99% chance for get away - Phoenix Freeshard

Cool can we get IP then ? thanks
I'm all for it lets do it

Sun 1 Mar 2020 10:36 AM by Luluko

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Sun 1 Mar 2020 5:24 AM
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Sat 29 Feb 2020 2:38 PM
Cool can we get IP then ? thanks
I'm all for it lets do it

You say that like ns, infi & sb are low on the totem pole...which they are not. I asked them to even the playing field not give the stronger classes something as well...

maybe play one then if they are that op

Sun 1 Mar 2020 11:03 AM by Patron

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Since nightshades, infiltrators and shadowblades get a vanish which most of the time gets them out of trouble and saves them from a death, why not give something like that to every class? Its definitely not balanced when one class has an almost guaranteed 'getaway' and a lot of classes don't. even the playing field please. Even out the QoL please. give us all the equal chance to have fun please...

Sure, if you wear leatherarmor and have low hp...
Serious, daoc is not a game where all are equal.
There are differences and thats very important.
Vanish is a ability only for sins, slam is a ability only for shieldtanks and so on. Deal with it.
And yes balance is very important but it not mean all are equal.
😄

Sun 1 Mar 2020 3:20 PM by pollojack

Sindralor wrote: ↑
Sat 29 Feb 2020 2:38 PM
Cool can we get IP then ? thanks
I'm all for it lets do it

Would drop vanish for IP in a heart beat.

Sun 1 Mar 2020 3:35 PM by pollojack

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Sun 1 Mar 2020 5:24 AM
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Sat 29 Feb 2020 2:38 PM
Cool can we get IP then ? thanks
I'm all for it lets do it

You say that like ns, infi & sb are low on the totem pole...which they are not. I asked them to even the playing field not give the stronger classes something as well...

Merc VS Don't purge slam, get shredded by any properly specd merc. Purge slam, fumble debuff, literally why people don't want vamps here.
Reaver VS No purge, die before stun ends
Thane VS Purge slam, static temp, slam again
Champ VS Purge slam, get debuffed, static temp reserve

Those are all 80% losses without the need to use IP which they likely have. The only reason they aren't at the top is because they are visible and get run down by smallmans/8mans. Occasionally they can lose but if played properly they should never lose. I also am not even including your typical top of the totem necro, BD, minst.

Yes, I have won against those classes but it is rare they don't have their abilities up.

Sun 1 Mar 2020 11:34 PM by gotwqqd

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You say that like ns, infi & sb are low on the totem pole...which they are not. I asked them to even the playing field not give the stronger classes something as well...

Merc VS Don't purge slam, get shredded by any properly specd merc. Purge slam, fumble debuff, literally why people don't want vamps here.
Reaver VS No purge, die before stun ends
Thane VS Purge slam, static temp, slam again
Champ VS Purge slam, get debuffed, static temp reserve

Those are all 80% losses without the need to use IP which they likely have. The only reason they aren't at the top is because they are visible and get run down by smallmans/8mans. Occasionally they can lose but if played properly they should never lose. I also am not even including your typical top of the totem necro, BD, minst.

Yes, I have won against those classes but it is rare they don't have their abilities up.

Keep going...there are plenty of other classes. lol you only name 4 AND you name specific RAs that IF they are up, the other classes have a chance LOL yet we all know those RAs are not always up. NS, INFI and SB have it a little too easy here with WS debuff, Disease, STR/CON debuff and DoT poison. Oh yeah...and an almost guaranteed get away LOL Too Funny

I’d make it so poisons cannot be applied to inventory weapons, nor during combat

Mon 2 Mar 2020 12:17 AM by Riac

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Since nightshades, infiltrators and shadowblades get a vanish which most of the time gets them out of trouble and saves them from a death, why not give something like that to every class? Its definitely not balanced when one class has an almost guaranteed 'getaway' and a lot of classes don't. even the playing field please. Even out the QoL please. give us all the equal chance to have fun please...

another shortee post where hes bitching about ridiculous shit. once everyone flames the shit out him hes gonna make another QQ post about how he doesnt mean to be an idiot and then trod out all of IRL woes and we're all supposed to "listen" to him because..... well, tbh idk why we are supposed to listen to him, and having it tough irl certainly isnt making his sense of game balance any better.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:05 AM by The Skies Asunder

I absolutely despise vanish. I don't even have it specced on my NS, or SB, and likely won't spec it ever, unless I manage to make ti to like rr10 somehow, and have excess points. Just take the loss, and port back to where you were. That said, there is no reason whatsoever to spread that cancer ability of being able to run away rather than lose a fight to any more classes.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM by Riac

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Since nightshades, infiltrators and shadowblades get a vanish which most of the time gets them out of trouble and saves them from a death, why not give something like that to every class? Its definitely not balanced when one class has an almost guaranteed 'getaway' and a lot of classes don't. even the playing field please. Even out the QoL please. give us all the equal chance to have fun please...

another shortee post where hes bitching about ridiculous shit. once everyone flames the shit out him hes gonna make another QQ post about how he doesnt mean to be an idiot and then trod out all of IRL woes and we're all supposed to "listen" to him because..... well, tbh idk why we are supposed to listen to him, and having it tough irl certainly isnt making his sense of game balance any better.

You only try to change the subject to "me being the problem" when I am pointing out problems with balance. You sir are an idiot that would think its ok for some to be intentionally have less advantages than others. You sound like you would support intentional operations at birth that disable some people and "think" its ok. You are a joke to me! lol

the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM by Riac

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I absolutely despise vanish. I don't even have it specced on my NS, or SB, and likely won't spec it ever, unless I manage to make ti to like rr10 somehow, and have excess points. Just take the loss, and port back to where you were. That said, there is no reason whatsoever to spread that cancer ability of being able to run away rather than lose a fight to any more classes.

the majority of solo players only use vanish to avoid zergs and adders. very few of them vanish on a 1v1, its a mark of shame and you will get flamed for it.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:37 AM by Riac

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You only try to change the subject to "me being the problem" when I am pointing out problems with balance. You sir are an idiot that would think its ok for some to be intentionally have less advantages than others. You sound like you would support intentional operations at birth that disable some people and "think" its ok. You are a joke to me! lol

the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Oh i've used the potions LOL!!!! 10 claws and each charge last 1 minute!!!! 1 frickin minute HAHAHAHAH LOL!!!!! My hunter is Bowin, he is RR 5 - took way to many deaths and adding to get there - QoL for hunters is ridiculous. You are still the joke to me because you browse the forums looking for anyone trying to point at what 'might' affect your easy kill rps.... You avoid the truth and only attempt to keep things as they are so you continue to have the easy kills. I will point out what I see as unfair both in games and irl. It doesn't matter to me what you think...its just whast you think.

i dont browse the forums lol, you can simply see the most recent at the bottom. just so happens youve been there the most recently winging about everything and everyone. have you tried not speccing full bow ? might get more kills lol. tbh if youre hunting that vanished stealther after 1 minute then you straight up went the wrong way lol. you either find him in the first couple of secs or hes totally gone. i dont generally go for "easy kills" i look for other sins that are high ranked, its much more rewarding in terms of fun and rps to get those kills, i also dont vanish on them in 1v1 when im losing (chances are theyll find me and i wont have it up for the next loser, like you, that adds on me. i refuse to give rps to adders if i can help it). and you are the problem most of the time, well not so much you as your ideas. are you seriously advocating for a stealth class w/ ip and ri armor to get vanish??? or the other guy saying we shouldnt be able to use blades poisoned in our backpack. so we should only be able to use 3 dif poisons on any given fight? what if they purge? are we then just melee rangers with shittier hp, shittier armor, and no ip. another terrible and short sighted idea.
also, youve just done when you claim i do, switch the subject to me instead of the thread topic. most of your ideas are pure garbage, just look at the threads and the amount of ppl flaming you for your terrible ideas and your pathetic defense of them. then once you realize the whole server is against you, aside from the 4 other ppl that still play archers, out come the irl woes to bolster sympathy and to give some sort of backdoor as to why you feel this way about these things.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:40 AM by Riac

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pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np - wrong

also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe - I believe the speed you get with vanish pays no attention to hp

watch tani's videos, youll see him pre SLing a lot to kill ppl and it works great. see, i have now provided you with video evidence that it works great, you no longer have to take my word for it. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf-1KNz5H2mXOeJMc2cSXGg

also vanish give you +% movement speed. if you are at low hp and your movespeed is super low, the +% of low is still low af. unlike sos where it sets your move speed to a discrete value.... might want to learn how the skills work before you bitch about them, itll prevent you from looking ridiculous.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:43 AM by Riac

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I am playing a skald now and the quality of life (enjoyment) is so much better than a hunter its just hilariously funny. IE if playing one class is easily funner than playing another....something needs to be changed. Balance the QoL please... Even the playing field please... Make things more fair please...

so balancing should be based on your subjective measurement of enjoyment???? what if i dont "enjoy" playing a bonedancer and in turn have no fun. should the bd then be buffed to match the enjoyment i experience when i play my SB??
see how dumb that quickly becomes? no one balances anything based upon subjective metrics.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 3:09 AM by Riac

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Oh i've used the potions LOL!!!! 10 claws and each charge last 1 minute!!!! 1 frickin minute HAHAHAHAH LOL!!!!! My hunter is Bowin, he is RR 5 - took way to many deaths and adding to get there - QoL for hunters is ridiculous. You are still the joke to me because you browse the forums looking for anyone trying to point at what 'might' affect your easy kill rps.... You avoid the truth and only attempt to keep things as they are so you continue to have the easy kills. I will point out what I see as unfair both in games and irl. It doesn't matter to me what you think...its just whast you think.

i dont browse the forums lol, you can simply see the most recent at the bottom. just so happens youve been there the most recently winging about everything and everyone. have you tried not speccing full bow ? might get more kills lol. tbh if youre hunting that vanished stealther after 1 minute then you straight up went the wrong way lol. you either find him in the first couple of secs or hes totally gone. i dont generally go for "easy kills" i look for other sins that are high ranked, its much more rewarding in terms of fun and rps to get those kills, i also dont vanish on them in 1v1 when im losing (chances are theyll find me and i wont have it up for the next loser, like you, that adds on me. i refuse to give rps to adders if i can help it). and you are the problem most of the time, well not so much you as your ideas. are you seriously advocating for a stealth class w/ ip and ri armor to get vanish??? or the other guy saying we shouldnt be able to use blades poisoned in our backpack. so we should only be able to use 3 dif poisons on any given fight? what if they purge? are we then just melee rangers with shittier hp, shittier armor, and no ip. another terrible and short sighted idea.
also, youve just done when you claim i do, switch the subject to me instead of the thread topic. most of your ideas are pure garbage, just look at the threads and the amount of ppl flaming you for your terrible ideas and your pathetic defense of them. then once you realize the whole server is against you, aside from the 4 other ppl that still play archers, out come the irl woes to bolster sympathy and to give some sort of backdoor as to why you feel this way about these things.

You read the whining (correct spelling) into it. I imo am not whining in any way. And you say about everything (hunters) and everyone (hunters) lol 1 subject...you're still a joke. Yes, I have tried so many different specs it would take a book to list them all here. AND you prove my point that the potions are ridiculous by saying "either you find him in the first couple of secs or hes totally gone" when before you say something to the fact as if the potions can actually help...which they really do not...which goes right back to 99% getaway...which you disagreed with also....you contradict yourself over and over just trying to make the devs and gms think there is nothing wrong with hunters LOL! You are such a joke! AND most stealthers, when losing 1v1 will vanish...say what you want...you know its true. Then you say Im the loser and the cause of the disadvantages hunters have to assassins OMG You are too funny!!! I hear you as whining..."please don't take away my easy kills whaa whaa then the game won't be as fun for me whaa whaa"...AND I never said give vanish to anyone...i said give other classes a 99% chance to get away - no vanish mentioned...you are reaching for anything and your arguments are ridiculous. AND you prove my point that hunters need some love when you say "the other 4 ppl that still play archers" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL!!!!!! There is a reason for that!!!! They are not anywhere near as fun to play as a lot/most of other classes......like I said before I don't care what you think...i'll stick to the truth...you can lie all you want in order to attempt to save your "easy" game kills

bruh.... youre fucken dumb as hell lol. you win, i cant argue with a dumbass wall i guess. although, i am glad you have moved onto a skald, can not wait to see all the deficiency you bring up in that class lol.
also, do you really not see how balancing around enjoyment is subjective??? like, honestly???

and, winging is an actual word, its english, and infers you are acting like a pussy. its not a misspelled whining.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 4:34 AM by Riac

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You read the whining (correct spelling) into it. I imo am not whining in any way. And you say about everything (hunters) and everyone (hunters) lol 1 subject...you're still a joke. Yes, I have tried so many different specs it would take a book to list them all here. AND you prove my point that the potions are ridiculous by saying "either you find him in the first couple of secs or hes totally gone" when before you say something to the fact as if the potions can actually help...which they really do not...which goes right back to 99% getaway...which you disagreed with also....you contradict yourself over and over just trying to make the devs and gms think there is nothing wrong with hunters LOL! You are such a joke! AND most stealthers, when losing 1v1 will vanish...say what you want...you know its true. Then you say Im the loser and the cause of the disadvantages hunters have to assassins OMG You are too funny!!! I hear you as whining..."please don't take away my easy kills whaa whaa then the game won't be as fun for me whaa whaa"...AND I never said give vanish to anyone...i said give other classes a 99% chance to get away - no vanish mentioned...you are reaching for anything and your arguments are ridiculous. AND you prove my point that hunters need some love when you say "the other 4 ppl that still play archers" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL!!!!!! There is a reason for that!!!! They are not anywhere near as fun to play as a lot/most of other classes......like I said before I don't care what you think...i'll stick to the truth...you can lie all you want in order to attempt to save your "easy" game kills

bruh.... youre fucken dumb as hell lol. you win, i cant argue with a dumbass wall i guess. although, i am glad you have moved onto a skald, can not wait to see all the deficiency you bring up in that class lol.
also, do you really not see how balancing around enjoyment is subjective??? like, honestly???

and, winging is an actual word, its english, and infers you are acting like a pussy. its not a misspelled whining.

Awe...first off, the way you talk... I am in no way your 'bruh'... youre would be you're...fucken would be fuckin'... dumb as hell is your opinion (which doesn't bother me at all)... cant has an fuckin' apostrophe in it... me being a dumbass is...well I think you know the answer...putting words in my mouth before I even mention anything...that is really pathetic...winging? never heard it before...and me acting like a pussy is...well, once again, i think you know the answer. HF on your OP'd easy mode much more enjoyable class. The truth is, before you play this game, ask which classes suck (in any realm) so you don't waste time leveling and spell-crafting only to find out the class is completely gimped...that is what I want changed...all classes should be some what fun. Otherwise, none of us would be playing any class.

Honestly, I do not see your point because there is a big difference between saying "i don't enjoy my bonedancer" and complete frustration caused by the class.

Later...

wow thank you for the english lesson, i had no idea about these apostrophes lol. shit really blew my mind when i googled it.
id love for you to play a sin, id love for everyone on this server to play a sin (ON THIS SERVER. your sin from 2010 on live doesnt count). i feel like thatd really squash this claim that sins are op and easy to play. they are certainly not easy to play and only op in the hands of ppl that really know how to play them. my proof for that is to just run around in emain for a while and youll encounter the ones that are truly hard to beat and the ones that are just clueless and fall over.

you should pick a new word to balance around besides enjoyment, because enjoyment is a subjective term.
subjective - based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
https://www.google.com/search?q=subjective&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=subjective&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i60l5.1455j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Mon 2 Mar 2020 4:52 AM by Riac

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Awe...first off, the way you talk... I am in no way your 'bruh'... youre would be you're...fucken would be fuckin'... dumb as hell is your opinion (which doesn't bother me at all)... cant has an fuckin' apostrophe in it... me being a dumbass is...well I think you know the answer...putting words in my mouth before I even mention anything...that is really pathetic...winging? never heard it before...and me acting like a pussy is...well, once again, i think you know the answer. HF on your OP'd easy mode much more enjoyable class. The truth is, before you play this game, ask which classes suck (in any realm) so you don't waste time leveling and spell-crafting only to find out the class is completely gimped...that is what I want changed...all classes should be some what fun. Otherwise, none of us would be playing any class.

Honestly, I do not see your point because there is a big difference between saying "i don't enjoy my bonedancer" and complete frustration caused by the class.

Later...

wow thank you for the english lesson, i had no idea about these apostrophes lol. shit really blew my mind when i googled it.
id love for you to play a sin, id love for everyone on this server to play a sin (ON THIS SERVER. your sin from 2010 on live doesnt count). i feel like thatd really squash this claim that sins are op and easy to play. they are certainly not easy to play and only op in the hands of ppl that really know how to play them. my proof for that is to just run around in emain for a while and youll encounter the ones that are truly hard to beat and the ones that are just clueless and fall over.

you should pick a new word to balance around besides enjoyment, because enjoyment is a subjective term.
subjective - based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
https://www.google.com/search?q=subjective&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS710US710&oq=subjective&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i60l5.1455j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Your own words...and only op in the hands of ppl that really know how to play them - showing they ARE OP'd.

Even the best players on hunters need all their RA's up to kill just about anything. You're still not convincing me of anything...actually just the opposite...you are proving my points.

i feel like the same could be said for pretty much all classes in this game. there is a small portion of people that can really make a class shine and push it to it limits and make it seem stronger than it really is.
lol pls name these best hunter players. id like to see if they think they are as gimp as you claim they are.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Alusetta
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Sygora
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Horg

these 3 guys are in the top 10 and seem to be doing quite well (the other 7 were 10k+ kills with ~1k solo kills, dont ask them shit because they dont know shit and just add lol). maybe you should message them to see how theyve managed to be strong on such a gimp class. or just keep WHINGING on the forums because you cant figure out how to play the video game correctly lol.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 5:10 AM by Riac

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pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np - wrong

also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe - I believe the speed you get with vanish pays no attention to hp

watch tani's videos, youll see him pre SLing a lot to kill ppl and it works great. see, i have now provided you with video evidence that it works great, you no longer have to take my word for it. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf-1KNz5H2mXOeJMc2cSXGg

also vanish give you +% movement speed. if you are at low hp and your movespeed is super low, the +% of low is still low af. unlike sos where it sets your move speed to a discrete value.... might want to learn how the skills work before you bitch about them, itll prevent you from looking ridiculous.

ummm I must be stupid cause I don't understand how does pre SLing as you say, has anything to do with "pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np"

you pop the SL before they vanish and after thier 1.5 sec (or w/e the timer is) youll see them just as they are getting out of clip range most of the time. most of the time ppl are slow on the SL pop (this prevents that) and their opponent is already out of clip range when they get the sight bonus. i also dont start moving till i think their unbreakable stealth is up, prevents you from just 50:50 guessing and picking poorly. sometimes ppl are obvious which direction they are going, some ppl will even feint one direction while you still have vision and pull a 180 once they vanish.
in DAOC its the subtle things that make you strong at your class. there are not too many big changes you can make to your game-play to make you better, but there are tons of small things you can do to really round out your play-style and make you shine above the rest.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 5:14 AM by Riac

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Your own words...and only op in the hands of ppl that really know how to play them - showing they ARE OP'd.

Even the best players on hunters need all their RA's up to kill just about anything. You're still not convincing me of anything...actually just the opposite...you are proving my points.

i feel like the same could be said for pretty much all classes in this game. there is a small portion of people that can really make a class shine and push it to it limits and make it seem stronger than it really is.
lol pls name these best hunter players. id like to see if they think they are as gimp as you claim they are.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Alusetta
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Sygora
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Horg

these 3 guys are in the top 10 and seem to be doing quite well (the other 7 were 10k+ kills with ~1k solo kills, dont ask them shit because they dont know shit and just add lol). maybe you should message them to see how theyve managed to be strong on such a gimp class. or just keep WHINGING on the forums because you cant figure out how to play the video game correctly lol.

Well i have talked with hunters, and in general, we all agree that they need some love. Doesn't matter to me what anyone else says...in general they need something to make it more enjoyable.

no names? just in general? well ive talked with ppl, in general, and they agree that hunters and archers should not get love and deserve to burn in hell.
see how that works? put something forth w/o evidence and it can be dismiss w/o evidence.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 5:18 AM by Riac

the most ridiculous part of all this is that youre still only rr5. you hardly have enough RAs to get a respectable amount of purge and IP. sins arent great at low ranks either. pretty much no class is gonna do that well solo low rank, especially when they are fighting the high ranked solos out there.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 6:02 AM by pollojack

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You say that like ns, infi & sb are low on the totem pole...which they are not. I asked them to even the playing field not give the stronger classes something as well...

Merc VS Don't purge slam, get shredded by any properly specd merc. Purge slam, fumble debuff, literally why people don't want vamps here.
Reaver VS No purge, die before stun ends
Thane VS Purge slam, static temp, slam again
Champ VS Purge slam, get debuffed, static temp reserve

Those are all 80% losses without the need to use IP which they likely have. The only reason they aren't at the top is because they are visible and get run down by smallmans/8mans. Occasionally they can lose but if played properly they should never lose. I also am not even including your typical top of the totem necro, BD, minst.

Yes, I have won against those classes but it is rare they don't have their abilities up.

Keep going...there are plenty of other classes. lol you only name 4 AND you name specific RAs that IF they are up, the other classes have a chance LOL yet we all know those RAs are not always up. NS, INFI and SB have it a little too easy here with WS debuff, Disease, STR/CON debuff and DoT poison. Oh yeah...and an almost guaranteed get away LOL Too Funny

Every single one of those fights rely on purge being up. I have survived BM stuns but they are typically group specd.

Also the Hunter is fine. I have come within 5% HP of winning vs RR10 and RR11s at RR5. Killed several RR6-7 sins as a RR3. There are two specs to consider, spear and more spear. Bow Should not be higher than 49 composit. The 1% increase is not worth the points you could dump into spear crit shot still does ~500 and a great opener vs sins. Doggo is ~100 dmg bonus and, if working correctly, increases your To-Hit bonus. The 34 anytimer hits hard but you should have 39 or ideally 44 spear increasing it as you RRank up.

You can't kill everything but do have a better chance vs necros and some pet classes than plain NS.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:51 PM by Luluko

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Sun 1 Mar 2020 8:36 PM
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Sun 1 Mar 2020 10:36 AM
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You say that like ns, infi & sb are low on the totem pole...which they are not. I asked them to even the playing field not give the stronger classes something as well...

maybe play one then if they are that op

Everyone always puts words in my mouth. None of you read properly. Did I say op? nope. I said they are not low on the totem pole...ie they do not need a change. when someone asks for a change you all chime in because you don't want to lose you easy rp kills. you're a joke!

I havent even played in half a year at least. And dont forget: You have to warm up better to stretch this hard.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 3:04 PM by Nunki

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Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:14 AM
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Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM
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Mon 2 Mar 2020 12:59 AM
You only try to change the subject to "me being the problem" when I am pointing out problems with balance. You sir are an idiot that would think its ok for some to be intentionally have less advantages than others. You sound like you would support intentional operations at birth that disable some people and "think" its ok. You are a joke to me! lol

the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Oh i've used the potions LOL!!!! 10 claws and each charge last 1 minute!!!! 1 frickin minute HAHAHAHAH LOL!!!!! My hunter is Bowin, he is RR 5 - took way to many deaths and adding to get there - QoL for hunters is ridiculous. You are still the joke to me because you browse the forums looking for anyone trying to point at what 'might' affect your easy kill rps.... You avoid the truth and only attempt to keep things as they are so you continue to have the easy kills. I will point out what I see as unfair both in games and irl. It doesn't matter to me what you think...its just whast you think.

Shortee, we had that in another thread.

While your point is not entirely wrong, you exaggerate in an extreme way.
Most of your complaints are based on your insufficient knowledge of classes and their related playstyle.
You obviously think that every class should be straight forward and comparable to any other class in terms of rps/kill, playstyle and joy.

You feel directly personally attacked as soon as someone disagress.

Think about it.

As soon as you open a flame thread and you get overrun with different opinions made by DAoC vetarans (not talking about me), you should really ask yourself if you might be wrong.
Instead you assume that everybody commenting is playing the class that should get nerfed (because they want free rps) or that they play against the class that should get buffed (because they want free rps).

At no point you ask yourself if your request for a nerf or buff might be absurd (or exaggerated).

I mean, lets start with the title of your thread. It is a joke itself.

Have fun and relax.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 3:08 PM by Nunki

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Mon 2 Mar 2020 5:12 AM
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Mon 2 Mar 2020 4:52 AM
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Mon 2 Mar 2020 4:49 AM
Your own words...and only op in the hands of ppl that really know how to play them - showing they ARE OP'd.

Even the best players on hunters need all their RA's up to kill just about anything. You're still not convincing me of anything...actually just the opposite...you are proving my points.

i feel like the same could be said for pretty much all classes in this game. there is a small portion of people that can really make a class shine and push it to it limits and make it seem stronger than it really is.
lol pls name these best hunter players. id like to see if they think they are as gimp as you claim they are.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Alusetta
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Sygora
https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Horg

these 3 guys are in the top 10 and seem to be doing quite well (the other 7 were 10k+ kills with ~1k solo kills, dont ask them shit because they dont know shit and just add lol). maybe you should message them to see how theyve managed to be strong on such a gimp class. or just keep WHINGING on the forums because you cant figure out how to play the video game correctly lol.

Well i have talked with hunters, and in general, we all agree that they need some love. Doesn't matter to me what anyone else says...in general they need something to make it more enjoyable.

In your other thread stating that "Hunters are unplayable"!!!! https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11783&start=70
At least 80% of the comments are against your opinion and state that there are aspects of the game you didn't understand yet.

Do you really believe what you write?

Mon 2 Mar 2020 3:19 PM by Nunki

Shortee wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 6:58 AM
pollojack wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 6:02 AM
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Sun 1 Mar 2020 8:44 PM
Keep going...there are plenty of other classes. lol you only name 4 AND you name specific RAs that IF they are up, the other classes have a chance LOL yet we all know those RAs are not always up. NS, INFI and SB have it a little too easy here with WS debuff, Disease, STR/CON debuff and DoT poison. Oh yeah...and an almost guaranteed get away LOL Too Funny
Every single one of those fights rely on purge being up. I have survived BM stuns but they are typically group specd.

Also the Hunter is fine. I have come within 5% HP of winning vs RR10 and RR11s at RR5. Killed several RR6-7 sins as a RR3. There are two specs to consider, spear and more spear. Bow Should not be higher than 49 composit. The 1% increase is not worth the points you could dump into spear crit shot still does ~500 and a great opener vs sins. Doggo is ~100 dmg bonus and, if working correctly, increases your To-Hit bonus. The 34 anytimer hits hard but you should have 39 or ideally 44 spear increasing it as you RRank up.

You can't kill everything but do have a better chance vs necros and some pet classes than plain NS.

That does not sound far off from one of the specs i tried which was 39 spr, 39 stl, 34 Arch & 42 BC. But that did not change the outcome vs assassins. With all their debuffs spear was way too slow already and after the debuffs was just crazy slow. Miss rate was way off the charts high AND Purge and IP only made death come a little slower. I never came across other pet classes solo so i think that point is kinda mute. Necros would also kill me very easily as I attempted to kill their pets. I am not sure where you get your info - but none of it matches my experience. Not saying your wrong (except on Hunters are fine) just saying it doesn't match what I've run into. And yes I was completely capped SC'd. Plus, not to many chances to get a crit shot off on a sin unless they are already visible and not in battle. As a matter of fact, that statement about a crit show being a great opener vs sins actually makes me wonder if your entire post is nothing but bullshit. I mean, how often is an assassin visible and not in battle long enough for you to draw a crit shot? um..like never!

Which RA's did you spec?
Which spear do you use?
Do you use Purge + IP + heal charge + heal potions in the right moment?
Are you able to backstyle stun strafe your enemy (huge part btw.)? Do you strafe positionals in general?

Crit shot as an opener is valid, especially in cases where you see them during stealth at the edge of your clipping range.
You keep on running in that direction, prepare your crit strike and wait for them to get in range.
I love waiting at the docks or bridge with pulled Crit Strike. You obviously need some patience for that.

Hell, as soon as I see a Sin, I send my wolve on them and therefore destealth them while kiting.
They can Garotte your pet but that situation is quite perfect (and extremely easy) to pull of your backstyle stun by using the natural stick-/strafe-lag DAoC offers.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 3:33 PM by Tillbeast

With regards Vanish Shortee as others have said it has been talked about over and over again and yet the ability remains.
Everything you say about vanish is correct, in a 1 v 1 situation it is extremely powerful, its extremely effective and there is very little to counter it. It is no fun to fight a sin and get the upper hand only for it to vanish but there are a lot of unfun realm abilities that have even more severe effects than vanish. No one has ever died to vanish unlike twf, static tempest or ichor for example, all of them are broken in a 1v1 situation. However all of those abilities plus vanish were never designed for 1v1 situations but for large scale battles. Players have taken upon themselves to play the game anyhow they see fit which is fine but asking the staff to change the core idea of the game to assist a by product is unwise. Assassins although they often run solo are still designed for the larger scale battles, they use vanish to escape the attention of the enemies who have just lost their clothe caster/support to an assassin that has just popped up in the middle of them and made short of their target. Vanish is vital for the assassins style of play in large scale engagements as they neither have the hit points nor armour to make it back behind there own lines. Take vanish away makes assassins pretty much pointless and makes the balance of power in large scale battles switch to ranged clothe casters. Also remember for every 5 points spent in vanish is 5 less in dps related realm abilities so its a compromise if you want to aim for 1v1 fights. For those that run with or around the zerg it is rather essential.

The problem is when vanish is brought to a 1v1 situation...should it be nerfed to help the solo style of play? In my opinion no. To do so opens up the question...what other realm abilities are too powerful for solo play and once you start balancing the game around solo play where does that leave the large scale battles if the big realm abilities don't have the same effect due to being nerfed due to solo play. Sometimes you just have to put up with something you don't like for the benefit of the game. I hate base line stun on hib dps clothe casters, I think its too powerful but to remove it would have to big an effect on the realm balance so i begrudgingly accept it. (also it's why I kill them first before any other target where possible...sorry hibs)

Also don't you find it a little ironic complaining about vanish when you are now playing a skald? SOS is also a 99% get out of jail free card when used in a solo situation.

Tue 3 Mar 2020 1:13 AM by gotwqqd

Nunki wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 3:04 PM
Shortee wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:14 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM
the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Oh i've used the potions LOL!!!! 10 claws and each charge last 1 minute!!!! 1 frickin minute HAHAHAHAH LOL!!!!! My hunter is Bowin, he is RR 5 - took way to many deaths and adding to get there - QoL for hunters is ridiculous. You are still the joke to me because you browse the forums looking for anyone trying to point at what 'might' affect your easy kill rps.... You avoid the truth and only attempt to keep things as they are so you continue to have the easy kills. I will point out what I see as unfair both in games and irl. It doesn't matter to me what you think...its just whast you think.
Shortee, we had that in another thread.

While your point is not entirely wrong, you exaggerate in an extreme way.
Most of your complaints are based on your insufficient knowledge of classes and their related playstyle.
You obviously think that every class should be straight forward and comparable to any other class in terms of rps/kill, playstyle and joy.

You feel directly personally attacked as soon as someone disagress.

Think about it.

As soon as you open a flame thread and you get overrun with different opinions made by DAoC vetarans (not talking about me), you should really ask yourself if you might be wrong.
Instead you assume that everybody commenting is playing the class that should get nerfed (because they want free rps) or that they play against the class that should get buffed (because they want free rps).

At no point you ask yourself if your request for a nerf or buff might be absurd (or exaggerated).

I mean, lets start with the title of your thread. It is a joke itself.

Have fun and relax.

Not to mention that some classes will /are meant to be soft vs others. So maybe hunters aren’t lights out against assassins...try against other classes

Tue 3 Mar 2020 1:40 AM by pollojack

Shortee wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 6:58 AM
pollojack wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 6:02 AM
Shortee wrote: ↑
Sun 1 Mar 2020 8:44 PM
Keep going...there are plenty of other classes. lol you only name 4 AND you name specific RAs that IF they are up, the other classes have a chance LOL yet we all know those RAs are not always up. NS, INFI and SB have it a little too easy here with WS debuff, Disease, STR/CON debuff and DoT poison. Oh yeah...and an almost guaranteed get away LOL Too Funny
Every single one of those fights rely on purge being up. I have survived BM stuns but they are typically group specd.

Also the Hunter is fine. I have come within 5% HP of winning vs RR10 and RR11s at RR5. Killed several RR6-7 sins as a RR3. There are two specs to consider, spear and more spear. Bow Should not be higher than 49 composit. The 1% increase is not worth the points you could dump into spear crit shot still does ~500 and a great opener vs sins. Doggo is ~100 dmg bonus and, if working correctly, increases your To-Hit bonus. The 34 anytimer hits hard but you should have 39 or ideally 44 spear increasing it as you RRank up.

You can't kill everything but do have a better chance vs necros and some pet classes than plain NS.

That does not sound far off from one of the specs i tried which was 39 spr, 39 stl, 34 Arch & 42 BC. But that did not change the outcome vs assassins. With all their debuffs spear was way too slow already and after the debuffs was just crazy slow. Miss rate was way off the charts high AND Purge and IP only made death come a little slower. I never came across other pet classes solo so i think that point is kinda mute. Necros would also kill me very easily as I attempted to kill their pets. I am not sure where you get your info - but none of it matches my experience. Not saying your wrong (except on Hunters are fine) just saying it doesn't match what I've run into. And yes I was completely capped SC'd. Plus, not to many chances to get a crit shot off on a sin unless they are already visible and not in battle. As a matter of fact, that statement about a crit show being a great opener vs sins actually makes me wonder if your entire post is nothing but bullshit. I mean, how often is an assassin visible and not in battle long enough for you to draw a crit shot? um..like never!

Wait at docks or bridge with crit shot up and blunt arrows. This tactic is why I argue for 0% chance to destealth on crit shot, tanks have a 30-50% chance to block the crit anyway while you have to open with LongShot on casters so there isn't a use for it typically unless you are adding 8 mans or zergs.

VS alb/hib sins they aren't always able to apply all their poisons. I check after the first or second swing to see if I can pop HoL or a heal charge without it being affected by disease. Saving purge for their stun or if they run viper 5, ~100 dmg a tick.

The miss rate for spear is like 20% default? I have had 10% miss rates on cloth users running from me while I tried to use rear stun which is supposed to have a 10% hit bonus, pretty damn dumb sure. Spear users also suffer from the bonus to defense that hamstring and leaper have. It is best to try and hit their sides so they can't evade nor use those styles.

Make sure you are using the fastest lifedrain spear you can get a hold of. I have two, thrust for inf and slash for ns.

You would be surprised at the amount of solo chanters running along hib river. Occasionally there are sorcs and therus too. With chanter ideally I let them run to me, let pet break BT and draw chanter pet agro, loose arrow, switch to spear and try to rear stun.

Necro requires kiting so the necromancer can't cast LT. This is easier for the hunter as you can sick a pet on them after opening with crit. You will have to tank their QC and possibly QC reset. I run during that to get distance to use my bow but admittedly I can only get one or two shots off before pet is back on me. If it is that RR12 necro he will hit for 300+ in addition to like 30% crit chance so you are kinda toast. Making a champ to see if there is a melee that can handle necro properly. I would say necros are busted atm as my RR3 easily took down RR9s, some classes couldn't out DPS my necro casted LT let alone the pet casted one.

Tue 3 Mar 2020 2:36 PM by joshisanonymous

Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM
the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Pretty sure the only time I don't have assassins vanish on me in 1v1s that I'm winning is when they are very low RR and so probably don't even have vanish yet. I think you're underestimating how often vanish is used in 1v1 situations, or at least you're underestimating how often some of us have to deal with it.

That said, I did not know that stealth lore worked on vanished assassins. I've never uncovered an assassin after vanishing and I assumed this was because it put you into some special undetectable stealth for several seconds. Thanks for the tip.

Tue 3 Mar 2020 3:24 PM by Sepplord

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Mar 2020 2:36 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM
the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Pretty sure the only time I don't have assassins vanish on me in 1v1s that I'm winning is when they are very low RR and so probably don't even have vanish yet. I think you're underestimating how often vanish is used in 1v1 situations, or at least you're underestimating how often some of us have to deal with it.

That said, I did not know that stealth lore worked on vanished assassins. I've never uncovered an assassin after vanishing and I assumed this was because it put you into some special undetectable stealth for several seconds. Thanks for the tip.

during the vanish "superstealth" it will not help, but if a stealther uses it immediatly/within a second of them vanishig and doesn't move then they will barely see the vanishing stealthers for a moment and can run after them and track them down with the pot.

It shouldn't work for non-stealthers though as the pot doesn't give you an absolute vision, but stacks with the natural detection of stealther (AFAIK) Please, if anyone knows this better clarification would be great

Tue 3 Mar 2020 6:24 PM by Riac

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Mar 2020 2:36 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 1:08 AM
the fact that you think vanish is a 99% escape makes you the idiot and joke imo. have you heard of stealth lore potions? most ppl wont vanish in 1v1s but there are some ppl that do and are generally known for it. pop a sl before they vanish and youll get them np.... some ppl are good at guessing where ppl run to when they vanish, i am not one of those ppl and have poor luck finding them, im guessing by the title in your post that you are also. tbh, this has already been hashed out on the forums a million times. just use the search function and youll find a shitload of threads on this.
also if you vanish on low hp, you cant move for shit unless you strafe, and strafing isnt that fast. once again, im guessing the problem is more with you than the classes in question. and the fact that youd drop ip for vanish is just foolish, talk about never winning fights ever again lol. what is your hunters name? what rr are you on that guy?

Pretty sure the only time I don't have assassins vanish on me in 1v1s that I'm winning is when they are very low RR and so probably don't even have vanish yet. I think you're underestimating how often vanish is used in 1v1 situations, or at least you're underestimating how often some of us have to deal with it.

That said, I did not know that stealth lore worked on vanished assassins. I've never uncovered an assassin after vanishing and I assumed this was because it put you into some special undetectable stealth for several seconds. Thanks for the tip.

well, considering youre a bd. i dont think they feel too bad vanishing on you. a lot of the "cheaper" classes dont get the same respect.

Wed 4 Mar 2020 1:26 AM by joshisanonymous

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Mar 2020 6:24 PM
well, considering youre a bd. i dont think they feel too bad vanishing on you. a lot of the "cheaper" classes dont get the same respect.

Right, I can only expect people to respect me if I play a class that sucks for solo play.

Wed 4 Mar 2020 4:12 AM by Riac

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Wed 4 Mar 2020 1:26 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Mar 2020 6:24 PM
well, considering youre a bd. i dont think they feel too bad vanishing on you. a lot of the "cheaper" classes dont get the same respect.

Right, I can only expect people to respect me if I play a class that sucks for solo play.

dont have to play one that sucks but you have to admit, BD is a bit stronger than most and its kinda lame. stand there and spam instas while you rely on pets to heal like crazy. same goes for necros and minis. most ppl see that as cheesy shit and just dont want to participate in any way. they may not mind dying but some things are just annoying. not to mention, the majority of ppl that play that sort of shit add, even if its just once. ppl dont forget and stay butthurt forever lol.
that being said, if they pop on you and then vanish... thats just sad and you should be upset about that. however, if you add on them or try to vulture them, id vanish on you. but i play mid and generally dont have any interactions with bds, thank god. i, personally, can not stand dying to necros. that class is lame af. i wont pop on them, because i know better, but i will vanish on them if they find me or add. however, insta vanishing when they pop me doesnt cost them anything and only costs me. im not gonna fight them for a little while and then vanish, thats dangerous.

Wed 4 Mar 2020 2:31 PM by joshisanonymous

Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 4 Mar 2020 4:12 AM
dont have to play one that sucks but you have to admit, BD is a bit stronger than most and its kinda lame. stand there and spam instas while you rely on pets to heal like crazy. same goes for necros and minis. most ppl see that as cheesy shit and just dont want to participate in any way. they may not mind dying but some things are just annoying. not to mention, the majority of ppl that play that sort of shit add, even if its just once. ppl dont forget and stay butthurt forever lol.
that being said, if they pop on you and then vanish... thats just sad and you should be upset about that. however, if you add on them or try to vulture them, id vanish on you. but i play mid and generally dont have any interactions with bds, thank god. i, personally, can not stand dying to necros. that class is lame af. i wont pop on them, because i know better, but i will vanish on them if they find me or add. however, insta vanishing when they pop me doesnt cost them anything and only costs me. im not gonna fight them for a little while and then vanish, thats dangerous.

I understand the class is strong 1v1 and would never deny that, but so are assassins, and I can tell you that killing an assassin that knows what they're doing is not as simple as standing there spamming instas. In fact, since the buff pot changes, that doesn't work very well against basically any class except casters (who are almost never solo anyway) and those that have little to no spike damage (e.g., wardens and friars, who are also rarely solo). I can't tank the plethora of champs out there or any other tank with decent damage, especially when they unload on my pets and drop them often faster than I can even cast a heal. I have juggernaut 3 specifically because my pets die way too easily otherwise, after which I'm essentially a sitting duck.

So yes, BDs are strong 1v1, but it gets old hearing "you play a BD" as an excuse for why nothing I say ever matters. I usually have to blow at least purge to beat assassins, and then I still usually have to do more than just spam LT, and then they frequently vanish on me if I manage to win. Not gonna say I don't mind, but I don't think it needs to be changed necessarily. My only point was that it's not a rare occurrence from my point of view.

(Also, I'll definitely add and I don't care if others add on me. I see that as being more of what vanish is supposed to be about: it's a tool that a mostly solo class has so they can deal with the inevitable.)

Wed 4 Mar 2020 3:12 PM by Riac

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Wed 4 Mar 2020 2:31 PM
So yes, BDs are strong 1v1, but it gets old hearing "you play a BD" as an excuse for why nothing I say ever matters.I usually have to blow at least purge to beat assassins, and then I stillusually have to do more than just spam LT, and then they frequently vanish on me if I manage to win. Not gonna say I don't mind, but I don't think it needs to be changed necessarily. My only point was that it's not a rare occurrence from my point of view.

(Also,I'll definitely add and I don't care if others add on me. I see that as being more of what vanish is supposed to be about: it's a tool that a mostly solo class has so they can deal with the inevitable.)

couple of key phrases here, note the usually(s) lol. aaaaand then we get to the meat on the bones. this is why ppl treat you how they do, you add on ppl.

Wed 4 Mar 2020 7:47 PM by joshisanonymous

Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 4 Mar 2020 3:12 PM
couple of key phrases here, note the usually(s) lol. aaaaand then we get to the meat on the bones. this is why ppl treat you how they do, you add on ppl.

"Usually" as in against players who aren't bad.

And how do people treat me? Are you saying they vanish on me? I haven't actually been complaining about vanish even though it works against me pretty often. Are you saying they add on my fights? Again, don't care if they do.

Edit: Or are you talking about people disregarding everything I say? In that case, I'm not sure what adding has to do with whether my experience with people vanishing being accurate or not. I would say people disregarding what I say for such reasons are shortsighted.

Thu 5 Mar 2020 7:30 AM by Sepplord

Riac wrote: ↑
Wed 4 Mar 2020 3:12 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Wed 4 Mar 2020 2:31 PM
So yes, BDs are strong 1v1, but it gets old hearing "you play a BD" as an excuse for why nothing I say ever matters.I usually have to blow at least purge to beat assassins, and then I stillusually have to do more than just spam LT, and then they frequently vanish on me if I manage to win. Not gonna say I don't mind, but I don't think it needs to be changed necessarily. My only point was that it's not a rare occurrence from my point of view.

(Also,I'll definitely add and I don't care if others add on me. I see that as being more of what vanish is supposed to be about: it's a tool that a mostly solo class has so they can deal with the inevitable.)

couple of key phrases here, note the usually(s) lol. aaaaand then we get to the meat on the bones. this is why ppl treat you how they do, you add on ppl.

If he doesn't need purge in 100% of the cases, then saying usually makes sense. A noob assassins that misses PA and forgot to poison its weapons will not require purge to beat.
I know it is becoming normal to see it as weakness when someone talks in relative terms and doesn't just spout his opinion as 100% fact into the world but in my opinion it's a more realistic representation and every discussion would benefit from people being honest and not just stating 90% as 100%.

Thu 5 Mar 2020 1:28 PM by thirian24

I mainly reserve vanish for situation when the garb alb stealth Zerg is out, i get added on by full groups or when I keep getting attacked waved after wave.

BUT, there are those few players out there that like to RA dump on initial engagement. I know most of them, I know that they RA dump right off the bat. So I'll PA/CD them, watch them RA dump and vanish then watch them hide in the keep for 15 minutes. Thanes are notorious for this. Mercs will hide in the keep too, until DT is up.