Friar in 8v8 - Phoenix Freeshard

Is it possible to find group/get grouped with a Melee Focussed Friar?

I really like the concept of a Tanky Bruiser with Healing Procs that uses a Staff, but I hate being an active Off-Healer...

I noticed that now the Friar got upped in the Damage Table from 19 to 21, they gave to him a Back Snare and they also give to him an offensive Healing Proc for the entire Group...

Since Friar have now higher Damage and a Back Snare is it possible to build it like 47 Enha, 39 Staff, 24 Rej (For the third Offensive Heal Proc) & Rest in parry and play it like a Peleer/Melee Train DD? Something like a Reaver but with less damage and a reiable Back Snare.

Fri 24 Jan 2020 7:09 PM by imweasel

I suppose you could, but why?

Most run 2 clerics. If they need a peeler then take an armsman. Possibly a friar could be worked in, but not so great melee combat (something an armsman or Merc can do) and bad at everything a cleric could do makes one wonder the role of a friar in 8mam groups.

I could see this in a smaller group, where you don't have a 2nd cleric for heals and your peel ability would be appreciated/needed more and having a multirole toon could add coverage roles to a smaller group.

But I think you would have to be more of a hybrid spec (34rejuv/45enh/34staff) to get real use. Your rejuv is just to low for possible damage spiked that would happen.

Fri 24 Jan 2020 7:32 PM by chryso

Don't forget the resists.

Fri 24 Jan 2020 7:58 PM by Harvest

imweasel wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 7:09 PM
I suppose you could, but why?

Most run 2 clerics. If they need a peeler then take an armsman. Possibly a friar could be worked in, but not so great melee combat (something an armsman or Merc can do) and bad at everything a cleric could do makes one wonder the role of a friar in 8mam groups.

I could see this in a smaller group, where you don't have a 2nd cleric for heals and your peel ability would be appreciated/needed more and having a multirole toon could add coverage roles to a smaller group.

But I think you would have to be more of a hybrid spec (34rejuv/45enh/34staff) to get real use. Your rejuv is just to low for possible damage spiked that would happen.

Well but having a Friar in group add Resists, a Melee DPS that is pretty much Tanky as a Plate User, Offensive Group Heal Proc... Also the Damage of a Friar now that the Damage Table is 21 (Compared to the old 19), the damage is not too much far off than the one of a Mercenary/Armsman, also Friar is the only one that have a Haste Buff, increase his DPS probably past the one of a Merc/Arms... So sacrificing one Merc instead of a Friar you only lose a Slam-Bot (If specced Shield) and gain other things...

Fri 24 Jan 2020 10:43 PM by kedelin

I would take friar as a back up healer and backline peeler kind of like warden... or I would want friar to be 40 rejuv so he can replace one cleric... then you could run something like sorc mins cleric friar necro pally and anycombo of merc/arms/reaver. Plus only need 18 staff to be able to peel effectively.. I would run 48 enhance 40 rejuv rest staff or 45 enhance 43 rejuv rest staff

Fri 24 Jan 2020 10:55 PM by thirian24

Imho, if you're not running a support Friar, you're messing up. HoT, heal proc, resists and peels..

I try HARD to get a Friar in our groups at all times. Even had 3-4 of our guildies respect to support. It's huge.

Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:29 PM by Harvest

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 10:55 PM
Imho, if you're not running a support Friar, you're messing up. HoT, heal proc, resists and peels..

I try HARD to get a Friar in our groups at all times. Even had 3-4 of our guildies respect to support. It's huge.

With "support" what do you mean?

Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:45 PM by thirian24

Harvest wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:29 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 10:55 PM
Imho, if you're not running a support Friar, you're messing up. HoT, heal proc, resists and peels..

I try HARD to get a Friar in our groups at all times. Even had 3-4 of our guildies respect to support. It's huge.

With "support" what do you mean?

In the support roll, you're there for back up heals, resists, base buffs, HoT, heal proc and snares in the back line. It's a tough roll to fill for someone that isn't really really on their game. But it's a huge key part of any grp imo.

That snare, is nasty.

Sat 25 Jan 2020 2:56 AM by kedelin

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:45 PM
Harvest wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:29 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 10:55 PM
Imho, if you're not running a support Friar, you're messing up. HoT, heal proc, resists and peels..

I try HARD to get a Friar in our groups at all times. Even had 3-4 of our guildies respect to support. It's huge.

With "support" what do you mean?

In the support roll, you're there for back up heals, resists, base buffs, HoT, heal proc and snares in the back line. It's a tough roll to fill for someone that isn't really really on their game. But it's a huge key part of any grp imo.

That snare, is nasty.

What spec did they go?

Sat 25 Jan 2020 2:57 AM by thirian24

kedelin wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jan 2020 2:56 AM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:45 PM
Harvest wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jan 2020 11:29 PM
With "support" what do you mean?

In the support roll, you're there for back up heals, resists, base buffs, HoT, heal proc and snares in the back line. It's a tough roll to fill for someone that isn't really really on their game. But it's a huge key part of any grp imo.

That snare, is nasty.
What spec did they go?

46 enhance
43 rejuv
18 staff

Sat 25 Jan 2020 8:19 AM by bigne88

2 good 8 men party in albion are running a really strong hybrid setuo with 1 cleric, 1 friar, paladin, reaver and body train. The damage and the utility are amazingly mixed.

Sat 25 Jan 2020 2:53 PM by imweasel

Right now I have a solo pve spec and after reading these posts, I think I would like to try a more support oriented friar.

Is 34rej/45enh/34staff enough rejuv to be a backup healer?

For peeling is the 34 rear snare good enough?

Sat 25 Jan 2020 5:11 PM by Harvest

The only thing that I do no understand is why the Phoenix Staffs didn't change the Level-Up Stats Bonus of the Friar, that Class still gain Strenght when he level up, even if Staff Damage is 100% base on Dexterity and Friar have literally zero use for Strenght...
It was clearly a overlook by Mythic to put that Level-Up Stat for Friar, and I think it would be so easy to fix it.

I mean, change the Strenght Level Up Stat in Dexterity or at least in Quickness...

Sat 25 Jan 2020 8:16 PM by Azrael

Afaik thats the reason they gave him self dex/quick buff. Beside that if you change this on friar you could fix bards empathie too hehehehe

Sun 26 Jan 2020 1:57 AM by Harvest

Technically Emp on Bard increase the Damage of his DD and Increase the Mana Pool, so it's not a completly dead Stat...

For Friar Strenght do LITERALLY NOTHING...

Sun 26 Jan 2020 5:20 AM by Freedomcall

Harvest wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Jan 2020 1:57 AM
Technically Emp on Bard increase the Damage of his DD and Increase the Mana Pool, so it's not a completly dead Stat...

For Friar Strenght do LITERALLY NOTHING...

Empathy does nothing for bards. Only charisma matters.

Sun 26 Jan 2020 11:55 AM by Harvest

You are right, I accidentally inverted the stats...

Yeah they should also fix that