Name respec

Started 9 Feb 2020
by joshisanonymous
in Suggestions
Would love to see a name change respec stone along the lines of stat and appearance respecs. I'm guessing the devs don't want to do this because it would allow people to erase their reputation, so if that's part of it, I would also suggest that doing /who on the player also shows their old name.
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:39 PM by Riac
another dead horse to beat on. theyve said this will never happen for the obv reasons you just mentioned.
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:45 PM by joshisanonymous
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:39 PM
another dead horse to beat on. theyve said this will never happen for the obv reasons you just mentioned.

Maybe I can just convince someone to report my name as offensive, then? :/
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:02 PM by Riac
joshisanonymous wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:45 PM
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:39 PM
another dead horse to beat on. theyve said this will never happen for the obv reasons you just mentioned.

Maybe I can just convince someone to report my name as offensive, then? :/

maybe, they seem to change names for random reasons. i had a shammy named gaylord and they changed that w/o even telling me, and im a homosexual indian man.
they literally have 6 towns in the US with that name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord
its also the name of a big money hotel/resort chain. https://www.marriott.com/gaylord-hotels/travel.mi
and yet, its too offensive for me to have that name i guess. according to the wiki its an old french name, leave it to the french to come up with something so disgusting and vile that it must be done away with on phoenix. lol
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:04 PM by Cadebrennus
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:02 PM
joshisanonymous wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:45 PM
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:39 PM
another dead horse to beat on. theyve said this will never happen for the obv reasons you just mentioned.

Maybe I can just convince someone to report my name as offensive, then? :/

maybe, they seem to change names for random reasons. i had a shammy named gaylord and they changed that w/o even telling me, and im a homosexual indian man.
they literally have 6 towns in the US with that name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord
its also the name of a big money hotel/resort chain. https://www.marriott.com/gaylord-hotels/travel.mi
and yet, its too offensive for me to have that name i guess. according to the wiki its an old french name, leave it to the french to come up with something so disgusting and vile that it must be done away with on phoenix. lol

Indian as in Native American or from India? Just curious.
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:05 PM by Riac
Cadebrennus wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:04 PM
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:02 PM
joshisanonymous wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:45 PM
Maybe I can just convince someone to report my name as offensive, then? :/

maybe, they seem to change names for random reasons. i had a shammy named gaylord and they changed that w/o even telling me, and im a homosexual indian man.
they literally have 6 towns in the US with that name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord
its also the name of a big money hotel/resort chain. https://www.marriott.com/gaylord-hotels/travel.mi
and yet, its too offensive for me to have that name i guess. according to the wiki its an old french name, leave it to the french to come up with something so disgusting and vile that it must be done away with on phoenix. lol

Indian as in Native American or from India? Just curious.

india/ american
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:09 PM by Cadebrennus
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:05 PM
Cadebrennus wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:04 PM
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:02 PM
maybe, they seem to change names for random reasons. i had a shammy named gaylord and they changed that w/o even telling me, and im a homosexual indian man.
they literally have 6 towns in the US with that name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord
its also the name of a big money hotel/resort chain. https://www.marriott.com/gaylord-hotels/travel.mi
and yet, its too offensive for me to have that name i guess. according to the wiki its an old french name, leave it to the french to come up with something so disgusting and vile that it must be done away with on phoenix. lol

Indian as in Native American or from India? Just curious.

india/ american

Ah gotcha. I was curious because there's so much confusion in the U.S. about the two, thanks to Columbus landing in the Caribbean and thinking he hit the West Indies, then subsequently naming the natives "Indians."
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:10 PM by Riac
Cadebrennus wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:09 PM
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:05 PM
Cadebrennus wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 9:04 PM
Indian as in Native American or from India? Just curious.

india/ american

Ah gotcha. I was curious because there's so much confusion in the U.S. about the two, thanks to Columbus landing in the Caribbean and thinking he hit the West Indies, then subsequently naming the natives "Indians."

we're all the same
#onerace #theytookmynamebecausetheyhategays
Mon 24 Feb 2020 11:04 AM by querbeet
Riac wrote:
Sun 9 Feb 2020 8:39 PM
another dead horse to beat on. theyve said this will never happen for the obv reasons you just mentioned.

I have, I think, a totally reasonable case for name changes to be allowed:

I come from the Live server which I also still regularly play on. Since I am not fully aware on the mechanics of the game (this refers to the use of folder structure on operating system level) I have now constant issues with characters which have identical names on Live and Phoenix. e.g. I have an Animist on Live and Phoenix with identical names, an enchanter has the same name as Healer I have etc. just to name a few examples.

The knowledge that both, Live and Phoenix, use %AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM as the reference to their quickbars folder is something I only learned when I started researching why quickbars where all messed up etc. It would be nice if we can get a name change for these kind of reasons. Which I feel is a legitimate ask. Nobody not living the DAOC dream everyday can know about the common use of the above mentioned folder.

While it costs money on Live to rename a character it would be a gesture of common sense, by the responsible folks, to allow people requesting name change tokens via a ticket, or similar after stating their case - in my above mentioned scenario it is also perfectly easy to prove the problem indeed exists. That doesn't cost anything and is a reasonable ask I feel.

Thanks
Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:31 PM by watbrif
I'd give a free respec to every animist and bard called "shroom" or "mezz" and tell them to try harder....
Mon 24 Feb 2020 4:35 PM by romulus
querbeet wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 11:04 AM
I have, I think, a totally reasonable case for name changes to be allowed:

I come from the Live server which I also still regularly play on. Since I am not fully aware on the mechanics of the game (this refers to the use of folder structure on operating system level) I have now constant issues with characters which have identical names on Live and Phoenix. e.g. I have an Animist on Live and Phoenix with identical names, an enchanter has the same name as Healer I have etc. just to name a few examples.

The knowledge that both, Live and Phoenix, use %AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM as the reference to their quickbars folder is something I only learned when I started researching why quickbars where all messed up etc. It would be nice if we can get a name change for these kind of reasons. Which I feel is a legitimate ask. Nobody not living the DAOC dream everyday can know about the common use of the above mentioned folder.

While it costs money on Live to rename a character it would be a gesture of common sense, by the responsible folks, to allow people requesting name change tokens via a ticket, or similar after stating their case - in my above mentioned scenario it is also perfectly easy to prove the problem indeed exists. That doesn't cost anything and is a reasonable ask I feel.

Thanks
Hi!
If you are just posting a reason for why you think name respecs should be allowed, then cool.
If you are actually looking for a solution to the problem you mention, then you could always make a copy of your /LoTM or /phoenix character directories and swap them in or out when you start the game. You could also get fancy-shmancy with symbolic links, or even edit your Paths.DAT file and set a different path for both servers.

The bottom line is that there are plenty of client-side solutions to this problem that don't require a server-side change to fix.
:hugs:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 7:44 PM by querbeet
romulus wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 4:35 PM
Hi!
If you are just posting a reason for why you think name respecs should be allowed, then cool.
If you are actually looking for a solution to the problem you mention, then you could always make a copy of your /LoTM or /phoenix character directories and swap them in or out when you start the game. You could also get fancy-shmancy with symbolic links, or even edit your Paths.DAT file and set a different path for both servers.

The bottom line is that there are plenty of client-side solutions to this problem that don't require a server-side change to fix.
:hugs:

That is what I did: I configured the bars of the duplicate toon names on Phoenix. Then I duplicated the /LoTM folder. So now i have two versions of the folder. I did a wee script in PowerShell that renames the folders depending on which shortcut I use. I am no pro but with a little google and stackoverflow I was able to manage. Since the script is not really sophisticated it has its problems but I got it working for me. I am not coming here to moan and whine. I was trying to suggest a better user experience. I will do some reading about the sym links. Where is that path.dat file I check the root install folder and wasn't able to find the file? Any hint on where to find the file and some docuemntation about using it and what I can do with it?
Wed 26 Feb 2020 4:43 PM by romulus
Hi! Sorry, just now getting back around to this!
Paths.dat is a text file that you create yourself. You can read more about the details of this file and what it is used for here (2nd-to-last post):
http://www.postcount.net/forum/showthread.php?196470-Need-help-locating-daoc-files

Your solution sounds more or less what I ended up doing for my installation, except I just created a pair of batch files that delete and re-create sym-links to the appropriate installation and data directories. Then I run the batch (which also launches the Phoenix launcher). It looks something like this (but not exactly, sorry at work atm and I don't have access to the actual files):

Launch_Live.bat
-----------------------
rmdir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" /s /q
rmdir "%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" /s /q
mklink /d "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" "c:\Games\DAOC\Live_Prog"
mklink /d "c:\%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" "c:\Games\DAOC\Live_Data"
start "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\camelot.exe"

Launch_Phoenix.bat
-----------------------------
rmdir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" /s /q
rmdir "%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" /s /q
mklink /d "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" "c:\Games\DAOC\Phoenix_Prog"
mklink /d "c:\%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" "c:\Games\DAOC\Phoenix_Data"
start "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\phoenix.exe"

For full disclosure, I only played Live briefly and have since reverted back to just having a single installation of DAoC and don't use this approach any longer, though it did work well for me when I was switching back and forth.

Hopefully that helps!
:hugs:
Wed 26 Feb 2020 5:41 PM by querbeet
romulus wrote:
Wed 26 Feb 2020 4:43 PM
Hi! Sorry, just now getting back around to this!
Paths.dat is a text file that you create yourself. You can read more about the details of this file and what it is used for here (2nd-to-last post):
http://www.postcount.net/forum/showthread.php?196470-Need-help-locating-daoc-files

Your solution sounds more or less what I ended up doing for my installation, except I just created a pair of batch files that delete and re-create sym-links to the appropriate installation and data directories. Then I run the batch (which also launches the Phoenix launcher). It looks something like this (but not exactly, sorry at work atm and I don't have access to the actual files):

Launch_Live.bat
-----------------------
rmdir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" /s /q
rmdir "%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" /s /q
mklink /d "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" "c:\Games\DAOC\Live_Prog"
mklink /d "c:\%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" "c:\Games\DAOC\Live_Data"
start "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\camelot.exe"

Launch_Phoenix.bat
-----------------------------
rmdir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" /s /q
rmdir "%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" /s /q
mklink /d "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot" "c:\Games\DAOC\Phoenix_Prog"
mklink /d "c:\%AppData%\Roaming\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\LotM" "c:\Games\DAOC\Phoenix_Data"
start "c:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\phoenix.exe"

For full disclosure, I only played Live briefly and have since reverted back to just having a single installation of DAoC and don't use this approach any longer, though it did work well for me when I was switching back and forth.

Hopefully that helps!
:hugs:

Thank you, good Sir!
Fri 28 Feb 2020 3:15 PM by querbeet
I found details for the path.dat file. very nice way of solving this problem. Maybe it helps a few others as well! That said I still use romulus' way of doing this.

Source: https://www.ignboards.com/threads/guide-multiple-clients-different-settings-one-pc.250247285/#post-367921943


From the Herald:

"USER SETTINGS CHANGES

Running two instances of the same client with different user settings

Now that the user.dat file, the character .ini, and .ign files all are saved in the same client folder, users will have the same settings for two instances of the same client. There is a work around for those players who would like to run two instances of the same client with different user settings. Instructions follow:

1. Create a paths.dat folder, using a text editor such as notepad, in your game?s root directory (the directory where the game?s executable file exists).

2. In the file put the following:

[paths]
settings=Config1

3. Login to your first client

4. Edit paths.dat to the following

[paths]
settings=Config2

5. Login to your second client.

Now your two clients will use different paths to read and write to user.dat and all the character .ini and .ign files for the duration of the time that these instances stay opened.

Note: You will need to repeat this process each time you want to launch two instances of the same client with different user settings. The client will always use the folder name that is currently set in paths.dat prior to launching."


Create batch files and shortcuts to switch user settings

You can make changing a bit easer by creating a batch file that changes from one [paths] setting to another. That way you open the first version, click the batch shortcut for changing the [paths] and click the daoc icon again to open the second game window.


If you want to create the batch files that will switch back and forth so that you can easily switch from user 1 settings to user 2 settings, I put down some instructions that may seem complex but are actually very easy.


The following may be kind of a round about way of doing it but I wanted it to be fairly easy and step-by-step. Perhaps others will come up with a better way and post it.


To create the batch files you will need to use the text editor rather than notepad. The text editor can easily save files in *.dat or *.bat format.

You will need to know the location of your game folder. It can be different for different people but you will need to save the files in the DAoC game directory and you will need the string identifying the game location for use in the *.bat files you will create.

Example of a game file location:
C:\Mythic\Labyrinth_beta (I never changed my folder location or folder name from way back during the beta)
Or your location could be
C:\Program Files\Mythic\LotM
Or perhaps
D:\Mythic\Labyrinth
Etc . . .


Once you know your game folder location, write it down and then go to the START/RUN and in the little box type edit and select OK.

A window will open, it will be like an old DOS text editor (because that is what it is).

Type:

Echo off
Xcopy (single space here) <your game folder location>\1paths.dat (single space here)<your game folder location>\paths.dat
Exit

For me I would type

Echo off
Xcopy C:\Mythic\Labyrinth_beta\1paths.dat C:\Mythic\Labryinth_beta\paths.dat
Exit


At the top of the editor select FILE / SAVE then on the save screen type:
<your game folder location followed by>\user1.bat

For me it would look like this:
C:\Mythic\Labyrinth_beta\user1.bat

After you save the file the text editor should still be open. To create the next file all you need to do is to change what you typed in the text editor from 1paths.dat to 2paths.dat (you should not need to type it all in again. Just change the 1 to a 2)

So the new text will look like:

Echo off
Xcopy C:\Mythic\Labyrinth_beta\2paths.dat C:\Mythic\Labryinth_beta\paths.dat
Exit

and select FILE / SAVE AS


In the save selection it should already have the old file name and location so just change the file name

user1.bat
to
user2.bat

and SAVE it.

To create the .dat files.

Don't close the text editor, just clear all the text in the text editor and type the following:

[paths]
settings=Config1

save it by selecting FILE / SAVE AS and in the file name save it as 1paths.dat (The save location for your game folder should still be the LotM game folder but make sure the location it is saving to is still the DAoC Labyrinth game folder.)

Now in the same text editor change the

=Config1
to
=Config2

The new text should look like this:

[paths]
settings=Config2

Select FILE / SAVE AS and change the file name to 2paths.dat (make sure the location it is saving to is still the DAoC Labyrinth game folder.)


Select FILE / EXIT

Create the short cuts on the desktop

To create shortcuts to the desk top, open the folder where the LotM game is (use the window button in the upper right so that the game folder is not full frame). Find the user1.bat file. RIGHT CLICK the file and while holding down the right button, drag the user1.bat file to the desktop. Select CREATE SHORTCUT HERE. After the shortcut is created you can change the name to what ever you want.

To create a shortcut on the desktop for the user2.bat file just RIGHT CLICK the user2.bat file and drag it to the desktop and select CREATE SHORTCUT HERE.



Now you should have the following files created in your game folder
1paths.dat
2paths.dat
user1.bat
user2.bat

and on the desktop there should be 2 new shortcuts called

user1
user2

The first time you run one of the shortcuts (user1 or user2) a window will pop up asking if you want a FILE or DIRECTORY . . . select F for FILE and the paths.dat file will be created.

Once the paths.dat file is created, every time you select one of the short cuts (user1 or user2) a window will pop up asking if you want to over write the existing paths.dat file . . . just hit the Y key for YES.



Now you can start the game by hitting the shortcut for user1 and then open the LotM game.

Shrink the game window and select the user2 shortcut and then open your second version of the LotM game.

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