full buff pots in battle grounds

full buff pots are too expensive for noobs. either you dont allow em to be used in battlegrounds or you allow buffbots.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 10:19 AM by faliv

Or you just invite a class with buffs, rumors say, that you can play such a class even by yourself.

Played a lot in tha last days in cale, used exactly 20 single-buffcharges (beside endureg). Think i was pretty successfull overall, so can not see the problem. Maybe for the Darkblackshadowsoloheros, but if you want to be that guy, you have to pay the price.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 12:00 PM by heardstheword

You can buy the cheaper version (which offer the exact same buff amounts, just have to do them one at a time) for way less. Money is so easy to come by on this server.

Pretty sure I had about 3-4 plat per character that I leveled to 50, and that's after money spent on crafting a bit.

Obviously if you /level you have no money, but that's the price to pay for quick levels.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 1:36 PM by Quik

I love people who seem to want to use the argument that 100 charge barrels are to spendy for casuals.

Maybe they are but you can buy the 10 charge versions dirt cheap and get 100 minutes of play time from them.

Like Hearthesword said, by the time you hit 50 you have at least 2-3 plat.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 5:57 PM by Warjon

As a dedicated support player Pots is the one thing that has me wondering if I will play the release. /shrug

Fri 24 Aug 2018 6:27 PM by heardstheword

Warjon wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Aug 2018 5:57 PM
As a dedicated support player Pots is the one thing that has me wondering if I will play the release. /shrug

I have yet to see a single instance where a group will run buffpots over an actual support class. It's not a thing, and I'm not sure why people on the forums pretend its a common occurrence.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 8:12 PM by Warjon

So pots do not lead to more soloing and some less grouping?

Fri 24 Aug 2018 8:19 PM by heardstheword

That's not at all what I said and has nothing to do with the fact that you will never be excluded from a group due to buffPots.

Raising the floor does not lower the ceiling, which is what you're arguing.

That's a straw man argument.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 8:31 PM by MeanderSilberberg

So we have a list of trolls here. Off course, i can craft the buff pots myself. And i will use em . but if these trolls would read carefully, i was talking about noobs. Players, who's highest character is a level 22. He maybe wanna have some fun in Thidranki, and not just feed trolls.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 8:56 PM by phixion

I wouldn't have minded NPC buffers for Caledonia, if only because I'm having trouble finding some of the buff pots on the merchants.

Fri 24 Aug 2018 9:14 PM by Niix

phixion wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Aug 2018 8:56 PM
I wouldn't have minded NPC buffers for Caledonia, if only because I'm having trouble finding some of the buff pots on the merchants.

This likely won’t be an issue on live after people continue to craft and massage the economy cuz t matters

Beta still beta

Sat 25 Aug 2018 10:42 AM by Frigzy

In my opinion the buffpots are fine. The value is quite low.

Juggling charges AND pots however is a mess which gives real advantages.

Charges in and of themselves are not a problem either, however, the cost to maintain them is immense. Since they give such a significant advantage I can see the use of 2-3 buffcharges on solo-smallman and even FG RvR at times.

Do we really want to pay 20g / 10 min which effectively forces people to farm cash every other day to sustain their competitiveness in RvR?

I think a solution has to be established where pot- and charge-buffing is balanced, sustainable and accessible.

Sat 25 Aug 2018 11:53 AM by Warjon

shhh we are only allowed to look at one aspect of how pots affect things!

Sat 25 Aug 2018 6:21 PM by relvinian

I had a suggestion for low value npc buffs.

https://playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1623

I think my suggestion would help a lot:

1. Help low levels get started.
2. Balance casual/hardcore (some)
3. BG's balance better with some buffs than no buffs vs ultra twinks.
4. Just general make life happier/more pleasant for many situations.

Hardcore elite badasses will still be hardcore elite badasses and they will win more often.

Sun 26 Aug 2018 7:21 AM by relvinian

Bigga wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Aug 2018 11:41 PM
If you dont like it, you have the option to leave.

Abydos is that you?

Sun 26 Aug 2018 11:03 AM by Bigga

relvinian wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 7:21 AM
Bigga wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Aug 2018 11:41 PM
If you dont like it, you have the option to leave.

Abydos is that you?

Sun 26 Aug 2018 9:35 PM by [email protected]

It was missing when /30 came up live. Unless you had alch to 650 you weren't going to have potion buffs. They delve lower then live, which is 51 for str/con pot . 85 total with str included.
(http://apothecary.daoc-sites.info/reference_statbuff.php).
About 65 for str and str/con buff potion combined here at Phoenix. Yellow con buffs
...and buff from shaman were about 100. Pretty damn low for stat buff pots imho.

Why the fuck they don't do buff merchants or allow bots is beyond me.

Has a similar feel to uthgard. Will people play with that low of buff potions, I doubt it.

ops: pretty fucking gay

Make stat buff potions like live or diaf fc's

Fri 31 Aug 2018 5:52 AM by poisonclover

heardstheword wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Aug 2018 8:19 PM
That's not at all what I said and has nothing to do with the fact that you will never be excluded from a group due to buffPots.

Raising the floor does not lower the ceiling, which is what you're arguing.

That's a straw man argument.

^ this response, smfh^ if buffpots are deterring you from playing a support, your probably doing your realm a solid by not playing one.