Not counting solo adds in RvR RP distribution for groups

Today, I was stealthing around in EV when I saw an opportunity to do what I thought could help out a group while earning some RPs for myself. There I went after what I thought was a Warden on one of their healers. But... having helped kill the warden, I was reprimanded to my surprise, told that I was stealing their RPs and to go away.

The conclusion here then is that...
#1. adding in RvR is effectively the same as stealing someone's XP in PvE
#2. solo people should stay out of RvR group fights because it doesn't matter if the group loses--it's a better outcome than being labeled a leech
#3. getting RPs is hard as it is for the group (obviously the same is true for soloers)

So... a simple way to fix this would be to not count solo adds as part of the shared RP pool (i.e., if you're not grouped, you don't take away from the grouped people's total RP intake in the same way as feathers are earned evenly, no matter how many add to the mob).

Otherwise RvR ends up being an exclusive "I call dibs on the enemy and you're not welcome" type of deal. Kinda sucks IMO because that's what RvR is supposed to be, although the loss of RPs because of an add is understandable to some extent, too. The downside to things being what they are is that it's a selfish game of personal gain rather than a game of trying to win as a realm. And I'm afraid that unless there's something to mitigate this, that's what it's going to continue to be. Hence, this suggestion's existence.

Sun 5 Apr 2020 3:49 PM by joshisanonymous

Abso-freaking-lutely no. I guarantee that 8man will give you just as much crap even if you don't get RPs.

Sun 5 Apr 2020 4:08 PM by Quik

Just smile and send the conversation to a dev if they want to be elitists about it.

You have as much right to add as they do to engage so just ignore them and play how the game was meant to be played =)

Mon 6 Apr 2020 12:25 PM by inoeth

Quik wrote: ↑
Sun 5 Apr 2020 4:08 PM
Just smile and send the conversation to a dev if they want to be elitists about it.

You have as much right to add as they do to engage so just ignore them and play how the game was meant to be played =)

yes destroy their fun of playing this game by adding and denouncing them.

really?

Mon 6 Apr 2020 3:10 PM by amnvex

Yeah, see, there's a point to both sides. The question is which is the right way to approach this?

Mon 6 Apr 2020 3:33 PM by Azrael

Unfortunately there is no right way because you can't see who has a problem with adding and who not (or would it see as a right thing to be helped out from fellow realm mates)
Only thing that helps is experience and check the guilds/names. Personally I would not add any fight (8man or smallman or solo) when the person/guild is not know for adding too.
But imo nobody has the "right" to complain if he derping around a dock, bridge or task zone. Complaining to get added their is really ridiculous(even if I still respecting fights at this zones, at least sometimes uehehehe)
Beside that, I would tell the person to gtfo if he complains about rps and not having a good/clean fight. That statement makes it even more ridiculous and I would add every of his fights. rofl

Just for the record. Sometimes I break my own "rules" and add because I am in the mood/do not give a fuck and/or want revenge.

Mon 6 Apr 2020 4:20 PM by joshisanonymous

amnvex wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 3:10 PM
Yeah, see, there's a point to both sides. The question is which is the right way to approach this?

There's really not a both sides. It's an RvR game; adding comes with the territory. If they wanted arena play, then they're in the wrong place. It's fine if some people want to come up with all sorts of rules about who's allowed to attack who and when, but that's them imposing their own rules on themselves, and they have no right to get pissy with anyone who simply plays an RvR game as an RvR game (i.e., help realmmates, attack enemy realms).

If they really insist that no one is ever allowed to add, then they're probably the types who are on Discord with the other realm that they organized their fight with and will tell the enemies to kill you so they can have their arena fight. You'll figure out who they are eventually, and it'll ultimately feel like more trouble than it's worth to add on those fights. That's pretty much the only reason to ever not add is when you know your realmmates are going to sell you out. Otherwise, again, this is an RvR game; adding is a feature of that, not a bug.

(Relatedly, I guarantee you those same groups that hold their perfect 8v8 no-add fights sacred will not ever in a million years think twice about killing solos they come across, regardless of whether you add or not. I think the only 8man I've ever had pass me up is the one that Meandow plays in. I've had other 8mans chase me literally from Emain to Breifine before. They don't really care about honoring fair fights, they only care about honoring their own fights.)

Mon 6 Apr 2020 5:07 PM by Quik

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 12:25 PM
Quik wrote: ↑
Sun 5 Apr 2020 4:08 PM
Just smile and send the conversation to a dev if they want to be elitists about it.

You have as much right to add as they do to engage so just ignore them and play how the game was meant to be played =)

yes destroy their fun of playing this game by adding and denouncing them.

really?

I didn't destroy their game by adding...I played the game how it was designed and as the dev's have stated a MULTITUDE of times, adding IS PART OF THE GAME and totally allowed and it ALWAYS has been.

It is a few people like you who feel like they have some god given right to get a solo fight and should be honored enough to be left alone when in fact the actual RIGHT is that ANY ENEMY is fair game whether it is already engaged or not.

And denouncing them will only happen if they want to be jerks about it. If they want to send you msg's after complaining and screaming at you for ruining their fun??? YES report them because that is NOT part of the game.

This game is for EVERYONE not just 1 soloer/group who happened to get to another soloer/group first.

And btw, if I see a soloer who already has anyone remotely close to dead I will move on simply because it won't be worth anything, but if a soloer engages someone at the same time I am heading to that same person??? Hell yes I am going to engage as well.

Mon 6 Apr 2020 5:46 PM by inoeth

Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 5:07 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 12:25 PM
Quik wrote: ↑
Sun 5 Apr 2020 4:08 PM
Just smile and send the conversation to a dev if they want to be elitists about it.

You have as much right to add as they do to engage so just ignore them and play how the game was meant to be played =)

yes destroy their fun of playing this game by adding and denouncing them.

really?

I didn't destroy their game by adding...I played the game how it was designed and as the dev's have stated a MULTITUDE of times, adding IS PART OF THE GAME and totally allowed and it ALWAYS has been.

It is a few people like you who feel like they have some god given right to get a solo fight and should be honored enough to be left alone when in fact the actual RIGHT is that ANY ENEMY is fair game whether it is already engaged or not.

And denouncing them will only happen if they want to be jerks about it. If they want to send you msg's after complaining and screaming at you for ruining their fun??? YES report them because that is NOT part of the game.

This game is for EVERYONE not just 1 soloer/group who happened to get to another soloer/group first.

And btw, if I see a soloer who already has anyone remotely close to dead I will move on simply because it won't be worth anything, but if a soloer engages someone at the same time I am heading to that same person??? Hell yes I am going to engage as well.

you dont get it, do you? you are always right, right?
your attitude in fact leaves no room for solo game play, thus your signature is ridicolous.
solo play is indeed part of this game [lone enforcer] and ppl like you have zero respect for it, that is exactly what i what im argueing about.
plus ppl like you tend to be dicks and add on purpose to just fuck ppl up and if those, who at some point get so annoyed that they descend to insult you, which i would totally understand, you denounce them. who is the toxic one there?

you should change your signature to: every color is ok, as long as it is black.

Mon 6 Apr 2020 9:27 PM by joshisanonymous

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 5:46 PM
you dont get it, do you? you are always right, right?
your attitude in fact leaves no room for solo game play, thus your signature is ridicolous.
solo play is indeed part of this game [lone enforcer] and ppl like you have zero respect for it, that is exactly what i what im argueing about.
plus ppl like you tend to be dicks and add on purpose to just fuck ppl up and if those, who at some point get so annoyed that they descend to insult you, which i would totally understand, you denounce them. who is the toxic one there?

you should change your signature to: every color is ok, as long as it is black.

Lone Enforcer doesn't mean "people let me have 1000 clean duels" ...

Mon 6 Apr 2020 9:57 PM by Quik

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 5:46 PM
you dont get it, do you? you are always right, right?
your attitude in fact leaves no room for solo game play, thus your signature is ridicolous.
solo play is indeed part of this game [lone enforcer] and ppl like you have zero respect for it, that is exactly what i what im argueing about.
plus ppl like you tend to be dicks and add on purpose to just fuck ppl up and if those, who at some point get so annoyed that they descend to insult you, which i would totally understand, you denounce them. who is the toxic one there?

you should change your signature to: every color is ok, as long as it is black.

Ok so lets stick with facts and not make things up ok? It makes it easier to keep a civil conversation plus you don't look bad when people realize you are just an outright liar.

I never said I added to mess ppl up...if you look at my threads I have ALWAYS said that no one gets ANY fight exclusively to themselves. NO ONE. If I see a fight and the enemy is almost dead I will just move on and I have ALWAYS played this way.

BUT...if I see an enemy at the same time a realmmate engages them, I will absolutely add EVERY time because it is my right to get those RP's JUST as much as it is your right.

Also, I have had the same opinion since day 1 on the server, and that is play how you want as LONG as it is within the rules. You can solo all you want as long as you realize you aren't special and you don't get every fight to yourself...EVER. The dev's have said a multitude of times that adding is NOT against the rules.

So if you want to solo and you get solo fights, great, more power to you. If you are soloing and someone engages the same enemy you are fighting, that is not against the rules and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO GET MAD. If you want to 8v8 and you get another 8man and you both fight a clean fight, great I am happy for you, but don't expect others to not add if they see you because IT IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO ADD as per the dev's MANY times.

So, lets try again, and make sure you read closer and try not to make stuff up this time ok =) I apologize if I come across as rude but people who deliberately misstate facts to try to further their own arguments tend to end up looking bad and people like that bother me simply because I don't like people who can't stand on a true argument.

Play how you want and have fun, but remember you aren't the only one playing and the rules of the game state explicitly that adding is just fine and no one gets exclusive rights to a fight =) Just like my quote says and I stand by it as long as you are playing within the rules of the game.

Tue 7 Apr 2020 6:05 AM by inoeth

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 9:27 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Apr 2020 5:46 PM
you dont get it, do you? you are always right, right?
your attitude in fact leaves no room for solo game play, thus your signature is ridicolous.
solo play is indeed part of this game [lone enforcer] and ppl like you have zero respect for it, that is exactly what i what im argueing about.
plus ppl like you tend to be dicks and add on purpose to just fuck ppl up and if those, who at some point get so annoyed that they descend to insult you, which i would totally understand, you denounce them. who is the toxic one there?

you should change your signature to: every color is ok, as long as it is black.

Lone Enforcer doesn't mean "people let me have 1000 clean duels" ...

thats true, its 2k even