Azrael wrote: Yes, usually all 8man are doing this. If you add their fight they switch and fight the adding 3rd party.
I don’t care where it’s done, when you disengage the enemy and let them kill your realmmates it is against the spirit of the gameAmser wrote: ↑Mon 13 Jan 2020 11:09 PMAzrael wrote: Yes, usually all 8man are doing this. If you add their fight they switch and fight the adding 3rd party.
What he said. All 3 realm's 8 mans do it.
8v8's have decided they are kings/queens of the frontier and have created their own rules of war. They have no issues adding (or running down) smallmen or solo's but heaven forbid you add their 8v8 "fairfights". I don't particularly have any issues with them doing this when it is done in more remote locations, but when you fight at the most clustered areas of beno/bled/crau (or task keeps) you should expect to be added. 100% of the time it has happened to me it was at those named locations.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Mon 13 Jan 2020 11:21 PMI don’t care where it’s done, when you disengage the enemy and let them kill your realmmates it is against the spirit of the gameAmser wrote: ↑Mon 13 Jan 2020 11:09 PMAzrael wrote: Yes, usually all 8man are doing this. If you add their fight they switch and fight the adding 3rd party.
What he said. All 3 realm's 8 mans do it.
8v8's have decided they are kings/queens of the frontier and have created their own rules of war. They have no issues adding (or running down) smallmen or solo's but heaven forbid you add their 8v8 "fairfights". I don't particularly have any issues with them doing this when it is done in more remote locations, but when you fight at the most clustered areas of beno/bled/crau (or task keeps) you should expect to be added. 100% of the time it has happened to me it was at those named locations.
I think they need a new gameatomico wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 10:08 AMThey are the ruin of this game.
They want fair-fight, but no problem to kill you if you are solo/smallmen.
They stay in active frontier and stop combat if you add them.
GO IN A DAMN ISOLATED FRONTIER if you want fair play, or go in EV.
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:19 PMl2p
zerg is killing the game
8 mans killing solos and smallies because solos and smallies constantly adding fights
just dont add and you get rewarded by not getting added yourself
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:28 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:19 PMl2p
zerg is killing the game
8 mans killing solos and smallies because solos and smallies constantly adding fights
just dont add and you get rewarded by not getting added yourself
That's really not the case, except in very few instances. 8mans add anything that's not another 8man, and they'll even add those if they feel like it. It doesn't matter if you've added in the past or not.
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:30 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:28 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:19 PMl2p
zerg is killing the game
8 mans killing solos and smallies because solos and smallies constantly adding fights
just dont add and you get rewarded by not getting added yourself
That's really not the case, except in very few instances. 8mans add anything that's not another 8man, and they'll even add those if they feel like it. It doesn't matter if you've added in the past or not.
serious 8 mans do not add
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:36 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:30 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:28 PMThat's really not the case, except in very few instances. 8mans add anything that's not another 8man, and they'll even add those if they feel like it. It doesn't matter if you've added in the past or not.
serious 8 mans do not add
If it's not an 8v8, yeah they do. Which is the problem with their way of thinking, you can add anything you want indiscriminately unless it's one of the other established 8mans and expect people to not add on you. I have been added on by just about everyone of the 8mans who are still around. So either there aren't any "serious" 8mans left or they're all full of shit.
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:19 PMl2p
zerg is killing the game
8 mans killing solos and smallies because solos and smallies constantly adding fights
just dont add and you get rewarded by not getting added yourself
Quik wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 10:40 PM
Just a question, but isn't a zerg more of a true RvR style of gameplay then 8v8 is?
1v1, 2v2, 4v4, 8v8 - basically fortnite/pubg with teams.
Zerg technically is DAoC since it is SUPPOSE to be RvRvR which means 3 realms against each other. Not you vs a specific other person and people getting upset about adds. Realm vs realm implies 1 army against another army and an army is basically a zerg of people.
Why do people feel like 1 group against another group is how DAoC was meant to be played? If that was the case there would be set arenas like ESO and not an open world fighting system meant for hundreds/thousands to fight each other.
Sorry but I go furtherSepplord wrote: ↑Mon 20 Jan 2020 2:15 PM
I agree i general, but i disagree on the complete freedom of playing how you want. There is a reason why griefplaying-rules exist. Because simply letting people do what they want always leads to some people "wanting to destroy the fun of others".
Imo, an 8man pulling off of a fight to let their realmmates die is borderline griefplaying WHEN it happens in LOS to a taskkeep for example. I just can't find any explanation why an 8man that wants to play by "those rules" would even BE near a taskkeep, let alone start a fight with another 8man there instead of running somewhere else (or just BEING Somewhere else in the first place). The only explanation is that they actually want these situations to happen and/or are even coordinating it.
When someone adds an 8vs8 in EV or another remote place, then they deserve getting killed while both previously fighting 8man do celebrating dance emotes on their corpsed before resetting/restarting their fight or going their own ways again.
It's not only 8mans though ofcourse. I have heard plenty of solos/smallmenpeople say stuff along the lines of: i will keep adding every 8vs8 they see. I don't care if they pull off and kil me, their fight is ruined anyways.
Both "offenses" are almost impossible to police though, so i understand why there's no official stance on it
Sepplord wrote: ↑Mon 20 Jan 2020 2:15 PMImo, an 8man pulling off of a fight to let their realmmates die is borderline griefplaying WHEN it happens in LOS to a taskkeep for example. I just can't find any explanation why an 8man that wants to play by "those rules" would even BE near a taskkeep, let alone start a fight with another 8man there instead of running somewhere else (or just BEING Somewhere else in the first place). The only explanation is that they actually want these situations to happen and/or are even coordinating it.
Inactas wrote: ↑Mon 20 Jan 2020 6:22 PMI just rerolled to alb after being gone for several months. Has this server basically turned into a few 8v8s and basically their underlings following the guidelines they set? Not that anyone cares about a single player coming or going, but I certainly don't want to play here if it's simply a controlled 8v8 fest, every server in the past has dwindled in population and went this route...and it never picks back up, it slowly decays the server in exchange for a handful of people's preferred DAoC style. Please tell me this is not the case so I don't continue to waste time here. I like 8v8 but I also enjoy every aspect of DAoC(Excluding 3 hours PvE raids.)
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:36 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:30 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Sat 18 Jan 2020 6:28 PMThat's really not the case, except in very few instances. 8mans add anything that's not another 8man, and they'll even add those if they feel like it. It doesn't matter if you've added in the past or not.
serious 8 mans do not add
If it's not an 8v8, yeah they do. Which is the problem with their way of thinking, you can add anything you want indiscriminately unless it's one of the other established 8mans and expect people to not add on you. I have been added on by just about everyone of the 8mans who are still around. So either there aren't any "serious" 8mans left or they're all full of shit.
Razur Ur wrote: ↑Tue 21 Jan 2020 8:09 AMIf i running solo in frontier zone, get i most time raped from 8vs8 groups :-/. i guess my celt champion is to sexy for some groups :-D
oldmanukko wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jan 2020 4:14 PM
oldmanukko wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jan 2020 4:14 PMlol, lol, lol...
"want respect? show respect!" (you can take that lesson out of daoc and apply it to real life, fyi)
this is a red-is-dead server. end of story. no discussion.
if your 8-man wants some respect, stop rolling small-man and solos.
your small-man wants respect for smallman-vs-smallman, stop rolling solo's.
until smallman can run around finding only small-vs-small fights, we will add your precious 8v8...
until i can run around solo finding 1v1 fights, i will always add on your precious 8v8 and small-vs-small.
we ALL take rps where we can find them.
it's really quite simple.
the ignorance of these posts blows me away.
if you still don't understand the complete and total hypocrisy here, let me put it this way..
"Group Leader: hey look, a solo running around.. this game is NOT for soloers. duh! they seriously need to find a group. kill them!!"
...moments later
"Group Leader: we are getting a clean 8v8, this is so fun!!!"
<8v8 turns to 9v8>
"Group Leader: omfg, what the F??!?!? it was all great until that solo added. why can't i get a clean 8v8 tonight?!?!?!"
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
This is a red is dead GAME.inoeth wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 8:46 AMoldmanukko wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jan 2020 4:14 PM... if you still don't understand the complete and total hypocrisy here, let me put it this way..
"Group Leader: hey look, a solo running around.. this game is NOT for soloers. duh! they seriously need to find a group. kill them!!"
...moments later
"Group Leader: we are getting a clean 8v8, this is so fun!!!"
<8v8 turns to 9v8>
"Group Leader: omfg, what the F??!?!? it was all great until that solo added. why can't i get a clean 8v8 tonight?!?!?!"
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
show me where anyone of the devs said this is a red is dead server!
fake news!
bigne88 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 3:57 PM8 men comunity is a really small percent of the server, don't forget this.
I, we, wathever, dont complain if we get added, we just disengage and clear the adders.
The few party that are on the /gvg toggle list never add a 1v1, 2v2 or wathever; of course if a soloer or a small men is on their way, they will kill it, but for sure they wont chase.
Though there are some 8 men party that wont join the /gvg toggle list and will hunt and add anything that moves...thous people are just playing the game with their friends without following any rule. Thous players are as casual as keeptakers/zergers but prefer to play in a more organized way without being hardcore 8 men.
The most important point tougn is that zergers/keeptakers nobs/casuals have massive RP bonuses and gains...8 men dosent have anything like that, thats why low-mid rank 8men party will kill anything on sight that gives RPs.
If 8v8 would give the same amount of Rps as keeptake is giving atm, trust me, noone of this 8men will be seeing again around docks.
opossum12 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 1:24 PMRed is dead is one philosophy, 8v8 is another, solo is another, and so on.
watbrif wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 4:15 PMopossum12 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 1:24 PMRed is dead is one philosophy, 8v8 is another, solo is another, and so on.
I think we all know that these "philosophies" don't coexist, because "Red is dead" is incompatible with 8vs8 etc. But, as has been pointed out, the way the game mechanics are the designed (i.e. no penalties for adding, no penalties for killing greys) mean "red is dead" is the default mode - and most people play this way (because most people want to have fun, get some rps and don't want to turn this game into some e-sports competition). I'm all for respecting people's different ways, but there's no right to enforce a certain "philosophy" EXCEPT "red is dead" (you can't walk out on your realm mates if they disturb your 8vs8).
opossum12 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 5:29 PMwatbrif wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 4:15 PMopossum12 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 1:24 PMRed is dead is one philosophy, 8v8 is another, solo is another, and so on.
I think we all know that these "philosophies" don't coexist, because "Red is dead" is incompatible with 8vs8 etc. But, as has been pointed out, the way the game mechanics are the designed (i.e. no penalties for adding, no penalties for killing greys) mean "red is dead" is the default mode - and most people play this way (because most people want to have fun, get some rps and don't want to turn this game into some e-sports competition). I'm all for respecting people's different ways, but there's no right to enforce a certain "philosophy" EXCEPT "red is dead" (you can't walk out on your realm mates if they disturb your 8vs8).
What is the /fairfight command then? You get bonus RPs when you get a clean 8v8 that didn't get jammed. That was implemented by the devs, so I'd say the devs are smart enough to identify that multiple play styles can co-exist.
I don't understand why nothing except red is dead should co-exist. I have fun playing the game in a specific way, and you do too. If you decide to add on fights and that people don't like it and let their oponents turn on you, then you have the choice to
-bring more people
-take note of the names and don't do it again
You can keep doing red is dead, that's fine. But you can't force your style on others, because apparently the devs also thought that people that like clean even fights could play on phoenix too.
watbrif wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 6:19 PMWell, "our" devs are not the ones who originally designed the game, so introducing the gvg command etc. was basically like putting a plaster on a head wound. The only thing that would put 8vs8 on an equal footing would be handing out penalties for adding. Only THEN would 8vs8 be equal to "red is dead". Until that happens you can't blame other people for playing the game in the way they want to (i.e. killing anyone who is not from their realm). The same counts for killing greys (which is equally frustrating). Again, I get your point and I also try to to leave 1 on 1 fights and other group encounters alone (and always spare greys...). But, right now and since the beginning of DAoC time, adding has been encouraged through the game mechanics (rp rewards) and killing greys has been tolerated (because it's not penalised). And that's still the status quo...
Lux.Thoras wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 6:58 PMwatbrif wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 6:19 PMWell, "our" devs are not the ones who originally designed the game, so introducing the gvg command etc. was basically like putting a plaster on a head wound. The only thing that would put 8vs8 on an equal footing would be handing out penalties for adding. Only THEN would 8vs8 be equal to "red is dead". Until that happens you can't blame other people for playing the game in the way they want to (i.e. killing anyone who is not from their realm). The same counts for killing greys (which is equally frustrating). Again, I get your point and I also try to to leave 1 on 1 fights and other group encounters alone (and always spare greys...). But, right now and since the beginning of DAoC time, adding has been encouraged through the game mechanics (rp rewards) and killing greys has been tolerated (because it's not penalised). And that's still the status quo...
Question to your argumentation, what is the group size in the game ?
64 ?
128?
256?
From your point of argumentation i can say, as long as this is not the case, the game is not designed for more than 8 persons.
Also don´t come with an BattleGroup, because a Battlegroup does not bring any benefit in RvR.
How someone think about the game, is his decision. It is not the decision of others how he has to see it.
When you buy a Porsche, you don't always have to drive 300 km / h, do you? Just because Porsche designed the car for up to 300.
.... The 8-men group size is pretty much an industry standard for PvE, in RvR on the other hand - and the clue is in the name - the Realm IS your group (so to say). Again, if Mythic had thought otherwise, they would have actively discouraged RvR-think and zerging (aka what makes RvR battles "epic" and getting RPs easy). 8vs8 is still possible of course, but all I'm saying is that 95% of the population play differently (because of the way the game mechanics work etc.) and this is something that the 8vs8 niche has to come to terms with (the way I've arranged myself with getting mowed down when running to the dockmaster for handing in rewards...) . If you really insist on group fights you must play a game where BG zerging is not possible/encouraged.
watbrif wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 6:19 PMopossum12 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 5:29 PMwatbrif wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 4:15 PMI think we all know that these "philosophies" don't coexist, because "Red is dead" is incompatible with 8vs8 etc. But, as has been pointed out, the way the game mechanics are the designed (i.e. no penalties for adding, no penalties for killing greys) mean "red is dead" is the default mode - and most people play this way (because most people want to have fun, get some rps and don't want to turn this game into some e-sports competition). I'm all for respecting people's different ways, but there's no right to enforce a certain "philosophy" EXCEPT "red is dead" (you can't walk out on your realm mates if they disturb your 8vs8).
What is the /fairfight command then? You get bonus RPs when you get a clean 8v8 that didn't get jammed. That was implemented by the devs, so I'd say the devs are smart enough to identify that multiple play styles can co-exist.
I don't understand why nothing except red is dead should co-exist. I have fun playing the game in a specific way, and you do too. If you decide to add on fights and that people don't like it and let their oponents turn on you, then you have the choice to
-bring more people
-take note of the names and don't do it again
You can keep doing red is dead, that's fine. But you can't force your style on others, because apparently the devs also thought that people that like clean even fights could play on phoenix too.
Well, "our" devs are not the ones who originally designed the game, so introducing the gvg command etc. was basically like putting a plaster on a head wound. The only thing that would put 8vs8 on an equal footing would be handing out penalties for adding. Only THEN would 8vs8 be equal to "red is dead". Until that happens you can't blame other people for playing the game in the way they want to (i.e. killing anyone who is not from their realm). The same counts for killing greys (which is equally frustrating). Again, I get your point and I also try to to leave 1 on 1 fights and other group encounters alone (and always spare greys...). But, right now and since the beginning of DAoC time, adding has been encouraged through the game mechanics (rp rewards) and killing greys has been tolerated (because it's not penalised). And that's still the status quo...
watbrif wrote: If RvR was designed for 8-men groups, why are we fighting for keeps
bigne88 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jan 2020 8:56 PMThe funny thing is that you all are talking about the behaviour of a minimum fraction of the population.
Lux.Thoras wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 9:01 AMFor me, the Realm starts with 1 Person, because he is part of the Realm and how he wants to represent HIS Realm in the Realm vs. Realm Battle, it is HIS decision and not the one of anybody else. Same is valid for Smallmen, 8Men, Zergs and anything else. Also accept the others' decision and don't complain about their playing style. This should be valid for all.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 4:53 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
You basically just described people who have known each other for years, playing different realms, who pull off a fight with each other to let their realm mates die. And you really can't see how that would frustrate other people who are not part of their accepted group of other players they've been doing this crap with for years?
opossum12 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 5:40 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 4:53 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
You basically just described people who have known each other for years, playing different realms, who pull off a fight with each other to let their realm mates die. And you really can't see how that would frustrate other people who are not part of their accepted group of other players they've been doing this crap with for years?
I think everybody understands that it is frustrating for the person that added the fight to be left to die. But that person learned a lesson and can:
- come back with more people
- learn the names and expect this to happen.
I think it is as frustrating for people that add to see their realm mates stop fighting and let them die as it is for the realm mates to have a fun fight ruined by an adding realm mate.
Red is dead is not universal, it is one way to play the game. You just have to understand that not everybody likes to play that way.
opossum12 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 5:40 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 4:53 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
You basically just described people who have known each other for years, playing different realms, who pull off a fight with each other to let their realm mates die. And you really can't see how that would frustrate other people who are not part of their accepted group of other players they've been doing this crap with for years?
I think everybody understands that it is frustrating for the person that added the fight to be left to die. But that person learned a lesson and can:
- come back with more people
- learn the names and expect this to happen.
I think it is as frustrating for people that add to see their realm mates stop fighting and let them die as it is for the realm mates to have a fun fight ruined by an adding realm mate.
Red is dead is not universal, it is one way to play the game. You just have to understand that not everybody likes to play that way.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
Wolfir666 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 8:20 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
Jelly about people that kill solos and smallmen with ease, that kill random groups with ease, that whine when being killed by a zerg, and that run away, if what they call "fair fight" is not followed in their little world?
No, not really.. but you can continue to think that living on in your little lovely dream world, with just you and yourself and these little group of people you know for years :p
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 8:36 PMWolfir666 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 8:20 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
Jelly about people that kill solos and smallmen with ease, that kill random groups with ease, that whine when being killed by a zerg, and that run away, if what they call "fair fight" is not followed in their little world?
No, not really.. but you can continue to think that living on in your little lovely dream world, with just you and yourself and these little group of people you know for years :p
Exactly, those same 8mans will add small man fights and 1v1s all day. Even some 8mans who aren't a member of their little community. I have no issue with people not wanting adds on their fights, in fact I don't add fights myself. I have more of an issue with the hypocrisy that these people exhibit. I can probably count on one hand the number of times that my fights have been left alone when one of these leet 8mans see it.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:19 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 8:36 PMWolfir666 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 8:20 PMJelly about people that kill solos and smallmen with ease, that kill random groups with ease, that whine when being killed by a zerg, and that run away, if what they call "fair fight" is not followed in their little world?
No, not really.. but you can continue to think that living on in your little lovely dream world, with just you and yourself and these little group of people you know for years :p
Exactly, those same 8mans will add small man fights and 1v1s all day. Even some 8mans who aren't a member of their little community. I have no issue with people not wanting adds on their fights, in fact I don't add fights myself. I have more of an issue with the hypocrisy that these people exhibit. I can probably count on one hand the number of times that my fights have been left alone when one of these leet 8mans see it.
I can count on one hand the number of 8 men party outside during primetime.
How thous few players can turn you on like this?
Plus I dont see thous players venting here on the forum about getting zerged or added. Amirite?
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:19 PMI can count on one hand the number of 8 men party outside during primetime.
[..]
or added.
Wolfir666 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 11:12 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:19 PMI can count on one hand the number of 8 men party outside during primetime.
[..]
or added.
Oh, i thought every party can contain up to 8 men.. or are you just talking about the friends you know and like to fight against with your 8man?
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:42 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:19 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 8:36 PMExactly, those same 8mans will add small man fights and 1v1s all day. Even some 8mans who aren't a member of their little community. I have no issue with people not wanting adds on their fights, in fact I don't add fights myself. I have more of an issue with the hypocrisy that these people exhibit. I can probably count on one hand the number of times that my fights have been left alone when one of these leet 8mans see it.
I can count on one hand the number of 8 men party outside during primetime.
How thous few players can turn you on like this?
Plus I dont see thous players venting here on the forum about getting zerged or added. Amirite?
There are numerous posts on this forum with people complaining about being added, and a few in this actual thread. I don't get the other points you bring up though, sorry.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 11:50 PMForlornhope wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:42 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 10:19 PMI can count on one hand the number of 8 men party outside during primetime.
How thous few players can turn you on like this?
Plus I dont see thous players venting here on the forum about getting zerged or added. Amirite?
There are numerous posts on this forum with people complaining about being added, and a few in this actual thread. I don't get the other points you bring up though, sorry.
Dude, 8 men players solved the adding problem pulling off and killing adders.
No complains.
Btw I find miserable thous people that are hiding their lack of skill and party cohoordination behind the "red is dead, we should all band together to zerg the enemy".
If you are adding an ongoing party and die in the proces, it means that you played poorly and should aim on improving yourself instead of blaming your realm mates that were brave enough to fight the enemies by themself.
I don't wanna be rude, but there is nothing to moan about if you die against a stronger enemy.
A competitive minded person would think "i gotta improve so i can deafeat them". A lazy ass will think "next time i will bring more friends".
Both ways works, just accept your defeat and dont moan, release and come back.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 12:54 AMAllowing realm mates to die goes against the spirit of the game. Those who think otherwise are selfish deniers
Noopossum12 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 1:05 AMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 12:54 AMAllowing realm mates to die goes against the spirit of the game. Those who think otherwise are selfish deniers
Onstill don't understand why people are trying tonwin the argument? You want people that pull off fights when added to be banned?
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 1:24 AMThough it probably is not going to occur, I want them to treat them as allies and kill the enemy and HOPE that in future they get clean fights. If they do, so be it and more power to them. Realm mates should be higher priority than their precious “even” fights
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 1:24 AMNoopossum12 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 1:05 AMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 12:54 AMAllowing realm mates to die goes against the spirit of the game. Those who think otherwise are selfish deniers
Onstill don't understand why people are trying tonwin the argument? You want people that pull off fights when added to be banned?
Though it probably is not going to occur, I want them to treat them as allies and kill the enemy and HOPE that in future they get clean fights. If they do, so be it and more power to them. Realm mates should be higher priority than their precious “even” fights
Lux.Thoras wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 8:30 AMI bet my butt that everyone who whines about pulling out of the fight and let others die, is doing the same thing.
When you see a smallmen being jumped by an 8men, most run away instead of helping the smallmen.
That's exactly the same, because actually, Red is Dead and you have to do it.
This 2 class mentality here is so crazy. Always judge and judge others, but never start with yourself.
Wolfir666 wrote: Edit:
And there is the difference:
1) You run away to avoid losing, thus strengthening the realm with not granting the enemy too much RP and coming back in larger numbers, to beat the enemies up.
2) You run away to avoid winning, thus letting your realm-mates die and thus strenghtening the enemy realm with granting them the RP and not to your own realm.
Griefing??!!!!bigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 7:58 PMRed is dead? Reasonable
People adding against or with you stealing your fun, RP and glory? Frustrating.
I'm an average member of the 8v8 comunity and for me adding is a form of griefing.
The people adding are thinking between themself "mmm easy RP to be made! Lets grief on thous reds without any kind of effort!"
8 men players like me are putting a lot of effort to improve their skills, change party meta, cultivating friendship to form a party with nice and good people.
I have, as most of people playing daoc, since we are all above 30+, limited time to play and I will do my best to enjoy every moment of this hobby and if people are trying to grief my way of having fun, well, yea, I will pull off, focus the adders and respect other's 8v8 and 1v1 as well, because I'm sure that the guy playing from another part of the world is trying to enjoy his time as well, so he will keep logging and play with/against me.
Thia is, for me, the sportmanship. Respect each other's time invested in this hobby.
You wanna big fights and kill everything that moves? Join a BG and enjoy! Easy as fuck
bigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 7:58 PMI'm an average member of the 8v8 comunity and for me adding is a form of griefing.
The people adding are thinking between themself "mmm easy RP to be made! Lets grief on thous reds without any kind of effort!"
bigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 7:58 PMRed is dead? Reasonable
People adding against or with you stealing your fun, RP and glory? Frustrating.
I'm an average member of the 8v8 comunity and for me adding is a form of griefing.
The people adding are thinking between themself "mmm easy RP to be made! Lets grief on thous reds without any kind of effort!"
8 men players like me are putting a lot of effort to improve their skills, change party meta, cultivating friendship to form a party with nice and good people.
I have, as most of people playing daoc, since we are all above 30+, limited time to play and I will do my best to enjoy every moment of this hobby and if people are trying to grief my way of having fun, well, yea, I will pull off, focus the adders and respect other's 8v8 and 1v1 as well, because I'm sure that the guy playing from another part of the world is trying to enjoy his time as well, so he will keep logging and play with/against me.
Thia is, for me, the sportmanship. Respect each other's time invested in this hobby.
You wanna big fights and kill everything that moves? Join a BG and enjoy! Easy as fuck
Wolfir666 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 10:43 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 7:58 PMI'm an average member of the 8v8 comunity and for me adding is a form of griefing.
The people adding are thinking between themself "mmm easy RP to be made! Lets grief on thous reds without any kind of effort!"
I see...
So helping a Realm-Mate against the enemy Realm is griefing.
And not helping a realm-mate against the enemy realm is sportmanship.
Yes.. makes perfect sense.. dream on.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 11:28 PMWolfir666 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 10:43 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 7:58 PMI'm an average member of the 8v8 comunity and for me adding is a form of griefing.
The people adding are thinking between themself "mmm easy RP to be made! Lets grief on thous reds without any kind of effort!"
I see...
So helping a Realm-Mate against the enemy Realm is griefing.
And not helping a realm-mate against the enemy realm is sportmanship.
Yes.. makes perfect sense.. dream on.
Who says your realm mates needs help?
I prefer dying after a long and hard fight instead of winning an eazymode one. Call me egoist, but I dont wanna share my hard earned RPs and fun with a random griefer passing trough.
Riac wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 11:30 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 11:28 PMWolfir666 wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jan 2020 10:43 PMI see...
So helping a Realm-Mate against the enemy Realm is griefing.
And not helping a realm-mate against the enemy realm is sportmanship.
Yes.. makes perfect sense.. dream on.
Who says your realm mates needs help?
I prefer dying after a long and hard fight instead of winning an eazymode one. Call me egoist, but I dont wanna share my hard earned RPs and fun with a random griefer passing trough.
one of my favorite things in the world is when someone adds on my 1v1 and i just run away and my realm mate, with all his sportsmanship, gets his dumbass whipped lol.
then i dont even finish the kill to give them rps. i love that sooooo much.
bigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
Sepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 8:50 AMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
This is really a heavy misrepresentation on the situation. It's also quite ironic you claim they can control the situation despite being outnumbered...because why does the other group pull off then? They are, apparently, NOT able to deal with it. So they rely on the rest of their enemies pulling off so they can fight 8vs 2-6. It is never the group that is about to lose that pulls of.
If they know each other so well, why are they initiating fights at docks/portkeeps? Wouldn't it be really easy to roam far away zones and EV? With the bonus that there would be very few adds? This question always gets dodged.
When our smallmen sees another smallman near docks, we run somewhere else before fighting. Why is that not possible for the 8men that are so skilled, coordinated AND know each other for years? The reason is, because the 8men mainly are looking to farm RPs. It would be stupid easy to have one clean 8vs8 after another in a remote area. But that doesn't give that feeling of superiority.
Sepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 8:50 AMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
This is really a heavy misrepresentation on the situation. It's also quite ironic you claim they can control the situation despite being outnumbered...because why does the other group pull off then? They are, apparently, NOT able to deal with it. So they rely on the rest of their enemies pulling off so they can fight 8vs 2-6. It is never the group that is about to lose that pulls of.
If they know each other so well, why are they initiating fights at docks/portkeeps? Wouldn't it be really easy to roam far away zones and EV? With the bonus that there would be very few adds? This question always gets dodged.
When our smallmen sees another smallman near docks, we run somewhere else before fighting. Why is that not possible for the 8men that are so skilled, coordinated AND know each other for years? The reason is, because the 8men mainly are looking to farm RPs. It would be stupid easy to have one clean 8vs8 after another in a remote area. But that doesn't give that feeling of superiority.
opossum12 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 1:40 PMSepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 8:50 AMbigne88 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jan 2020 12:40 PMI think that most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added.
If thous cohordinated players understand that they cant win what shall they do? Stay and die or pull out and give the other 8 men honorable party a chance to faight again later in a fair situation?
8 men comunity is small and knows each other from years and fought each other on different servers on different realms. After years and years of knowing each other it came out a nice sportmanship that to neophites can seems lime elitarism circlejerkimg.
This is really a heavy misrepresentation on the situation. It's also quite ironic you claim they can control the situation despite being outnumbered...because why does the other group pull off then? They are, apparently, NOT able to deal with it. So they rely on the rest of their enemies pulling off so they can fight 8vs 2-6. It is never the group that is about to lose that pulls of.
If they know each other so well, why are they initiating fights at docks/portkeeps? Wouldn't it be really easy to roam far away zones and EV? With the bonus that there would be very few adds? This question always gets dodged.
When our smallmen sees another smallman near docks, we run somewhere else before fighting. Why is that not possible for the 8men that are so skilled, coordinated AND know each other for years? The reason is, because the 8men mainly are looking to farm RPs. It would be stupid easy to have one clean 8vs8 after another in a remote area. But that doesn't give that feeling of superiority.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say in the first part. Usually, an 8v8 that gets added goes like this :
- Fight starts as 8v8.
- One group starts getting the upper hand on the other group
- A smallman adds one of the two groups.
- The group that now has the numbers advantage usually sees that their opponents have adds
- They pull off and let them deal with the adds.
- When pulling off, if they were losing they take the opportunity to rez-rebuff and regen. If they were winning they just wait.
- Once the adds have been taken care of, the groups will usually let the other rez/rebuff
- They can decide to either pull off and fight again in 2-3 minutes, or they just go at it again.
So it's not about who's losing pulls off or whatever.
Sepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:25 PMopossum12 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 1:40 PMSepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 8:50 AMThis is really a heavy misrepresentation on the situation. It's also quite ironic you claim they can control the situation despite being outnumbered...because why does the other group pull off then? They are, apparently, NOT able to deal with it. So they rely on the rest of their enemies pulling off so they can fight 8vs 2-6. It is never the group that is about to lose that pulls of.
If they know each other so well, why are they initiating fights at docks/portkeeps? Wouldn't it be really easy to roam far away zones and EV? With the bonus that there would be very few adds? This question always gets dodged.
When our smallmen sees another smallman near docks, we run somewhere else before fighting. Why is that not possible for the 8men that are so skilled, coordinated AND know each other for years? The reason is, because the 8men mainly are looking to farm RPs. It would be stupid easy to have one clean 8vs8 after another in a remote area. But that doesn't give that feeling of superiority.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say in the first part. Usually, an 8v8 that gets added goes like this :
- Fight starts as 8v8.
- One group starts getting the upper hand on the other group
- A smallman adds one of the two groups.
- The group that now has the numbers advantage usually sees that their opponents have adds
- They pull off and let them deal with the adds.
- When pulling off, if they were losing they take the opportunity to rez-rebuff and regen. If they were winning they just wait.
- Once the adds have been taken care of, the groups will usually let the other rez/rebuff
- They can decide to either pull off and fight again in 2-3 minutes, or they just go at it again.
So it's not about who's losing pulls off or whatever.
Exactly the point i was making. It was in direct response to the previous comment i quoted in the response and now in this reply for easier acces. Bigne88 makes a few claims there that are utterly ridicolous. The two biggest ones were which i adressed:
a) That "most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added" (obvioulsy they don't otherwise noone would have to pull off...seems like we agree here that the claim is ridiculous)
b) That the decision the group has to make is between "Stay and die or pull out" which is also just misleading since the group that does the pulling out, is NOT the group that's about to lose. The decision is "fight and zerg my friends that i randomly met on the highway for a chilled fight between just us" or "pull out and let my friends farm another batch of random soloers. Mostly soloers that they have been farming for the last ten minutes not letting them to their dock. They went into hiding after getting farmed a lot and are now coming out again because they think we will help against the enemies...teehee suckers"
We can sugarcoat it more, but in the end it's a dickmove. No matter how you turn it. When you run your 8man around the docks and farm smallmen/solos, then you are not looking for cleanfights. Any good 8man will without problem kill loads and loads of soloers/smallmen at a dock. The chance that none of them will add an 8vs8 is basically zero. So any 8-men trying to cleanfight at docks/portkeeps is either not as smart as they claim (unlikely...i bet they are all aware) or they are intentionally starting the fight knowing that they will have to pull off and "let the other group defend themselves" *cough cough*
Most of the argument isn’t about focusing on an enemy add. But about leaving a realm mate to diebigne88 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 10:45 PMSepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:25 PMopossum12 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 1:40 PMI'm not sure what you are trying to say in the first part. Usually, an 8v8 that gets added goes like this :
- Fight starts as 8v8.
- One group starts getting the upper hand on the other group
- A smallman adds one of the two groups.
- The group that now has the numbers advantage usually sees that their opponents have adds
- They pull off and let them deal with the adds.
- When pulling off, if they were losing they take the opportunity to rez-rebuff and regen. If they were winning they just wait.
- Once the adds have been taken care of, the groups will usually let the other rez/rebuff
- They can decide to either pull off and fight again in 2-3 minutes, or they just go at it again.
So it's not about who's losing pulls off or whatever.
Exactly the point i was making. It was in direct response to the previous comment i quoted in the response and now in this reply for easier acces. Bigne88 makes a few claims there that are utterly ridicolous. The two biggest ones were which i adressed:
a) That "most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added" (obvioulsy they don't otherwise noone would have to pull off...seems like we agree here that the claim is ridiculous)
b) That the decision the group has to make is between "Stay and die or pull out" which is also just misleading since the group that does the pulling out, is NOT the group that's about to lose. The decision is "fight and zerg my friends that i randomly met on the highway for a chilled fight between just us" or "pull out and let my friends farm another batch of random soloers. Mostly soloers that they have been farming for the last ten minutes not letting them to their dock. They went into hiding after getting farmed a lot and are now coming out again because they think we will help against the enemies...teehee suckers"
We can sugarcoat it more, but in the end it's a dickmove. No matter how you turn it. When you run your 8man around the docks and farm smallmen/solos, then you are not looking for cleanfights. Any good 8man will without problem kill loads and loads of soloers/smallmen at a dock. The chance that none of them will add an 8vs8 is basically zero. So any 8-men trying to cleanfight at docks/portkeeps is either not as smart as they claim (unlikely...i bet they are all aware) or they are intentionally starting the fight knowing that they will have to pull off and "let the other group defend themselves" *cough cough*
Sorry m8, no offence, but you really have no idea of what you are talking about because you have zero experience in 8v8.
Listen this: soloers, shitty useless stealthers, small men, full group and zergs have 100% rights and freedom to add an 8v8, ok?
Otherhand 8v8 players have the freedom to react to this adders in any possible way.
You have the freedom to add me? SURE, but I have the freedom to pull off or focus on you.
Cmon man, aint hard to understand! You cant come here and teach me how to play daoc right or wrong. I have the freedom to pull off anytime I want and focus the target that I please the most.
If a scout pops and start adding my fight, I have the freedom to insta collapse on him, pulling off fight, and delete him. I wont stand still and letting him greefing on me.
I know that my english is awfull, but it shouldnt be hard to understand. Unless you are a stealther player...this would explain a lot.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 11:25 PMMost of the argument isn’t about focusing on an enemy add. But about leaving a realm mate to diebigne88 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 10:45 PMSepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:25 PMExactly the point i was making. It was in direct response to the previous comment i quoted in the response and now in this reply for easier acces. Bigne88 makes a few claims there that are utterly ridicolous. The two biggest ones were which i adressed:
a) That "most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added" (obvioulsy they don't otherwise noone would have to pull off...seems like we agree here that the claim is ridiculous)
b) That the decision the group has to make is between "Stay and die or pull out" which is also just misleading since the group that does the pulling out, is NOT the group that's about to lose. The decision is "fight and zerg my friends that i randomly met on the highway for a chilled fight between just us" or "pull out and let my friends farm another batch of random soloers. Mostly soloers that they have been farming for the last ten minutes not letting them to their dock. They went into hiding after getting farmed a lot and are now coming out again because they think we will help against the enemies...teehee suckers"
We can sugarcoat it more, but in the end it's a dickmove. No matter how you turn it. When you run your 8man around the docks and farm smallmen/solos, then you are not looking for cleanfights. Any good 8man will without problem kill loads and loads of soloers/smallmen at a dock. The chance that none of them will add an 8vs8 is basically zero. So any 8-men trying to cleanfight at docks/portkeeps is either not as smart as they claim (unlikely...i bet they are all aware) or they are intentionally starting the fight knowing that they will have to pull off and "let the other group defend themselves" *cough cough*
Sorry m8, no offence, but you really have no idea of what you are talking about because you have zero experience in 8v8.
Listen this: soloers, shitty useless stealthers, small men, full group and zergs have 100% rights and freedom to add an 8v8, ok?
Otherhand 8v8 players have the freedom to react to this adders in any possible way.
You have the freedom to add me? SURE, but I have the freedom to pull off or focus on you.
Cmon man, aint hard to understand! You cant come here and teach me how to play daoc right or wrong. I have the freedom to pull off anytime I want and focus the target that I please the most.
If a scout pops and start adding my fight, I have the freedom to insta collapse on him, pulling off fight, and delete him. I wont stand still and letting him greefing on me.
I know that my english is awfull, but it shouldnt be hard to understand. Unless you are a stealther player...this would explain a lot.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 11:25 PMMost of the argument isn’t about focusing on an enemy add. But about leaving a realm mate to diebigne88 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 10:45 PMSepplord wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:25 PMExactly the point i was making. It was in direct response to the previous comment i quoted in the response and now in this reply for easier acces. Bigne88 makes a few claims there that are utterly ridicolous. The two biggest ones were which i adressed:
a) That "most people are jelly about this few 8v8 players who has the skill and ability to controll the situation when outnumberd or added" (obvioulsy they don't otherwise noone would have to pull off...seems like we agree here that the claim is ridiculous)
b) That the decision the group has to make is between "Stay and die or pull out" which is also just misleading since the group that does the pulling out, is NOT the group that's about to lose. The decision is "fight and zerg my friends that i randomly met on the highway for a chilled fight between just us" or "pull out and let my friends farm another batch of random soloers. Mostly soloers that they have been farming for the last ten minutes not letting them to their dock. They went into hiding after getting farmed a lot and are now coming out again because they think we will help against the enemies...teehee suckers"
We can sugarcoat it more, but in the end it's a dickmove. No matter how you turn it. When you run your 8man around the docks and farm smallmen/solos, then you are not looking for cleanfights. Any good 8man will without problem kill loads and loads of soloers/smallmen at a dock. The chance that none of them will add an 8vs8 is basically zero. So any 8-men trying to cleanfight at docks/portkeeps is either not as smart as they claim (unlikely...i bet they are all aware) or they are intentionally starting the fight knowing that they will have to pull off and "let the other group defend themselves" *cough cough*
Sorry m8, no offence, but you really have no idea of what you are talking about because you have zero experience in 8v8.
Listen this: soloers, shitty useless stealthers, small men, full group and zergs have 100% rights and freedom to add an 8v8, ok?
Otherhand 8v8 players have the freedom to react to this adders in any possible way.
You have the freedom to add me? SURE, but I have the freedom to pull off or focus on you.
Cmon man, aint hard to understand! You cant come here and teach me how to play daoc right or wrong. I have the freedom to pull off anytime I want and focus the target that I please the most.
If a scout pops and start adding my fight, I have the freedom to insta collapse on him, pulling off fight, and delete him. I wont stand still and letting him greefing on me.
I know that my english is awfull, but it shouldnt be hard to understand. Unless you are a stealther player...this would explain a lot.
Wowinoeth wrote: ↑Thu 30 Jan 2020 5:06 PMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 11:25 PMMost of the argument isn’t about focusing on an enemy add. But about leaving a realm mate to diebigne88 wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 10:45 PMSorry m8, no offence, but you really have no idea of what you are talking about because you have zero experience in 8v8.
Listen this: soloers, shitty useless stealthers, small men, full group and zergs have 100% rights and freedom to add an 8v8, ok?
Otherhand 8v8 players have the freedom to react to this adders in any possible way.
You have the freedom to add me? SURE, but I have the freedom to pull off or focus on you.
Cmon man, aint hard to understand! You cant come here and teach me how to play daoc right or wrong. I have the freedom to pull off anytime I want and focus the target that I please the most.
If a scout pops and start adding my fight, I have the freedom to insta collapse on him, pulling off fight, and delete him. I wont stand still and letting him greefing on me.
I know that my english is awfull, but it shouldnt be hard to understand. Unless you are a stealther player...this would explain a lot.
lol
be a dick, add fights, getting killed, be mad
if you have the freedom to add fights, ppl also have the freedom to not help greefing players!
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 2:39 AMWowinoeth wrote: ↑Thu 30 Jan 2020 5:06 PMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 11:25 PMMost of the argument isn’t about focusing on an enemy add. But about leaving a realm mate to die
lol
be a dick, add fights, getting killed, be mad
if you have the freedom to add fights, ppl also have the freedom to not help greefing players!
Your self centered mentality is mind boggling.
My bet... if the developers were able to somehow stop this practice they would. It’s just not possible. If we asked the game’s creator I’d bet he said your pathetic practice is against the spirit of the game.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 2:39 AMWowinoeth wrote: ↑Thu 30 Jan 2020 5:06 PMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Wed 29 Jan 2020 11:25 PMMost of the argument isn’t about focusing on an enemy add. But about leaving a realm mate to die
lol
be a dick, add fights, getting killed, be mad
if you have the freedom to add fights, ppl also have the freedom to not help greefing players!
Your self centered mentality is mind boggling.
My bet... if the developers were able to somehow stop this practice they would. It’s just not possible. If we asked the game’s creator I’d bet he said your pathetic practice is against the spirit of the game.
oldmanukko wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jan 2020 4:14 PM“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
lolmatron wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 8:06 AMoldmanukko wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jan 2020 4:14 PM“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
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Possibly the only thing that could improve the non-zerg quality of life on this server....
Doesnt matter how/why/where people add on others fights, if you are out in the FZs you have chosen to participated in RvR. Deal with it!
If you let realmmates die because they added or whatever, call it roleplay or tactics and its fine. Griefplay cannot really be applied since it's in the FZs, where it is simply "survival of the fitest".
Considering the problem at hand for these elite players....
Give these hardcore diehards another option other than running the docks and coasts?
## Why not make EV the only zone where you can use the GvG command, with a increase in bonus? Add a command for smallmans aswell, for another zone.. And throw the solos a bone aswell....
## 8v8, 5v5 and 1v1 Arenas could do, with a king of the hill type of ruleset - winner stays in the arena until defeated or won 10 in a row... And a shorter cooldown before beeing able to queue again, to allow other challengers the chance. And debuff those that rage quit or leave the arena, something like -95% rps for 5hours.
Worst part is that no one outside these setgrps/smallmen get a chance to compete, thats the nature of a 15+year old game. Some of these guys/girls have played as one unit for 10+ years. The best and simplest solution would be for these grps to get of thier highhorses and start rolling in PUGS, teaching and sharing playstyle and approach. THIS might increase the amount of random 8mans/smalls running around - which in-turn increases action in each department - could in the end reduce zerg numbers. But as it stands: you try to go out as 8man/smalls, and the only other grps you meet are rr10+ ones that have played for ages as one. This problem is nothing new, it plauges all the servers (freeshard or not)..
I would love to do pug 8v8 and be able to face-off with another pug. But as it is now it's difficult.. and time is short (cant spend 1h+ to setup grp only to be able to run afew times). The golden pug-8man-pre-ToA-days are loong gone.....
They changed that for all the whiners...and btw it has nothing to do with if your a dick to realmmates.bigne88 wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 7:16 AMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 2:39 AMWowinoeth wrote: ↑Thu 30 Jan 2020 5:06 PMlol
be a dick, add fights, getting killed, be mad
if you have the freedom to add fights, ppl also have the freedom to not help greefing players!
Your self centered mentality is mind boggling.
My bet... if the developers were able to somehow stop this practice they would. It’s just not possible. If we asked the game’s creator I’d bet he said your pathetic practice is against the spirit of the game.
"The spirit of the game". Good stuff you smoking.
A server with 4 hours swap and a custom /gvg toggle command...what you talking about. Devs here have done great things to incentivate both zerg and solo, small, 8v8.
Haha you support everything I’ve saidinoeth wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 7:23 AMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 2:39 AMWowinoeth wrote: ↑Thu 30 Jan 2020 5:06 PMlol
be a dick, add fights, getting killed, be mad
if you have the freedom to add fights, ppl also have the freedom to not help greefing players!
Your self centered mentality is mind boggling.
My bet... if the developers were able to somehow stop this practice they would. It’s just not possible. If we asked the game’s creator I’d bet he said your pathetic practice is against the spirit of the game.
you seem to forget that the toons you are playing with and against are actually people. people play this game to have fun and for some players like me 1v1 and 8v8 is fun. then there are people like you who want to destroy our fun. do you think we put up with it? no! we destroy your fun, till you learn to let us play like we want it. why dont you guys not just go to the zerg zones and let us be?
my bet you are the ones who got bullied in school and now want to give it back somehow.... i have zero sympathy for that behavior.
live and let live
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 1:30 PMIf you guys are such 8v8 badasses then you should NEVER hit anything less than 8 people, EVER. Period. Full stop.
I’m sure they chose to attack your eight man instead of possibly killing the multitude of soloers around any defense keep, possibly getting a kill in processbigne88 wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 2:01 PMCadebrennus wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 1:30 PMIf you guys are such 8v8 badasses then you should NEVER hit anything less than 8 people, EVER. Period. Full stop.
How so? Where is written?
And do you think it happens differently always? For istance yesterday night I played 2 hours. I made like 5k RPs because I only fought 8men which mostly pownd me. We killed a couple of soloers who wanted to suicide to get the rvr task done.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 10:59 PMI’m sure they chose to attack your eight man instead of possibly killing the multitude of soloers around any defense keep, possibly getting a kill in processbigne88 wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 2:01 PMCadebrennus wrote: ↑Fri 31 Jan 2020 1:30 PMIf you guys are such 8v8 badasses then you should NEVER hit anything less than 8 people, EVER. Period. Full stop.
How so? Where is written?
And do you think it happens differently always? For istance yesterday night I played 2 hours. I made like 5k RPs because I only fought 8men which mostly pownd me. We killed a couple of soloers who wanted to suicide to get the rvr task done.
Razur Ur wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:39 PMHaha Dark Templer want respect from 8vs8 Enemy Groups? Rly? You and your 1&half Group is not better how some 8vs8 groups with killing or chasing solo´s!!!
), and the "real" Dark Templars fight ONLY for Midgard, no realm switch. We don't need neither want respect from 8v8 children, and usually our target is the enemy BG but we fight every red target whatever number it is because this is RvR and not GvG or 1v1 or whatever childish gameplay you're trying to play. This game and every other RvR(vR) game is created for MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE and not for your dumb 1v1/GvG gameplay (when we want to GvG we log in other games specifically created for that gameplay mode)
ZioRed wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:42 PMRazur Ur wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:39 PMHaha Dark Templer want respect from 8vs8 Enemy Groups? Rly? You and your 1&half Group is not better how some 8vs8 groups with killing or chasing solo´s!!!
You probably didn't read or want to understand my post's point of view: you'll never see a single post from me or other guildies whining or complaining about adds or similar, we fight only for Midgard not for RPs (if you were ever in Midgard you could have read in /say "no add plz" but it's only our joke against GvG players
For example, but it is my only opinion, I really loved few days ago when mid&hib&alb BGs fought against in big numbers, it doesn't matter who won the fights but partecipating in very big battles was fantastic. I love large BGs' fights.
That said... UP MIDGARD, WAKE UP, WE HAVE TO CATCH THE TRAITORS (any reference to Giosakis is intended)!
Razur Ur wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 2:51 PMWhy is 1vs1 childish gameplay? i prefer 8vs8 group roaming or if i dont find a group then i playing 1vs1 for more fun. i cannot playing bg zerg everyday with a
tank ( iam a tank player prefer champion) because this is brainless stick up the most time on zerg rvr and i ask me if you want playing for your realm why
your Dark Templer raiding not a tower? No you prefer to chasing smallgroups and solo´s and this is a shitty brainless gameplay!!! And that is the reason
where you shouldn't be surprised if 8vs8 groups only fighting vs your 1&half group and after the fight they stopped fight and runaway ;-).
ZioRed wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 3:01 PMRazur Ur wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 2:51 PMWhy is 1vs1 childish gameplay? i prefer 8vs8 group roaming or if i dont find a group then i playing 1vs1 for more fun. i cannot playing bg zerg everyday with a
tank ( iam a tank player prefer champion) because this is brainless stick up the most time on zerg rvr and i ask me if you want playing for your realm why
your Dark Templer raiding not a tower? No you prefer to chasing smallgroups and solo´s and this is a shitty brainless gameplay!!! And that is the reason
where you shouldn't be surprised if 8vs8 groups only fighting vs your 1&half group and after the fight they stopped fight and runaway ;-).
This is only your own (and every other 1v1/smallmen/GvG) idea of what a RvR should be. If it was for your idea then there shouldn't exist any RvR game, that is why I find "childish" any fight that you consider "fair". RvR is not fair, WAR is not fair and that's why I PERSONALLY think that a RvR game cannot be fair as well (it doesn't mean that I'm right, I'm only expressing my own opinion of what a RvR should be). This is also why I continue (and will continue) to play this game and game like this, else I'd have quitted and never downloaded any RvR game.
Or do you really think that a game like DAoC (or any other similar) would have been last for so many years because of 1v1 or GvG? Nevermind, DAoC still exist and is enjoyable because people like Giosakis, Pilzpower, Harder and Oadin continues to create & run in BGs! If it was only made by 1v1 & GvG then DAoC would have been dead by very many years, trust me, I've been programmer and GM in very many unofficial shards so I really know what I'm talking about.
PS: we take towers if we think that it can be a bait for enemies, wait outside or inside and then finally get them, if it's part of a major tactic, as any other "thinking" battle group. While you're only thinking to your GvG fights, as said our main target as DT guild is to defend our realm or attack others (of course as said we also fight soloers or smallmen because we're concentrated on REALM, RPs are secondary target).
inoeth wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 7:16 PMalso this "realm" mentality is so stupid, most of the daoc players have played every realm in the last 20 years and dont give a shit about "realm pride" you must be new to the game to still have that [Edited by Cooky] behavior, or just really really stupid. can you just leave plz? we dont need this behavior in this establishment.
Cooky
ZioRed wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:11 PM...and not to mention when groups from different realms defend each other to wipe the third enemy and then go in the opposite direction without fighting their friends, which in my opinion is at very limit of cross-realming. And this happens often to my guild, luckily we're old enough in age to not ragequitting and I'm going to notify this weird behaviour here not to whine or complain but only because someone else started this topic
For example the following screenshots (that I took for ourselves to identify the people and address them in later fights), where we were fighting 2 fga (one done in the water and one remained alive in these screeshots) and were added by 1&half fgh which wiped our 1&half group and at the end both the albs and hibs didn't fight each other but retreated in opposite directions even if hibs were in more numbers (I didn't release because I thought the fight between them could have been interesting to follow [yes interesting because I'm totally against 8v8 fights in a massive RvR game], but...). This is constantly happening to us in the last weeks and I'm pretty sure those groups were coordinating together on discord or were "friendly each other", which is really dumb and contrary to any RvRvR game (alliance or friendship between two realms or groups from two realms shouldn't be tolerated in any way and any situation, it was very clear that the two groups above didn't fight intentionally and not because of no-RA or something like that since all of us were already wiped by hibs attacking us from behind).
Albs retreating:
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Hibs retreating:
, I'm trying to explain THIS point of view many times, though the guys here continue to insult like that. It's not that I get an axe and decapitate you if I see you in RL because you play hib/alb, that part is only when I play and any appellative for me is only for in-game realm toons and not directed to the RL person <3ZioRed wrote: ↑Fri 7 Feb 2020 2:17 PM
Of course, my dear. My seriousness is limited to the game (any game where the player chooses a faction) and ONLY in game, I don't insult RL things don't call "nazi", "brainless", "bullied at school" (when I said "children/childish" was related to continuously yelling those kind of insults from people only because the others don't play like them).
I love to play as RPG (my first ever and loved MMORPG was "The 4th Calling" just before DAoC was released, if anyone here knows it was very fun on strict-RPG ruleset) and so I emphatize the RPG part of ANY game (heal/buff/support everybody when playing healer toons, defend/help my faction's fellows when they're in difficult situations, etc), no matter if the game is new or old, or if the others don't like that because for them it's only a "game around numbers" (RR, RPs, BPs or whatever else). Maybe it's too difficult to understand for people who only care about personal toon progression (or personal challenge).
That is why I've still a "realm pride" even on a 20 years old game (PS: "this is not war but a game" is nonsense, this is a war game between 3 realms and as said I'm a RPG player so I act accordingly and not because "I'm stupid"
That being said, see you in frontier my dear adversary!
PS: as I said in my first post in this thread, I didn't write that to report the people in those screenshots (else I'd have done the same day I took the screens and in my own topic), but more to add my2cents to this thread without any third-subtle-reason (note the phrase "I took for ourselves to identify the people and address them in later fights", not to report them which in fact I didn't make).
bigne88 wrote: ↑Fri 7 Feb 2020 2:56 PMZioRed wrote: ↑Fri 7 Feb 2020 2:17 PM
Of course, my dear. My seriousness is limited to the game (any game where the player chooses a faction) and ONLY in game, I don't insult RL things don't call "nazi", "brainless", "bullied at school" (when I said "children/childish" was related to continuously yelling those kind of insults from people only because the others don't play like them).
I love to play as RPG (my first ever and loved MMORPG was "The 4th Calling" just before DAoC was released, if anyone here knows it was very fun on strict-RPG ruleset) and so I emphatize the RPG part of ANY game (heal/buff/support everybody when playing healer toons, defend/help my faction's fellows when they're in difficult situations, etc), no matter if the game is new or old, or if the others don't like that because for them it's only a "game around numbers" (RR, RPs, BPs or whatever else). Maybe it's too difficult to understand for people who only care about personal toon progression (or personal challenge).
That is why I've still a "realm pride" even on a 20 years old game (PS: "this is not war but a game" is nonsense, this is a war game between 3 realms and as said I'm a RPG player so I act accordingly and not because "I'm stupid"
That being said, see you in frontier my dear adversary!
PS: as I said in my first post in this thread, I didn't write that to report the people in those screenshots (else I'd have done the same day I took the screens and in my own topic), but more to add my2cents to this thread without any third-subtle-reason (note the phrase "I took for ourselves to identify the people and address them in later fights", not to report them which in fact I didn't make).
This is your point of you; it is reasonable and I respect it. Tough, I'm 100% not agree with it.
So what? Nothing, who cares, we both are wrong or right, it is subjective. Both mentalities are needed to keep server population hig.
The only objective things are server rules and if some behaviours are against it, gms are there for a reason. Anything else is pure trashtalk, good only to entertain some drama-lovers.
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat 8 Feb 2020 5:52 PMbigne88 wrote: ↑Fri 7 Feb 2020 2:56 PMZioRed wrote: ↑Fri 7 Feb 2020 2:17 PMOf course, my dear. My seriousness is limited to the game (any game where the player chooses a faction) and ONLY in game, I don't insult RL things don't call "nazi", "brainless", "bullied at school" (when I said "children/childish" was related to continuously yelling those kind of insults from people only because the others don't play like them).
I love to play as RPG (my first ever and loved MMORPG was "The 4th Calling" just before DAoC was released, if anyone here knows it was very fun on strict-RPG ruleset) and so I emphatize the RPG part of ANY game (heal/buff/support everybody when playing healer toons, defend/help my faction's fellows when they're in difficult situations, etc), no matter if the game is new or old, or if the others don't like that because for them it's only a "game around numbers" (RR, RPs, BPs or whatever else). Maybe it's too difficult to understand for people who only care about personal toon progression (or personal challenge).
That is why I've still a "realm pride" even on a 20 years old game (PS: "this is not war but a game" is nonsense, this is a war game between 3 realms and as said I'm a RPG player so I act accordingly and not because "I'm stupid"
That being said, see you in frontier my dear adversary!
PS: as I said in my first post in this thread, I didn't write that to report the people in those screenshots (else I'd have done the same day I took the screens and in my own topic), but more to add my2cents to this thread without any third-subtle-reason (note the phrase "I took for ourselves to identify the people and address them in later fights", not to report them which in fact I didn't make).
This is your point of you; it is reasonable and I respect it. Tough, I'm 100% not agree with it.
So what? Nothing, who cares, we both are wrong or right, it is subjective. Both mentalities are needed to keep server population hig.
The only objective things are server rules and if some behaviours are against it, gms are there for a reason. Anything else is pure trashtalk, good only to entertain some drama-lovers.
thing is, we respect that some want to zerg, but i dont feel any respect for our playstyle from the zergers... why dont they just go play vs other zergers and let us play how we feel is right? i tell you, they are of the kind "its not enough that i win, others must lose" some guys just want to see the world burning
Not only that, the vast majority of these players are the biggest hypocrites about adding or simply mowing down solo playersQuik wrote: ↑Sat 8 Feb 2020 6:52 PMSo let me get this straight...
People are playing in a REALM VS REALM game and they are upset people from other realms are attacking them in an RvR area just because they are already engaged in a fight? So basically DAoC is no longer an RvR game to these people? They have the right to ask everyone else to stop playing how the game was designed just so they can have a clean fight? That the jist? I'm really lost...
Razur Ur wrote: ↑Mon 10 Feb 2020 9:46 AMYesterday the Noob Templer roaming with two 2 groups beetwen Bled Coast and Nottmor Coast for 2 hours and farming only Solo´s and Smallgroups and this is
nice Realm Defense? go and raid anywhere enemy Towers but do it not so a shit!!!
ZioRed wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:42 PMRazur Ur wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:39 PMHaha Dark Templer want respect from 8vs8 Enemy Groups? Rly? You and your 1&half Group is not better how some 8vs8 groups with killing or chasing solo´s!!!
For example, but it is my only opinion, I really loved few days ago when mid&hib&alb BGs fought against in big numbers, it doesn't matter who won the fights but partecipating in very big battles was fantastic. I love large BGs' fights.
That said... UP MIDGARD, WAKE UP, WE HAVE TO CATCH THE TRAITORS (any reference to Giosakis is intended)!
you are giosakis though... you’re talking awfully good about yourself while making it sound like it’s not you lolTsol wrote: ↑Sun 29 Mar 2020 2:18 PMZioRed wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:42 PMRazur Ur wrote: ↑Thu 6 Feb 2020 12:39 PMHaha Dark Templer want respect from 8vs8 Enemy Groups? Rly? You and your 1&half Group is not better how some 8vs8 groups with killing or chasing solo´s!!!
For example, but it is my only opinion, I really loved few days ago when mid&hib&alb BGs fought against in big numbers, it doesn't matter who won the fights but partecipating in very big battles was fantastic. I love large BGs' fights.
That said... UP MIDGARD, WAKE UP, WE HAVE TO CATCH THE TRAITORS (any reference to Giosakis is intended)!
Calling someone a "traitor" when you and your whole guild combined haven't taken the number of relics + keeps/towers for Midgard he has taken and the amount of effort he has made to help Midgard dominate- I suggest you and a lot more Mids start to rethink the word Traitor. Plus by going to Alb he helped you enjoy once more all these mega BG battles between all 3 realms which didn't exist for like 2+ months from November and after....
Meanwhile take a good look at Midgard atm where for some reason there is No BG atm for like 1month and ask yourself why? Its easy to blame a traitor, while i suggest you and everybody else that likes to use the word traitor, to take a good look into the mirror and ask yourself why Midgard Eu time BG suxx so bad?!
. However. I noticed that the Albs were not doing any damage to the Mids (& vice-versa) and once i was slain, both groups just slowly and gently spread away from each other.Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 10:11 AMI think i may have fallen victim to this last night. And it sounds even more sinister than i originally thought... [I can't believe people would stoop to this low level. i mean you arn't even participating in the game anymore.]
Anyway here is what happened to me:
On my solo friar I came out of the center tunnel in EV and saw (with a restricted view) a couple of Albs (inc. Nefcaiti) and Mids "engaged". So... i did what any "loyal" Alb would do, ran to the aid of my realm-mates and attacked the first Norse I came upon. I saw that this was a group Vs group fight and unsurprisingly I immediately became the target for the midgard /assist train. Never fear though, whilst i was being killed I valiantly called down a static tempest and prayed that my graceful dexterity would give my fellow Albs a good chance to fight back and win: For King and Country!
Finally, The so-called "Albion" group didn't rezz their fallen comrade [me] or communicate about whatever cross-realm strategy they were doing.
It all reeks like Inconnu feet.
Centenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:50 AMActually they are not doing 8v8.
They purposely go to an area (EV Alb or Hib or Mid) depending on who is against who.
They constantly mezz/root/stun each other and do not do damage.
They wait for a group to add and kill them with full immunity, while the realm-mate disengages.
They farm RP like that.
Example:
8man alb and 8man mid go to EV, they agree that this time they go to Alb EV entrance.
The 8man alb stuns/roots/mezzes/ns the 8man mid except one who cures mezz/ns.
If they do some damage they just let the healers heal each other's group.
Alb group enters EV and adds the fight.
Alb 8-man (1337 grp) disengages.
Mid 8-man (RP-farmer) crushes the adders thanks to full immunity.
Rince and Repeat until they have gained enough RP to switch to EV Mid doors.
I think these people should be banned for crossrealm communication, crossrealm rp farming.
Or give them an area where they can't do this RP farming strategy, where they have to fight each other instead of waiting for adders and RP farming them with full-immunity.
rafjord wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 11:28 AMlove the salty tears of people adding my 8v8 fights and getting killed then QQing on forum. Its awesome. it fuels me. I cant wait to do it again today.
Onnit wrote: You don’t see random schmucks jumping into a McGregor or Tyson Fury fight, people respect the spectacle and just observe, have some decency to do the same rather than ruining fair fights for a few rps like the leeching monkeys that most of you on the forums are.
Chat shi* get banged.
rafjord wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 11:28 AMlove the salty tears of people adding my 8v8 fights and getting killed then QQing on forum. Its awesome. it fuels me. I cant wait to do it again today.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 11:41 AMrafjord wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 11:28 AMlove the salty tears of people adding my 8v8 fights and getting killed then QQing on forum. Its awesome. it fuels me. I cant wait to do it again today.
I hope that’s a joke. However, If in all seriousness you do get enjoyment out of other people’s misery, then you should probably get counselling or at least talk to a mental health professional.
Fk_ wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 11:11 AMCentenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:50 AMActually they are not doing 8v8.
They purposely go to an area (EV Alb or Hib or Mid) depending on who is against who.
They constantly mezz/root/stun each other and do not do damage.
They wait for a group to add and kill them with full immunity, while the realm-mate disengages.
They farm RP like that.
Example:
8man alb and 8man mid go to EV, they agree that this time they go to Alb EV entrance.
The 8man alb stuns/roots/mezzes/ns the 8man mid except one who cures mezz/ns.
If they do some damage they just let the healers heal each other's group.
Alb group enters EV and adds the fight.
Alb 8-man (1337 grp) disengages.
Mid 8-man (RP-farmer) crushes the adders thanks to full immunity.
Rince and Repeat until they have gained enough RP to switch to EV Mid doors.
I think these people should be banned for crossrealm communication, crossrealm rp farming.
Or give them an area where they can't do this RP farming strategy, where they have to fight each other instead of waiting for adders and RP farming them with full-immunity.
Name the groups doing this. I seriously doubt the veracity of this claim LUL.
People are "pseudo fighting", giving themselves a 1mn immunity? Calling you a liar and a paranoid here.
Centenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 2:07 PMIf I run out to them 5 times in a row after fully rebuffing, while they still havent killed each other, and are just disengaging whenever I add.
It means in the end they have killed 8*5=40 adders and they have killed maybe 1 or 2 of their Rrrp-buddies.
Leads me to conclude they are farming RP on adders rather than doing 8v8.
Just test it.
They most of the time have full immunities and are waiting for the first opportunity to switch target/disengage.
Centenario wrote: Actually they are not doing 8v8.
They purposely go to an area (EV Alb or Hib or Mid) depending on who is against who.
They constantly mezz/root/stun each other and do not do damage.
They wait for a group to add and kill them with full immunity, while the realm-mate disengages.
They farm RP like that.
Example:
8man alb and 8man mid go to EV, they agree that this time they go to Alb EV entrance.
The 8man alb stuns/roots/mezzes/ns the 8man mid except one who cures mezz/ns.
If they do some damage they just let the healers heal each other's group.
Alb group enters EV and adds the fight.
Alb 8-man (1337 grp) disengages.
Mid 8-man (RP-farmer) crushes the adders thanks to full immunity.
Rince and Repeat until they have gained enough RP to switch to EV Mid doors.
I think these people should be banned for crossrealm communication, crossrealm rp farming.
Or give them an area where they can't do this RP farming strategy, where they have to fight each other instead of waiting for adders and RP farming them with full-immunity.
Centenario wrote: I don't know their name or guildname, just people in EV were doing this all EU night yesterday.
Don't want to know their name or guildname either. Never will.
I just know they are doing bannable offense described above. Farming RP from adders and disguising it as 8v8.
They might occasionally kill each other, but most of what they do is what I described.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 10:11 AMI think i may have fallen victim to this last night. And it sounds even more sinister than i originally thought... [I can't believe people would stoop to this low level. i mean you arn't even participating in the game anymore.]
Anyway here is what happened to me:
On my solo friar I came out of the center tunnel in EV and saw (with a restricted view) a couple of Albs (inc. Nefcaiti) and Mids "engaged". So... i did what any "loyal" Alb would do, ran to the aid of my realm-mates and attacked the first Norse I came upon. I saw that this was a group Vs group fight and unsurprisingly I immediately became the target for the midgard /assist train. Never fear though, whilst i was being killed I valiantly called down a static tempest and prayed that my graceful dexterity would give my fellow Albs a good chance to fight back and win: For King and Country!
Finally, The so-called "Albion" group didn't rezz their fallen comrade [me] or communicate about whatever cross-realm strategy they were doing.
It all reeks like Inconnu feet.
Centenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 2:07 PMIf I run out to them 5 times in a row after fully rebuffing, while they still havent killed each other, and are just disengaging whenever I add.
It means in the end they have killed 8*5=40 adders and they have killed maybe 1 or 2 of their Rrrp-buddies.
Leads me to conclude they are farming RP on adders rather than doing 8v8.
Just test it.
They most of the time have full immunities and are waiting for the first opportunity to switch target/disengage.
It's like big companies saying they don't share your data, they are righteous with data. (8vs8 only doing 8v8)
Then saying only if you agree to share your data they will share it. (But if you add us thats free RP for us)
Then forcing you to agree to share to enjoy most functionality. (There is no way to do 8v8 cause they are constantly being added)
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 10:11 AMI think i may have fallen victim to this last night. And it sounds even more sinister than i originally thought... [I can't believe people would stoop to this low level. i mean you arn't even participating in the game anymore.]
Anyway here is what happened to me:
On my solo friar I came out of the center tunnel in EV and saw (with a restricted view) a couple of Albs (inc. Nefcaiti) and Mids "engaged". So... i did what any "loyal" Alb would do, ran to the aid of my realm-mates and attacked the first Norse I came upon. I saw that this was a group Vs group fight and unsurprisingly I immediately became the target for the midgard /assist train. Never fear though, whilst i was being killed I valiantly called down a static tempest and prayed that my graceful dexterity would give my fellow Albs a good chance to fight back and win: For King and Country!
Finally, The so-called "Albion" group didn't rezz their fallen comrade [me] or communicate about whatever cross-realm strategy they were doing.
It all reeks like Inconnu feet.
nothing. You are giving a view on an engagement of groups, most likely misjudging what is happening. The scenario I provided earlier is much more likely to have actually happened, because it does not rely on the assumption of two groups agreeing to spam cc's etc. on each other to farm rps on a third realms groups, which would need 16 people to agree etc. I can't imagine this scenario.Centenario wrote: I am just proving,...
There is not much need for communicating between 8mans. The only communication that is happening on a regular basis might be a /yell if a group gets/spots adds and tells the other party to pull off/focus the adds instead of them, depending on which realm joins in. All that is needed apart of that has been implemented via the /gvg commands, showing in which zone which group currently is.Centenario wrote: You cannot prove that you did not communicate with the opposing party...
I am just giving facts:Ele wrote: You are giving a view on an engagement of groups, most likely misjudging what is happening.
Centenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:50 AMActually they are not doing 8v8.
They purposely go to an area (EV Alb or Hib or Mid) depending on who is against who.
They constantly mezz/root/stun each other and do not do damage.
They wait for a group to add and kill them with full immunity, while the realm-mate disengages.
They farm RP like that.
Example:
8man alb and 8man mid go to EV, they agree that this time they go to Alb EV entrance.
The 8man alb stuns/roots/mezzes/ns the 8man mid except one who cures mezz/ns.
If they do some damage they just let the healers heal each other's group.
Alb group enters EV and adds the fight.
Alb 8-man (1337 grp) disengages.
Mid 8-man (RP-farmer) crushes the adders thanks to full immunity.
Rince and Repeat until they have gained enough RP to switch to EV Mid doors.
I think these people should be banned for crossrealm communication, crossrealm rp farming.
Or give them an area where they can't do this RP farming strategy, where they have to fight each other instead of waiting for adders and RP farming them with full-immunity.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 2:05 PMI assume you never chase down and roll over visi-solos... as that is completely against your “only fair-fight gameplay”
I’ll be a happy /waving friar to see you guys just whizz by me! Cos atm I seem to get ploughed down by every mid or hib group.
JimD wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 3:33 PMBlitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 10:11 AMI think i may have fallen victim to this last night. And it sounds even more sinister than i originally thought... [I can't believe people would stoop to this low level. i mean you arn't even participating in the game anymore.]
Anyway here is what happened to me:
On my solo friar I came out of the center tunnel in EV and saw (with a restricted view) a couple of Albs (inc. Nefcaiti) and Mids "engaged". So... i did what any "loyal" Alb would do, ran to the aid of my realm-mates and attacked the first Norse I came upon. I saw that this was a group Vs group fight and unsurprisingly I immediately became the target for the midgard /assist train. Never fear though, whilst i was being killed I valiantly called down a static tempest and prayed that my graceful dexterity would give my fellow Albs a good chance to fight back and win: For King and Country!
Finally, The so-called "Albion" group didn't rezz their fallen comrade [me] or communicate about whatever cross-realm strategy they were doing.
It all reeks like Inconnu feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5EFaI6vxIw
credit: norad
Agreed.Centenario wrote: I am just giving facts:
- 8v8 is in an open-RvR area
You can't fight any enemy without handing out immunities, regardless of which XvsX setting we are talking about.Centenario wrote: - is giving immunities to another group
In a certain manner, yes. The same way you would /monty an enemy or /bow after a fight you enjoyed: with a /-command. More is not needed for what you are describing.Centenario wrote: - is communicating with another realm
Which is not against any rules.Centenario wrote: - is disengaging from a fight to let the other group get free kills on the "adders"
If there is a lot of traffic, sure. In phoenix vids are lots of videos that show how an 8vs8 turns into an addgroup-slaughterhouse. First one that comes to my mind:Centenario wrote: - is doing this scenario multiple times within a short amount of time (anytime adders engage)
Guess in your book 3+3=9 then. There is no strategy, just the idea of - lets take the numbers from tuesday - 136 players that think 8vs8, not 8vs9 or something else, is a desirable form of rvr.Centenario wrote: In my books that is factual RP farming strategy.
Centenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 3:37 PMI am just proving, by the absurd, that you 8v8 need an 8v8 arena, or they could get banned for that absurd scenarios of RP farming adders with full immunity.
You cannot prove that you did not communicate with the opposing party and did not organize to do that style of RP farming.
It is clearly visible that one party disengages, and lets the other party attack the adders who are playing RvR style and not 8v8 style, who are at a disadvantage due to immunity(ies).
Either the 8v8 have to avoid adders by going to the edges of the map, or they need to stop disengaging, or they need their own arena.
By continuing this way they are giving a poor view of RvR/server to casuals.
They appear as the opposite of what they are trying to achieve:
Scum instead of Cream
Centenario wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 4:01 PMI am just giving facts:Ele wrote: You are giving a view on an engagement of groups, most likely misjudging what is happening.
- 8v8 is in an open-RvR area
- is giving immunities to another group
- is communicating with another realm
- is disengaging from a fight to let the other group get free kills on the "adders"
- is doing this scenario multiple times within a short amount of time (anytime adders engage)
In my books that is factual RP farming strategy.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 5:08 PMNice vid capture... I really did come out of that tunnel at the wrong time! I was excited to be part of a little skirmish with a Norse savage... Sadly I brought my shaft to the wrong sort of shaft-fight... It was a shame that the “alb” 8v8ers didn’t throw me tell or a rez and explain to me what was happening. Then I could just give you space to go about your business. I am no kinkshamer.
1. An idea: Allow groups that tag themselves as specific “8v8 only” to send tells to other realms as then even the Mids could have told me to keep their fight sacred... &bonus: they’d also be better at organising to meet fellow 8v8ers.
2. Or make 8v8ers names a different colour (other than red) and make it so other RvRers can’t target them (like NPCs)... with this make it so that RvRers cant be targetted by 8v8ers.
3. Or or... just easier to make zone mirrors of the best 8v8 zones (without keeps, guards, relics etc) that you can only go in with 8peeps.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 5:08 PMNice vid capture... I really did come out of that tunnel at the wrong time! I was excited to be part of a little skirmish with a Norse savage... Sadly I brought my shaft to the wrong sort of shaft-fight... It was a shame that the “alb” 8v8ers didn’t throw me tell or a rez and explain to me what was happening. Then I could just give you space to go about your business. I am no kinkshamer.
1. An idea: Allow groups that tag themselves as specific “8v8 only” to send tells to other realms as then even the Mids could have told me to keep their fight sacred... &bonus: they’d also be better at organising to meet fellow 8v8ers.
2. Or make 8v8ers names a different colour (other than red) and make it so other RvRers can’t target them (like NPCs)... with this make it so that RvRers cant be targetted by 8v8ers.
3. Or or... just easier to make zone mirrors of the best 8v8 zones (without keeps, guards, relics etc) that you can only go in with 8peeps.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 5:08 PMNice vid capture... I really did come out of that tunnel at the wrong time! I was excited to be part of a little skirmish with a Norse savage... Sadly I brought my shaft to the wrong sort of shaft-fight... It was a shame that the “alb” 8v8ers didn’t throw me tell or a rez and explain to me what was happening. Then I could just give you space to go about your business. I am no kinkshamer.
1. An idea: Allow groups that tag themselves as specific “8v8 only” to send tells to other realms as then even the Mids could have told me to keep their fight sacred... &bonus: they’d also be better at organising to meet fellow 8v8ers.
2. Or make 8v8ers names a different colour (other than red) and make it so other RvRers can’t target them (like NPCs)... with this make it so that RvRers cant be targetted by 8v8ers.
3. Or or... just easier to make zone mirrors of the best 8v8 zones (without keeps, guards, relics etc) that you can only go in with 8peeps.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:03 PMI had no idea I was adding an official 8v8, I was just a visi soloer running around the task zone. I honestly don’t care about the 8v8 mini-game as long as it isn’t in conflict with general RvR... I believe it’s in conflict when a confused realmmate is left to die without saying anything or rezzing them after. I even /region “what is happening?” Also they didn’t even carry on with the fair 8v8 after...
I think some of my ideas are good... but mirror zones with a special rule set for 8v8 duelling seems the best to implement and leaves the rest of the game as an RvR system.
You could even give different awards than realmpoints. let’s call them 8v8points and you can buy mirror abilities (purge, IP etc) with them that only work in the mirror zones.
Freedomcall wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:26 PMBlitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:03 PMI had no idea I was adding an official 8v8, I was just a visi soloer running around the task zone. I honestly don’t care about the 8v8 mini-game as long as it isn’t in conflict with general RvR... I believe it’s in conflict when a confused realmmate is left to die without saying anything or rezzing them after. I even /region “what is happening?” Also they didn’t even carry on with the fair 8v8 after...
I think some of my ideas are good... but mirror zones with a special rule set for 8v8 duelling seems the best to implement and leaves the rest of the game as an RvR system.
You could even give different awards than realmpoints. let’s call them 8v8points and you can buy mirror abilities (purge, IP etc) with them that only work in the mirror zones.
If you solo, that means you take all the responsibility and consequences by yourself.
Don't rely on help from your realmmate.
Players in DAoC all have different pov.
Some ppl don't add while others don't give a shit about adding.
You can't anticipate what each of the player thinks.
Just play as you like, and don't blame others for not playing as you expected.
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 8:03 PMI had no idea I was adding an official 8v8, I was just a visi soloer running around the task zone. I honestly don’t care about the 8v8 mini-game as long as it isn’t in conflict with general RvR... I believe it’s in conflict when a confused realmmate is left to die without saying anything or rezzing them after. I even /region “what is happening?” Also they didn’t even carry on with the fair 8v8 after...
I think some of my ideas are good... but mirror zones with a special rule set for 8v8 duelling seems the best to implement and leaves the rest of the game as an RvR system.
You could even give different awards than realmpoints. let’s call them 8v8points and you can buy mirror abilities (purge, IP etc) with them that only work in the mirror zones.
This is what we in Chicago call a jagoffrafjord wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 1:56 PMwhy would these groups needs immunity to win fights lol.
be honest with yourself, if you think your losing fights vs good groups because of immunities then your straight up delusional.
the 8v8 groups are a community. they play all 3 realms, and group often with eachother on multiple realms. we care about a fair fight requiring SKILL not numbers.
when notorious baddies like DT for example, add fights, your ruining a test of skill between 16 people that know eachother.
this will never change. its how we play the game. we don't care about realm pride. we don't care about other realm mates. we care about bragging rights over the other 8v8 people that we laugh/troll/group/play with week in week out.
add our fights and we will continue to pull off and allow you to die.
don't like it? then run round the fight and avoid it
its true what I said tho. if u wanna wear your Albion t shirt and roleplay as a warrior of Arthur, good for you dUdE. don't expect others to care about your playstyle thoughgotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 2:40 AMThis is what we in Chicago call a jagoffrafjord wrote: ↑Thu 2 Apr 2020 1:56 PMwhy would these groups needs immunity to win fights lol.
be honest with yourself, if you think your losing fights vs good groups because of immunities then your straight up delusional.
the 8v8 groups are a community. they play all 3 realms, and group often with eachother on multiple realms. we care about a fair fight requiring SKILL not numbers.
when notorious baddies like DT for example, add fights, your ruining a test of skill between 16 people that know eachother.
this will never change. its how we play the game. we don't care about realm pride. we don't care about other realm mates. we care about bragging rights over the other 8v8 people that we laugh/troll/group/play with week in week out.
add our fights and we will continue to pull off and allow you to die.
don't like it? then run round the fight and avoid it
Complete prickish attitude
Centenario wrote: Actually they are not doing 8v8.
They purposely go to an area (EV Alb or Hib or Mid) depending on who is against who.
They constantly mezz/root/stun each other and do not do damage.
They wait for a group to add and kill them with full immunity, while the realm-mate disengages.
They farm RP like that.
Example:
8man alb and 8man mid go to EV, they agree that this time they go to Alb EV entrance.
The 8man alb stuns/roots/mezzes/ns the 8man mid except one who cures mezz/ns.
If they do some damage they just let the healers heal each other's group.
Alb group enters EV and adds the fight.
Alb 8-man (1337 grp) disengages.
Mid 8-man (RP-farmer) crushes the adders thanks to full immunity.
Rince and Repeat until they have gained enough RP to switch to EV Mid doors.
I think these people should be banned for crossrealm communication, crossrealm rp farming.
Or give them an area where they can't do this RP farming strategy, where they have to fight each other instead of waiting for adders and RP farming them with full-immunity.
Centenario wrote: I don't know their name or guildname, just people in EV were doing this all EU night yesterday.
Don't want to know their name or guildname either. Never will.
I just know they are doing bannable offense described above. Farming RP from adders and disguising it as 8v8.
They might occasionally kill each other, but most of what they do is what I described.
Centenario wrote: I am just proving, by the absurd, that you 8v8 need an 8v8 arena, or they could get banned for that absurd scenarios of RP farming adders with full immunity.
You cannot prove that you did not communicate with the opposing party and did not organize to do that style of RP farming.
It is clearly visible that one party disengages, and lets the other party attack the adders who are playing RvR style and not 8v8 style, who are at a disadvantage due to immunity(ies).
Either the 8v8 have to avoid adders by going to the edges of the map, or they need to stop disengaging, or they need their own arena.
By continuing this way they are giving a poor view of RvR/server to casuals.
They appear as the opposite of what they are trying to achieve:
Scum instead of Cream
Centenario wrote: I am just giving facts:
- 8v8 is in an open-RvR area
- is giving immunities to another group
- is communicating with another realm
- is disengaging from a fight to let the other group get free kills on the "adders"
- is doing this scenario multiple times within a short amount of time (anytime adders engage)
In my books that is factual RP farming strategy.
rafjord wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 7:53 AMI am also not QQing for bans on people who don't play how I play...
unlike others here.
example
''QQ I added a fight cos im bad. the people who beat me should be forced to play their own server or be banned QQ end''
Centenario wrote:Centenario wrote: Actually they are not doing 8v8.
They purposely go to an area (EV Alb or Hib or Mid) depending on who is against who.
They constantly mezz/root/stun each other and do not do damage.
They wait for a group to add and kill them with full immunity, while the realm-mate disengages.
They farm RP like that.
Example:
8man alb and 8man mid go to EV, they agree that this time they go to Alb EV entrance.
The 8man alb stuns/roots/mezzes/ns the 8man mid except one who cures mezz/ns.
If they do some damage they just let the healers heal each other's group.
Alb group enters EV and adds the fight.
Alb 8-man (1337 grp) disengages.
Mid 8-man (RP-farmer) crushes the adders thanks to full immunity.
Rince and Repeat until they have gained enough RP to switch to EV Mid doors.
I think these people should be banned for crossrealm communication, crossrealm rp farming.
Or give them an area where they can't do this RP farming strategy, where they have to fight each other instead of waiting for adders and RP farming them with full-immunity.Centenario wrote: I don't know their name or guildname, just people in EV were doing this all EU night yesterday.
Don't want to know their name or guildname either. Never will.
I just know they are doing bannable offense described above. Farming RP from adders and disguising it as 8v8.
They might occasionally kill each other, but most of what they do is what I described.Centenario wrote: I am just proving, by the absurd, that you 8v8 need an 8v8 arena, or they could get banned for that absurd scenarios of RP farming adders with full immunity.
You cannot prove that you did not communicate with the opposing party and did not organize to do that style of RP farming.
It is clearly visible that one party disengages, and lets the other party attack the adders who are playing RvR style and not 8v8 style, who are at a disadvantage due to immunity(ies).
Either the 8v8 have to avoid adders by going to the edges of the map, or they need to stop disengaging, or they need their own arena.
By continuing this way they are giving a poor view of RvR/server to casuals.
They appear as the opposite of what they are trying to achieve:
Scum instead of CreamCentenario wrote: I am just giving facts:
- 8v8 is in an open-RvR area
- is giving immunities to another group
- is communicating with another realm
- is disengaging from a fight to let the other group get free kills on the "adders"
- is doing this scenario multiple times within a short amount of time (anytime adders engage)
In my books that is factual RP farming strategy.
I think devs/gms should take a decision on the 8v8 players, who are farming RP on adders instead of doing actual 8-man RvR.
Either give them an arena or make a rule against it.
They shouldn't be allowed to give immunity, wait for adders and then disengage and farm RP on adders.
If no arena is given for their fancy: making castles in the sandpit
oh btw that arena should be called sandpit
If no arena is given then just make a rule that disengaging a fight to let another realm kill another group of player purposefully is considered unsportsmanlike behavior and is subject to 24hr ban.
A summary is appreciated. An elaborate reaction would be a nice addition.Centenario wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 8:42 AMWhatever, you don't seem to understand, i give up trying to reason with you @rafjord
@Devs
If no arena is given then just make a rule that disengaging a fight to let another realm kill another group of player purposefully is considered unsportsmanlike behavior and is subject to 24hr ban.
They are giving immunity, breaking CC, and disengaging so that opponent can reset (and they kill "adders" and farm RP that way).
Most of what they do is killing adders (farming RP) and occasionally they have an 8v8 fight, which nobody cares about except them sandpit toddlers.
Give them an arena where they can measure the size of their toes.
@Ele Im just summarizing cause people keep drowning the fish in useless personal attack posts.
Centenario wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 7:36 AMI think devs/gms should take a decision on the 8v8 players, who are farming RP on adders instead of doing actual 8-man RvR.
Either give them an arena or make a rule against it.
They shouldn't be allowed to give immunity, wait for adders and then disengage and farm RP on adders.
If no arena is given for their fancy: making castles in the sandpit
oh btw that arena should be called sandpit
If no arena is given then just make a rule that disengaging a fight to let another realm kill another group of player purposefully is considered unsportsmanlike behavior and is subject to 24hr ban.
Ele wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 8:40 AM8vs8 is one of the things that keep this server alive. As I stated earlier - we are taking taking numbers from last tuesday into consideration again so I don't have to search for another screenshot - 136 people that are out in the frontiers are doing 8vs8 in EU PT.
MrWolf wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:09 AMEle wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 8:40 AM8vs8 is one of the things that keep this server alive. As I stated earlier - we are taking taking numbers from last tuesday into consideration again so I don't have to search for another screenshot - 136 people that are out in the frontiers are doing 8vs8 in EU PT.
at the same time total server population was around 1900ish.
so you 136 engaged in your private penis lenghts comparisons were merely just a under 10% of the pop.
you are not taking alive anything, even if you think so in your megalomanic minds. sorry.
MrWolf wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:09 AMEle wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 8:40 AM8vs8 is one of the things that keep this server alive. As I stated earlier - we are taking taking numbers from last tuesday into consideration again so I don't have to search for another screenshot - 136 people that are out in the frontiers are doing 8vs8 in EU PT.
at the same time total server population was around 1900ish.
so you 136 engaged in your private penis lenghts comparisons were merely just a under 10% of the pop.
you are not taking alive anything, even if you think so in your megalomanic minds. sorry.
...
rafjord wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:28 AMwhat exactly was YOUR suggestion then?
where you with the 'ban a certain playstyle' crowd or not ?
MrWolf wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:09 AMsame as always answer: do you want to play your minigame inside the game? go do it in a completely unpopulated area or just ask for an arena only for 8v8.
You'll be happy, all the others that don't give a fuck about 8v8 will be happy too.
rafjord wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:28 AMwhat exactly was YOUR suggestion then?
where you with the 'ban a certain playstyle' crowd or not ?
Centenario wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:18 AMRafjord please stop the flooding. Do you suffer from a complex of inferiority? [rhetorical question, please don't answer]
1) Give a 8v8 arena to the 1-150 people that want to partake into 8v8.
2) Prevent them from deteriorating the community with unsportsmanlike behavior in the regular RvR zones with a new rule.
3) If they continue to do RP-farming disguised into 8v8 then ban these players.
rafjord wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:38 AMpeople can play where they want, and how they want.
If we want to 8v8 at a dock, we will. If you add, which you are fully entitled to, we will pull off and kill you.
Uthred
Blitze wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 11:27 AMYea... it’s such a gray area... I don’t envy the staff trying to find the line where behaviour of a certain playstyle becomes too toxic to others.
Good luck I guess.
On the upside, at least with 8v8 (aside from say gray-gankers) a mirror/arena would be an off-the-shelf fix.
rafjord wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 11:53 AMu mad that we have friends mr wolf ?
or mad because u not only cannot beat us through skill, you cant even beat us with numbers now.
feelsbad to be you
you and your zerg friends are lucky we don't actualy team up with 16 people to ruin your zerg fun. because if we wanted to, we could. but we don't. we let you do your thing. the only time our paths cross is when you add our fights and die.
Uthred
Valaraukar wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 12:15 PMUthred... What's about "if there have been any arrangements before." theirs are ALWAYS arranged fights, they share the same discord, they shared also the same accounts.... What else is left to be arranged? They break cc against their own realm mates, they insult them if there is an add, and have no shame to inc a solo player or a smallman if they are so unlucky to cross their path, but then thy whine when they are wiped by 3 fgs. And no, they are not part of our community, they have their own community that gives absolutely nothing to this game and to the server, are arrogant and harassing with other players because they feel they are the "Pros".
Returning to the funny rafjord (who, as his other friends don't even care to put his toons name so he cannot be recognized in game).... You should feel lucky that your distasteful behaviour is so tolerated here. I hope it will have an end, sooner or later.
Valaraukar wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 12:15 PMReturning to the funny rafjord (who, as his other friends don't even care to put his toons name so he cannot be recognized in game)....
inoeth wrote:Eoril wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 7:32 PM8v8 are mostly "arranged fights" and those guys are not shy to add others 8v8 if the players are not their little friends of their parralel discord.
(not all grp)
lol if you dont have a clue maybe dont talk
MrWolf wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 9:09 AMEle wrote: ↑Fri 3 Apr 2020 8:40 AM8vs8 is one of the things that keep this server alive. As I stated earlier - we are taking taking numbers from last tuesday into consideration again so I don't have to search for another screenshot - 176 people that are out in the frontiers are doing 8vs8 in EU PT.
at the same time total server population was around 1900ish.
so you 136 engaged in your private penis lenghts comparisons were merely just a under 10% of the pop.
you are not taking alive anything, even if you think so in your megalomanic minds. sorry.
same as always answer: do you want to play your minigame inside the game? go do it in a completely unpopulated area or just ask for an arena only for 8v8.
You'll be happy, all the others that don't give a fuck about 8v8 will be happy too.
Eoril wrote: 8v8 are mostly "arranged fights" and those guys are not shy to add others 8v8 if the players are not their little friends of their parralel discord.
(not all grp)
[...]
Do you really deny that some fight are organized?
Do you really deny that there is a discord ?
ye there is a discord but we dont organise fights no, the gvg list says where all grps are its not really hard to figure that part outEoril wrote: ↑Sun 5 Apr 2020 9:23 PMinoeth wrote:Eoril wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 7:32 PM8v8 are mostly "arranged fights" and those guys are not shy to add others 8v8 if the players are not their little friends of their parralel discord.
(not all grp)
lol if you dont have a clue maybe dont talk
Do you realize that I can say exactly the same thing to you?
What do you know about my game experience ?
Do you really deny that some fight are organized?
Do you really deny that there is a discord ?
Please don't be so childish.
Eoril wrote: ↑Sun 5 Apr 2020 9:23 PMinoeth wrote:Eoril wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 7:32 PM8v8 are mostly "arranged fights" and those guys are not shy to add others 8v8 if the players are not their little friends of their parralel discord.
(not all grp)
lol if you dont have a clue maybe dont talk
Do you realize that I can say exactly the same thing to you?
What do you know about my game experience ?
Do you really deny that some fight are organized?
Do you really deny that there is a discord ?
Please don't be so childish.
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 3:56 PM(BTW, /gvg wasn't implemented so you could have these "fair fights", it was implemented so you have a better chance of encountering similar sized groups.)
Amser wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 4:09 PMjoshisanonymous wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 3:56 PM(BTW, /gvg wasn't implemented so you could have these "fair fights", it was implemented so you have a better chance of encountering similar sized groups.)
The way I take /gvg would be the opposite then of the way you are perceiving it.
/gvg is only for 8 mans.
If they wanted "similar size groups" fighting, there would only be one command for all lists. As it stands, there is /fairfight for <7 or /gvg for 8.
If they didn't expect 8v8 "fair fights" in the /gvg, they also wouldn't have the /gvg fairfight command if both teams feel like there wasn't adds...
Basically what you say here is opposite of what is implemented in the game.
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 6:08 PMAmser wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 4:09 PMjoshisanonymous wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 3:56 PM(BTW, /gvg wasn't implemented so you could have these "fair fights", it was implemented so you have a better chance of encountering similar sized groups.)
The way I take /gvg would be the opposite then of the way you are perceiving it.
/gvg is only for 8 mans.
If they wanted "similar size groups" fighting, there would only be one command for all lists. As it stands, there is /fairfight for <7 or /gvg for 8.
If they didn't expect 8v8 "fair fights" in the /gvg, they also wouldn't have the /gvg fairfight command if both teams feel like there wasn't adds...
Basically what you say here is opposite of what is implemented in the game.
Replace "similar" with "same". /gvg has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding adds; it just means that you won't spend an hour in a zone that has no other 8mans in it.
I mean, it tells you if you're in a zone with multiple 8mans, right? So if we're gonna go with the logic of what it shows you is the exact fight you should get, then /gvg is really about promoting adds between groups of 8...
Amser wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 6:27 PMjoshisanonymous wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 6:08 PMAmser wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 4:09 PMThe way I take /gvg would be the opposite then of the way you are perceiving it.
/gvg is only for 8 mans.
If they wanted "similar size groups" fighting, there would only be one command for all lists. As it stands, there is /fairfight for <7 or /gvg for 8.
If they didn't expect 8v8 "fair fights" in the /gvg, they also wouldn't have the /gvg fairfight command if both teams feel like there wasn't adds...
Basically what you say here is opposite of what is implemented in the game.
Replace "similar" with "same". /gvg has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding adds; it just means that you won't spend an hour in a zone that has no other 8mans in it.
I mean, it tells you if you're in a zone with multiple 8mans, right? So if we're gonna go with the logic of what it shows you is the exact fight you should get, then /gvg is really about promoting adds between groups of 8...
The list is only visible to people in /gvg. So it doesn’t promote adds outside of /gvg. The GM’s have come out and stated what they feel is acceptable as a /gvg fairfight. A single or so add here or there that does change the outcome of the battle is acceptable. A third group AJing two 8 mans fighting would not be considered a /gvg fairfight.
So yes, they are promoting with reward by implementation 8v8 as a “fair fight”. So by design, they are recommending avoiding adds... or you won’t have both sides accepting /gvg fairfight.
“/gvg” doesn’t promote it, if that is what you are trying to say.
“/gvg fairfight” does though and is a command within /gvg.
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 3:56 PMIf I put together a set 8man, I would do it with the intention of not only seeing if we can win 8v8 fights but seeing we can pull off 8vX fights, because this is an RvR game, not an arena game. It's the same way I approach soloing: I plan not only for how to win 1v1 but also how to win 1vX, because it's an open frontier. That's a feature of the game, not a bug: RvR is meant to be unpredictable and part of the fun is supposed to be seeing if you can adapt and handle that unpredictableness.
Back in the day, it seemed like 8man groups did plan for 8vX fights. I remember hardcore 8mans vs casual zergs being a regular thing on multiple servers. Somewhere along the line, though, that mentality changed and now it's all about "fair fights". (BTW, /gvg wasn't implemented so you could have these "fair fights", it was implemented so you have a better chance of encountering similar sized groups.)
Blitze wrote: ↑Thu 16 Apr 2020 9:00 AMYea, it’s easy to observe whilst playing the server that the 8v8ers are happy to collect free RPs by chasing Smallmans & solos 4000 units across the map.
Yet the community tells us repeatedly that they just want clean fair fights.
So in my opinion, we and the Devs should take them at their word and make a separate set of mirror zones for them to 8v8.... it can have different rules and even rewards.
The normal zones will then have a more normal RvR rule set where some of the more questionable 8v8 behaviour can be limited by rules.
Pao wrote: ↑Mon 13 Jan 2020 11:17 PMHate to hear dumb stuff like this especially when I get killed solo all the time nobody honour my soloness....
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