 3 (sneak wise) just have stealth.

We're not asking you to feel bad or wrong for using it.. we just know it's EZ mode as you described. I wouldn't even protest if they removed Vanish but only IF they fixed PA and scouts bow damage... otherwise it's over the top, clearly.

You think we should bitch about purge cause when I slam someone they start losing the fight but they purge... now they are winning lol ffs..

gonna help you out since you out. you keep trying to use these academic definitions and pretend like we dont know what we are talking about.
https://www.google.com/search?q=colloquial+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=collo&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0l5.1998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
col·lo·qui·al- (of language) used in ordinary or familiar conversation; not formal or literary.
this is why 3-5 stealthers is a zerg. youre not fighting even fights. no one here is stupid enough to believe that shit. id imagine half the ppl you are calling dumb is higher RR than you are and knows way more about how fights play out than you do.

it's not about using academic definitions.. it's about what literally happens. 3-4 sneaks or even 4-5 sneaks, hell even a FG of sneaks still doesn't compare to a synergy group... if you're solo and you get ran over by a full visie group do you bitch the same way about getting zerged? I bet not... Nobody seems to bat an eye but if a smaller less synergy group of sneaks do it - it's ZOMG REEEEEEE...

Last I checked I'm #10 scout on the server and #5 last week... and I don't run in "zergs", usually 3man or the occasional 5-to-FG when my friends are on. We actually have a code to not be douche bags when in RvR situations. We don't gray gank, nor do we gank expers to net our RPs. There are in fact a lot like us here that do this and still when 1 sneak does it, they blame all of us. I can care less who zergs or ganks, but I sure as hell don't do it. What I do care about and when I do care about the zergs/ganks it's usually done to someone else and I get to watch. I see it and just feel the pain.

NOW back to the OP, SL pots don't fit with the current system in place as a sneak.
or do I need to come back when I'm rr9+ and then repost my opinion? or do I need a specific amount of solo kills too? or how about hours played? damn, what makes me gud?

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:24 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:08 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 6:54 AM
Fix PA dmg... Assassins are in a good spot, what are you speaking about? They have a chance against all classes...

Due to poisons/viper buff on this server.. if you don't remember I suggest watching some youtube on "daoc perf" and watch.. PA used to deal 800 give or take on most if not all casters.. what is it now? hahahaha, I had to look up some videos of what PA used to do when viper and poisons weren't buffed out the arse. came up with a few videos that displayed the old fashioned PA.. gotta look for videos before the nerf.

wasnt aware that poisons and viper were buffed here. we dont even have the benefit of lifebane reapplies due to /switch.
also a lot of those videos have leggy weaps and stuff so it can be a bit misleading. however, pa is def weak here but i do think sins are in a nice spot except vs a few classes. pretty much BMs and mercs i dont fuck with.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:25 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:23 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 5:01 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 12:15 AM
It's not an assassin if he isn't able to assassinate. so maybe use a different word for them lol
You think a solo scout wants to jump out on ANY class on this server? Better be higher than rr5 LOL... we don't get vanish, in fact only 3 classes get it. the other 3 (sneak wise) just have stealth.

We're not asking you to feel bad or wrong for using it.. we just know it's EZ mode as you described. I wouldn't even protest if they removed Vanish but only IF they fixed PA and scouts bow damage... otherwise it's over the top, clearly.

You think we should bitch about purge cause when I slam someone they start losing the fight but they purge... now they are winning lol ffs..

gonna help you out since you out. you keep trying to use these academic definitions and pretend like we dont know what we are talking about.
https://www.google.com/search?q=colloquial+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=collo&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0l5.1998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
col·lo·qui·al- (of language) used in ordinary or familiar conversation; not formal or literary.
this is why 3-5 stealthers is a zerg. youre not fighting even fights. no one here is stupid enough to believe that shit. id imagine half the ppl you are calling dumb is higher RR than you are and knows way more about how fights play out than you do.

it's not about using academic definitions.. it's about what literally happens. 3-4 sneaks or even 4-5 sneaks, hell even a FG of sneaks still doesn't compare to a synergy group... if you're solo and you get ran over by a full visie group do you bitch the same way about getting zerged? I bet not... Nobody seems to bat an eye but if a smaller less synergy group of sneaks do it - it's ZOMG REEEEEEE...

Last I checked I'm #10 scout on the server and #5 last week... and I don't run in "zergs", usually 3man or the occasional 5-to-FG when my friends are on. We actually have a code to not be douche bags when in RvR situations. We don't gray gank, nor do we gank expers to net our RPs. There are in fact a lot like us here that do this and still when 1 sneak does it, they blame all of us. I can care less who zergs or ganks, but I sure as hell don't do it. What I do care about and when I do care about the zergs/ganks it's usually done to someone else and I get to watch. I see it and just feel the pain.

NOW back to the OP, SL pots don't fit with the current system in place as a sneak.
or do I need to come back when I'm rr9+ and then repost? or do I need a specific amount of solo kills too? or how about hours played? damn, what makes me gud?

must really suck putting all that time into a scout. imagine if you had rolled a real class lol. now all you have is an 8l5 piece of shit char.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:39 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:25 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:23 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 5:01 AM
gonna help you out since you out. you keep trying to use these academic definitions and pretend like we dont know what we are talking about.
https://www.google.com/search?q=colloquial+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=collo&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j0l5.1998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
col·lo·qui·al- (of language) used in ordinary or familiar conversation; not formal or literary.
this is why 3-5 stealthers is a zerg. youre not fighting even fights. no one here is stupid enough to believe that shit. id imagine half the ppl you are calling dumb is higher RR than you are and knows way more about how fights play out than you do.

it's not about using academic definitions.. it's about what literally happens. 3-4 sneaks or even 4-5 sneaks, hell even a FG of sneaks still doesn't compare to a synergy group... if you're solo and you get ran over by a full visie group do you bitch the same way about getting zerged? I bet not... Nobody seems to bat an eye but if a smaller less synergy group of sneaks do it - it's ZOMG REEEEEEE...

Last I checked I'm #10 scout on the server and #5 last week... and I don't run in "zergs", usually 3man or the occasional 5-to-FG when my friends are on. We actually have a code to not be douche bags when in RvR situations. We don't gray gank, nor do we gank expers to net our RPs. There are in fact a lot like us here that do this and still when 1 sneak does it, they blame all of us. I can care less who zergs or ganks, but I sure as hell don't do it. What I do care about and when I do care about the zergs/ganks it's usually done to someone else and I get to watch. I see it and just feel the pain.

NOW back to the OP, SL pots don't fit with the current system in place as a sneak.
or do I need to come back when I'm rr9+ and then repost? or do I need a specific amount of solo kills too? or how about hours played? damn, what makes me gud?

must really suck putting all that time into a scout. imagine if you had rolled a real class lol. now all you have is an 8l5 piece of shit char.

you know what else sucks? knowing I'm missing out on 200 extra bow damage per shot lol.. But that's besides the point.. SL pots are ruining the competitive nature that DAoC used to have at one point for sneaks.

as an assassin, I've seen a pally win(duel), Ranger win, BD win, merc win(duel), reaver win(duel), enchanter win, a smite cleric(duel), Hero win, SB win, NS win, and a thane win ALL 1v1 situations. Who? Songoku, one of the more experienced sneaks on alb side.. Dunno if he plays anymore but I used to watch him destroy in 1v1s.. but I've also seen him get his fair share of ass whoopins 1v1.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:42 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:39 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:25 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:23 AM
it's not about using academic definitions.. it's about what literally happens. 3-4 sneaks or even 4-5 sneaks, hell even a FG of sneaks still doesn't compare to a synergy group... if you're solo and you get ran over by a full visie group do you bitch the same way about getting zerged? I bet not... Nobody seems to bat an eye but if a smaller less synergy group of sneaks do it - it's ZOMG REEEEEEE...

Last I checked I'm #10 scout on the server and #5 last week... and I don't run in "zergs", usually 3man or the occasional 5-to-FG when my friends are on. We actually have a code to not be douche bags when in RvR situations. We don't gray gank, nor do we gank expers to net our RPs. There are in fact a lot like us here that do this and still when 1 sneak does it, they blame all of us. I can care less who zergs or ganks, but I sure as hell don't do it. What I do care about and when I do care about the zergs/ganks it's usually done to someone else and I get to watch. I see it and just feel the pain.

NOW back to the OP, SL pots don't fit with the current system in place as a sneak.
or do I need to come back when I'm rr9+ and then repost? or do I need a specific amount of solo kills too? or how about hours played? damn, what makes me gud?

must really suck putting all that time into a scout. imagine if you had rolled a real class lol. now all you have is an 8l5 piece of shit char.

you know what else sucks? knowing I'm missing out on 200 extra bow damage per shot lol.. But that's besides the point.. SL pots are ruining the competitive nature that DAoC used to have at one point for sneaks.

as an assassin, I've seen a pally win(duel), Ranger win, BD win, merc win(duel), reaver win(duel), enchanter win, a smite cleric(duel), Hero win, SB win, NS win, and a thane win ALL 1v1 situations. Who? Songoku, one of the more experienced sneaks on alb side.. Dunno if he plays anymore but I used to watch him destroy in 1v1s.. but I've also seen him get his fair share of ass whoopins 1v1.

the bold and underlined portion is so fucking rich coming from a stealth zerger that i cant even bare it lol. holy shit, cant believe you said that lololol.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:42 AM by paqdizzle

This is straying away from the OP too far though don't you think? rofl XD

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:46 AM by Noashakra

Zerg = overwhelming your opponotents with numbers.
3/4 people ganking on solo is a zerg.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:48 AM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:46 AM
Zerg = overwhelming your opponotents with numbers.
3/4 people ganking on solo is a zerg.

What 3 or 4 guys vs one guy is not a zerg this is more a gangbang :-D

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:10 AM by paqdizzle

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:46 AM
Zerg = overwhelming your opponotents with numbers.
3/4 people ganking on solo is a zerg.

3/4 people ganking on solo is "Zerging" that solo... This does not make them a "zerg".
otherwise what would you call those 3/4 vs another 3/4? zerg vs zerg? no..

Zerging is what they did vs that solo. Zerg they are not.
if you want to see a zerg, it's usually a BG full of people. not 3/4. lol.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:16 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:14 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:10 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 7:46 AM
Zerg = overwhelming your opponotents with numbers.
3/4 people ganking on solo is a zerg.

3/4 people ganking on solo is "Zerging" that solo... This does not make them a "zerg".
otherwise what would you call those 3/4 vs another 3/4? zerg vs zerg? no..

Zerging is what they did vs that solo. Zerg they are not.
if you want to see a zerg, it's usually a BG full of people. not 3/4. lol.

see what i mean. this pseudo-academic bullshit you are pulling out. trying to differentiate the action verb from the noun.
read the definition idiot.
https://www.google.com/search?q=colloquial+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=coll&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0j46l2j69i60l3.1135j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's common sense bud.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:17 AM by Riac

you are arguing in bad faith at this point. splitting hairs to detract from a relevant point.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:18 AM by Sepplord

at least he is derailing his own thread and not a real discussion

the easiest way to stop it is to ignore it though...he is just baiting with such obvious remarks

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:22 AM by paqdizzle

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:18 AM
at least he is derailing his own thread and not a real discussion

the easiest way to stop it is to ignore it though...he is just baiting with such obvious remarks

How so? (this isn't my thread) lol

Riac is so triggered he can't stay with the OP and veers off road a lot.
You honestly don't deserve any rights to speak on this post anymore and have been reported. I hope that's rich.

so again: SL pots with the current state of sneaks on this server doesn't fit. and creates a heavy imbalance towards sneaks. Unless mitigated, it will make those who aren't already high RR suffer the most.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:23 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:21 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:18 AM
at least he is derailing his own thread and not a real discussion

the easiest way to stop it is to ignore it though...he is just baiting with such obvious remarks

its just ironic hearing about the competative spirit of daoc stealthers being killed from a stealther that is 8l5 with 140 solo kills lol. what a fucking joke.
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Paquette
#10 scout on the server l fucking mao
#10 idiot that played a useless class to 8l5.
#10 leecher on the server.

lol hey now, I got those 140 solo kills before the bow nerf. Then I made friends lol my bad?

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:24 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:22 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:18 AM
at least he is derailing his own thread and not a real discussion

the easiest way to stop it is to ignore it though...he is just baiting with such obvious remarks

How so? (this isn't my thread) lol

Riac is so triggered he can't stay with the OP and veers off road a lot.
You honestly don't deserve any rights to speak on this post anymore and have been reported. I hope that's rich.

so again: SL pots with the current state of sneaks on this server doesn't fit. and creates a heavy imbalance towards sneaks. Unless mitigated, it will make those who aren't already high RR suffer the most.

o god ive been reported rofl.... no one cares.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:26 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:24 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:22 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:18 AM
at least he is derailing his own thread and not a real discussion

the easiest way to stop it is to ignore it though...he is just baiting with such obvious remarks

How so? (this isn't my thread) lol

Riac is so triggered he can't stay with the OP and veers off road a lot.
You honestly don't deserve any rights to speak on this post anymore and have been reported. I hope that's rich.

so again: SL pots with the current state of sneaks on this server doesn't fit. and creates a heavy imbalance towards sneaks. Unless mitigated, it will make those who aren't already high RR suffer the most.
o god ive been reported rofl.... no one cares.

What is getting under your skin so deeply? At least tell me about it so we can talk about it. Let me know what is hurting you.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:35 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:26 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:24 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:22 AM
How so? (this isn't my thread) lol

Riac is so triggered he can't stay with the OP and veers off road a lot.
You honestly don't deserve any rights to speak on this post anymore and have been reported. I hope that's rich.

so again: SL pots with the current state of sneaks on this server doesn't fit. and creates a heavy imbalance towards sneaks. Unless mitigated, it will make those who aren't already high RR suffer the most.
o god ive been reported rofl.... no one cares.

What is getting under your skin so deeply? At least tell me about it so we can talk about it. Let me know what is hurting you.

nothing is bothering me. it's the middle of the night and i'm doing HW / taking runs... arguing with a dumbass on the internet between CDs is entertainment.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:43 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:35 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:26 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:24 AM
o god ive been reported rofl.... no one cares.

What is getting under your skin so deeply? At least tell me about it so we can talk about it. Let me know what is hurting you.
nothing is bothering me. it's the middle of the night and i'm doing HW / taking runs... arguing with a dumbass on the internet between CDs is entertainment.

but you're arguing about something that doesn't pertain to the OP.. you're just foaming from the mouth at me for being "#10 leech". You're also assuming my playstyle, you also assume I'm just a scrub who hasn't played this fucking game since you had to zone into buildings/houses in cotswold.. I've been here since day 1 and I know exactly what changes were made to these classes/abilities to know where SL pots fit and where they do not.

You're just some mad person with thin skin, online arguing with someone who knows wtf their talking about and seem to think of only insults and ignorance. You add nothing to this OP but frustration and lies..

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:48 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:43 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:35 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:26 AM
What is getting under your skin so deeply? At least tell me about it so we can talk about it. Let me know what is hurting you.
nothing is bothering me. it's the middle of the night and i'm doing HW / taking runs... arguing with a dumbass on the internet between CDs is entertainment.

but you're arguing about something that doesn't pertain to the OP.. you're just foaming from the mouth at me for being "#10 leech". You're also assuming my playstyle, you also assume I'm just a scrub who hasn't played this fucking game since you had to zone into buildings/houses in cotswold.. I've been here since day 1 and I know exactly what changes were made to these classes/abilities to know where SL pots fit and where they do not.

You're just some mad person with thin skin, online arguing with someone who knows wtf their talking about and seem to think of only insults and ignorance. You add nothing to this OP but frustration and lies..

lol ok, you still didnt explain how viper/poisons were buffed here, especially considering we cant even spam lifebanes, like we could back when you had to zone into houses or w/e dumbass shit you were talking about lol.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 AM by Riac

honestly, i really hope they dont change sl pots at all. i love that they stomp you and your friends lol.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:00 AM by Sepplord

Ok then, let's try and get back to the discussion...
I was wrong that it is paqdizzles post, but as an advocate for the change you surely are also more intrested in the discussion than the flamewar with Riac

So, what are the facts?

The tooltip claims 250additional units, and from my PoV that seems correct. Most stealth are not seen very far, even with SL pot active. Stealthers themselves will get the bonus on top of their already increased detection range.

RR does not influence how well you detect others (elaborate what you mean when you hint at high-RRs being less influenced by the groups uncovering them)

Using SL uses the potion timer, restricting the use of other potions (<--not 100% certain and can't access my PC to check, can anyone clarify?)

Potions are "easy" but timeconsuming to farm (2towerraids per potion)

In this RA setting normally there would be MOS9 archers available to sweep out stealthers at a bonus detection range of 625units. The SL-Pot equivalent in MOS would be between MOS4 (235units) and MOS5 (300units)
Feel free to add any argument/information i forgot...i just wrote this from the top of my head and didn'T go back to gather everything that was mentioned so far.

Overall i don't think that overview warrants a nerf of the potion. I agree though that one minute duration isn't neccesary and a rework to shorter-timer but increased-detection aka ghetto-truesight would make more sense and allow for the specific flushing out of known stealth positions without causing collateral because you have the buff up for 45seconds after clearing out the targetted area and randomly stumbling over someone else.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:06 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 AM
honestly, i really hope they dont change sl pots at all. i love that they stomp you and your friends lol.

They get me caught for sure

almost always even if I'm out of the way :/
almost like I'm getting radar'ed.

But more often than that is, I get to watch fully synergized 8mans stomp out solos at docks/bridges/flags/keeps/towers, then run away when another 8man shows up.. THATS skills.

PS. "Viper values have been increased from 5, 10, 20, 30, 40% to 10, 25, 35, 50, 75%"
"weaponskill / con debuff implemented (poisons will be changed while the server is running)"
"wskill debuff should affect defense penetration"
"with wskill debuff working correctly now, the debuffed wskill % has been reduced for the enervating poison. For the level 47 one it should now have the same effect against all weapon users as the original 118 str debuff had against str weapon users. The end result is that it is still about twice as effective as it was before the last update."

uhhh.... k...

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:14 AM by Sepplord

That viper-"buff" came in the same patch where poisonapplication was heavily nerfed.
When you nerf poison-dmg and then buff viper, you can call it a viperbuff, but it is a heavy misrepresentation of the overall change. Poisondamage was still reduced for high-viper assassins. For the low and medium RRs that didn't have viper it was even worse.

but, nothing of that has to do with SL-potions

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:15 AM by Razur Ur

Group size in this game is 8man and two 8man calling we since 2002 as 16slot = two groups and all over this size of two groups is a zerg (17+ Players) ;-)

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:15 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:06 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 AM
honestly, i really hope they dont change sl pots at all. i love that they stomp you and your friends lol.

They get me caught for sure almost always even if I'm out of the way :/
almost like I'm getting radar'ed.

But more often than that is, I get to watch fully synergized 8mans stomp out solos at docks/bridges/flags/keeps/towers, then run away when another 8man shows up.. THATS skills.

PS. "Viper values have been increased from 5, 10, 20, 30, 40% to 10, 25, 35, 50, 75%"
"weaponskill / con debuff implemented (poisons will be changed while the server is running)"
"wskill debuff should affect defense penetration"
"with wskill debuff working correctly now, the debuffed wskill % has been reduced for the enervating poison. For the level 47 one it should now have the same effect against all weapon users as the original 118 str debuff had against str weapon users. The end result is that it is still about twice as effective as it was before the last update."

uhhh.... k...

radar doesnt work on stealthed ppl.
i 100% love when groups get jumped for desticking to look for stealthers. thats the best thing in this game, aside from when im fighting someone and s1 tries to "help" me and i just let the enemy whip the adders ass. thats another personal fav.
when was viper 5 40% ? for as long as i recall viper 5 was always 102 dmg.
idk enough about this ws/con debuff poison to comment on it. however, if it were just str/con like it was back in the day im sure ns would be crying about it. (opinion)

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:22 AM by paqdizzle

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:00 AM
Ok then, let's try and get back to the discussion...
I was wrong that it is paqdizzles post, but as an advocate for the change you surely are also more intrested in the discussion than the flamewar with Riac

So, what are the facts?

The tooltip claims 250additional units, and from my PoV that seems correct. Most stealth are not seen very far, even with SL pot active. Stealthers themselves will get the bonus on top of their already increased detection range.

RR does not influence how well you detect others (elaborate what you mean when you hint at high-RRs being less influenced by the groups uncovering them)

Using SL uses the potion timer, restricting the use of other potions (<--not 100% certain and can't access my PC to check, can anyone clarify?)

Potions are "easy" but timeconsuming to farm (2towerraids per potion)

In this RA setting normally there would be MOS9 archers available to sweep out stealthers at a bonus detection range of 625units. The SL-Pot equivalent in MOS would be between MOS4 (235units) and MOS5 (300units)

Feel free to add any argument/information i forgot...i just wrote this from the top of my head and didn'T go back to gather everything that was mentioned so far.

Overall i don't think that overview warrants a nerf of the potion. I agree though that one minute duration isn't neccesary and a rework to shorter-timer but increased-detection aka ghetto-truesight would make more sense and allow for the specific flushing out of known stealth positions without causing collateral because you have the buff up for 45seconds after clearing out the targetted area and randomly stumbling over someone else.

Thanks for actually posting this without flak.
Much appreciated. My only buggaboo really is that when you're stealth, you're moving in slow motion. those who are running speed can cover a large portion of ground and quite often find sneaks without SL pots due to this speed. add in an extra 250 units of being able to find someone stealth and they don't need to take much time to spot ya if you're anywhere near them(clip range) not all the time, but when I do see it, the majority of people using these pots- are in fact 8man full synergy groups trying to get a quick gank. I was on at beno just about an hour ago and for a good hour+ there was a FG mids that kept taking the boat and jumping off just to gank solos. When they saw someone go stealth, they would use SL preemptively out of graphic range for those to see they just used SL, and then spread out with speed and find that solo almost instantly... rinse repeat/boat/disembark and SL is still up lol..

I would love for the timer on it to be more impacting to the user. 10-30 seconds would suit the server better than a whole minute. And even a re-use timer so they can't have perma SL..

It just feels like a skill-less item being 1min long. Seeing how most people using SL pots are in fact people who know they can handle that sneak. otherwise who would want to use an SL pot to find someone who can kill them? lol nobody...

in fact all day today that's the variable I saw the most.. a few sneaks getting popped by a full group of people that KNEW they could get the gank with SL pot. without SL pots, they just left those sneaks be and went to a different objective. People only want the easy gank on this server, there are truly only a handfull of decent players that want the fair fight/challenge of even numbered fights. sucks :/

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:33 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:22 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:00 AM
Ok then, let's try and get back to the discussion...
I was wrong that it is paqdizzles post, but as an advocate for the change you surely are also more intrested in the discussion than the flamewar with Riac

So, what are the facts?

The tooltip claims 250additional units, and from my PoV that seems correct. Most stealth are not seen very far, even with SL pot active. Stealthers themselves will get the bonus on top of their already increased detection range.

RR does not influence how well you detect others (elaborate what you mean when you hint at high-RRs being less influenced by the groups uncovering them)

Using SL uses the potion timer, restricting the use of other potions (<--not 100% certain and can't access my PC to check, can anyone clarify?)

Potions are "easy" but timeconsuming to farm (2towerraids per potion)

In this RA setting normally there would be MOS9 archers available to sweep out stealthers at a bonus detection range of 625units. The SL-Pot equivalent in MOS would be between MOS4 (235units) and MOS5 (300units)

Feel free to add any argument/information i forgot...i just wrote this from the top of my head and didn'T go back to gather everything that was mentioned so far.

Overall i don't think that overview warrants a nerf of the potion. I agree though that one minute duration isn't neccesary and a rework to shorter-timer but increased-detection aka ghetto-truesight would make more sense and allow for the specific flushing out of known stealth positions without causing collateral because you have the buff up for 45seconds after clearing out the targetted area and randomly stumbling over someone else.

Thanks for actually posting this without flak.
Much appreciated. My only buggaboo really is that when you're stealth, you're moving in slow motion. those who are running speed can cover a large portion of ground and quite often find sneaks without SL pots due to this speed. add in an extra 250 units of being able to find someone stealth and they don't need to take much time to spot ya if you're anywhere near them(clip range) not all the time, but when I do see it, the majority of people using these pots- are in fact 8man full synergy groups trying to get a quick gank. I was on at beno just about an hour ago and for a good hour+ there was a FG mids that kept taking the boat and jumping off just to gank solos. When they saw someone go stealth, they would use SL preemptively out of graphic range for those to see they just used SL, and then spread out with speed and find that solo almost instantly... rinse repeat/boat/disembark and SL is still up lol..

I would love for the timer on it to be more impacting to the user. 10-30 seconds would suit the server better than a whole minute. And even a re-use timer so they can't have perma SL..

It just feels like a skill-less item being 1min long. Seeing how most people using SL pots are in fact people who know they can handle that sneak. otherwise who would want to use an SL pot to find someone who can kill them? lol nobody...

if there is a low RR duo camping a bridge you can SL them and wreck them pretty easy. it pretty much guarantees the PA. you can also use it defensively to clear a bridge you suspect has a stealth ZERG on it. if you see them, you can just bail out and they wont see you. (instance where you find someone that would kill you)

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:35 AM by Riac

1 min is jsut long enough to walk on a bridge, clear up top, go to the other side and clear that top, all while in stealth.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:37 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:33 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:22 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:00 AM
Ok then, let's try and get back to the discussion...
I was wrong that it is paqdizzles post, but as an advocate for the change you surely are also more intrested in the discussion than the flamewar with Riac

So, what are the facts?

The tooltip claims 250additional units, and from my PoV that seems correct. Most stealth are not seen very far, even with SL pot active. Stealthers themselves will get the bonus on top of their already increased detection range.

RR does not influence how well you detect others (elaborate what you mean when you hint at high-RRs being less influenced by the groups uncovering them)

Using SL uses the potion timer, restricting the use of other potions (<--not 100% certain and can't access my PC to check, can anyone clarify?)

Potions are "easy" but timeconsuming to farm (2towerraids per potion)

In this RA setting normally there would be MOS9 archers available to sweep out stealthers at a bonus detection range of 625units. The SL-Pot equivalent in MOS would be between MOS4 (235units) and MOS5 (300units)

Feel free to add any argument/information i forgot...i just wrote this from the top of my head and didn'T go back to gather everything that was mentioned so far.

Overall i don't think that overview warrants a nerf of the potion. I agree though that one minute duration isn't neccesary and a rework to shorter-timer but increased-detection aka ghetto-truesight would make more sense and allow for the specific flushing out of known stealth positions without causing collateral because you have the buff up for 45seconds after clearing out the targetted area and randomly stumbling over someone else.

Thanks for actually posting this without flak.
Much appreciated. My only buggaboo really is that when you're stealth, you're moving in slow motion. those who are running speed can cover a large portion of ground and quite often find sneaks without SL pots due to this speed. add in an extra 250 units of being able to find someone stealth and they don't need to take much time to spot ya if you're anywhere near them(clip range) not all the time, but when I do see it, the majority of people using these pots- are in fact 8man full synergy groups trying to get a quick gank. I was on at beno just about an hour ago and for a good hour+ there was a FG mids that kept taking the boat and jumping off just to gank solos. When they saw someone go stealth, they would use SL preemptively out of graphic range for those to see they just used SL, and then spread out with speed and find that solo almost instantly... rinse repeat/boat/disembark and SL is still up lol..

I would love for the timer on it to be more impacting to the user. 10-30 seconds would suit the server better than a whole minute. And even a re-use timer so they can't have perma SL..

It just feels like a skill-less item being 1min long. Seeing how most people using SL pots are in fact people who know they can handle that sneak. otherwise who would want to use an SL pot to find someone who can kill them? lol nobody...
if there is a low RR duo camping a bridge you can SL them and wreck them pretty easy. it pretty much guarantees the PA. you can also use it defensively to clear a bridge you suspect has a stealth ZERG on it. if you see them, you can just bail out and they wont see you. (instance where you find someone that would kill you)

This is a very small variable. but true.
my 3man was called a zerg by you... I don't wanna hear what you call zerg anymore bruh lol

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:43 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:37 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:33 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:22 AM
Thanks for actually posting this without flak.
Much appreciated. My only buggaboo really is that when you're stealth, you're moving in slow motion. those who are running speed can cover a large portion of ground and quite often find sneaks without SL pots due to this speed. add in an extra 250 units of being able to find someone stealth and they don't need to take much time to spot ya if you're anywhere near them(clip range) not all the time, but when I do see it, the majority of people using these pots- are in fact 8man full synergy groups trying to get a quick gank. I was on at beno just about an hour ago and for a good hour+ there was a FG mids that kept taking the boat and jumping off just to gank solos. When they saw someone go stealth, they would use SL preemptively out of graphic range for those to see they just used SL, and then spread out with speed and find that solo almost instantly... rinse repeat/boat/disembark and SL is still up lol..

I would love for the timer on it to be more impacting to the user. 10-30 seconds would suit the server better than a whole minute. And even a re-use timer so they can't have perma SL..

It just feels like a skill-less item being 1min long. Seeing how most people using SL pots are in fact people who know they can handle that sneak. otherwise who would want to use an SL pot to find someone who can kill them? lol nobody...
if there is a low RR duo camping a bridge you can SL them and wreck them pretty easy. it pretty much guarantees the PA. you can also use it defensively to clear a bridge you suspect has a stealth ZERG on it. if you see them, you can just bail out and they wont see you. (instance where you find someone that would kill you)

This is a very small variable. but true.
my 3man was called a zerg by you... I don't wanna hear what you call zerg anymore bruh lol

tbh i dont get caught by FGs with sl that often, but i also dont have a stealth zerg with me to give away my posistion.
however, i do use it to fuck up duos and avoid zergs quite a bit.
you large variable is small in my world and apparently opposite for you. but lets be honest, your zerg isnt scare of lesser zergs that are lower rr. youll prolly never encounter that situation.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM by paqdizzle

Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:49 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...

stealther limit? i have no idea what you are talking about. did you just make this up?

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:51 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:43 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:37 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:33 AM
if there is a low RR duo camping a bridge you can SL them and wreck them pretty easy. it pretty much guarantees the PA. you can also use it defensively to clear a bridge you suspect has a stealth ZERG on it. if you see them, you can just bail out and they wont see you. (instance where you find someone that would kill you)

This is a very small variable. but true.
my 3man was called a zerg by you... I don't wanna hear what you call zerg anymore bruh lol
tbh i dont get caught by FGs with sl that often, but i also dont have a stealth zerg with me to give away my posistion.
however, i do use it to fuck up duos and avoid zergs quite a bit.
you large variable is small in my world and apparently opposite for you. but lets be honest, your zerg isnt scare of lesser zergs that are lower rr. youll prolly never encounter that situation.

Who are you fooling? What happens the most are in fact groups that KNOW they can get a gank use SL pots. That's the majority of the variable that happens alllll day, throughout every task.. Doesn't mean it's not true what you're saying, but not on the grand scale you think. I was on for 8 hours today lol, I did every task until about 2 hours ago and every task I saw the same thing, Multiple people in a FG quaffing SL pots to find 1 or 2 sneaks they saw from a distance.

and my guy, my group is sneaks is 3 most of the time, today it got to 5 for 10 minutes then back to 3 lol... we do it every day.. same 3 people.. we're not zerging anyone.. in fact our group/small man will be that sneak group with no synergy and pop out of another group the same size and win.(and lose XD but still)

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:51 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:49 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...
stealther limit? i have no idea what you are talking about. did you just make this up?

Nope, this info was taken from the patch notes, that I actually read. lol why do you think I'm quoting it or have a voice in this matter?

I wouldn't say anything about SL pots if I didn't know how it worked inside and out and see how it effects RvR and it's ability to gank more-so than just a get-away.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:53 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:51 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:49 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...
stealther limit? i have no idea what you are talking about. did you just make this up?

Nope, this info was taken from the patch notes, that I actually read. lol why do you think I'm quoting it

patch notes from this server? i doubt they will have a server wide limit on stealthers. that just doesnt even make sense. now if it were in the context of a group, where you couldnt have more than 3 or 4 groupmates stealthed at a single time then that would be hilarious.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:56 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:51 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:43 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:37 AM
This is a very small variable. but true.
my 3man was called a zerg by you... I don't wanna hear what you call zerg anymore bruh lol
tbh i dont get caught by FGs with sl that often, but i also dont have a stealth zerg with me to give away my posistion.
however, i do use it to fuck up duos and avoid zergs quite a bit.
you large variable is small in my world and apparently opposite for you. but lets be honest, your zerg isnt scare of lesser zergs that are lower rr. youll prolly never encounter that situation.

Who are you fooling? What happens the most are in fact groups that KNOW they can get a gank use SL pots. That's the majority of the variable that happens alllll day, throughout every task.. Doesn't mean it's not true what you're saying, but not on the grand scale you think. I was on for 8 hours today lol, I did every task until about 2 hours ago and every task I saw the same thing, Multiple people in a FG quaffing SL pots to find 1 or 2 sneaks they saw from a distance.

and my guy, my group is sneaks is 3 most of the time, today it got to 5 for 10 minutes then back to 3 lol... we do it every day.. same 3 people.. we're not zerging anyone.. in fact our group/small man will be that sneak group with no synergy and pop out of another group the same size and win.(and lose XD but still)

im fooling no one, but you are 100% fooling yourself

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:57 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:53 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:51 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:49 AM
stealther limit? i have no idea what you are talking about. did you just make this up?

Nope, this info was taken from the patch notes, that I actually read. lol why do you think I'm quoting it
patch notes from this server? i doubt they will have a server wide limit on stealthers. that just doesnt even make sense. now if it were in the context of a group, where you couldnt have more than 3 or 4 groupmates stealthed at a single time then that would be hilarious.

Nooo...... it was patch notes for Ultima Online... OFC it was for this server.. It's not funny, it's lame. Ahhh too many animists are logged in... you can't use shrooms... lmao you're right it would be funny

Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:00 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:57 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:53 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:51 AM
Nope, this info was taken from the patch notes, that I actually read. lol why do you think I'm quoting it
patch notes from this server? i doubt they will have a server wide limit on stealthers. that just doesnt even make sense. now if it were in the context of a group, where you couldnt have more than 3 or 4 groupmates stealthed at a single time then that would be hilarious.

Nooo...... it was patch notes for Ultima Online... OFC it was for this server.. It's not funny, it's lame. Ahhh too many animists are logged in... you can't use shrooms... lmao you're right it would be funny

thats prolly just some shit they fired off at the hip. w/e comes down the pipe surely wont prevent ppl from logging on their mains. that is just absurd.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:35 AM by Saroi

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...

That was way back then in Beta. Yes, there was a time in Beta when only a certain amount of stealthers could actually stealth in RvR. So it was possible for like SB and Inf run into eachother without stealth in Emain. Or if you were stealthed and attacked someone in the middle of nowhere you were pretty fucked cause you couldn't stealth back because the ones who weren't in stealthed ran around spamming their stealth to take the next available slot.

If I remember correctly this was limited to 25% of rvr pop. So if you had 30% of your realm rvr pop as stealthers, 25% could stealth and the other 5% couldn't and had to wait for someone to unstealth to take that slot.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:45 AM by paqdizzle

Saroi wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:35 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...

That was way back then in Beta. Yes, there was a time in Beta when only a certain amount of stealthers could actually stealth in RvR. So it was possible for like SB and Inf run into eachother without stealth in Emain. Or if you were stealthed and attacked someone in the middle of nowhere you were pretty fucked cause you couldn't stealth back because the ones who weren't in stealthed ran around spamming their stealth to take the next available slot.

If I remember correctly this was limited to 25% of rvr pop. So if you had 30% of your realm rvr pop as stealthers, 25% could stealth and the other 5% couldn't and had to wait for someone to unstealth to take that slot.

That was in beta till they addition of SL pots(recently). it was in-game this whole time. nobody knew because nobody wants to make sneaks these days. Wonder why XD

Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:48 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:45 AM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:35 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...

That was way back then in Beta. Yes, there was a time in Beta when only a certain amount of stealthers could actually stealth in RvR. So it was possible for like SB and Inf run into eachother without stealth in Emain. Or if you were stealthed and attacked someone in the middle of nowhere you were pretty fucked cause you couldn't stealth back because the ones who weren't in stealthed ran around spamming their stealth to take the next available slot.

If I remember correctly this was limited to 25% of rvr pop. So if you had 30% of your realm rvr pop as stealthers, 25% could stealth and the other 5% couldn't and had to wait for someone to unstealth to take that slot.

That was in beta till they addition of SL pots(recently). it was in-game this whole time. nobody knew because nobody wants to make sneaks these days. Wonder why XD

sl pots were introduced like half way through OF, if it was still in the game then the pop% was so high that it was irrelevant. i played OF and never encountered a problem stealthing like that and they had a shitload of stealthers back then. i didnt play beta though.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:56 AM by Saroi

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:45 AM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:35 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Put it this way... "Stealther limit will be removed (among other things a Stealth Lore potion is available for Phoenix Claws)"
There was a Stealther limit........ THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE... lol cause nobody wants to log on their PoS scouts?

This meant if the server had too many sneaks on, your sneak could no longer stealth. When did this actually happen though? when was there a day where you couldn't stealth cause the flavor of the day was being a sneak?

This only shows the direction of how people feel about sneaks or what they've represented towards the devs as valid info to share/get nerffed.
So with that being stated, Stealth lore potions being added and a stealther limit being removed are supposed to equal out? lol C'mon. just think about that.
The devs really thought that a stealther limit (which meant all sneaks couldn't use their only ability to do ANYTHING) was in the same ball park as SL Pots replacing that limit..

lol man...

That was way back then in Beta. Yes, there was a time in Beta when only a certain amount of stealthers could actually stealth in RvR. So it was possible for like SB and Inf run into eachother without stealth in Emain. Or if you were stealthed and attacked someone in the middle of nowhere you were pretty fucked cause you couldn't stealth back because the ones who weren't in stealthed ran around spamming their stealth to take the next available slot.

If I remember correctly this was limited to 25% of rvr pop. So if you had 30% of your realm rvr pop as stealthers, 25% could stealth and the other 5% couldn't and had to wait for someone to unstealth to take that slot.

That was in beta till they addition of SL pots(recently). it was in-game this whole time. nobody knew because nobody wants to make sneaks these days. Wonder why XD

It wasn't in the whole time. The stealther limit cap was like 1 week going. They made it the same time as the instant 50 command with capped gear. They probably wanted to prevent people to make a lot of stealthers to just play them, because with instant 50 and capped gear you will have an increase of stealthers which happened in Beta.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:00 AM by Sepplord

Saroi wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:56 AM
It wasn't in the whole time. The stealther limit cap was like 1 week going. They made it the same time as the instant 50 command with capped gear. They probably wanted to prevent people to make a lot of stealthers to just play them, because with instant 50 and capped gear you will have an increase of stealthers which happened in Beta.

Can confirm, this happened in beta and that was the reasoning/explanation given.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:09 AM by Saroi

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:48 AM
sl pots were introduced like half way through OF

They introduced SL pots in Beta, so they were always here since launch. Most people didn't know of them and also at the beginning, keep lords and Caravans only gave claw to 1 person and not everyone who participated. So the amount of claws was so limited, that noone had the chance to use stealth lore pots.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:26 AM by Cadebrennus

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 7:57 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:45 PM
Don't post unless you have constructive critique about the OP

The constructive criticism is that yes SL pots are balanced. Perma stealth is an extremely broken mechanic which is why most games don't even bother to include it anymore. It's semi balanced when a person is soloing perhaps. It rapidly spirals out of control when you get large groups of stealthers zerging the shit anything that moves and avoiding anything resembling a fair/even fight.

Should it be even more easy for clowns like those to operate with impunity? The answer is NO.

Again, if you're getting caught by visibles using SL it is in fact a learn to play problem. I'm sorry to break the bad news, the problem lies solely with you.

Think about it... who uses SL pots? the classes that know they can solo a sneak? or how about the FG of fully synergized classes that use SL pots to find that solo or small man of sneaks? why? cause they KNOW they can easily dispatch sneaks... ON NO A FG OF SNEAKS!?!?!?! well you know they don't have any real healer or CC that doesn't last long enough to be a threat.. you're completely right, stealthers should remain gimp on this server and anyone who feels like they are being ripped off due to EZ mode items that should remain in ToA and not the SI era.

You're must not be getting the bigger picture or think ahead by any means. Everyone is so damn scared to die in this game it's sad... but when a sneak dies and says anything it's A Okay! or "Get Gud" even though they were built to be a threat... now they are built to be annoying because everything else is gimp in comparison.. You all have it too good.. Nobody on this server complains about getting 1 tapped by PA.... wonder why.. Nobody seems to remember how things used to work I guess.

For anyone trying to defend this garbage, Go play a scout and go full bow... I wonder what would happen to you in a 1v1 or group fight where you're not in a synergy. lol tf up.. You all have it made....

Oh let's complain about sneaks adding fights... well they wouldn't have to if they weren't so gimp by comparison... Oh vanish is lame, Welp, they wouldn't need to vanish if PA worked the way it used to.. in fact I would say remove vanish all together and fix PA... What's worse? dying or making someone vanish? Oh no a scout hit me but my armor proc'd a DD... don't worry he only hit me for 400 damage with a crit shot and now can't fire for 5 seconds... easily mitigated... DONT NERF MY SHROOMS OR INSTANT AMNESIA!!!! IT WORKS AS INTENDED!!!!! TWF anyone? yeah... Don't worry Reavers got a levi nerf too so... the garbage keeps piling up.

I get upset when people seem to forget how most skills and attacks worked but decide to give their 2 cents about that same thing they know nothing of or can't seem to remember. Just shut up or do your research first..

I should learn to play so I can /Delete my sneak and make a fully synergized caster group with 1 or 2 peels and 2 heals with CC and a debuff for nuke damage for nukes that can be cast at 1.3 or 1.4 seconds per nuke that yields crit shot damage every nuke... But 3 times faster.. But let's ignore those same groups run SL pots just so they find those gimped sneaks... legit.

Why in the hell would anyone go full Bow? That's just asking for a weak spec, and then the requisite whine post about how their class sucks in melee.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:40 AM by paqdizzle

Saroi wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:09 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:48 AM
sl pots were introduced like half way through OF

They introduced SL pots in Beta, so they were always here since launch. Most people didn't know of them and also at the beginning, keep lords and Caravans only gave claw to 1 person and not everyone who participated. So the amount of claws was so limited, that noone had the chance to use stealth lore pots.

I wonder why the devs worded it that way in the patch notes. odd.
I made a warrior when this server started, it was my main and I remember trying to see what all I could buy with the claws, I could have sworn at launch and even for a couple months there weren't stealth lore pots. I know it was in the same year of launch but there were a couple months of no SL pots no?

Launched first patch on 7-9-2018 and SL pots were added 10-28-2018? or am I wrong.. I only played my warrior at the time so in-game I wasn't really checking what all I culd buy from special merchants.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:44 AM by paqdizzle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:26 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 7:57 PM
The constructive criticism is that yes SL pots are balanced. Perma stealth is an extremely broken mechanic which is why most games don't even bother to include it anymore. It's semi balanced when a person is soloing perhaps. It rapidly spirals out of control when you get large groups of stealthers zerging the shit anything that moves and avoiding anything resembling a fair/even fight.

Should it be even more easy for clowns like those to operate with impunity? The answer is NO.

Again, if you're getting caught by visibles using SL it is in fact a learn to play problem. I'm sorry to break the bad news, the problem lies solely with you.

Think about it... who uses SL pots? the classes that know they can solo a sneak? or how about the FG of fully synergized classes that use SL pots to find that solo or small man of sneaks? why? cause they KNOW they can easily dispatch sneaks... ON NO A FG OF SNEAKS!?!?!?! well you know they don't have any real healer or CC that doesn't last long enough to be a threat.. you're completely right, stealthers should remain gimp on this server and anyone who feels like they are being ripped off due to EZ mode items that should remain in ToA and not the SI era.

You're must not be getting the bigger picture or think ahead by any means. Everyone is so damn scared to die in this game it's sad... but when a sneak dies and says anything it's A Okay! or "Get Gud" even though they were built to be a threat... now they are built to be annoying because everything else is gimp in comparison.. You all have it too good.. Nobody on this server complains about getting 1 tapped by PA.... wonder why.. Nobody seems to remember how things used to work I guess.

For anyone trying to defend this garbage, Go play a scout and go full bow... I wonder what would happen to you in a 1v1 or group fight where you're not in a synergy. lol tf up.. You all have it made....

Oh let's complain about sneaks adding fights... well they wouldn't have to if they weren't so gimp by comparison... Oh vanish is lame, Welp, they wouldn't need to vanish if PA worked the way it used to.. in fact I would say remove vanish all together and fix PA... What's worse? dying or making someone vanish? Oh no a scout hit me but my armor proc'd a DD... don't worry he only hit me for 400 damage with a crit shot and now can't fire for 5 seconds... easily mitigated... DONT NERF MY SHROOMS OR INSTANT AMNESIA!!!! IT WORKS AS INTENDED!!!!! TWF anyone? yeah... Don't worry Reavers got a levi nerf too so... the garbage keeps piling up.

I get upset when people seem to forget how most skills and attacks worked but decide to give their 2 cents about that same thing they know nothing of or can't seem to remember. Just shut up or do your research first..

I should learn to play so I can /Delete my sneak and make a fully synergized caster group with 1 or 2 peels and 2 heals with CC and a debuff for nuke damage for nukes that can be cast at 1.3 or 1.4 seconds per nuke that yields crit shot damage every nuke... But 3 times faster.. But let's ignore those same groups run SL pots just so they find those gimped sneaks... legit.

Why in the hell would anyone go full Bow? That's just asking for a weak spec, and then the requisite whine post about how their class sucks in melee.

lol I went full bow because back then I was doing 200 more damage per shot(not even rr5 at the time) than people with the 35 bow spec(rr5+). This was some time ago ^^ before the ninja nerf around launch. but I went full bow to see the difference and found out(for that time period) why the hell don't people do this and group assist XD
and I've also tried 50 weapon as a scout.... please don't lol.. just /Delete it before you even start one. Highlander slash scout.... doing 120-160ish on casters on a good day with the slowest weapon possible. aug str was giving me 1 damage per 10 str it added. so... there was that... Anywho with a Numb you can easily gain grounds to kite, and you got to watch peple burn purge all day on a 2 second stun that you could in-turn re-stun in 10 seconds or so and gain ground again.. I would treat people back when I had full bow man, I'm telling ya

Toughness9 ip2 purge2 and bow damage was all I needed most of the time. it was so much funner back then.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:48 AM by Sepplord

The Server launched January 2019 (not sure about the date...12? 18? something like that)

Everything before that were betaphases or name reservation

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:57 AM by paqdizzle

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:48 AM
The Server launched February 2019 (not sure about the date...12? 18? something like that)

Everything before that were betaphases or name reservation

gotcha, so then I was in the beta phase while things were still in the works. Well that really bums me out lol because the current road this server is driving is leading towards me not playing much. and I love this damn game... prolly too much. There hasn't been 1 game that has daoc's positionals/queuing off of parry/block/evade bla bla bla.. and I always find myself going back to daoc, whether it be live, here, or mordred XD

That and the community (other than a few here) seem to pretend things are out of balance and could use the mitigation. The original poster had a great opinion of the matter and the Toxic/triggered people came in and scared everyone off except me lol.

SL pots soul purpose is the find a stealther(s) easier. That is all. it doesn't need to last as long as it does and people have tons of 200 stacks of claws now. It should be obvious that people would find a way to use SL pots in locations where they know is heavily populated(only so many places you can go in daoc)((and task is your gps) So I'll see full groups have multiple people quaff, and fan out. Doesn't matter where because the /task realm, is where it's going to work. Should they be allowed? even if the result yields 1 solo or a FG of sneaks? Absolutely. But at least mitigate it to some degree, as you can see, people hate stealthers on this server. 3 of us groups means we're zerging lol and I guess we're only capable of leeching even though having any solo kills at all means you literally didn't leech lol it's rough unless you're higher RR for sure and it doesn't help that the community doesn't care.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:57 AM by Saroi

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:48 AM
The Server launched February 2019 (not sure about the date...12? 18? something like that)

Everything before that were betaphases or name reservation

Server launch was 12 January 2019.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 12:16 PM by Sepplord

Saroi wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:57 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:48 AM
The Server launched February 2019 (not sure about the date...12? 18? something like that)

Everything before that were betaphases or name reservation

Server launch was 12 January 2019.

Yeah true, dunno how i came to February, it was after the christmas/newYears break

Tue 21 Apr 2020 1:30 PM by Cadebrennus

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:44 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:26 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Apr 2020 8:14 PM
Think about it... who uses SL pots? the classes that know they can solo a sneak? or how about the FG of fully synergized classes that use SL pots to find that solo or small man of sneaks? why? cause they KNOW they can easily dispatch sneaks... ON NO A FG OF SNEAKS!?!?!?! well you know they don't have any real healer or CC that doesn't last long enough to be a threat.. you're completely right, stealthers should remain gimp on this server and anyone who feels like they are being ripped off due to EZ mode items that should remain in ToA and not the SI era.

You're must not be getting the bigger picture or think ahead by any means. Everyone is so damn scared to die in this game it's sad... but when a sneak dies and says anything it's A Okay! or "Get Gud" even though they were built to be a threat... now they are built to be annoying because everything else is gimp in comparison.. You all have it too good.. Nobody on this server complains about getting 1 tapped by PA.... wonder why.. Nobody seems to remember how things used to work I guess.

For anyone trying to defend this garbage, Go play a scout and go full bow... I wonder what would happen to you in a 1v1 or group fight where you're not in a synergy. lol tf up.. You all have it made....

Oh let's complain about sneaks adding fights... well they wouldn't have to if they weren't so gimp by comparison... Oh vanish is lame, Welp, they wouldn't need to vanish if PA worked the way it used to.. in fact I would say remove vanish all together and fix PA... What's worse? dying or making someone vanish? Oh no a scout hit me but my armor proc'd a DD... don't worry he only hit me for 400 damage with a crit shot and now can't fire for 5 seconds... easily mitigated... DONT NERF MY SHROOMS OR INSTANT AMNESIA!!!! IT WORKS AS INTENDED!!!!! TWF anyone? yeah... Don't worry Reavers got a levi nerf too so... the garbage keeps piling up.

I get upset when people seem to forget how most skills and attacks worked but decide to give their 2 cents about that same thing they know nothing of or can't seem to remember. Just shut up or do your research first..

I should learn to play so I can /Delete my sneak and make a fully synergized caster group with 1 or 2 peels and 2 heals with CC and a debuff for nuke damage for nukes that can be cast at 1.3 or 1.4 seconds per nuke that yields crit shot damage every nuke... But 3 times faster.. But let's ignore those same groups run SL pots just so they find those gimped sneaks... legit.

Why in the hell would anyone go full Bow? That's just asking for a weak spec, and then the requisite whine post about how their class sucks in melee.

lol I went full bow because back then I was doing 200 more damage per shot(not even rr5 at the time) than people with the 35 bow spec(rr5+). This was some time ago ^^ before the ninja nerf around launch. but I went full bow to see the difference and found out(for that time period) why the hell don't people do this and group assist XD
and I've also tried 50 weapon as a scout.... please don't lol.. just /Delete it before you even start one. Highlander slash scout.... doing 120-160ish on casters on a good day with the slowest weapon possible. aug str was giving me 1 damage per 10 str it added. so... there was that... Anywho with a Numb you can easily gain grounds to kite, and you got to watch peple burn purge all day on a 2 second stun that you could in-turn re-stun in 10 seconds or so and gain ground again.. I would treat people back when I had full bow man, I'm telling ya Toughness9 ip2 purge2 and bow damage was all I needed most of the time. it was so much funner back then.

Don't forget that the 120-160ish mainhand is the same or more than a Ranger, since the highest strength class available is a Celt, which isn't a Highlander or Norse. Granted, with offhand and DA with a typical spec a Ranger averages an additional 38 damage per offhand swing over time (considering a 51% chance offhand). However, one of the things I love about Scouts is that they can guard a group mate, something that Hunters and Rangers can't do. I look at most things from a group playstyle though, and find it bewildering that people would choose to solo nearly 100% of the time given they have enough time to play in the first place. On Live I typically soloed if I had less than 30 or 45 minutes to play.

I agree with you regarding Bow spec, however. 50 Archery should be doing much more damage than 35 Archery. Perhaps if the Devs did two things that would help:

1) make archery a constant "styled" attack, one where the GR grows with spec. Let's assume that Archery hits generally average around 200 per hit at 35 Archery (for easier math). If the base were lowered to a constant of 133, and Archery had a 0.5 GR at 35 Archery, then the shot per hit would be 199 damage. If it maxed at 0.99 GR at 50 Archery, it would be more than 264, since the base would be slightly higher too. You could also apply a higher GR to Critshot, say double of the GR of the equivalent base style. This would allow critical hits to happen again in a Critshot, making it really worth using again. Just an idea though.

2) Allow Haste to affect bow speed. It's a physical weapon with physical downsides (AF and absorb reduction, PD, blocks/evades) but also with the interruptible mechanics of casting (which ignores the physical downsides). So why not allow Haste to affect Archery speed?

Tue 21 Apr 2020 1:54 PM by Kimahri

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:43 AM
you're just foaming from the mouth at me for being "#10 leech". You're also assuming my playstyle, you also assume I'm just a scrub who hasn't played this fucking game

I would say Riac is spot on when it comes to identifying your playstyle.

Storytime children, gather around. There I was on bledmeer bridge heading to the dock when I suddenly spot a 1v1 in the distance, it was Sikss the skald vs Bayou the smite cleric. Damn, I thought to myself, Bayou is a badass for playing a solo smite cleric on this server, I'm gonna go protect their 1v1. As I watch the battle commence in the water, suddenly a scout named pacquette or however you spell his name rows by in a boat. First thought that comes to mind, this scout is gonna leech the fight, it's in a scouts nature. I begin swimming in the direction of the boat applying crippling poison to my weapons and sure enough, sikks eats a critical shot from pac. I unstealth and run down this scout who spams shield styles like a mad man, but to no avail the scout dies by my hand. Leecher.

-Hashishun

Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:46 PM by Stynkfyst28

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:43 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:37 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:33 AM
if there is a low RR duo camping a bridge you can SL them and wreck them pretty easy. it pretty much guarantees the PA. you can also use it defensively to clear a bridge you suspect has a stealth ZERG on it. if you see them, you can just bail out and they wont see you. (instance where you find someone that would kill you)

This is a very small variable. but true.
my 3man was called a zerg by you... I don't wanna hear what you call zerg anymore bruh lol
tbh i dont get caught by FGs with sl that often, but i also dont have a stealth zerg with me to give away my posistion.
however, i do use it to fuck up duos and avoid zergs quite a bit.
you large variable is small in my world and apparently opposite for you. but lets be honest, your zerg isnt scare of lesser zergs that are lower rr. youll prolly never encounter that situation.

How is 2 to 4 people a stealth zerg lmao!!! Even as a 6m or a 8m. Thats like calling a vissie 8m or duo a vissie zerg. Lmao zerg means you got out numbered in a fight. Doesnt mean a set number of people make a zerg bro

Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:47 PM by Stynkfyst28

Azrael wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:44 PM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers.

hahahahahahhahahaha
The only situation with same numbers is when they gank on the relic door and more people come out by accident.

Rofl so not true im sure hib and mid knows BUHHH very well for jumping vissies same numbers or more. Ask dwarf party they got rolled by us 6v8 gtfo lmao

Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:49 PM by Stynkfyst28

Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:47 PM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:04 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:43 AM
Many of these "e-peen" solo stealthers abused that back in the day. They also post videos of how "great" they are. Funny how the fights where they are getting the crap beat out of them and they vanish aren't in the videos!

that's why I don't by into there BS it's all lies. Everyone knows Mave hella abused that shit now he is trying to act tough for it but will never ever fight my mini. Truth is SL is to strong does not need removed it needs tinkered. A high RR stealther you will hardly see with SL that is fair. But it seems RR6 below with stealth lore pots I can spot from a mile away. how is this fair?

Yes I'm sure both you clowns are above killing solos with stealth groups, killing xpers, or killing task suiciders. Please also don't act like the solos/lesser numbers you both gleefully gangbang stand any more chance vs 3-4 of you than a level 36+ person does vs a 50. I had a pretty simple philosophy. If something was worth RPs i'd kill it. If it was someone coming to do a turn in at a dock I'd kill them once and let them get their turn if they returned. If someone is coming out solo looking for solo fights I wouldn't zerg them because I want them to keep coming out. I'd show others respect in the hopes they would return the favor when they ran up in me fighting. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. If they routinely added me I'd gladly return the favor. Fairly simple. My disdain for stealth zergers come purely from the fact they do nothing but abuse perma stealth to grief lesser numbers and avoid anything resembling a fair fight. It's literally the most pathetic playstyle this game has to offer.

As for fighting your mini. I have no idea who you are from any number of faceless minis out there. The routine is always the same. Look for easy kills while you've got 3-5 cooldowns up and when they are on cooldown check the XP spots for easy kills while they cycle. I'd fight minsts and when they blow all their cooldowns i'd just vanish if I wasn't going to get the kill. Trading 3-5 15 minute cooldowns for 1 15 minute cooldown was still a victory in my book. It got them to fuck off for a while as 99% of them did nothing but add anyway. A good minst with CDs up should be uncatchable/unkillable for an SB one a gap was created. Fortunately for every good minst there was about half a dozen bad ones.

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:11 PM
See people are so ignorant they do not even read . No one said to remove SL. They stated it is very strong with it lasting 1 full min and the range on seing is a lot further than what these jokes are trying to say. Also I have more respect for a stealth grp who actually jumps vissies with same numbers. Than a pussy ass SB mave who only kills xpers/ caster soloers and easy fights. I have videos of mave also abusing the suicide mechanic when the serve first launched. stop trying to get your EP up and fucking read.

Please READ the topic of the post. Clearly the OP wants the pots removed. Do I care to read through his wall of text rantings to see if his position changed mid-thead? No not really because the potions are balanced and if anything possibly under powered. His clear motivation is that his stealth groups are getting ferreted out and squashed by smallmans and FGs. This is working as intended. It's no one else's fault but their own if it keeps happening to them. Stealth groups should not be allowed to operate with total impunity to flatten anything they perceive to not be a threat to them.

You're welcome to post videos of me doing this "Suicide mechanic" as I don't recall it being a thing to begin with. Please also post these videos of stealth groups fighting equal number small mans. Please put up or shut the fuck up already.

Thats funny i will fight you when ever ya want lmao ur a pussy mave. Funny cant even deny you abuse the suicide system to sugat coat ur stats. And at this point idgaf about solos. Like 10 people outta the whole server who actually solos. You fucking kill xpers and use scripts to look good stfu kid before i school you on a scout

Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:57 PM by Riac

im betting he didnt care about solos well before there were only 10 left. makes that quite the hollow argument.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:57 PM by Noashakra

RR has nothing to do with the detection......

Tue 21 Apr 2020 4:10 PM by Mavella

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:49 PM
Thats funny i will fight you when ever ya want lmao ur a pussy mave. Funny cant even deny you abuse the suicide system to sugat coat ur stats. And at this point idgaf about solos. Like 10 people outta the whole server who actually solos. You fucking kill xpers and use scripts to look good stfu kid before i school you on a scout

Where's the videos, clown?

Tue 21 Apr 2020 4:47 PM by Noashakra

A brave ministrel who had no idea how to manage his CCs, doing a tactical retreat after losing his orange pet.

Yeah since the nerf, i didn't see a ministrel doing great with an orange pet, they all SOS away when the pet die. Stunning and brave. It's like all their skill was in the ret pet!

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:17 PM by paqdizzle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 1:30 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:44 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:26 AM
Why in the hell would anyone go full Bow? That's just asking for a weak spec, and then the requisite whine post about how their class sucks in melee.

lol I went full bow because back then I was doing 200 more damage per shot(not even rr5 at the time) than people with the 35 bow spec(rr5+). This was some time ago ^^ before the ninja nerf around launch. but I went full bow to see the difference and found out(for that time period) why the hell don't people do this and group assist XD
and I've also tried 50 weapon as a scout.... please don't lol.. just /Delete it before you even start one. Highlander slash scout.... doing 120-160ish on casters on a good day with the slowest weapon possible. aug str was giving me 1 damage per 10 str it added. so... there was that... Anywho with a Numb you can easily gain grounds to kite, and you got to watch peple burn purge all day on a 2 second stun that you could in-turn re-stun in 10 seconds or so and gain ground again.. I would treat people back when I had full bow man, I'm telling ya Toughness9 ip2 purge2 and bow damage was all I needed most of the time. it was so much funner back then.

Don't forget that the 120-160ish mainhand is the same or more than a Ranger, since the highest strength class available is a Celt, which isn't a Highlander or Norse. Granted, with offhand and DA with a typical spec a Ranger averages an additional 38 damage per offhand swing over time (considering a 51% chance offhand). However, one of the things I love about Scouts is that they can guard a group mate, something that Hunters and Rangers can't do. I look at most things from a group playstyle though, and find it bewildering that people would choose to solo nearly 100% of the time given they have enough time to play in the first place. On Live I typically soloed if I had less than 30 or 45 minutes to play.

I agree with you regarding Bow spec, however. 50 Archery should be doing much more damage than 35 Archery. Perhaps if the Devs did two things that would help:

1) make archery a constant "styled" attack, one where the GR grows with spec. Let's assume that Archery hits generally average around 200 per hit at 35 Archery (for easier math). If the base were lowered to a constant of 133, and Archery had a 0.5 GR at 35 Archery, then the shot per hit would be 199 damage. If it maxed at 0.99 GR at 50 Archery, it would be more than 264, since the base would be slightly higher too. You could also apply a higher GR to Critshot, say double of the GR of the equivalent base style. This would allow critical hits to happen again in a Critshot, making it really worth using again. Just an idea though.

2) Allow Haste to affect bow speed. It's a physical weapon with physical downsides (AF and absorb reduction, PD, blocks/evades) but also with the interruptible mechanics of casting (which ignores the physical downsides). So why not allow Haste to affect Archery speed?

except rangers have an off hand that boosts that to around 250ish and they do the same bow damage :/ lol

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:46 PM by Cadebrennus

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:17 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 1:30 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:44 AM
lol I went full bow because back then I was doing 200 more damage per shot(not even rr5 at the time) than people with the 35 bow spec(rr5+). This was some time ago ^^ before the ninja nerf around launch. but I went full bow to see the difference and found out(for that time period) why the hell don't people do this and group assist XD
and I've also tried 50 weapon as a scout.... please don't lol.. just /Delete it before you even start one. Highlander slash scout.... doing 120-160ish on casters on a good day with the slowest weapon possible. aug str was giving me 1 damage per 10 str it added. so... there was that... Anywho with a Numb you can easily gain grounds to kite, and you got to watch peple burn purge all day on a 2 second stun that you could in-turn re-stun in 10 seconds or so and gain ground again.. I would treat people back when I had full bow man, I'm telling ya Toughness9 ip2 purge2 and bow damage was all I needed most of the time. it was so much funner back then.

Don't forget that the 120-160ish mainhand is the same or more than a Ranger, since the highest strength class available is a Celt, which isn't a Highlander or Norse. Granted, with offhand and DA with a typical spec a Ranger averages an additional 38 damage per offhand swing over time (considering a 51% chance offhand). However, one of the things I love about Scouts is that they can guard a group mate, something that Hunters and Rangers can't do. I look at most things from a group playstyle though, and find it bewildering that people would choose to solo nearly 100% of the time given they have enough time to play in the first place. On Live I typically soloed if I had less than 30 or 45 minutes to play.

I agree with you regarding Bow spec, however. 50 Archery should be doing much more damage than 35 Archery. Perhaps if the Devs did two things that would help:

1) make archery a constant "styled" attack, one where the GR grows with spec. Let's assume that Archery hits generally average around 200 per hit at 35 Archery (for easier math). If the base were lowered to a constant of 133, and Archery had a 0.5 GR at 35 Archery, then the shot per hit would be 199 damage. If it maxed at 0.99 GR at 50 Archery, it would be more than 264, since the base would be slightly higher too. You could also apply a higher GR to Critshot, say double of the GR of the equivalent base style. This would allow critical hits to happen again in a Critshot, making it really worth using again. Just an idea though.

2) Allow Haste to affect bow speed. It's a physical weapon with physical downsides (AF and absorb reduction, PD, blocks/evades) but also with the interruptible mechanics of casting (which ignores the physical downsides). So why not allow Haste to affect Archery speed?

except rangers have an off hand that boosts that to around 250ish and they do the same bow damage :/ lol

Dude your number is waaaaay the hell off. Are you seriously saying an offhand hit, even with the level 36 DA, adds 130 to 90 additional damage? Whatever you're smoking, you should probably quit. The average Ranger spec of 26 CD and 36+ PF adds over time, averaged out to every swing, around 39 damage per offhand hit, (51% chance to swing offhand) INCLUDING the level 36 DA. That is, at most, a 30% boost in damage, compared to a Scouts (vs 1h & 2h) 50+% block rate (or 39% vs a dual wielder.)

You really should check your facts before posting ridiculous numbers. Other morons might believe your moronic statements.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM by paqdizzle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:46 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:17 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 1:30 PM
Don't forget that the 120-160ish mainhand is the same or more than a Ranger, since the highest strength class available is a Celt, which isn't a Highlander or Norse. Granted, with offhand and DA with a typical spec a Ranger averages an additional 38 damage per offhand swing over time (considering a 51% chance offhand). However, one of the things I love about Scouts is that they can guard a group mate, something that Hunters and Rangers can't do. I look at most things from a group playstyle though, and find it bewildering that people would choose to solo nearly 100% of the time given they have enough time to play in the first place. On Live I typically soloed if I had less than 30 or 45 minutes to play.

I agree with you regarding Bow spec, however. 50 Archery should be doing much more damage than 35 Archery. Perhaps if the Devs did two things that would help:

1) make archery a constant "styled" attack, one where the GR grows with spec. Let's assume that Archery hits generally average around 200 per hit at 35 Archery (for easier math). If the base were lowered to a constant of 133, and Archery had a 0.5 GR at 35 Archery, then the shot per hit would be 199 damage. If it maxed at 0.99 GR at 50 Archery, it would be more than 264, since the base would be slightly higher too. You could also apply a higher GR to Critshot, say double of the GR of the equivalent base style. This would allow critical hits to happen again in a Critshot, making it really worth using again. Just an idea though.

2) Allow Haste to affect bow speed. It's a physical weapon with physical downsides (AF and absorb reduction, PD, blocks/evades) but also with the interruptible mechanics of casting (which ignores the physical downsides). So why not allow Haste to affect Archery speed?

except rangers have an off hand that boosts that to around 250ish and they do the same bow damage :/ lol

Dude your number is waaaaay the hell off. Are you seriously saying an offhand hit, even with the level 36 DA, adds 130 to 90 additional damage? Whatever you're smoking, you should probably quit. The average Ranger spec of 26 CD and 36+ PF adds over time, averaged out to every swing, around 39 damage per offhand hit, (51% chance to swing offhand) INCLUDING the level 36 DA. That is, at most, a 30% boost in damage, compared to a Scouts (vs 1h & 2h) 50+% block rate (or 39% vs a dual wielder.)

You really should check your facts before posting ridiculous numbers. Other morons might believe your moronic statements.

I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

(edit: when he got my side he did 177 main hand I can't remember the off-hand damage but I have screen shots. I can get more today vs rangers and hunters so you can compare facts vs assumption)

Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:57 PM by Cadebrennus

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:46 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:17 PM
except rangers have an off hand that boosts that to around 250ish and they do the same bow damage :/ lol

Dude your number is waaaaay the hell off. Are you seriously saying an offhand hit, even with the level 36 DA, adds 130 to 90 additional damage? Whatever you're smoking, you should probably quit. The average Ranger spec of 26 CD and 36+ PF adds over time, averaged out to every swing, around 39 damage per offhand hit, (51% chance to swing offhand) INCLUDING the level 36 DA. That is, at most, a 30% boost in damage, compared to a Scouts (vs 1h & 2h) 50+% block rate (or 39% vs a dual wielder.)

You really should check your facts before posting ridiculous numbers. Other morons might believe your moronic statements.

I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

You really don't read, do you? Hint: look up.

P.S. one allegorical instance is not representative of the population. Next time when you leave your keep remember to use your buff pots.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:01 PM by daytonchambers

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

(edit: when he got my side he did 177 main hand I can't remember the off-hand damage but I have screen shots. I can get more today vs rangers and hunters so you can compare facts vs assumption)

Trollselfi is a realm rank 11 melee ranger. Using him as a representative for the class as a whole when it comes to melee is laughably dishonest on your part.

And what WS debuff does a blades ranger get, exactly? Or are you referring to the 25% defense pen that ALL dual wielders get, which drops a scout down to 35-39% block rate (which is still crazy good)?

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:04 PM by paqdizzle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:57 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:46 PM
Dude your number is waaaaay the hell off. Are you seriously saying an offhand hit, even with the level 36 DA, adds 130 to 90 additional damage? Whatever you're smoking, you should probably quit. The average Ranger spec of 26 CD and 36+ PF adds over time, averaged out to every swing, around 39 damage per offhand hit, (51% chance to swing offhand) INCLUDING the level 36 DA. That is, at most, a 30% boost in damage, compared to a Scouts (vs 1h & 2h) 50+% block rate (or 39% vs a dual wielder.)

You really should check your facts before posting ridiculous numbers. Other morons might believe your moronic statements.

I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

You really don't read, do you? Hint: look up.

P.S. one allegorical instance is not representative of the population. Next time when you leave your keep remember to use your buff pots.

as soon as I read that I should stop smoking w/e you think I smoke, I stopped reading. I don't need to read insults before you make your point. and your point is null for the simple fact that I'm always fully buffed in RvR.. Nah Ima take all my armor off and get hit by a class then report that back to the forum as validity... ffs man.
Most ranger I come upon hit me from 130-170 main hand... 60-80+ off-hand as the norm. Which is damn near 100 more damage vs melee scout per swing. even as highlander... but this has always been that way, Scouts weren't supposed to have melee damage = to hunter or ranger... why? because we had amazing bow damage and didn't need the extra utility bud bud.

Edit: I've been hit by Hairuwyn for the same damage lol.. like barely 5 damage difference.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:06 PM by Cadebrennus

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

(edit: when he got my side he did 177 main hand I can't remember the off-hand damage but I have screen shots. I can get more today vs rangers and hunters so you can compare facts vs assumption)

Trollselfi is a realm rank 11 melee ranger. Using him as a representative for the class as a whole when it comes to melee is laughably dishonest on your part.

I couldn't even get these numbers in beta, testing a variety of specs. More than likely it was a) pre-nerf of the armor damage tables (10% vulnerable instead of 5% vulnerable) and b) lol he somehow forgot to use the AF buff, or accidentally canceled it.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:08 PM by paqdizzle

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

(edit: when he got my side he did 177 main hand I can't remember the off-hand damage but I have screen shots. I can get more today vs rangers and hunters so you can compare facts vs assumption)

Trollselfi is a realm rank 11 melee ranger. Using him as a representative for the class as a whole when it comes to melee is laughably dishonest on your part.

And what WS debuff does a blades ranger get, exactly? Or are you referring to the 25% defense pen that ALL dual wielders get, which drops a scout down to 35-39% block rate (which is still crazy good)?

What WS debuff does to scouts makes it to where we get evaded/ parried over half the time, so no slamy slam or snare. if we do land it, it would have been too late to matter. Not talking about rangers HAVING the debuff lmfao...

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:09 PM by Cadebrennus

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:04 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:57 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

You really don't read, do you? Hint: look up.

P.S. one allegorical instance is not representative of the population. Next time when you leave your keep remember to use your buff pots.

as soon as I read that I should stop smoking w/e you think I smoke, I stopped reading. I don't need to read insults before you make your point. and your point is null for the simple fact that I'm always fully buffed in RvR.. Nah Ima take all my armor off and get hit by a class then report that back to the forum as validity... ffs man.
Most ranger I come upon hit me from 130-170 main hand... 60-80+ off-hand as the norm. Which is damn near 100 more damage vs melee scout per swing. even as highlander... but this has always been that way, Scouts weren't supposed to have melee damage = to hunter or ranger... why? because we had amazing bow damage and didn't need the extra utility bud bud.

Edit: I've been hit by Hairuwyn for the same damage lol.. like barely 5 damage difference.

You should probably equip your character in studded leather armor then, instead of the toilet paper you seem to be wrapping yourself in. Something about your AF/Abs is horrendously wrong.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:09 PM by Cadebrennus

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:08 PM
daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

(edit: when he got my side he did 177 main hand I can't remember the off-hand damage but I have screen shots. I can get more today vs rangers and hunters so you can compare facts vs assumption)

Trollselfi is a realm rank 11 melee ranger. Using him as a representative for the class as a whole when it comes to melee is laughably dishonest on your part.

And what WS debuff does a blades ranger get, exactly? Or are you referring to the 25% defense pen that ALL dual wielders get, which drops a scout down to 35-39% block rate (which is still crazy good)?

What WS debuff does to scouts makes it to where we get evaded/ parried over half the time, so no slamy slam or snare. if we do land it, it would have been too late to matter. Not talking about rangers HAVING the debuff lmfao...

Yes, that dreaded Ranger parry ability...

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:10 PM by daytonchambers

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:08 PM
daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
I've been hit for 162 main hand, off hand 76 by trollselfi. so 238? I did say 250ISH right? lol and are you forgetting WS debuff vs shields? lol talk about numbers being off mate.. man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

(edit: when he got my side he did 177 main hand I can't remember the off-hand damage but I have screen shots. I can get more today vs rangers and hunters so you can compare facts vs assumption)

Trollselfi is a realm rank 11 melee ranger. Using him as a representative for the class as a whole when it comes to melee is laughably dishonest on your part.

And what WS debuff does a blades ranger get, exactly? Or are you referring to the 25% defense pen that ALL dual wielders get, which drops a scout down to 35-39% block rate (which is still crazy good)?

What WS debuff does to scouts makes it to where we get evaded/ parried over half the time, so no slamy slam or snare. if we do land it, it would have been too late to matter. Not talking about rangers HAVING the debuff lmfao...

And I say again, blade spec rangers do not HAVE a WS debuff. Unless we're talking charges which, in that case. YOU have equal access to.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:14 PM by paqdizzle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:09 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:04 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:57 PM
You really don't read, do you? Hint: look up.

P.S. one allegorical instance is not representative of the population. Next time when you leave your keep remember to use your buff pots.

as soon as I read that I should stop smoking w/e you think I smoke, I stopped reading. I don't need to read insults before you make your point. and your point is null for the simple fact that I'm always fully buffed in RvR.. Nah Ima take all my armor off and get hit by a class then report that back to the forum as validity... ffs man.
Most ranger I come upon hit me from 130-170 main hand... 60-80+ off-hand as the norm. Which is damn near 100 more damage vs melee scout per swing. even as highlander... but this has always been that way, Scouts weren't supposed to have melee damage = to hunter or ranger... why? because we had amazing bow damage and didn't need the extra utility bud bud.

Edit: I've been hit by Hairuwyn for the same damage lol.. like barely 5 damage difference.

You should probably equip your character in studded leather armor then, instead of the toilet paper you seem to be wrapping yourself in. Something about your AF/Abs is horrendously wrong.

HOW IS IT WRONG IF THATS WHAT IM GETTING HIT FOR FULLY TEMPED?!?!?!!? I'll take Screen shots for you next time.. simple as that, give me a few days and I'll get all sorts of evidence to back what I'm saying up.. Tired of dumb fucks like you who think their elitists and only their view can be correct... I'm telling you, it is what it is.
this community is so fucking toxic it's blowing my mind... What will we find out? scouts melee will never hit for over 200 on ANY target... Rangers CAN and DO on this server.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:17 PM by paqdizzle

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:10 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:08 PM
daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:01 PM
Trollselfi is a realm rank 11 melee ranger. Using him as a representative for the class as a whole when it comes to melee is laughably dishonest on your part.

And what WS debuff does a blades ranger get, exactly? Or are you referring to the 25% defense pen that ALL dual wielders get, which drops a scout down to 35-39% block rate (which is still crazy good)?

What WS debuff does to scouts makes it to where we get evaded/ parried over half the time, so no slamy slam or snare. if we do land it, it would have been too late to matter. Not talking about rangers HAVING the debuff lmfao...

And I say again, blade spec rangers do not HAVE a WS debuff. Unless we're talking charges which, in that case. YOU have equal access to.

Or do you forget you CAN be a melee ranger and still have 35 bow and do the same(ish) bow damage as a scout too

THATS COOOOOOL

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:20 PM by paqdizzle

People wanna tell me I only leech, or I'm a PoS 8l5 scout that only ganks with a zerg yet that SAME GUY (Riac) was buddy buddy with a VW at beno ganking solo with the VW including me LOL and I was solo... Same person in here flaming on me for the very reasons he's talking shit on me... and goes and does it himself but worse... lmao man you guys are special.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:25 PM by daytonchambers

DOOOD. You cant have it all.

Scouts spec 4 lines: stealth archery shield and a weapon.

Rangers spec 5 lines, with the same amount of points. stealth archery weapon CD and Pathfinding.

Melee rangers, on average, have 12bow from the autotrain. Thats it. They have to drop bow to push PF and weapons up to a level that can compete with assassins.

You are screaming at the sky here without even asking what the class can and cant do to better your play.

Enlighten us! How should I spec my ranger to be melee while having a bow spec as powerful as a scout. Please tell me what this magic spec is because after re-doing my skills numerous times I myself have yet to find that magic spec you speak of.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:28 PM by paqdizzle

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:25 PM
DOOOD. You cant have it all.

Scouts spec 4 lines: stealth archery shield and a weapon.

Rangers spec 5 lines, with the same amount of points. stealth archery weapon CD and Pathfinding.

Melee rangers, on average, have 12bow from the autotrain. Thats it. They have to drop bow to push PF and weapons up to a level that can compete with assassins.

You are screaming at the sky here without even asking what the class can and cant do to better your play.

Enlighten us! How should I spec my ranger to be melee while having a bow spec as powerful as a scout. Please tell me what this magic spec is because after re-doing my skills numerous times I myself have yet to find that magic spec you speak of.

rr6l6 Haxxo 600 flat with crit shots, melee was 133 off hand 66................. Shut the fuck up. ask him.
I hit him with my crit shot and did 618.... my melee? don't even get me started.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:32 PM by paqdizzle

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:25 PM
DOOOD. You cant have it all.

Scouts spec 4 lines: stealth archery shield and a weapon.

Rangers spec 5 lines, with the same amount of points. stealth archery weapon CD and Pathfinding.

Melee rangers, on average, have 12bow from the autotrain. Thats it. They have to drop bow to push PF and weapons up to a level that can compete with assassins.

You are screaming at the sky here without even asking what the class can and cant do to better your play.

Enlighten us! How should I spec my ranger to be melee while having a bow spec as powerful as a scout. Please tell me what this magic spec is because after re-doing my skills numerous times I myself have yet to find that magic spec you speak of.

DUUUUDE, I'm literally asking for JUST BOW!!!!!!! I don't want melee damage as a scout cause it's trash, I don't want anything but 42 shield for slam, no retarded ass snare.. we don't NEED THAT... we NEED OUR BOW DAMAGE BACK... that's literally what I've been saying thins whole time dude... Dude... Dude...

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:34 PM by daytonchambers

I'ts pretty obvious that you are just here to rant and throw insults at people.

I'm out

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:37 PM by paqdizzle

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:34 PM
I'ts pretty obvious that you are just here to rant and throw insults at people.

I'm out

exactly... byeeeee

This is why this server is in it's current state.. People like you.. NO IM RIGHT NOT YOUUUUU even though I have physical evidence, QQ so damn hard on defending shit that is clearly unbalanced for this server's current state. Dunno what type of elitist you think you are, but we don't need you here at all.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:41 PM by Cadebrennus

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:34 PM
I'ts pretty obvious that you are just here to rant and throw insults at people.

I'm out

Exactly. Trying to respond to posts by this paqdizzle guy is like arguing with a wall of stupid.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 PM by paqdizzle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:41 PM
daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:34 PM
I'ts pretty obvious that you are just here to rant and throw insults at people.

I'm out

Exactly. Trying to respond to posts by this paqdizzle guy is like arguing with a wall of stupid.

Troll 101: flood the thread with arguments that hold no merit even when evidence is brought to light, then say all sorts of shit that has nothing to do with the OP until GM or devs close thread. but then turn around and blame the guy agreeing with how unbalanced things are. yall are bums.

if you don't believe me, go make a scout get him rr5 and temp him out any way you see fit.. and PLEASE DO make a melee scout, let me know how that works out.
^ regarding that, SL pots wouldn't be an issue if classes weren't gimped around it. <- this is the only point that is being made by me.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:07 PM by thirian24

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:14 PM
HOW IS IT WRONG IF THATS WHAT IM GETTING HIT FOR FULLY TEMPED?!?!?!!? I'll take Screen shots for you next time.. simple as that, give me a few days and I'll get all sorts of evidence to back what I'm saying up.. Tired of dumb fucks like you who think their elitists and only their view can be correct... I'm telling you, it is what it is.
this community is so fucking toxic it's blowing my mind... What will we find out? scouts melee will never hit for over 200 on ANY target... Rangers CAN and DO on this server.

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 PM
Troll 101: flood the thread with arguments that hold no merit even when evidence is brought to light, then say all sorts of shit that has nothing to do with the OP until GM or devs close thread. but then turn around and blame the guy agreeing with how unbalanced things are. yall are bums.

LMAO Wow.

Whos toxic?

Also, to add to this. Screams he has evidence to support his claims. People say he isn't entirely accurate for various reasons. Curses and insults them because they are disagreeing with him. Says they are elitists and trash, causing the server to tumble out of control because they don't agree with him. Doesn't produce the evidence to back his claims.

Makes total sense.

Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:10 PM by Noashakra

170 is what I do on an asn (with 5% bonus) without debuffs, with MoArcanes 5 and strenght 6 and celt > 301 str
with the yellow add dmg it's 15 more
NO WAY your scout gets hits at 170 when you have better abs and blade has a 10% malus (if the ranger is pierce, that's maybe another story, and he his gimping himself vs sins, but I think that even trollselphie is blade).
I don't even hit that hard on zerks, and I have a bonus on them with 19% abs.
You are pulling numbers out of your ass.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:22 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:20 PM
People wanna tell me I only leech, or I'm a PoS 8l5 scout thatonly ganks with a zerg yet that SAME GUY (Riac) was buddy buddy with a VW at beno ganking solo with the VW including me LOL and I was solo... Same person in here flaming on me for the very reasons he's talking shit on me... and goes and does it himself but worse... lmao man you guys are special.

are you talking about that r6 firby vw with the red scythe?? lol i have no clue who that guy is. he just wasnt adding my fights because i wasnt adding on his. see how that works???
and, i was pretty sure you were that info named wimpo. seems like you two never had a separate target tbh.
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Paquette
i believe that stats speak for them self. 9.1k total kills, 143 solo kills. you do only gank with a zerg (a stealth group hunting inferior numbers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg, colloquial means it is not a literal definition, but an understood one among a community) and pretty much never ever kill anything by yourself.
if you were to quit playing today, the community as a whole would experience much more solo fights and less adding.

before you start going on about how weak and shit you are or how sl pots keep you from making rps or w/e. ask this guy how he manages to not be a huge cunt like the rest of the scouts. (idk this guy but his stats look decent, for all i know he kills xpers all day lol. atleast he isnt adding on fights though lol.)
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Talrias

Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:28 AM by Noashakra

Zergers live in an alternate reality where they are good and solo all the time. Parole is the same.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:58 PM by paqdizzle

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 11:10 PM
170 is what I do on an asn (with 5% bonus) without debuffs, with MoArcanes 5 and strenght 6 and celt > 301 str
with the yellow add dmg it's 15 more
NO WAY your scout gets hits at 170 when you have better abs and blade has a 10% malus (if the ranger is pierce, that's maybe another story, and he his gimping himself vs sins, but I think that even trollselphie is blade).
I don't even hit that hard on zerks, and I have a bonus on them with 19% abs.
You are pulling numbers out of your ass.

trollselfi hit me last night in my arm for over 200 main hand. ur right, I lied... it was more.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:00 PM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:22 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:20 PM
People wanna tell me I only leech, or I'm a PoS 8l5 scout thatonly ganks with a zerg yet that SAME GUY (Riac) was buddy buddy with a VW at beno ganking solo with the VW including me LOL and I was solo... Same person in here flaming on me for the very reasons he's talking shit on me... and goes and does it himself but worse... lmao man you guys are special.

are you talking about that r6 firby vw with the red scythe?? lol i have no clue who that guy is. he just wasnt adding my fights because i wasnt adding on his. see how that works???
and, i was pretty sure you were that info named wimpo. seems like you two never had a separate target tbh.
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Paquette
i believe that stats speak for them self. 9.1k total kills, 143 solo kills. you do only gank with a zerg (a stealth group hunting inferior numbers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg, colloquial means it is not a literal definition, but an understood one among a community) and pretty much never ever kill anything by yourself.
if you were to quit playing today, the community as a whole would experience much more solo fights and less adding.

before you start going on about how weak and shit you are or how sl pots keep you from making rps or w/e. ask this guy how he manages to not be a huge cunt like the rest of the scouts. (idk this guy but his stats look decent, for all i know he kills xpers all day lol. atleast he isnt adding on fights though lol.)
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Talrias

I was fighting that VW when you added first lol I was on the bridge and was shooting him and here comes you creepin in rofl tf up

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:05 PM by paqdizzle

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 10:07 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:14 PM
HOW IS IT WRONG IF THATS WHAT IM GETTING HIT FOR FULLY TEMPED?!?!?!!? I'll take Screen shots for you next time.. simple as that, give me a few days and I'll get all sorts of evidence to back what I'm saying up.. Tired of dumb fucks like you who think their elitists and only their view can be correct... I'm telling you, it is what it is.
this community is so fucking toxic it's blowing my mind... What will we find out? scouts melee will never hit for over 200 on ANY target... Rangers CAN and DO on this server.

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 8:51 PM
man this forum is full of fucks.. straight Fucks..

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:45 PM
Troll 101: flood the thread with arguments that hold no merit even when evidence is brought to light, then say all sorts of shit that has nothing to do with the OP until GM or devs close thread. but then turn around and blame the guy agreeing with how unbalanced things are. yall are bums.

LMAO Wow.

Whos toxic?

Also, to add to this. Screams he has evidence to support his claims. People say he isn't entirely accurate for various reasons. Curses and insults them because they are disagreeing with him. Says they are elitists and trash, causing the server to tumble out of control because they don't agree with him. Doesn't produce the evidence to back his claims.

Makes total sense.

Who's toxic? go highlight the comments directed towards the OP and me when this first started rolling down hill.... You'll see there is a reason I talk shit.. I could care less until you piss me off. That's human nature. his very first comment was resentful and hateful.. after a perfectly well stated OP comment. no hate until he came in... and YES Troll 101... Look at how fast they changed their subjects.... you can read correct? go back and just do your homework before you blame me lmao. I'm a nerd.. I rage.. I get triggered. I care less. it is what it is, but I didn't start this mess. not even close. it's YOU GUYS that are ruining this thread. Simple as that. Then people wanna bring up RR and ganking and leeching and being a PoS class... LOL shuuuut uuuuuuuup... if this were in real life you all would be the quiet kid letting the bully beat up on innocent people ffs.. but here you all have balls. cool..

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:11 PM by paqdizzle

I'm raging, the other 3 are just lame ass people who think they know but don't know...Most likely use SL pots on every toon and LOVE IT so when a thread pops up with intent to mitigate the re-use or the duration or removal of said item, they "Troll 101...." Just read it. go back to page 1 and watch how my frustration grows on comments NOT directed towards the threads intent. it's fucking annoying. I didn't even start throwing names out or insulting people until I got that treatment, so I called him names as he called me names.. who tf cares. This thread is about SL pots creating an imbalance towards stealthers. this should be obvious seeing how they are only used to find stealthers, lol then we get made fun of and people say "Oh well you guys vanish and only gank" and blah blah blah blah... "Who's toxic"... lmfao exactly.. go back and find out. I'm just the guy who got pissed, they are the toxicity. Just because I'm blunt with my words doesn't mean I speak less truth.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:15 PM by paqdizzle

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:00 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:22 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:20 PM
People wanna tell me I only leech, or I'm a PoS 8l5 scout thatonly ganks with a zerg yet that SAME GUY (Riac) was buddy buddy with a VW at beno ganking solo with the VW including me LOL and I was solo... Same person in here flaming on me for the very reasons he's talking shit on me... and goes and does it himself but worse... lmao man you guys are special.

are you talking about that r6 firby vw with the red scythe?? lol i have no clue who that guy is. he just wasnt adding my fights because i wasnt adding on his. see how that works???
and, i was pretty sure you were that info named wimpo. seems like you two never had a separate target tbh.
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Paquette
i believe that stats speak for them self. 9.1k total kills, 143 solo kills. you do only gank with a zerg (a stealth group hunting inferior numbers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg, colloquial means it is not a literal definition, but an understood one among a community) and pretty much never ever kill anything by yourself.
if you were to quit playing today, the community as a whole would experience much more solo fights and less adding.

before you start going on about how weak and shit you are or how sl pots keep you from making rps or w/e. ask this guy how he manages to not be a huge cunt like the rest of the scouts. (idk this guy but his stats look decent, for all i know he kills xpers all day lol. atleast he isnt adding on fights though lol.)
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Talrias

I was fighting that VW when you added first lol I was on the bridge and was shooting him and here comes you creepin in rofl tf up

it's almost as if you're not reading my comments on purpose and re-repeating spam... those 143 solo kills is when Bow damage wasn't nerffed... so I solo'ed with my PoS scout a lot... then out of the blue the ninja nerf happened and I couldn't solo with my PoS Scout anymore... it lasted 143 kills long lmao...
and no if we're not outnumbering our opponent(s), we're not zerging.. we're not a zerg and no I don't run with the BG zerg.... I'm sure if you just ask albs they could tell you I don't zerg.. in fact the most I do majority of the time is 4 man...

Now with that toxicity being said: See what I mean about the Thread's OP comments? out the window cause someone wants to bring up useless information and still get schooled but don't worry, you can't learn anything if you don't read. ffs... like 10+ pages of spam that has NOTHING to do with the OP...

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:17 PM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:00 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:22 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 9:20 PM
People wanna tell me I only leech, or I'm a PoS 8l5 scout thatonly ganks with a zerg yet that SAME GUY (Riac) was buddy buddy with a VW at beno ganking solo with the VW including me LOL and I was solo... Same person in here flaming on me for the very reasons he's talking shit on me... and goes and does it himself but worse... lmao man you guys are special.

are you talking about that r6 firby vw with the red scythe?? lol i have no clue who that guy is. he just wasnt adding my fights because i wasnt adding on his. see how that works???
and, i was pretty sure you were that info named wimpo. seems like you two never had a separate target tbh.
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Paquette
i believe that stats speak for them self. 9.1k total kills, 143 solo kills. you do only gank with a zerg (a stealth group hunting inferior numbers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg, colloquial means it is not a literal definition, but an understood one among a community) and pretty much never ever kill anything by yourself.
if you were to quit playing today, the community as a whole would experience much more solo fights and less adding.

before you start going on about how weak and shit you are or how sl pots keep you from making rps or w/e. ask this guy how he manages to not be a huge cunt like the rest of the scouts. (idk this guy but his stats look decent, for all i know he kills xpers all day lol. atleast he isnt adding on fights though lol.)
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Talrias

I was fighting that VW when you added first lol I was on the bridge and was shooting him and here comes you creepin in rofl tf up

id like to know what you mean by fighting that VW and was the VW already fighting someone else lol? cause i know for damn sure i didnt add on you while you were meleeing someone or even in the general area of someone lol

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:21 PM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:17 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:00 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 6:22 AM
are you talking about that r6 firby vw with the red scythe?? lol i have no clue who that guy is. he just wasnt adding my fights because i wasnt adding on his. see how that works???
and, i was pretty sure you were that info named wimpo. seems like you two never had a separate target tbh.
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Paquette
i believe that stats speak for them self. 9.1k total kills, 143 solo kills. you do only gank with a zerg (a stealth group hunting inferior numbers is colloquially known as a stealth zerg, colloquial means it is not a literal definition, but an understood one among a community) and pretty much never ever kill anything by yourself.
if you were to quit playing today, the community as a whole would experience much more solo fights and less adding.

before you start going on about how weak and shit you are or how sl pots keep you from making rps or w/e. ask this guy how he manages to not be a huge cunt like the rest of the scouts. (idk this guy but his stats look decent, for all i know he kills xpers all day lol. atleast he isnt adding on fights though lol.)
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Talrias

I was fighting that VW when you added first lol I was on the bridge and was shooting him and here comes you creepin in rofl tf up
id like to know what you mean by fighting that VW and was the VW already fighting someone else lol? cause i know for damn sure i didnt add on you while you were meleeing someone or even in the general area of someone lol

more spam.... I initiated the fight with the VW first as he was on land, I ofc being a scout had to run and re-stealth so I could gain an advantage on him, at this point he got added... noticed how his HP was lower than 100%!?!?!? that was me until the other alb added. You added me twice while fighting that VW both times.. that 2 times you added on MY fight.. so.. looks like a PoS scout isn't the only one who can only add fights aye?

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:27 PM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:21 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:17 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:00 PM
I was fighting that VW when you added first lol I was on the bridge and was shooting him and here comes you creepin in rofl tf up
id like to know what you mean by fighting that VW and was the VW already fighting someone else lol? cause i know for damn sure i didnt add on you while you were meleeing someone or even in the general area of someone lol

more spam.... I initiated the fight with the VW first as he was on land, I ofc being a scout had to run and re-stealth so I could gain an advantage on him, at this point he got added... noticed how his HP was lower than 100%!?!?!? that was me until the other alb added. You added me twice while fighting that VW both times.. that 2 times you added on MY fight.. so.. looks like a PoS scout isn't the only one who can only add fights aye?

no, i didnt notice the person's hp that i was not looking at was lower. you and wimpo were trying to duo everything out there and when i go to kill wimpo, boldish's lame ass jumps in to help him. tbh, ill add every single scout i see, you guys are trash (i know its hypocritical, but you dont get to add on everything you see and expect ppl to respect your fights). roll a real class, noob.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:36 PM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:27 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:21 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:17 PM
id like to know what you mean by fighting that VW and was the VW already fighting someone else lol? cause i know for damn sure i didnt add on you while you were meleeing someone or even in the general area of someone lol

more spam.... I initiated the fight with the VW first as he was on land, I ofc being a scout had to run and re-stealth so I could gain an advantage on him, at this point he got added... noticed how his HP was lower than 100%!?!?!? that was me until the other alb added. You added me twice while fighting that VW both times.. that 2 times you added on MY fight.. so.. looks like a PoS scout isn't the only one who can only add fights aye?
no, i didnt notice the person's hp that i was not looking at was lower. you and wimpo were trying to duo everything out there and when i go to kill wimpo, boldish's lame ass jumps in to help him. tbh, ill add every single scout i see, you guys are trash (i know its hypocritical, but you dont get to add on everything you see and expect ppl to respect your fights). roll a real class, noob.

I only mentioned adding fights cause you were using it towards me as if that's all I do. then you go and do it on the very person you hated on for ASSUMING that's all I did. lol, Wimplo isn't a scout

you can add any fight you want, I don't care about people adding fight in daoc. it's RvR, but it's not what I do unless I have a current grudge on said target.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:38 PM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:36 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:27 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:21 PM
more spam.... I initiated the fight with the VW first as he was on land, I ofc being a scout had to run and re-stealth so I could gain an advantage on him, at this point he got added... noticed how his HP was lower than 100%!?!?!? that was me until the other alb added. You added me twice while fighting that VW both times.. that 2 times you added on MY fight.. so.. looks like a PoS scout isn't the only one who can only add fights aye?
no, i didnt notice the person's hp that i was not looking at was lower. you and wimpo were trying to duo everything out there and when i go to kill wimpo, boldish's lame ass jumps in to help him. tbh, ill add every single scout i see, you guys are trash (i know its hypocritical, but you dont get to add on everything you see and expect ppl to respect your fights). roll a real class, noob.

I only mentioned adding fights cause you were using it towards me as if that's all I do. then you go and do it on the very person you hated on for ASSUMING that's all I did. lol, Wimplo isn't a scout you can add any fight you want, I don't care about people adding fight in daoc. it's RvR, but it's not what I do unless I have a current grudge on said target.

i know, hes a inf in green armor. that IS all you do. you have 9k fucking kills and 140 solo. ALL THAT YOU DO IN THIS GAME IS STEALTH ZERG AND ADD *edit: and then pretend that you dont ROFL*. ima spam it as many times as needed to get through that dense skull.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 7:42 PM by

Beckett

Ladies and Gentlemen, please stay on topic for the thread.

Wed 22 Apr 2020 11:43 PM by thirian24

I don't use SL when I'm on my sneak, although I should. But from now on, I'm going to carry SL when I'm running visit in my 8man just so I can fuck with the stealth zergers and ruin their night like they to everyone else.

Back on topic:
Whenever something is done about stealth zergers, I'd be totally ok with them removing SL. Not until then.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM by Stynkfyst28

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 11:43 PM
I don't use SL when I'm on my sneak, although I should. But from now on, I'm going to carry SL when I'm running visit in my 8man just so I can fuck with the stealth zergers and ruin their night like they to everyone else.

Back on topic:
Whenever something is done about stealth zergers, I'd be totally ok with them removing SL. Not until then.

The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 2:20 AM by paqdizzle

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 11:43 PM
I don't use SL when I'm on my sneak, although I should. But from now on, I'm going to carry SL when I'm running visit in my 8man just so I can fuck with the stealth zergers and ruin their night like they to everyone else.

Back on topic:
Whenever something is done about stealth zergers, I'd be totally ok with them removing SL. Not until then.

The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

What was once capable of solo action- now requires more bodies unless you're high RR (as sneaks). So when you get "Zergged" by a 4 man and you're solo- Don't blame ALL stealthers. it just doesn't make sense.

And "whenever something is done about stealth zergers" makes me think, well, before SL pots, they got scouts bow damage ninja nerffed, PA was whittled down to a tickle(damage wise in comparison) and to boot: SL pots are a thing here on an SI based server. So there was already something done about these stealthers. Now we have to be in a small man or high RR if we want action(without ganks/zergs) :/ kinda sucks but it's W/E, that's why SL pots can be frustrating, otherwise I'd say KEEP those SL pots.

If everything else about Sneaks is being nerffed or already has been on this server, it's just insult to injury at this point with the SL pots. Like I said, I'd totally want them to stay IF we weren't already suffering.

The fact is: Sneaks get zergged down by fully synergized small mans -to- 8mans that only zerg them down due to KNOWING they can get a gank. otherwise they wouldn't need SL pots to find them for ez RPs.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:47 AM by Kimahri

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Nice try, being in a stealth zerg still won't save you from an 8man, the reason why stealth zergs exist is because these players wouldn't make rp otherwise. They can't kill anything by themself, and a stealth zerg is different from a 4-5 visible group because of stealth, they can avoid other smallman/8man and gank all day.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 6:02 AM by inoeth

Kimahri wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:47 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Nice try, being in a stealth zerg still won't save you from an 8man, the reason why stealth zergs exist is because these players wouldn't make rp otherwise. They can't kill anything by themself, and a stealth zerg is different from a 4-5 visible group because of stealth, they can avoid other smallman/8man and gank all day.

100%

if i meet mysteri or bibishady solo, i kill them every time even though they are rr11 and im only rr9 yet

they are just very very bad players

Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:12 AM by Sepplord

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 11:43 PM
I don't use SL when I'm on my sneak, although I should. But from now on, I'm going to carry SL when I'm running visit in my 8man just so I can fuck with the stealth zergers and ruin their night like they to everyone else.

Back on topic:
Whenever something is done about stealth zergers, I'd be totally ok with them removing SL. Not until then.

The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Because they get rundown with SL by an 8man the solostealth group up and then get run down as 4-5man by the 8man with SL...

Nothing changes. That is a really lame excuse for running a group of stealthers

Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:32 AM by Riac

if youre having this many run-ins with 8 mans, youre either playing eu time (lol) or not being very sneaky on your sneak. i get added WAY more by randos than 8 mans. i also think that yall are not good at getting away from visis in general, even w/o sl pots.
i'm not having the same problems as you guys ( you know who you are) and getting run down does happen, im betting most of the other ppl in here arent experiencing it nearly to the degree you guys are making it out to be.
id suggest you record yourself playing one night and just give that footage a look over. i bet youll see all sorts of dumbass shit that youre doing in terms of positioning and decision making.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 10:20 AM by Noashakra

inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 6:02 AM
Kimahri wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:47 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Nice try, being in a stealth zerg still won't save you from an 8man, the reason why stealth zergs exist is because these players wouldn't make rp otherwise. They can't kill anything by themself, and a stealth zerg is different from a 4-5 visible group because of stealth, they can avoid other smallman/8man and gank all day.

100%

if i meet mysteri or bibishady solo, i kill them every time even though they are rr11 and im only rr9 yet they are just very very bad players

Mysteri can't even land a PA on a ministel stun.
Mysteri, bibi, any SL, Barry, Haches, Parole and all those people are less difficult to beat 1vs1 than some fresh new 4L SB/Inf
They will find any excuses to group up and justify their zerg.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 10:50 AM by Lillebror

I dont defend playing 4+ in a stealth grp but hey, they play a game and have fun. As soon as You see one of there kill spam, just leave and find fights somewhere else.

It never gets old in this game that ppl wanna tell others how to play it.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 11:51 AM by Sepplord

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 10:50 AM
I dont defend playing 4+ in a stealth grp but hey, they play a game and have fun. As soon as You see one of there kill spam, just leave and find fights somewhere else.

It never gets old in this game that ppl wanna tell others how to play it.

Definitely, but then they should man up and just say that.

Claiming that you only group with 4 other stealthers because solo SL-8mans keep farming you is just bullshit. And complaining that anyone ganks you in an unfair fight with SL-potions when ganking others from stealth with superior numbers is your core gameplay is also hypocritcial bullshit

Thu 23 Apr 2020 12:41 PM by dbeattie71

Riac wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:32 AM
if youre having this many run-ins with 8 mans, youre either playing eu time (lol) or not being very sneaky on your sneak. i get added WAY more by randos than 8 mans. i also think that yall are not good at getting away from visis in general, even w/o sl pots.
i'm not having the same problems as you guys ( you know who you are) and getting run down does happen, im betting most of the other ppl in here arent experiencing it nearly to the degree you guys are making it out to be.
id suggest you record yourself playing one night and just give that footage a look over. i bet youll see all sorts of dumbass shit that youre doing in terms of positioning and decision making.

Agree, I don’t have vanish on my shade and don’t get run over like that. But I’m a sneaky mfr lol.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:10 PM by Pigleto

I think they should make stealth lore potions affect people who solo. I see no problem with a 1v1 or if you want you an make the cap no more than a 4 man. Stealth lore potions for 8 mans is just free rps for 8 mans. I would also shorten the duration to 30 seconds.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 2:20 PM by Renork

Pigleto wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:10 PM
I think they should make stealth lore potions affect people who solo. I see no problem with a 1v1 or if you want you an make the cap no more than a 4 man. Stealth lore potions for 8 mans is just free rps for 8 mans. I would also shorten the duration to 30 seconds.

Just like solo/duo players are free rps to stealth zergs. Such is the circle of life~ you roll lower numbers with higher numbers and in return you get run over by higher numbers with SL pots, l o l.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 2:23 PM by Stynkfyst28

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:12 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Apr 2020 11:43 PM
I don't use SL when I'm on my sneak, although I should. But from now on, I'm going to carry SL when I'm running visit in my 8man just so I can fuck with the stealth zergers and ruin their night like they to everyone else.

Back on topic:
Whenever something is done about stealth zergers, I'd be totally ok with them removing SL. Not until then.

The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Because they get rundown with SL by an 8man the solostealth group up and then get run down as 4-5man by the 8man with SL...

Nothing changes. That is a really lame excuse for running a group of stealthers

Dude it is really no different that a 8 man of vissies with full synergy rofl. you guys really are cry babies about 4 stealthers killing you. Why you guys get mad? because you can't see the 4m so you couldn't run and hide at the keep like most do? get over it. Truth is more die to 8 man vissies than anything else.... Stealthers wouldn't have to run deep if people actually played daoc the way it was ment to be played. Not just hump keeps and zerg. a 4m of stealthers don't even have heals rofl easiest kills ever. But yet you have full synergy 8 mans ONLY hunting small mans and solo and avoiding other 8m. you guys think stealthers are the problem of the server? you got to be kidding me search the forums more people complain about 8 man vissie grps than anything else.

PS zerg means you were out numbered not the same number of people so a 4m vrs 4m is not a zerg even if it is stealthers…..

Thu 23 Apr 2020 2:56 PM by Sepplord

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 2:23 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:12 AM
Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 1:47 AM
The reason there is stealth zergs is because when they try to solo 8mans zerg them down. I don't blame stealther for running 4-5 deep no different than a 4-5 man vissie grp to be honest.

Because they get rundown with SL by an 8man the solostealth group up and then get run down as 4-5man by the 8man with SL...

Nothing changes. That is a really lame excuse for running a group of stealthers

Dude it is really no different that a 8 man of vissies with full synergy rofl. you guys really are cry babies about 4 stealthers killing you. Why you guys get mad? because you can't see the 4m so you couldn't run and hide at the keep like most do? get over it. Truth is more die to 8 man vissies than anything else.... Stealthers wouldn't have to run deep if people actually played daoc the way it was ment to be played. Not just hump keeps and zerg. a 4m of stealthers don't even have heals rofl easiest kills ever. But yet you have full synergy 8 mans ONLY hunting small mans and solo and avoiding other 8m. you guys think stealthers are the problem of the server? you got to be kidding me search the forums more people complain about 8 man vissie grps than anything else.

PS zerg means you were out numbered not the same number of people so a 4m vrs 4m is not a zerg even if it is stealthers…..

I play 99% of my playtime in grps of 3-5, very seldom a 6th friend is online. I am not complaining about stealthergroups, i like when we find them. Easy-RPs and a pat on the back from your realms soloers.
And when they add fights they die more often than we do. Personally my RP-balance vs stealthzergers is clearly positiv.
Only once have we actively been attacked by a stealthgrp, and they were 7 VS us 4. It was a nice fight and we lost. Nothing to wine about, would rematch anytime.

All of that doesn't change the facts though. I simply call out when people make bad arguments. I haven't insulted your playstyle. But when you claim you group because of 8mans then that's just bullshit and nothing else. Because you get farmed by the fullgrp either way when they find you, no matter if you are solo or have 4friends with you. (In fact, they probably find you more often when you are grouped because others alert them). I am sure that the regularstealthzerger would be far more dangerous if they played a visible smallman instead. And it would result in overall more good fights imo....but it's not my decision to make.

I agree that plenty of the 8mans running around are just as hypocritical and lie when they claim that they only care about good and fair fights. But that is a strawman and doesn't change anything about paqdizzles excuses being made in bad faith. That's what i called out, not more not less

Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:12 PM by thirian24

I remember back in the day, when there was way way WAY less stealth zerging going on. Mainly just the stealth legends people on alb (b.c albs is the home of stealth zergs). There were TONS of people out soloing, respecting fights and generally the solo action was a million times better than it is now. You wanna know what has changed? An influx of very terrible players that use safety in numbers and stealth to win their fights. That influx of terrible play style has driven away the once thriving solo community. There aren't many of us left, very few.

But yeah, keep making posts about how yall are fighting other grps, killing 8mans, soloing when you choose to. B/c we all can see right through your bullshit. Just like everyone that makes the same claims you do.

Im done with this topic, im done arguing with stealth zergers and im done trying to defend my stance on a play style that is basically dead, due to trashy players.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 6:31 PM by Cadebrennus

Riac wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:32 AM
if youre having this many run-ins with 8 mans, youre either playing eu time (lol) or not being very sneaky on your sneak. i get added WAY more by randos than 8 mans. i also think that yall are not good at getting away from visis in general, even w/o sl pots.
i'm not having the same problems as you guys ( you know who you are) and getting run down does happen, im betting most of the other ppl in here arent experiencing it nearly to the degree you guys are making it out to be.
id suggest you record yourself playing one night and just give that footage a look over. i bet youll see all sorts of dumbass shit that youre doing in terms of positioning and decision making.

I couldn't agree more. The few times I've been able to play lately I still haven't been found by Visis even with a 16 stealth spec. I ran with a similar low stealth spec on Live and was rarely found. Meanwhile I remember other Stealthers with comp 50 stealth bitching about stealthlore/etc., but they would literally stand stealthed in the middle of a road lol.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 8:43 PM by Kimahri

At this point I just want to know who stinky's toon is in game so i can go out of my way to add him, already got pacquette on the list.

Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:30 PM by easytoremember

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:12 PM
I remember back in the day, when there was way way WAY less stealth zerging going on. Mainly just the stealth legends people on alb (b.c albs is the home of stealth zergs). There were TONS of people out soloing, respecting fights and generally the solo action was a million times better than it is now. You wanna know what has changed?

Porting around everywhere erased converging solo traffic, visible solos gradually gave up killing things alone, stealthers became starved of lone targets, stealthers band together more frequently

whoa

Thu 23 Apr 2020 11:03 PM by paqdizzle

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqUVGxHJWU1HyMVWcTTSV3evt0sqGtl8S6UOS1 : FG mids vs 1 sneak, used SL pots to find him.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipP-LIe0em2DBLFGjxYnNHM1SZHufqh9IRvvjSMU : Another FG vs 1 sneak with SL pots popped as I was leaving.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOrfZiTj5JDnvl5L_fTBRzDbsA-D-3XQa81HKer : just some goofing off, got spotted by a sneak that used SL for his buddies. ( I forget, there are another few mids that jumped in on this but weren't in screen. either way ^^ FG visies never gank remember...

I'm going to keep taking pics of the ganks that I come across on the daily. Video would be better but I usually forget when I start recording and end up with a 876345 gig video XD so for now. Gonna upload all the ganks on goog. (Only the ganks that were possible with SL, otherwise I'd be flooding this thread)

Edit: NEW (4/23/20) https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNaLzLYglFi2V1l0dFiRcIJP0wmIU0R_16zCd4Z Damn stealth zergs tho. SL before even engaging me found me so I had to run from the top green dot to where the pic is. But remember to hate on your local stealth zergs

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:08 AM by Mavella

None of these pictures work.

Stop liking your own posts.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 7:52 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 11:03 PM
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqUVGxHJWU1HyMVWcTTSV3evt0sqGtl8S6UOS1 : FG mids vs 1 sneak, used SL pots to find him.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipP-LIe0em2DBLFGjxYnNHM1SZHufqh9IRvvjSMU : Another FG vs 1 sneak with SL pots popped as I was leaving.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOrfZiTj5JDnvl5L_fTBRzDbsA-D-3XQa81HKer : just some goofing off, got spotted by a sneak that used SL for his buddies. ( I forget, there are another few mids that jumped in on this but weren't in screen. either way ^^ FG visies never gank remember...

I'm going to keep taking pics of the ganks that I come across on the daily. Video would be better but I usually forget when I start recording and end up with a 876345 gig video XD so for now. Gonna upload all the ganks on goog. (Only the ganks that were possible with SL, otherwise I'd be flooding this thread)

Edit: NEW (4/23/20) https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNaLzLYglFi2V1l0dFiRcIJP0wmIU0R_16zCd4Z Damn stealth zergs tho. SL before even engaging me found me so I had to run from the top green dot to where the pic is. But remember to hate on your local stealth zergs

Honesty, I think you have shitty positioning. You couldn't even make it to the alb ev bridge from beno to duel me. You have stealth and it's a 3 minute walk. Then tell me a 3 man is sl you?? Twice,at that lol, and then you burn cds on them when expecting to duel someone? !?! I think you're a bad player that makes bad in game decisions, and then want thing nerfed.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:05 AM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:30 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:12 PM
I remember back in the day, when there was way way WAY less stealth zerging going on. Mainly just the stealth legends people on alb (b.c albs is the home of stealth zergs). There were TONS of people out soloing, respecting fights and generally the solo action was a million times better than it is now. You wanna know what has changed?
Porting around everywhere erased converging solo traffic, visible solos gradually gave up killing things alone, stealthers became starved of lone targets, stealthers band together more frequently

whoa

disagree, the days that he is referring to were still NF and porting was the same then as it is now. the problem was ppl adding and being cunts and everyone got all made and tired of it and went and grinded pve on wow classic for 2 months and just said fuck it. never heard from again..... i can assure im right (in this instance), i was in the disc and read the comments. the bitching about no one being around to fight came much later, pre-covid 19 :p.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 7:00 PM by thirian24

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 9:30 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:12 PM
I remember back in the day, when there was way way WAY less stealth zerging going on. Mainly just the stealth legends people on alb (b.c albs is the home of stealth zergs). There were TONS of people out soloing, respecting fights and generally the solo action was a million times better than it is now. You wanna know what has changed?
Porting around everywhere erased converging solo traffic, visible solos gradually gave up killing things alone, stealthers became starved of lone targets, stealthers band together more frequently

whoa

Wrong

Like Riac said.

But, do you have an issues with me? Every time you quote me, it's some sarcastic bullshit, small jab or just plain incorrect statements. Who tf are you?

I'm mainly referring to the "whoa" like I'm some dumbass that doesn't know what I'm posting and when I'm referring to.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 7:54 PM by Pao

Is this an ISSUE? I play archer and sins and that somebody used SL happened once .... once.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:26 PM by easytoremember

because I was one of those visibles
Groups of stealth were never an issue ruinng anything, but groups of visibles were

When the amount of solos running around dropped to almost nothing it was always both visible groups and
stealth groups I began running into, so I quit bothering to go out just as the others did. You still see a handful still dedicated but they are nowhere near their original number and it was not caused by stealth crews

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:47 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:26 PM
because I was one of those visibles
Groups of stealth were never an issue ruinng anything, but groups of visibles were

When the amount of solos running around dropped to almost nothing it was always both visible groups and
stealth groups I began running into, so I quit bothering to go out just as the others did. You still see a handful still dedicated but they are nowhere near their original number and it was not caused by stealth crews

what was the cause then?

Fri 24 Apr 2020 11:57 PM by inoeth

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:47 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:26 PM
because I was one of those visibles
Groups of stealth were never an issue ruinng anything, but groups of visibles were

When the amount of solos running around dropped to almost nothing it was always both visible groups and
stealth groups I began running into, so I quit bothering to go out just as the others did. You still see a handful still dedicated but they are nowhere near their original number and it was not caused by stealth crews
what was the cause then?

all the fucking red is dead ppl.... when you have a k/d ratio of 1/10 because everytime you pop out of stealth 10+ add its just no fun
stealth zerg is part of the problem, not the cause

Sat 25 Apr 2020 12:06 AM by Riac

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 11:57 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:47 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:26 PM
because I was one of those visibles
Groups of stealth were never an issue ruinng anything, but groups of visibles were

When the amount of solos running around dropped to almost nothing it was always both visible groups and
stealth groups I began running into, so I quit bothering to go out just as the others did. You still see a handful still dedicated but they are nowhere near their original number and it was not caused by stealth crews
what was the cause then?

all the fucking red is dead ppl.... when you have a k/d ratio of 1/10 because everytime you pop out of stealth 10+ add its just no fun
stealth zerg is part of the problem, not the cause

obv i know that, i wanted to hear easytoremember's answer.

Sat 25 Apr 2020 12:14 AM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:47 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:26 PM
because I was one of those visibles
Groups of stealth were never an issue ruinng anything, but groups of visibles were

When the amount of solos running around dropped to almost nothing it was always both visible groups and
stealth groups I began running into, so I quit bothering to go out just as the others did. You still see a handful still dedicated but they are nowhere near their original number and it was not caused by stealth crews
what was the cause then?

Too many points of entry (-r-e-l-i-c--t-o-w-n- relic milegates, dock keep 1/2/3, bolg & its equivalents, crim & its equivalents)

The boat rides from a dock to its destination, what would otherwise be routes of travel, are voided by the boating medium (invulnerability) and the distance they cover further isolates the points of entry from one another. The destinations of the boats do the exact opposite, funneling all the docks towards 1 of 6 points

With OF there were 3 points of entry in total where 2 realms are equal and the 3rd is less likely to boast numbers due to distance

With NF any given point of entry is absolute advantage to the 3rd realm (home realm), and any boat destination is more likely to boast numbers to the 3rd realm (home realm) [coastguard]

Because of this people jumped early from boats, sat on keep walls (keep task), or hid inside towers. When they did wonder around it was usually no longer alone. The selection of targets that leaves you with became sm/bd/necro skald/champ/mins and gradually even those
fell out due to being jumped by visible groups. Waiting on SOS to refresh so you can avoid being free rp to a group gets old. Standing around at a bridge just to get run over by regular 8mans is boring. Circling keeps in clip range only to drag out a miniature zerg is a waste of time. Stealth groups had nothing to do with bringing any of that about. When people were clinging to keeps and waiting to jump
their enemies, it was visible groups subduing guards and farming the doors, farming docks, farming boat drops, farming bridges, and farming between the major keeps

Now tasks have moved away from keeps [an improvement] but players' mentality has not reverted, so you just end up running into big groups and zergs. Solo in that, visible or in stealth, is impractical

Summarily, as people attuned to NF solo pop withered and full groups became far more prevalent over smallman because the points of entry isolate the population and the pool them all at whichever destination promises action at a given time. Visiting a 'dead' point to roam around with nothing to kill puts many people off from trying, and gleaning 1 kill over the course of some hours does not satisfy the investment. The dynamic nature of NF is at complete odds with solo

One further difference is the run from pk->milegate->enemymilgate->enemy pk vs entrypoint-->dock
The distance to a dock is too insignifcant to seperate speed 5 from Hastener. The window to jump target(s) shrank badly, and the terrain near any given dock (a big hill dipping into a river) cuts off visibility from potential inc, shrinking the window further. Due to the only means of entering enemy realms being docks what was formerly split into emain/hw/odin's is constantly coalesced at 3 points (beno/bold/hurb & equivalents). Even though the many points of entry are isolated, their traffic is packed into the space of keep->dock. There is no waiting for them to seperate because reaching the dock means they're boating away or camping it- because they will jump you as soon as they see you fight

Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:34 AM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 12:14 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:47 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:26 PM
because I was one of those visibles
Groups of stealth were never an issue ruinng anything, but groups of visibles were

When the amount of solos running around dropped to almost nothing it was always both visible groups and
stealth groups I began running into, so I quit bothering to go out just as the others did. You still see a handful still dedicated but they are nowhere near their original number and it was not caused by stealth crews
what was the cause then?
Too many points of entry (-r-e-l-i-c--t-o-w-n- relic milegates, dock keep 1/2/3, bolg & its equivalents, crim & its equivalents)

The boat rides from a dock to its destination, what would otherwise be routes of travel, are voided by the boating medium (invulnerability) and the distance they cover further isolates the points of entry from one another. The destinations of the boats do the exact opposite, funneling all the docks towards 1 of 6 points

With OF there were 3 points of entry in total where 2 realms are equal and the 3rd is less likely to boast numbers due to distance

With NF any given point of entry is absolute advantage to the 3rd realm (home realm), and any boat destination is more likely to boast numbers to the 3rd realm (home realm) [coastguard]

Because of this people jumped early from boats, sat on keep walls (keep task), or hid inside towers. When they did wonder around it was usually no longer alone. The selection of targets that leaves you with became sm/bd/necro skald/champ/mins and gradually even those
fell out due to being jumped by visible groups. Waiting on SOS to refresh so you can avoid being free rp to a group gets old. Standing around at a bridge just to get run over by regular 8mans is boring. Circling keeps in clip range only to drag out a miniature zerg is a waste of time. Stealth groups had nothing to do with bringing any of that about. When people were clinging to keeps and waiting to jump
their enemies, it was visible groups subduing guards and farming the doors, farming docks, farming boat drops, farming bridges, and farming between the major keeps

Now tasks have moved away from keeps [an improvement] but players' mentality has not reverted, so you just end up running into big groups and zergs. Solo in that, visible or in stealth, is impractical

Summarily, as people attuned to NF solo pop withered and full groups became far more prevalent over smallman because the points of entry isolate the population and the pool them all at whichever destination promises action at a given time. Visiting a 'dead' point to roam around with nothing to kill puts many people off from trying, and gleaning 1 kill over the course of some hours does not satisfy the investment. The dynamic nature of NF is at complete odds with solo

One further difference is the run from pk->milegate->enemymilgate->enemy pk vs entrypoint-->dock
The distance to a dock is too insignifcant to seperate speed 5 from Hastener. The window to jump target(s) shrank badly, and the terrain near any given dock (a big hill dipping into a river) cuts off visibility from potential inc, shrinking the window further. Due to the only means of entering enemy realms being docks what was formerly split into emain/hw/odin's is constantly coalesced at 3 points (beno/bold/hurb & equivalents). Even though the many points of entry are isolated, their traffic is packed into the space of keep->dock. There is no waiting for them to seperate because reaching the dock means they're boating away or camping it- because they will jump you as soon as they see you fight

your post is just flat out wrong lol
once NF was implemented the solo scene actually thrived. OF was just a huge gangbang most of the time and you hardly had a chance to solo anything that wasnt a caster before someone ran over the hill to add or a random 8 man moving at speed 6 came from out of nowhere. NF was great for solos because is spread ppl out. much like how it is very hard to solo in EU time, too many ppl and they all add. however, na time has less ppl and is better for soloing.

Sat 25 Apr 2020 1:09 PM by Azrael

Stynkfyst28 wrote: ↑
Tue 21 Apr 2020 2:47 PM
Rofl so not true im sure hib and mid knows BUHHH very well for jumping vissies same numbers or more. Ask dwarf party they got rolled by us 6v8 gtfo lmao

hahahaha, yeah I believe you now. You mean the groups running from middle keep to poc entrance right?

Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:50 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:34 AM
once NF was implemented the solo scene actually thrived.

1000% false

Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:09 PM by Noashakra

yeah OF was better when you could not pass a gate because you had 6 stealthers behing the door or someone to pbae.
OF was horrible for soloing, it's a fact.

If solo is dying, it's because, like today, nobody has the balls to go solo or/and add everything that moves.

Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:22 PM by inoeth

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:50 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:34 AM
once NF was implemented the solo scene actually thrived.
1000% false

no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times and then you got zerged anyway. also the stupid choke points like mgs was terrible, some days you could not go past them and porting to another frontier was also not an option because nobody was there.
now its not possible anymore to do that much rp since literally everyone is adding, there is no single fight with no add anymore

Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:35 PM by gotwqqd

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:09 PM
yeah OF was better when you could not pass a gate because you had 6 stealthers behing the door or someone to pbae.
OF was horrible for soloing, it's a fact.

If solo is dying, it's because, like today, nobody has the balls to go solo or/and add everything that moves.

Not exactly true
You simply have very little chance (even if a solo stealther) of getting anything remotely possible because of the sheer number of grouped stealth era out there.

Every week goes by I see more and more of them grouping in 3, 4, 5 or even higher numbers.
Seems like the only viable solo action is a minstrel being able to hit all the xp areas in short time. And then they are killing grey cons or usually sub 45

And don’t give the story they see them as yellow con. They can see the mobs con or not kill over and over again.
I wish they would at the very least let me kill my mob before wiping me out

Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:32 PM by Nephamael

Those pots are mainly used for catching solos, defnitely remove them!

The problems with stealthers vanishing in 1v1s is a problem of honorable play

don't see a reason to counter that - if someone does it on you, just don't give him another 1v1 until he plays fair.

Sat 25 Apr 2020 10:19 PM by thirian24

Here is a sample of my game play this morning spanning about 10-15 min.

I run towards Bled docks to catch a boat, see an infil in stealth and engage a fight. 2 scouts starts shooting me.

I go over Bled bridge(in stealth), 1 NS and 2 Rangers jump me.

I go to EV task, Stealth wannabelegends zerg me down.

Bled port is lost, I port Glen.

Going to dock (in stealth) Scout and Infil jump me.

Go to Uppland docks, Mini and Infil jump me.

This was literally in like a 15min time span.

inoeth wrote:
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:50 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:34 AM
once NF was implemented the solo scene actually thrived.
1000% false

no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times and then you got zerged anyway. also the stupid choke points like mgs was terrible, some days you could not go past them and porting to another frontier was also not an option because nobody was there.
now its not possible anymore to do that much rp since literally everyone is adding, there is no single fight with no add anymore

It is basically 100% impossible to have any meaningful solo experience anymore.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:42 AM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:50 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:34 AM
once NF was implemented the solo scene actually thrived.
1000% false

what is your char name? id like to know how often youve soloed around these parts.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 5:14 AM by easytoremember

inoeth wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:22 PM
no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times

I would think so with the uncapped keep/tower multiplier that accompanied it

I was bitching in region chat throughout the test week because everywhere not-the-outer-keeps was barren deserted
Really only stunbot garnered people's attention with TWF dumps for the task ticks but so much as being near a keep or tower while someone in the vicinity of that keep/tower attacked someone counted you as being in a "fight". Multiple "fights" happening concurrently were entirely separate, so not only did the guy suiciding into the keep recieve boosted rp but all occupants of that keep/tower had multipliers tacked onto them each time it happened

The rp was big because the multiplier was big and granted. That week was essentially RR powerleveling

Sun 26 Apr 2020 6:48 AM by inoeth

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 5:14 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:22 PM
no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times
I would think so with the uncapped keep/tower multiplier that accompanied it

I was bitching in region chat throughout the test week because everywhere not-the-outer-keeps was barren deserted
Really only stunbot garnered people's attention with TWF dumps for the task ticks but so much as being near a keep or tower while someone in the vicinity of that keep/tower attacked someone counted you as being in a "fight". Multiple "fights" happening concurrently were entirely separate, so not only did the guy suiciding into the keep recieve boosted rp but all occupants of that keep/tower had multipliers tacked onto them each time it happened

The rp was big because the multiplier was big and granted. That week was essentially RR powerleveling

no i just did many solo kills without add

Sun 26 Apr 2020 6:57 AM by Noashakra

I usually go to uppland and sauvage forest because it's the only way to play solo (yeah it's fun to gank on low level on the way, but I would prefer to have nice 1vs1 duels).
Those past days it's impossible, it's full of either hibs zerging (linfa and his gang of 5 ranger/NS,or the "I desaster I" or "Morrigans Breath" that even solo adds everything that moves for 5rp, or a new guild I never heard before).

Or the other way around. Siduaras, a mincer that I fought 1vs1 SOS away without trying to hit me and comes back with his friends to zerg everything that moves (he even /rud me twice, what a nice guy)

One example from many. I don't even count the many time people baited me with a lvl 50 to arrive with ministrel speed to 4vs1 me.

So yeah SL pots to stomp on the stealth zerg are good thing.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:28 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 5:14 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:22 PM
no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times
I would think so with the uncapped keep/tower multiplier that accompanied it

I was bitching in region chat throughout the test week because everywhere not-the-outer-keeps was barren deserted
Really only stunbot garnered people's attention with TWF dumps for the task ticks but so much as being near a keep or tower while someone in the vicinity of that keep/tower attacked someone counted you as being in a "fight". Multiple "fights" happening concurrently were entirely separate, so not only did the guy suiciding into the keep recieve boosted rp but all occupants of that keep/tower had multipliers tacked onto them each time it happened

The rp was big because the multiplier was big and granted. That week was essentially RR powerleveling

see, that is where you are hung up. ppl that solo dont give any shits AT ALL about task stuff. you get RPs for killing ppl, and if youre good at it, you get more than enough. past a certain point the rps become irrelevant.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:29 PM by Riac

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:42 AM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:50 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:34 AM
once NF was implemented the solo scene actually thrived.
1000% false

what is your char name? id like to know how often youve soloed around these parts.

*crickets* funny how these ppl know so much and its just wrong lol

Sun 26 Apr 2020 7:58 PM by Fugax

I would like to thank everyone for the time invested in talking about SL pots. I would like to see more on topic discussion vs calling people out for opinions or play style. My notion for this discussion was too discuss the SL pot, and perhaps looking into decreasing it or simply removing it. A lot of talk about how SL pots was a TOA now SI talk has been interesting. Not sure why the server would introduce a TOA item when its SI basic. Then again, its now a "Custom" server. So that is pointless to argue. I see a lot of different play styles within the game, and honestly stealth does have some advantage as they are being able to hide, but if you are (sorry to call anyone out) subject to getting ganked it still was/is part of the game. I feel that is part of a "Play style" much like 8v8 vis groups. I feel that still having these SL pots takes away part of the play, and gives those with a huge advantage <having mez,heals, dps, etc> far too much gain when it comes to rvr. I am just rambling, but thank you everyone for looking or sharing your thoughts about this. Perhaps if at all, something will be looked at. Till then, happy hunting!

Sun 26 Apr 2020 8:10 PM by Riac

everyone has already voiced there opinions in the previous 20 pages. it has moved onto the reasoning behind those opinions and the validity of those reasons. hard to come to an agreement when some ppl have no clue what the reality in the game is from certain perspectives. ppl like easytoremember for one. 3 ppl with lone enforcer telling him what its like and he thinks atleast one of them is "1000% wrong"

Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:47 PM by paqdizzle

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNM-dGlp7E82KfAAcCH5W_1tfs-k9A2WWQXEAoV
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPhUUACKJ86I8hf-sTg3-uaTcCLq6_GEVSmq1dP
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMo0bpdwp8e7S63qE5Tkv0GMo-14V4pEradZR6Y
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMsc1M0HN7uG7YIwqjSRqm3i5mrO7oq2pLDA1s4 can't even see him in the tree if you tried (stealthing)
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMC_iLgslRfq0-2gtWdHdxgIEjXvFGIJFsBW-3_ Here he was lol
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMJFQZb13H063bSYYs1cTmNCbkwviZMF4fvdQM1 I lagged when I took the screenshot so he wasn't in view, but I saw him coming up from too far out :/ lol critshot just waiting for him. SL is cheese.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:56 PM by Fugax

If people are so stuck and passionate on what they have to say wouldn't it be personable to share what you think via voice? Perhaps what we need is an adult conversation to hear ppl out on discord? Thoughts? Lots can be miscued in text, and not really hearing about someones opinion. GIven if ppl act like adults in a chat vs bat shit crazy.
just a thought.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:08 PM by Noashakra

If you could post links that works for your screen shots...

Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:10 PM by Riac

Fugax wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:56 PM
If people are so stuck and passionate on what they have to say wouldn't it be personable to share what you think via voice? Perhaps what we need is an adult conversation to hear ppl out on discord? Thoughts? Lots can be miscued in text, and not really hearing about someones opinion. GIven if ppl act like adults in a chat vs bat shit crazy.
just a thought.

lol you dont have to read it. however, lets take this person above your post. this person is so dumb, he is once again posting these screenshots that dont work. this is the second time hes done this lol. he literally thinks he doesnt stealth zerg and add, he has 9k kills and 140 solos. these ppl are delusional, but i have fun arguing with them and no on is making you read it.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:13 PM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:47 PM
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNM-dGlp7E82KfAAcCH5W_1tfs-k9A2WWQXEAoV
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPhUUACKJ86I8hf-sTg3-uaTcCLq6_GEVSmq1dP
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMo0bpdwp8e7S63qE5Tkv0GMo-14V4pEradZR6Y
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMsc1M0HN7uG7YIwqjSRqm3i5mrO7oq2pLDA1s4 can't even see him in the tree if you tried (stealthing)
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMC_iLgslRfq0-2gtWdHdxgIEjXvFGIJFsBW-3_ Here he was lol
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMJFQZb13H063bSYYs1cTmNCbkwviZMF4fvdQM1 I lagged when I took the screenshot so he wasn't in view, but I saw him coming up from too far out :/ lol critshot just waiting for him. SL is cheese.

the only cheese is your lame as stealth zerg. im glad these 8 mans are pounding you and your friends in the ass. its what you deserve.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:13 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:47 PM
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNM-dGlp7E82KfAAcCH5W_1tfs-k9A2WWQXEAoV
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPhUUACKJ86I8hf-sTg3-uaTcCLq6_GEVSmq1dP
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMo0bpdwp8e7S63qE5Tkv0GMo-14V4pEradZR6Y
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMsc1M0HN7uG7YIwqjSRqm3i5mrO7oq2pLDA1s4 can't even see him in the tree if you tried (stealthing)
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMC_iLgslRfq0-2gtWdHdxgIEjXvFGIJFsBW-3_ Here he was lol
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMJFQZb13H063bSYYs1cTmNCbkwviZMF4fvdQM1 I lagged when I took the screenshot so he wasn't in view, but I saw him coming up from too far out :/ lol critshot just waiting for him. SL is cheese.

the only cheese is your lame as stealth zerg. im glad these 8 mans are pounding you and your friends in the ass. its what you deserve.

I was solo lol... but okay.. These screen shots do work. Look how far out I see them. it's before their name plates even get on screen lolol tf outta here.
Riac, I've gotten 26 solo kills since you last complaining about my 140 lol. Yes you're right though, those 8mans just pop SL and find me with such skill

But let's ignore how I 1v1 lonelyheart and won without IP or Purge. I'm still a scrub tho?! lol I went out of my way to find high RR players and won most if not all of them 1v1. Stop bashing me about my skill.. I don't get any credit for solo when I solo, I don't get any credit for getting the W vs Exo, Lonelyheart, theboogeyman, Hairuwyn, Haxxo, Griis, Trellina as a rr8l7 scout.... Stop bashing the thread with nonsense that doesn't pertain to the OP. There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.. Riac is one of them.

Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:42 PM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:13 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:47 PM
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNM-dGlp7E82KfAAcCH5W_1tfs-k9A2WWQXEAoV
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPhUUACKJ86I8hf-sTg3-uaTcCLq6_GEVSmq1dP
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMo0bpdwp8e7S63qE5Tkv0GMo-14V4pEradZR6Y
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMsc1M0HN7uG7YIwqjSRqm3i5mrO7oq2pLDA1s4 can't even see him in the tree if you tried (stealthing)
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMC_iLgslRfq0-2gtWdHdxgIEjXvFGIJFsBW-3_ Here he was lol
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMJFQZb13H063bSYYs1cTmNCbkwviZMF4fvdQM1 I lagged when I took the screenshot so he wasn't in view, but I saw him coming up from too far out :/ lol critshot just waiting for him. SL is cheese.

the only cheese is your lame as stealth zerg. im glad these 8 mans are pounding you and your friends in the ass. its what you deserve.

I was solo lol... but okay.. These screen shots do work. Look how far out I see them. it's before their name plates even get on screen lolol tf outta here.
Riac, I've gotten 26 solo kills since you last complaining about my 140 lol. Yes you're right though, those 8mans just pop SL and find me with such skill But let's ignore how I 1v1 lonelyheart and won without IP or Purge. I'm still a scrub tho?! lol I went out of my way to find high RR players and won most if not all of them 1v1. Stop bashing me about my skill.. I don't get any credit for solo when I solo, I don't get any credit for getting the W vs Exo, Lonelyheart, theboogeyman, Hairuwyn, Haxxo, Griis, Trellina as a rr8l7 scout.... Stop bashing the thread with nonsense that doesn't pertain to the OP. There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.. Riac is one of them.

i assure you the links do not work. 2 ppl told you last time they didnt work, and 2 more ppl are telling you now they dont work. you must have them set to private or some shit idk, but they do not work. it gives a 404 domain error.
i dont believe that you beat any of those ppl 1v1 btw lol. were they afk running into a wall or something? when you say you were solo. do you mean that you were just not grouped while you were adding on shit?
those 8 mans are using about as much skill as your stealth zerg uses when they kill solos. quite funny seeing you dis on them when you behave in the same manner. might wanna look in the mirror.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 1:32 AM by Azrael

Nephamael wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:32 PM
Those pots are mainly used for catching solos, defnitely remove them!

The problems with stealthers vanishing in 1v1s is a problem of honorable play don't see a reason to counter that - if someone does it on you, just don't give him another 1v1 until he plays fair.

erm what? How do you want to avoid a "not honorable" engage of a stealther? Running away while being diseased and got spammed by garotte?

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@ this screenshot posting dude, your links do not work!

Mon 27 Apr 2020 3:28 AM by paqdizzle

Azrael wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 1:32 AM
Nephamael wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:32 PM
Those pots are mainly used for catching solos, defnitely remove them!

The problems with stealthers vanishing in 1v1s is a problem of honorable play don't see a reason to counter that - if someone does it on you, just don't give him another 1v1 until he plays fair.

erm what? How do you want to avoid a "not honorable" engage of a stealther? Running away while being diseased and got spammed by garotte?

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@ this screenshot posting dude, your links do not work!

I'll fix'm later. What site can I use so I can slap the URL in here? when I click my own links they work, so I'm assuming I fudged up somewhere XD.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 3:30 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:42 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:13 PM
the only cheese is your lame as stealth zerg. im glad these 8 mans are pounding you and your friends in the ass. its what you deserve.

I was solo lol... but okay.. These screen shots do work. Look how far out I see them. it's before their name plates even get on screen lolol tf outta here.
Riac, I've gotten 26 solo kills since you last complaining about my 140 lol. Yes you're right though, those 8mans just pop SL and find me with such skill But let's ignore how I 1v1 lonelyheart and won without IP or Purge. I'm still a scrub tho?! lol I went out of my way to find high RR players and won most if not all of them 1v1. Stop bashing me about my skill.. I don't get any credit for solo when I solo, I don't get any credit for getting the W vs Exo, Lonelyheart, theboogeyman, Hairuwyn, Haxxo, Griis, Trellina as a rr8l7 scout.... Stop bashing the thread with nonsense that doesn't pertain to the OP. There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.. Riac is one of them.
i assure you the links do not work. 2 ppl told you last time they didnt work, and 2 more ppl are telling you now they dont work. you must have them set to private or some shit idk, but they do not work. it gives a 404 domain error.
i dont believe that you beat any of those ppl 1v1 btw lol. were they afk running into a wall or something? when you say you were solo. do you mean that you were just not grouped while you were adding on shit?
those 8 mans are using about as much skill as your stealth zerg uses when they kill solos. quite funny seeing you dis on them when you behave in the same manner. might wanna look in the mirror.

I guess you'll have to wait for the links to work to find out. The links work for me, so I prolly used the wrong site.. using Google Photos for URL. What site should I use so you can stop spamming me? You really need to see these pics. lol I assumed that you all were saying in defense of my pics that, it's not proof. not that it was a 404 error lol CMON MAN!!! you can't blame me for responding that way.. you've been hating on me the entire time and still hating.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 4:07 AM by easytoremember

inoeth wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 6:48 AM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 5:14 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:22 PM
no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times
I would think so with the uncapped keep/tower multiplier that accompanied it

I was bitching in region chat throughout the test week because everywhere not-the-outer-keeps was barren deserted
Really only stunbot garnered people's attention with TWF dumps for the task ticks but so much as being near a keep or tower while someone in the vicinity of that keep/tower attacked someone counted you as being in a "fight". Multiple "fights" happening concurrently were entirely separate, so not only did the guy suiciding into the keep recieve boosted rp but all occupants of that keep/tower had multipliers tacked onto them each time it happened

The rp was big because the multiplier was big and granted. That week was essentially RR powerleveling

no i just did many solo kills without add

If that were the case nobody would have been moaning about the 400k/200k spots

Mon 27 Apr 2020 4:14 AM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:28 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 5:14 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:22 PM
no i see it like riac, when nf came out here i was able to do 100k a day with my hunter solo... never could do that in of because of the insane travel times
I would think so with the uncapped keep/tower multiplier that accompanied it

I was bitching in region chat throughout the test week because everywhere not-the-outer-keeps was barren deserted
Really only stunbot garnered people's attention with TWF dumps for the task ticks but so much as being near a keep or tower while someone in the vicinity of that keep/tower attacked someone counted you as being in a "fight". Multiple "fights" happening concurrently were entirely separate, so not only did the guy suiciding into the keep recieve boosted rp but all occupants of that keep/tower had multipliers tacked onto them each time it happened

The rp was big because the multiplier was big and granted. That week was essentially RR powerleveling

see, that is where you are hung up. ppl that solo dont give any shits AT ALL about task stuff. you get RPs for killing ppl, and if youre good at it, you get more than enough. past a certain point the rps become irrelevant.

Whether you cared about task or not didn't matter. You so much as porting in to your outer keep (neither of you are going to tell me you did not) gave you stacking multipliers. The more you died that week the more exasperated the effect via porting in. The same goes for the frequency of enemies running near the keep while you're in the keep's region
Because of that multiplier your RP each task tick was bloated, and so long as you were getting kills or dying you were getting task credit

rp earned =/= solo kills

Mon 27 Apr 2020 6:12 AM by Sepplord

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM
There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.

How many are there advocating for them to get removed?

Mon 27 Apr 2020 7:20 AM by Noashakra

and funny enough, no people who solo are actively against the SL potions...

Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:47 AM by paqdizzle

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 6:12 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM
There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.

How many are there advocating for them to get removed?

I don't even want them removed lol. Just mitigated. they are too easy mode. I use them :/ Once I fix the picture links you'll see if you don't know already. I was on the dirt before the docks, and saw someone at the very end of it trying to buy a boat, was able to shoot him XD, I dunno, I just felt like I shouldn't be able to have a 1 minute buff that can be re-used in 5 seconds. Maybe make it last 30 seconds or something? re-use of a min? is that too much to ask for? I'm not here to try and argue with people. just trying to see who all really thinks they are fine like this. :/ sucks cause I use them and see how ez mode it is first hand... then get bashed by people here for some reason lol... why? Cuz ur a PoS scout that only leeches!? except that's not true at all.. Sure I ran with the BG when I was fresh and had volly. no guild... just a guy trying to fit in. But not in months.. I've been solo and small man with my brother(s) so hate all you want I guess.(not you in particular just generally speaking)

Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:59 AM by Sepplord

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:47 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 6:12 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM
There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.

How many are there advocating for them to get removed?

I don't even want them removed lol. Just mitigated. they are too easy mode. I use them :/ Once I fix the picture links you'll see if you don't know already. I was on the dirt before the docks, and saw someone at the very end of it trying to buy a boat, was able to shoot him XD, I dunno, I just felt like I shouldn't be able to have a 1 minute buff that can be re-used in 5 seconds. Maybe make it last 30 seconds or something? re-use of a min? is that too much to ask for? I'm not here to try and argue with people. just trying to see who all really thinks they are fine like this. :/ sucks cause I use them and see how ez mode it is first hand... then get bashed by people here for some reason lol... why? Cuz ur a PoS scout that only leeches!? except that's not true at all.. Sure I ran with the BG when I was fresh and had volly. no guild... just a guy trying to fit in. But not in months.. I've been solo and small man with my brother(s) so hate all you want I guess.(not you in particular just generally speaking)

I won't comment on the "arguments" brought up by others. And mine have been laid out before, so i won't repeat them.

I just chimed in because you made a really bad one, about the amount of people against a SL change. Which has a few issues in itself. The most obvious being that you try to imply it being a low number, yet the opposing side of the argument has even fewer participants.

Imo. amount of people isn't a good metric to ever use, especially not when it'S just counting posters in a gameforum, but usually when that argument is being brought up the numbers at least favor the person making the argument

And btw. the way stealth works, sometimes you spot someone really far out. Even without an SL pot i have seen people standing quite far away, despite usually only seeing them in meleerange. And there is always the possibility of people not having capped stealth

Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:39 AM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 4:14 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:28 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 5:14 AM
I would think so with the uncapped keep/tower multiplier that accompanied it

I was bitching in region chat throughout the test week because everywhere not-the-outer-keeps was barren deserted
Really only stunbot garnered people's attention with TWF dumps for the task ticks but so much as being near a keep or tower while someone in the vicinity of that keep/tower attacked someone counted you as being in a "fight". Multiple "fights" happening concurrently were entirely separate, so not only did the guy suiciding into the keep recieve boosted rp but all occupants of that keep/tower had multipliers tacked onto them each time it happened

The rp was big because the multiplier was big and granted. That week was essentially RR powerleveling

see, that is where you are hung up. ppl that solo dont give any shits AT ALL about task stuff. you get RPs for killing ppl, and if youre good at it, you get more than enough. past a certain point the rps become irrelevant.
Whether you cared about task or not didn't matter. You so much as porting in to your outer keep (neither of you are going to tell me you did not) gave you stacking multipliers. The more you died that week the more exasperated the effect via porting in. The same goes for the frequency of enemies running near the keep while you're in the keep's region
Because of that multiplier your RP each task tick was bloated, and so long as you were getting kills or dying you were getting task credit

rp earned =/= solo kills

Regardless of whether they were bloated or not isn't relevant, if you care that much you can even see rps from kill and task rps on the herald (Wanna see some thing dumb, just look at the ppl the zerg surfs rps from tasks. It'll be like 75% task and 25% kills). Solo ppl dont chase tasks, as you assumed they do. Your idea of porting ruining solo is still just flat out wrong, 1000% wrong actually. So while this scenario might have sounded good in your head, it's not reality... as far as the rps gained back then it generally wasn't task. You don't solo around keeps, you'll be zerged or shot by npc archers that hit like a truck. There were just many more solos to fight back then. Taking more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
But hey, what do I know? I only plated and soloed then. Unlike easytorember, who has yet to say his characters name or indicate how much time he's spent soloing to experience what it's like here. He just knows all these things. To bad all the things he knows just aren't so lol.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:43 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:47 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 6:12 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 PM
There are only like 3 people here that continuously spam in defense of SL pots.

How many are there advocating for them to get removed?

I don't even want them removed lol. Just mitigated. they are too easy mode. I use them :/ Once I fix the picture links you'll see if you don't know already. I was on the dirt before the docks, and saw someone at the very end of it trying to buy a boat, was able to shoot him XD, I dunno, I just felt like I shouldn't be able to have a 1 minute buff that can be re-used in 5 seconds. Maybe make it last 30 seconds or something? re-use of a min? is that too much to ask for? I'm not here to try and argue with people. just trying to see who all really thinks they are fine like this. :/ sucks cause I use them and see how ez mode it is first hand... then get bashed by people here for some reason lol... why? Cuz ur a PoS scout that only leeches!? except that's not true at all.. Sure I ran with the BG when I was fresh and had volly. no guild... just a guy trying to fit in. But not in months.. I've been solo and small man with my brother(s) so hate all you want I guess.(not you in particular just generally speaking)

Your sls must work much better than mine. I can't stand at hastner and see someone at the ticket guy, unless they're grey or a mini. also, a visi char doesnt see as well as you do with SL up. They see about as well as a stealther does normally, and if they are moving at speed, decent chance they wont see shit.
Also, idk how your links don't work could mean anything else...

Mon 27 Apr 2020 12:37 PM by Cadebrennus

Don't stand around stealthed in obvious areas or literally in the middle of high traffic areas. Learn to use terrain and cover. Treating stealth like Harry Potter's invisibility cloak where there are stealth counter options is just plain stupid, and falls on the stealther players themselves, not the game.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 8:43 PM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:43 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:47 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 6:12 AM
How many are there advocating for them to get removed?

I don't even want them removed lol. Just mitigated. they are too easy mode. I use them :/ Once I fix the picture links you'll see if you don't know already. I was on the dirt before the docks, and saw someone at the very end of it trying to buy a boat, was able to shoot him XD, I dunno, I just felt like I shouldn't be able to have a 1 minute buff that can be re-used in 5 seconds. Maybe make it last 30 seconds or something? re-use of a min? is that too much to ask for? I'm not here to try and argue with people. just trying to see who all really thinks they are fine like this. :/ sucks cause I use them and see how ez mode it is first hand... then get bashed by people here for some reason lol... why? Cuz ur a PoS scout that only leeches!? except that's not true at all.. Sure I ran with the BG when I was fresh and had volly. no guild... just a guy trying to fit in. But not in months.. I've been solo and small man with my brother(s) so hate all you want I guess.(not you in particular just generally speaking)
Your sls must work much better than mine. I can't stand at hastner and see someone at the ticket guy, unless they're grey or a mini. also, a visi char doesnt see as well as you do with SL up. They see about as well as a stealther does normally, and if they are moving at speed, decent chance they wont see shit.
Also, idk how your links don't work could mean anything else...

Let me know if you can see any of these: https://photos.app.goo.gl/gZxrNLyVSymHEXvo7
if so, just take a gander at the stealth zerging vs visie zerging too. some are ganks, some are SLs
The guy at the end of the dock was like 48 or something so that one doesn't really count. but still.... I bet he felt like poo. everyone else I can see far enough out AS a sneak it's insane, I can critshot them before they even know I'm around. Which in turn point back at our issues that someone will pop SL and find us for a FG just to come gank lol

Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:03 PM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 8:43 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:43 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:47 AM
I don't even want them removed lol. Just mitigated. they are too easy mode. I use them :/ Once I fix the picture links you'll see if you don't know already. I was on the dirt before the docks, and saw someone at the very end of it trying to buy a boat, was able to shoot him XD, I dunno, I just felt like I shouldn't be able to have a 1 minute buff that can be re-used in 5 seconds. Maybe make it last 30 seconds or something? re-use of a min? is that too much to ask for? I'm not here to try and argue with people. just trying to see who all really thinks they are fine like this. :/ sucks cause I use them and see how ez mode it is first hand... then get bashed by people here for some reason lol... why? Cuz ur a PoS scout that only leeches!? except that's not true at all.. Sure I ran with the BG when I was fresh and had volly. no guild... just a guy trying to fit in. But not in months.. I've been solo and small man with my brother(s) so hate all you want I guess.(not you in particular just generally speaking)
Your sls must work much better than mine. I can't stand at hastner and see someone at the ticket guy, unless they're grey or a mini. also, a visi char doesnt see as well as you do with SL up. They see about as well as a stealther does normally, and if they are moving at speed, decent chance they wont see shit.
Also, idk how your links don't work could mean anything else...

Let me know if you can see any of these: https://photos.app.goo.gl/gZxrNLyVSymHEXvo7
if so, just take a gander at the stealth zerging vs visie zerging too. some are ganks, some are SLs
The guy at the end of the dock was like 48 or something so that one doesn't really count. but still.... I bet he felt like poo. everyone else I can see far enough out AS a sneak it's insane, I can critshot them before they even know I'm around. Which in turn point back at our issues that someone will pop SL and find us for a FG just to come gank lol

yea these work.
pic 1 - youre ganking at the relic dock. thats living on borrowed time, someone is eventually gonna see you drawing bow and run you down and SL in your general area along with every rp hungry lowbie in the general area. nature of ganking at the dock, especially with no vanish.
pic 2 - youre at a flag shooting ppl, no surprise an 8 man runs you down.
pic 3 - idk what im looking at. but look who is in the group, its wimpo. i knew yall were a couple.
pic 4 - im guessing you were running out of stealth and they saw you and ran you down. dont run places out of stealth unless you are panning like crazy, even then its sill dangerous. no way youre gonna get me to believe that you were walking in stealth in that weird location and a group just pops sl for the hell of it.
pic 5 - this your lonelheart kill? id like to hear a retelling of how it all went down.
pic 6 - idk what im looking at
pic 7 - you killed some ranger? this has something to do with pic 6?
pic 8 - showing the range of sl? seems about right, but its no where near that for visi chars. also this dude is r4, he might be speced for composite at r5 (never know). dont see his name so cant ask him.
pic 9 - yea, that dudes not 50, as you said.
pic 10 - normal, but once again, visis dont see stealth at that range with SL.
all in all, this is standard shit. not really sure what your overall point is.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:24 PM by thirian24

el oh el

Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:43 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:39 AM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 4:14 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:28 PM
see, that is where you are hung up. ppl that solo dont give any shits AT ALL about task stuff. you get RPs for killing ppl, and if youre good at it, you get more than enough. past a certain point the rps become irrelevant.
Whether you cared about task or not didn't matter. You so much as porting in to your outer keep (neither of you are going to tell me you did not) gave you stacking multipliers. The more you died that week the more exasperated the effect via porting in. The same goes for the frequency of enemies running near the keep while you're in the keep's region
Because of that multiplier your RP each task tick was bloated, and so long as you were getting kills or dying you were getting task credit

rp earned =/= solo kills
Regardless of whether they were bloated or not isn't relevant, if you care that much you can even see rps from kill and task rps on the herald (Wanna see some thing dumb, just look at the ppl the zerg surfs rps from tasks. It'll be like 75% task and 25% kills). Solo ppl dont chase tasks, as you assumed they do. Your idea of porting ruining solo is still just flat out wrong, 1000% wrong actually. So while this scenario might have sounded good in your head, it's not reality... as far as the rps gained back then it generally wasn't task. You don't solo around keeps, you'll be zerged or shot by npc archers that hit like a truck. There were just many more solos to fight back then. Taking more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
But hey, what do I know? I only plated and soloed then. Unlike easytorember, who has yet to say his characters name or indicate how much time he's spent soloing to experience what it's like here. He just knows all these things. To bad all the things he knows just aren't so lol.

duuuuuuughhhhuuuuueeeeghe read the reply chain retard

The guy said he was soloing 100k rp during NF test.
I pointed out the actual source of that rp, how
he was recieving it, and why I was absolutely certain he was meeting those conditions

Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:55 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:43 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:39 AM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 4:14 AM
Whether you cared about task or not didn't matter. You so much as porting in to your outer keep (neither of you are going to tell me you did not) gave you stacking multipliers. The more you died that week the more exasperated the effect via porting in. The same goes for the frequency of enemies running near the keep while you're in the keep's region
Because of that multiplier your RP each task tick was bloated, and so long as you were getting kills or dying you were getting task credit

rp earned =/= solo kills
Regardless of whether they were bloated or not isn't relevant, if you care that much you can even see rps from kill and task rps on the herald (Wanna see some thing dumb, just look at the ppl the zerg surfs rps from tasks. It'll be like 75% task and 25% kills). Solo ppl dont chase tasks, as you assumed they do. Your idea of porting ruining solo is still just flat out wrong, 1000% wrong actually. So while this scenario might have sounded good in your head, it's not reality... as far as the rps gained back then it generally wasn't task. You don't solo around keeps, you'll be zerged or shot by npc archers that hit like a truck. There were just many more solos to fight back then. Taking more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
But hey, what do I know? I only plated and soloed then. Unlike easytorember, who has yet to say his characters name or indicate how much time he's spent soloing to experience what it's like here. He just knows all these things. To bad all the things he knows just aren't so lol.
duuuuuuughhhhuuuuueeeeghe read the reply chain retard

The guy said he was soloing 100k rp during NF test.
I pointed out the actual source of that rp, how
he was recieving it, and why I was absolutely certain he was meeting those conditions

i read it and i know the context. i just think you are missing the mark again. just like you were absolutely certain as to why the action died in NF. you can be wrong and are wrong ONCE AGAIN LOL. back then there were just more ppl soloing and you got alot more fights. i ran purge 4 because i was taking so many fights. these days you dont take fights like that because there just isnt that many ppl to fight anymore, theyve all moved on. ... you also added the word test after Nf, not sure what that is referring to. so i looked at his original post and he doesnt mention a NF test. he said back when nf first came out.
more solos = more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
you can tell who the task abusers are, you can see kill rp vs task rps on the herald. non task abusers generally have 20-30% of their rps from tasks.
task abusers and keep humpers will be more like 50-50. ill look him just to prove a point i suppose.
horg rps from task is about 20% from task. doesnt look like a task abuser to me. but its just wierd. you were sooooo sure. i cant believe you were wrong on something that you were so sure about ONCE AGAIN.
when you gonna post you char name? id like to give you a look over the herald lol.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:23 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:55 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:43 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:39 AM
Regardless of whether they were bloated or not isn't relevant, if you care that much you can even see rps from kill and task rps on the herald (Wanna see some thing dumb, just look at the ppl the zerg surfs rps from tasks. It'll be like 75% task and 25% kills). Solo ppl dont chase tasks, as you assumed they do. Your idea of porting ruining solo is still just flat out wrong, 1000% wrong actually. So while this scenario might have sounded good in your head, it's not reality... as far as the rps gained back then it generally wasn't task. You don't solo around keeps, you'll be zerged or shot by npc archers that hit like a truck. There were just many more solos to fight back then. Taking more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
But hey, what do I know? I only plated and soloed then. Unlike easytorember, who has yet to say his characters name or indicate how much time he's spent soloing to experience what it's like here. He just knows all these things. To bad all the things he knows just aren't so lol.
duuuuuuughhhhuuuuueeeeghe read the reply chain retard

The guy said he was soloing 100k rp during NF test.
I pointed out the actual source of that rp, how
he was recieving it, and why I was absolutely certain he was meeting those conditions
i read it and i know the context. i just think you are missing the mark again. just like you were absolutely certain as to why the action died in NF. you can be wrong and are wrong ONCE AGAIN LOL. back then there were just more ppl soloing and you got alot more fights. i ran purge 4 because i was taking so many fights. these days you dont take fights like that because there just isnt that many ppl to fight anymore, theyve all moved on. ... you also added the word test after Nf, not sure what that is referring to. so i looked at his original post and he doesnt mention a NF test. he said back when nf first came out.
more solos = more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
you can tell who the task abusers are, you can see kill rp vs task rps on the herald. non task abusers generally have 20-30% of their rps from tasks.
task abusers and keep humpers will be more like 50-50. ill look him just to prove a point i suppose.
horg rps from task is about 20% from task. doesnt look like a task abuser to me. but its just wierd. you were sooooo sure. i cant believe you were wrong on something that you were so sure about ONCE AGAIN.
when you gonna post you char name? id like to give you a look over the herald lol.

That first week of NF is when it first came out. Even though it was called a test your kills, rp, etc all stuck and the rulesey was unchanged. During said test Day 1 & 2 were explicitly emain fights, followed by Odin/HW/emain for the remainder. The other zones were so dead I had complained about it throughout in region for that week. After OF got placed back in I was able to solo as per usual again but they went and swapped back to NF

That aside you're still missing the point. Prior to capping the multipler all RP from that week and he next was bloated. Gloating about muh 100k solo Xdeee doesn't compare properly with OF at that time because attaining those multipliers was normally impossible. 2 weeks of bloated task rp is not going to show up in the overal kill-task ratio of his character unless he played it exclusively during those weeks and then shelved it. Moreover because most people playing now were present for that time period they too recieved the benefit of that uneven tick RP

In case you managed to glean nothing from that paragraph, I am not accusing the guy of "task abusing". His NF-is-so-much-better-for-solo miracle rp amount does not reflect his success in NF vs OF brcause of the keep fight multiplier at the time and how it was accumulating- which I detailed several posts above as to why he is receving hat benefit without going out of his eay to seek it

Is there anything else you're going to pretend not to understand?

Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:34 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:23 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:55 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:43 PM
duuuuuuughhhhuuuuueeeeghe read the reply chain retard

The guy said he was soloing 100k rp during NF test.
I pointed out the actual source of that rp, how
he was recieving it, and why I was absolutely certain he was meeting those conditions
i read it and i know the context. i just think you are missing the mark again. just like you were absolutely certain as to why the action died in NF. you can be wrong and are wrong ONCE AGAIN LOL. back then there were just more ppl soloing and you got alot more fights. i ran purge 4 because i was taking so many fights. these days you dont take fights like that because there just isnt that many ppl to fight anymore, theyve all moved on. ... you also added the word test after Nf, not sure what that is referring to. so i looked at his original post and he doesnt mention a NF test. he said back when nf first came out.
more solos = more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
you can tell who the task abusers are, you can see kill rp vs task rps on the herald. non task abusers generally have 20-30% of their rps from tasks.
task abusers and keep humpers will be more like 50-50. ill look him just to prove a point i suppose.
horg rps from task is about 20% from task. doesnt look like a task abuser to me. but its just wierd. you were sooooo sure. i cant believe you were wrong on something that you were so sure about ONCE AGAIN.
when you gonna post you char name? id like to give you a look over the herald lol.
That first week of NF is when it first came out. Even though it was called a test your kills, rp, etc all stuck and the rulesey was unchanged. During said test Day 1 & 2 were explicitly emain fights, followed by Odin/HW/emain for the remainder. The other zones were so dead I had complained about it throughout in region for that week. After OF got placed back in I was able to solo as per usual again but they went and swapped back to NF

hat aside you're still missing the point. Prior to capping the multipler all RP from that week and he next was bloated. Gloating about muh 100k solo Xdeee doesn't compare properly with OF at that time because attaining those multipliers was normally impossible. 2 weeks of bloated task rp is not going to show up in the overal kill-task ratio of his character unless he played it exclusively during those weeks and then shelved it. Moreover because most people playing now were present for that time period they too recieved the benefit of that uneven tick RP
In case you managed to glean nothing from that paragraph, I am not accusing the guy of "task abusing". His NF-is-so-much-better-for-solo miracle rp amount does not reflect his success in NF vs OF brcause of the keep fight multiplier at the time and how it was accumulating- which I detailed several posts above as to why he is receving hat benefit without going out of his eay to seek it

Is there anything else you're going to pretend not to understand?

bruh.... you think hes just talking about the first week of nf or something? no, this lasted for a long time. the solos didnt only play for 2 weeks jfc dude. youre still missing the mark. no one cares about the rp counter. we are tring to get good solo fights that are fun, the rps just come with it. i have a screenshot of me getting almost 100k rps in one day in of (lmk if yall actually wanna see it.) were the tasks uncapped then too? im sure there were lots of days ppl made 100k in one day soloing in nf. it really wasnt all that hard if you had a good day and all day to play. not even talking about those two weeks. i can think of one time i got super drunk all day and made like 70k, and it wasnt due to tasks. you get almost 1k per a solo kill, so its really not that hard.
hell, i havent played my SB in like a month or two before last week. first day back i made 50k, 40k were from kills and 10 from tasks, but it took me like 6-7 hours of watching tv and taking runs. the point is when ppl arent zerging and a lot of ppl are solo, theres plenty rps to be made regardless of tasks being capped or w/e.

yea youre right, the 2 weeks wouldnt show up over all.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:58 PM by easytoremember

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:34 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:23 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:55 PM
i read it and i know the context. i just think you are missing the mark again. just like you were absolutely certain as to why the action died in NF. you can be wrong and are wrong ONCE AGAIN LOL. back then there were just more ppl soloing and you got alot more fights. i ran purge 4 because i was taking so many fights. these days you dont take fights like that because there just isnt that many ppl to fight anymore, theyve all moved on. ... you also added the word test after Nf, not sure what that is referring to. so i looked at his original post and he doesnt mention a NF test. he said back when nf first came out.
more solos = more fights = more chances to win = more rps.
you can tell who the task abusers are, you can see kill rp vs task rps on the herald. non task abusers generally have 20-30% of their rps from tasks.
task abusers and keep humpers will be more like 50-50. ill look him just to prove a point i suppose.
horg rps from task is about 20% from task. doesnt look like a task abuser to me. but its just wierd. you were sooooo sure. i cant believe you were wrong on something that you were so sure about ONCE AGAIN.
when you gonna post you char name? id like to give you a look over the herald lol.
That first week of NF is when it first came out. Even though it was called a test your kills, rp, etc all stuck and the rulesey was unchanged. During said test Day 1 & 2 were explicitly emain fights, followed by Odin/HW/emain for the remainder. The other zones were so dead I had complained about it throughout in region for that week. After OF got placed back in I was able to solo as per usual again but they went and swapped back to NF

hat aside you're still missing the point. Prior to capping the multipler all RP from that week and he next was bloated. Gloating about muh 100k solo Xdeee doesn't compare properly with OF at that time because attaining those multipliers was normally impossible. 2 weeks of bloated task rp is not going to show up in the overal kill-task ratio of his character unless he played it exclusively during those weeks and then shelved it. Moreover because most people playing now were present for that time period they too recieved the benefit of that uneven tick RP
In case you managed to glean nothing from that paragraph, I am not accusing the guy of "task abusing". His NF-is-so-much-better-for-solo miracle rp amount does not reflect his success in NF vs OF brcause of the keep fight multiplier at the time and how it was accumulating- which I detailed several posts above as to why he is receving hat benefit without going out of his eay to seek it

Is there anything else you're going to pretend not to understand?
bruh.... you think hes just talking about the first week of nf or something? no, this lasted for a long time. the solos didnt only play for 2 weeks jfc dude. youre still missing the mark. no one cares about the rp counter. we are tring to get good solo fights that are fun, the rps just come with it. i have a screenshot of me getting almost 100k rps in one day in of (lmk if yall actually wanna see it.) were the tasks uncapped then too? im sure there were lots of days ppl made 100k in one day soloing in nf. it really wasnt all that hard if you had a good day and all day to play. not even talking about those two weeks. i can think of one time i got super drunk all day and made like 70k, and it wasnt due to tasks. you get almost 1k per a solo kill, so its really not that hard.
hell, i havent played my SB in like a month or two before last week. first day back i made 50k, 40k were from kills and 10 from tasks, but it took me like 6-7 hours of watching tv and taking runs. the point is when ppl arent zerging and a lot of ppl are solo, theres plenty rps to be made regardless of tasks being capped or w/e.

yea youre right, the 2 weeks wouldnt show up over all.

That's my side of the argument. NF is bad for solo no matter how big the arpees are

yea youre right, the 2 weeks wouldnt show up over all.

It won't because it's indistinguishable from anyone else playing at that time
The ones who do stand out are those that dropped field RAs on top of keeps every 15 minutes

Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:02 PM by Riac

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:58 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:34 PM
easytoremember wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 10:23 PM
That first week of NF is when it first came out. Even though it was called a test your kills, rp, etc all stuck and the rulesey was unchanged. During said test Day 1 & 2 were explicitly emain fights, followed by Odin/HW/emain for the remainder. The other zones were so dead I had complained about it throughout in region for that week. After OF got placed back in I was able to solo as per usual again but they went and swapped back to NF

hat aside you're still missing the point. Prior to capping the multipler all RP from that week and he next was bloated. Gloating about muh 100k solo Xdeee doesn't compare properly with OF at that time because attaining those multipliers was normally impossible. 2 weeks of bloated task rp is not going to show up in the overal kill-task ratio of his character unless he played it exclusively during those weeks and then shelved it. Moreover because most people playing now were present for that time period they too recieved the benefit of that uneven tick RP
In case you managed to glean nothing from that paragraph, I am not accusing the guy of "task abusing". His NF-is-so-much-better-for-solo miracle rp amount does not reflect his success in NF vs OF brcause of the keep fight multiplier at the time and how it was accumulating- which I detailed several posts above as to why he is receving hat benefit without going out of his eay to seek it

Is there anything else you're going to pretend not to understand?
bruh.... you think hes just talking about the first week of nf or something? no, this lasted for a long time. the solos didnt only play for 2 weeks jfc dude. youre still missing the mark. no one cares about the rp counter. we are tring to get good solo fights that are fun, the rps just come with it. i have a screenshot of me getting almost 100k rps in one day in of (lmk if yall actually wanna see it.) were the tasks uncapped then too? im sure there were lots of days ppl made 100k in one day soloing in nf. it really wasnt all that hard if you had a good day and all day to play. not even talking about those two weeks. i can think of one time i got super drunk all day and made like 70k, and it wasnt due to tasks. you get almost 1k per a solo kill, so its really not that hard.
hell, i havent played my SB in like a month or two before last week. first day back i made 50k, 40k were from kills and 10 from tasks, but it took me like 6-7 hours of watching tv and taking runs. the point is when ppl arent zerging and a lot of ppl are solo, theres plenty rps to be made regardless of tasks being capped or w/e.

yea youre right, the 2 weeks wouldnt show up over all.
That's my side of the argument. NF is bad for solo no matter how big the arpees are

yea youre right, the 2 weeks wouldnt show up over all.
It won't because it's indistinguishable from anyone else playing at that time
The ones who do stand out are those that dropped field RAs on top of keeps every 15 minutes

yea but im thinking you side of the argument is based in inexperience. you wont tell me you chars name so idk. i'd also argue that soloing on other servers doesnt exactly count for experience here. the meta is a bit different. this server is unique.
im agreeing with in the second quote.

Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:17 PM by Parole

Stealth Lore pots give an advantage to everyone vs assassin vanish. Stealth lore pots give an advantage to all class vs stealthers. There is no justifiable reasoning for this advantage.

Why would Devs implement a custom pot that universally negates any classes RA (vanish)?

Imagine a "silence lore" potion you could use on a caster to cancel their MOC? Sounds good to me...

Just get rid of the crap. Doesn't belong in the game.

Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:19 PM by Sepplord

Parole wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:17 PM
Stealth Lore pots give an advantage to everyone vs assassin vanish. Stealth lore pots give an advantage to all class vs stealthers. There is no justifiable reasoning for this advantage.

Why would Devs implement a custom pot that universally negates any classes RA (vanish)?

Imagine a "silence lore" potion you could use on a caster to cancel their MOC? Sounds good to me...

Just get rid of the crap. Doesn't belong in the game.

Would you prefer original truesight or MoS9 to be ingame? Because those detection methods got taken out completely and the SL potion is nothing compared to both of those examples

Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:32 PM by Riac

pls keep the potions as is. its really the only check on noob stealth zergs.

Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:37 PM by Parole

Archer should have truesight and camoflague anyway. Stealth groups can use potions also, it only helps them kill solo assassins more.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 12:25 PM by Lillebror

SL pots is in game because god and everyone wanna play stealthers its a anti meassure to the high stealther pop If i would guess

Wed 29 Apr 2020 12:58 PM by Riac

Parole wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:37 PM
Archer should have truesight and camoflague anyway. Stealth groups can use potions also, it only helps them kill solo assassins more.

your stealth zerg was gonna find that solo assassin anyways, poor guy cant even get on a boat cuz you prolly have it locked down. the SL pots are the only check against noob stealth zergs. i take comfort in knowing that a group is gonna come by soon enough and collect those free rps from yalls noob asses.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 1:15 PM by inoeth

Parole wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:37 PM
Archer should have truesight and camoflague anyway. Stealth groups can use potions also, it only helps them kill solo assassins more.

"haha we killed someone who cant defend himself in a 1vs8 what a noob, we are so stronk!"

Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:45 PM by Siouxsie

Parole wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:17 PM
Stealth Lore pots give an advantage to everyone vs assassin vanish. Stealth lore pots give an advantage to all class vs stealthers. There is no justifiable reasoning for this advantage.

Why would Devs implement a custom pot that universally negates any classes RA (vanish)?

Imagine a "silence lore" potion you could use on a caster to cancel their MOC? Sounds good to me...

Just get rid of the crap. Doesn't belong in the game.

DAOC would be so greatly improved if the following were removed permanently and completely from the server:

* Vanish
* Physical Defense
* Spec AF from the combined forces pot

Make assassins actually commit to the fight rather than giving them a free get out of jail RA ability.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:53 PM by Riac

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:45 PM
Parole wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:17 PM
Stealth Lore pots give an advantage to everyone vs assassin vanish. Stealth lore pots give an advantage to all class vs stealthers. There is no justifiable reasoning for this advantage.

Why would Devs implement a custom pot that universally negates any classes RA (vanish)?

Imagine a "silence lore" potion you could use on a caster to cancel their MOC? Sounds good to me...

Just get rid of the crap. Doesn't belong in the game.

DAOC would be so greatly improved if the following were removed permanently and completely from the server:

* Vanish
* Physical Defense
* Spec AF from the combined forces pot

Make assassins actually commit to the fight rather than giving them a free get out of jail RA ability.

you forgot to put stealth zergs on the list.
tbh its kinda funny a person who rolls around in a fucking group of stealthers is whining about things that makes ppl live jsut a tad bit longer when the stealth 8 man jumps on them. not sure why he cares though. hes still only gonna get to use one abil before the person dies.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 5:46 PM by Cadebrennus

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:45 PM
Parole wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 4:17 PM
Stealth Lore pots give an advantage to everyone vs assassin vanish. Stealth lore pots give an advantage to all class vs stealthers. There is no justifiable reasoning for this advantage.

Why would Devs implement a custom pot that universally negates any classes RA (vanish)?

Imagine a "silence lore" potion you could use on a caster to cancel their MOC? Sounds good to me...

Just get rid of the crap. Doesn't belong in the game.

DAOC would be so greatly improved if the following were removed permanently and completely from the server:

* Vanish
* Physical Defense
* Spec AF from the combined forces pot

Make assassins actually commit to the fight rather than giving them a free get out of jail RA ability.

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Wed 29 Apr 2020 6:08 PM by Parole

Any stealther who thinks stealth lore pots are a good idea is a fool. My group will only find you easier and when you vanish you will be dead anyway.

Keep it in. Good for me, bad for you.

I still think bad for game.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 6:13 PM by Noashakra

Parole wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 6:08 PM
Any stealther who thinks stealth lore pots are a good idea is a fool. My group will only find you easier and when you vanish you will be dead anyway.

Keep it in. Good for me, bad for you.

I still think bad for game.

You are at least 3 and you call all go to a different direction... The Vasnishing guy will have a hard time anyway.
It's all about you and your lame playstyle lol.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 6:16 PM by Riac

Parole wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 6:08 PM
Any stealther who thinks stealth lore pots are a good idea is a fool. My group will only find you easier and when you vanish you will be dead anyway.

Keep it in. Good for me, bad for you.

I still think bad for game.

considering i pretty much never get SLed, id love for it to stay in the game. i love that these 8 mans grief you and your noob friends.

Sun 3 May 2020 12:44 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:03 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 8:43 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:43 AM
Your sls must work much better than mine. I can't stand at hastner and see someone at the ticket guy, unless they're grey or a mini. also, a visi char doesnt see as well as you do with SL up. They see about as well as a stealther does normally, and if they are moving at speed, decent chance they wont see shit.
Also, idk how your links don't work could mean anything else...

Let me know if you can see any of these: https://photos.app.goo.gl/gZxrNLyVSymHEXvo7
if so, just take a gander at the stealth zerging vs visie zerging too. some are ganks, some are SLs
The guy at the end of the dock was like 48 or something so that one doesn't really count. but still.... I bet he felt like poo. everyone else I can see far enough out AS a sneak it's insane, I can critshot them before they even know I'm around. Which in turn point back at our issues that someone will pop SL and find us for a FG just to come gank lol
yea these work.
pic 1 - youre ganking at the relic dock. thats living on borrowed time, someone is eventually gonna see you drawing bow and run you down and SL in your general area along with every rp hungry lowbie in the general area. nature of ganking at the dock, especially with no vanish.
pic 2 - youre at a flag shooting ppl, no surprise an 8 man runs you down.
pic 3 - idk what im looking at. but look who is in the group, its wimpo. i knew yall were a couple.
pic 4 - im guessing you were running out of stealth and they saw you and ran you down. dont run places out of stealth unless you are panning like crazy, even then its sill dangerous. no way youre gonna get me to believe that you were walking in stealth in that weird location and a group just pops sl for the hell of it.
pic 5 - this your lonelheart kill? id like to hear a retelling of how it all went down.
pic 6 - idk what im looking at
pic 7 - you killed some ranger? this has something to do with pic 6?
pic 8 - showing the range of sl? seems about right, but its no where near that for visi chars. also this dude is r4, he might be speced for composite at r5 (never know). dont see his name so cant ask him.
pic 9 - yea, that dudes not 50, as you said.
pic 10 - normal, but once again, visis dont see stealth at that range with SL.
all in all, this is standard shit. not really sure what your overall point is.

You can't give me ANY credit and have to lie... Notice I'm not in a zerg like you say... And solo lol
Pic 1, we were fighting dwarf party there and killed them in a 3v3 then got ran down cause they QQ'ed in region.
Pic 2, I didn't shoot anyone they used SL and found me there, NOT near the flag... you can see the flag, but I was over 1500 range from the flag, even over 2000...even running away from the flag...
Pic 3, According to you, sneaks are always stealth zerging solos... This isn't the case...
Pic 4, I was in stealth the WHOLE time and just heading over that hill to meet up with those 2 green dots on the map, they ran through me with SL, I tried running after a few snares/slams, NOT leading them back to my other 2...
Pic 5, yup, this was my 1v1, he/she was seeing red, what happened was: I critshot, slam, standard shot, he purged, still got hit because I drew the arrow in time, Snared, bent the corner with another standard... He bent the corner and got shot, snared again, bend the corner again, and now I can re-critshot, gg... rinse re-peat.. and my purge and IP was down, unless you want to assume more BS..
Pic 6, You can't see that luri huh? I used SL and was able to find him. You can't even see him XD lol and he's right there next to the tree...
Pic 7, yep..
Pic 8, just too far imo.. that's cheesy.
Pic 9, Dude was 48 sure, but it made me laugh.
Pic 10, My overall point is you were wrong about everything you said about me... Ganking expers, only gank gank gank in zergs... this is how I run when I play then get bashed by you and you lie and are in fact toxic.

Sun 3 May 2020 1:01 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 12:44 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:03 PM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 8:43 PM
Let me know if you can see any of these: https://photos.app.goo.gl/gZxrNLyVSymHEXvo7
if so, just take a gander at the stealth zerging vs visie zerging too. some are ganks, some are SLs
The guy at the end of the dock was like 48 or something so that one doesn't really count. but still.... I bet he felt like poo. everyone else I can see far enough out AS a sneak it's insane, I can critshot them before they even know I'm around. Which in turn point back at our issues that someone will pop SL and find us for a FG just to come gank lol
yea these work.
pic 1 - youre ganking at the relic dock. thats living on borrowed time, someone is eventually gonna see you drawing bow and run you down and SL in your general area along with every rp hungry lowbie in the general area. nature of ganking at the dock, especially with no vanish.
pic 2 - youre at a flag shooting ppl, no surprise an 8 man runs you down.
pic 3 - idk what im looking at. but look who is in the group, its wimpo. i knew yall were a couple.
pic 4 - im guessing you were running out of stealth and they saw you and ran you down. dont run places out of stealth unless you are panning like crazy, even then its sill dangerous. no way youre gonna get me to believe that you were walking in stealth in that weird location and a group just pops sl for the hell of it.
pic 5 - this your lonelheart kill? id like to hear a retelling of how it all went down.
pic 6 - idk what im looking at
pic 7 - you killed some ranger? this has something to do with pic 6?
pic 8 - showing the range of sl? seems about right, but its no where near that for visi chars. also this dude is r4, he might be speced for composite at r5 (never know). dont see his name so cant ask him.
pic 9 - yea, that dudes not 50, as you said.
pic 10 - normal, but once again, visis dont see stealth at that range with SL.
all in all, this is standard shit. not really sure what your overall point is.

You can't give me ANY credit and have to lie... Notice I'm not in a zerg like you say... And solo lol
Pic 1, we were fighting dwarf party there and killed them in a 3v3 then got ran down cause they QQ'ed in region.
Pic 2, I didn't shoot anyone they used SL and found me there, NOT near the flag... you can see the flag, but I was over 1500 range from the flag, even over 2000...even running away from the flag...
Pic 3, According to you, sneaks are always stealth zerging solos... This isn't the case...
Pic 4, I was in stealth the WHOLE time and just heading over that hill to meet up with those 2 green dots on the map, they ran through me with SL, I tried running after a few snares/slams, NOT leading them back to my other 2...
Pic 5, yup, this was my 1v1, he/she was seeing red, what happened was: I critshot, slam, standard shot, he purged, still got hit because I drew the arrow in time, Snared, bent the corner with another standard... He bent the corner and got shot, snared again, bend the corner again, and now I can re-critshot, gg... rinse re-peat.. and my purge and IP was down, unless you want to assume more BS..
Pic 6, You can't see that luri huh? I used SL and was able to find him. You can't even see him XD lol and he's right there next to the tree...
Pic 7, yep..
Pic 8, just too far imo.. that's cheesy.
Pic 9, Dude was 48 sure, but it made me laugh.
Pic 10, My overall point is you were wrong about everything you said about me... Ganking expers, only gank gank gank in zergs... this is how I run when I play then get bashed by you and you lie and are in fact toxic.

you provide me pictures with no context. i described what i saw in them and somehow thats a lie. lol ok, but lets continue.
pic 1 - how do you know they QQed in region chat? either way, SLs are good for clearing lame ass stealth groups off the relic docks
pic 2 you are near the flag... im sure you ran away a bit once they noticed you.
pic 3 yea i still dont know what pic 3 is and you didnt describe it. so.... whats your point?
pic 4 are you really expecting me to believe these randos were just running around in the middle of no where with sl up? just burning 1min pots that cost about 500g for 10 charges??? its shit like this that makes it so hard to give you any benefit of the doubt.
pic 5 well gg.
pic 6 whats your point? you popped SL and spammed tab? idk what youre getting at
pic 8 for the millionth time, you see that far because youre a stealther, visis are unable to do that. and since the crux of your arguement is based around visis running you down with SL im not sure this proves what you think it proves.

idk if i ever accused you of killing xpers. i generally dont accuse ppl of that, mainly because i dont think about xpers at all. however, i sure as shit accused you of the other things, mainly because they are true.

Sun 3 May 2020 1:11 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:01 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 12:44 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:03 PM
yea these work.
pic 1 - youre ganking at the relic dock. thats living on borrowed time, someone is eventually gonna see you drawing bow and run you down and SL in your general area along with every rp hungry lowbie in the general area. nature of ganking at the dock, especially with no vanish.
pic 2 - youre at a flag shooting ppl, no surprise an 8 man runs you down.
pic 3 - idk what im looking at. but look who is in the group, its wimpo. i knew yall were a couple.
pic 4 - im guessing you were running out of stealth and they saw you and ran you down. dont run places out of stealth unless you are panning like crazy, even then its sill dangerous. no way youre gonna get me to believe that you were walking in stealth in that weird location and a group just pops sl for the hell of it.
pic 5 - this your lonelheart kill? id like to hear a retelling of how it all went down.
pic 6 - idk what im looking at
pic 7 - you killed some ranger? this has something to do with pic 6?
pic 8 - showing the range of sl? seems about right, but its no where near that for visi chars. also this dude is r4, he might be speced for composite at r5 (never know). dont see his name so cant ask him.
pic 9 - yea, that dudes not 50, as you said.
pic 10 - normal, but once again, visis dont see stealth at that range with SL.
all in all, this is standard shit. not really sure what your overall point is.

You can't give me ANY credit and have to lie... Notice I'm not in a zerg like you say... And solo lol
Pic 1, we were fighting dwarf party there and killed them in a 3v3 then got ran down cause they QQ'ed in region.
Pic 2, I didn't shoot anyone they used SL and found me there, NOT near the flag... you can see the flag, but I was over 1500 range from the flag, even over 2000...even running away from the flag...
Pic 3, According to you, sneaks are always stealth zerging solos... This isn't the case...
Pic 4, I was in stealth the WHOLE time and just heading over that hill to meet up with those 2 green dots on the map, they ran through me with SL, I tried running after a few snares/slams, NOT leading them back to my other 2...
Pic 5, yup, this was my 1v1, he/she was seeing red, what happened was: I critshot, slam, standard shot, he purged, still got hit because I drew the arrow in time, Snared, bent the corner with another standard... He bent the corner and got shot, snared again, bend the corner again, and now I can re-critshot, gg... rinse re-peat.. and my purge and IP was down, unless you want to assume more BS..
Pic 6, You can't see that luri huh? I used SL and was able to find him. You can't even see him XD lol and he's right there next to the tree...
Pic 7, yep..
Pic 8, just too far imo.. that's cheesy.
Pic 9, Dude was 48 sure, but it made me laugh.
Pic 10, My overall point is you were wrong about everything you said about me... Ganking expers, only gank gank gank in zergs... this is how I run when I play then get bashed by you and you lie and are in fact toxic.
you provide me pictures with no context. i described what i saw in them and somehow thats a lie. lol ok, but lets continue.
pic 1 - how do you know they QQed in region chat? either way, SLs are good for clearing lame ass stealth groups off the relic docks
pic 2 you are near the flag... im sure you ran away a bit once they noticed you.
pic 3 yea i still dont know what pic 3 is and you didnt describe it. so.... whats your point?
pic 4 are you really expecting me to believe these randos were just running around in the middle of no where with sl up? just burning 1min pots that cost about 500g for 10 charges??? its shit like this that makes it so hard to give you any benefit of the doubt.
pic 5 well gg.
pic 6 whats your point? you popped SL and spammed tab? idk what youre getting at
pic 8 for the millionth time, you see that far because youre a stealther, visis are unable to do that. and since the crux of your arguement is based around visis running you down with SL im not sure this proves what you think it proves.

idk if i ever accused you of killing xpers. i generally dont accuse ppl of that, mainly because i dont think about xpers at all. however, i sure as shit accused you of the other things, mainly because they are true.

this is why you are wrong... You assume something and then in your mind, you believe this to be true, even with pictures provided... next thing you're going to need for proof is a 4 hour long video of my whole day... When will my scout get credit for doing what you say I SHOULD be doing when I generally am already doing that.. Solo, check, but 160+ solo still means I zerg somehow, even though I don't.. 160+ is still 160+ and 20 were in 1 day, so it's possible to keep doing it that way, but it's not fun to get 5-6-7-8v1 so I run with friends. my bad? I go everywhere... Dunno what spots I wont get discredit for when every spot I go to, I still don't get credit lol... You invented context to my pictures to make your point hold validity. but reality is you're wrong, toxic and deserve to get banned at this point. You broke the Terms and Agreements on 4 occasions and still here just being an ass hole to people. What do you get out of all of this? lmfao

Sun 3 May 2020 1:17 AM by Riac

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:11 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:01 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 12:44 AM
You can't give me ANY credit and have to lie... Notice I'm not in a zerg like you say... And solo lol
Pic 1, we were fighting dwarf party there and killed them in a 3v3 then got ran down cause they QQ'ed in region.
Pic 2, I didn't shoot anyone they used SL and found me there, NOT near the flag... you can see the flag, but I was over 1500 range from the flag, even over 2000...even running away from the flag...
Pic 3, According to you, sneaks are always stealth zerging solos... This isn't the case...
Pic 4, I was in stealth the WHOLE time and just heading over that hill to meet up with those 2 green dots on the map, they ran through me with SL, I tried running after a few snares/slams, NOT leading them back to my other 2...
Pic 5, yup, this was my 1v1, he/she was seeing red, what happened was: I critshot, slam, standard shot, he purged, still got hit because I drew the arrow in time, Snared, bent the corner with another standard... He bent the corner and got shot, snared again, bend the corner again, and now I can re-critshot, gg... rinse re-peat.. and my purge and IP was down, unless you want to assume more BS..
Pic 6, You can't see that luri huh? I used SL and was able to find him. You can't even see him XD lol and he's right there next to the tree...
Pic 7, yep..
Pic 8, just too far imo.. that's cheesy.
Pic 9, Dude was 48 sure, but it made me laugh.
Pic 10, My overall point is you were wrong about everything you said about me... Ganking expers, only gank gank gank in zergs... this is how I run when I play then get bashed by you and you lie and are in fact toxic.
you provide me pictures with no context. i described what i saw in them and somehow thats a lie. lol ok, but lets continue.
pic 1 - how do you know they QQed in region chat? either way, SLs are good for clearing lame ass stealth groups off the relic docks
pic 2 you are near the flag... im sure you ran away a bit once they noticed you.
pic 3 yea i still dont know what pic 3 is and you didnt describe it. so.... whats your point?
pic 4 are you really expecting me to believe these randos were just running around in the middle of no where with sl up? just burning 1min pots that cost about 500g for 10 charges??? its shit like this that makes it so hard to give you any benefit of the doubt.
pic 5 well gg.
pic 6 whats your point? you popped SL and spammed tab? idk what youre getting at
pic 8 for the millionth time, you see that far because youre a stealther, visis are unable to do that. and since the crux of your arguement is based around visis running you down with SL im not sure this proves what you think it proves.

idk if i ever accused you of killing xpers. i generally dont accuse ppl of that, mainly because i dont think about xpers at all. however, i sure as shit accused you of the other things, mainly because they are true.

this is why you are wrong... You assume something and then in your mind, you believe this to be true, even with pictures provided... next thing you're going to need for proof is a 4 hour long video of my whole day... When will my scout get credit for doing what you say I SHOULD be doing when I generally am already doing that.. Solo, check, but 160+ solo still means I zerg somehow, even though I don't.. 160+ is still 160+ and 20 were in 1 day, so it's possible to keep doing it that way, but it's not fun to get 5-6-7-8v1 so I run with friends. my bad? I go everywhere... Dunno what spots I wont get discredit for when every spot I go to, I still don't get credit lol... You invented context to my pictures to make your point hold validity. but reality is you're wrong, toxic and deserve to get banned at this point. You broke the Terms and Agreements on 4 occasions and still here just being an ass hole to people. What do you get out of all of this? lmfao

i cannot believe you are bragging about 160 solos out of 9 fucking THOUSAND rofl.
you provided no context to these pics outside of your bitching about SL pots. what am i supposed to do aside from draw conclusions based on what i see?
i dont know what else to tell you at this point. youre just delusional lol.
bad players gonna bad though, you know what im sayen?

Sun 3 May 2020 2:45 AM by paqdizzle

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:17 AM
paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:11 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:01 AM
you provide me pictures with no context. i described what i saw in them and somehow thats a lie. lol ok, but lets continue.
pic 1 - how do you know they QQed in region chat? either way, SLs are good for clearing lame ass stealth groups off the relic docks
pic 2 you are near the flag... im sure you ran away a bit once they noticed you.
pic 3 yea i still dont know what pic 3 is and you didnt describe it. so.... whats your point?
pic 4 are you really expecting me to believe these randos were just running around in the middle of no where with sl up? just burning 1min pots that cost about 500g for 10 charges??? its shit like this that makes it so hard to give you any benefit of the doubt.
pic 5 well gg.
pic 6 whats your point? you popped SL and spammed tab? idk what youre getting at
pic 8 for the millionth time, you see that far because youre a stealther, visis are unable to do that. and since the crux of your arguement is based around visis running you down with SL im not sure this proves what you think it proves.

idk if i ever accused you of killing xpers. i generally dont accuse ppl of that, mainly because i dont think about xpers at all. however, i sure as shit accused you of the other things, mainly because they are true.

this is why you are wrong... You assume something and then in your mind, you believe this to be true, even with pictures provided... next thing you're going to need for proof is a 4 hour long video of my whole day... When will my scout get credit for doing what you say I SHOULD be doing when I generally am already doing that.. Solo, check, but 160+ solo still means I zerg somehow, even though I don't.. 160+ is still 160+ and 20 were in 1 day, so it's possible to keep doing it that way, but it's not fun to get 5-6-7-8v1 so I run with friends. my bad? I go everywhere... Dunno what spots I wont get discredit for when every spot I go to, I still don't get credit lol... You invented context to my pictures to make your point hold validity. but reality is you're wrong, toxic and deserve to get banned at this point. You broke the Terms and Agreements on 4 occasions and still here just being an ass hole to people. What do you get out of all of this? lmfao
i cannot believe you are bragging about 160 solos out of 9 fucking THOUSAND rofl.
you provided no context to these pics outside of your bitching about SL pots. what am i supposed to do aside from draw conclusions based on what i see?
i dont know what else to tell you at this point. youre just delusional lol.
bad players gonna bad though, you know what im sayen?

You're a toxic troll... I wasn't bragging about 160 kills, I was saying you QQed when I had 20 less, and in 1 day I got 20.. it's not hard nor does it make you a better player... just shows you can solo and still get kills with your class.. I stopped due to getting ganked by fgs as a solo, that's to me isn't fun at all... Every time I tell you, it's like you can't read and start going off the deep end. Are you like this in real life? ffs you're annoying..