stealth gems for minstrel - Phoenix Freeshard

Hello,

New minstrel here and i ve a question regarding stealth. Should I have + stealth gems on my gear or isnt worth it with recent stealth changes?

Tyvm in advance

Sat 28 Sep 2019 2:04 AM by Mavella

If you want the best possible stealth you want to have at least your spec with your +skill bonuses to add up to 50. If you have zero concerns about stealth then don't worry about it.

At RR5 for instance you need 35 stealth spec +11 from gear +4 from RR bonus to have the max effective stealth in RvR. Adjust accordingly for whatever your situation is.

Sat 28 Sep 2019 5:06 AM by Cadebrennus

The only classes that truly NEED composition 50 stealth are Assassins, because their main styles require them to be on top of their opponents. Minstrels and all Archers don't need 50 composite stealth to do their jobs imo. Archers and Minstrels shouldn't be able to be found by Visis if the Archer and Minstrel players are smart enough, even with lower stealth. Other stealthers are going to find you anyways, regardless of stealth spec.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:00 AM by Gorgoroth

The "advisors" above me got it all wrong, seriously.

Honestly, there is a really good minstrel guide here in the forum, just look for it. That tells you 95% you need to know as a Minst.

You can get away with no stealth at all if you are not going to play - ever - in a stealth team.

However... (and this is not covered in the guide) If you plan on doing that, and why wouldn't you, you should absolutely have 35 in stealth independent from your realm rank, as you get Mastery of Stealth VI with 35 in stealth. If you don't, then you will be much slower than other stealthers in your grp, loose stick all the time and be a pain in the ass to have around, as you slow everything down.

You are not the damage dealer of the grp anyways, so dont bother with 30 points in your weaponskill if you therefore can get stealth only to 33.

Stealth 35 is pretty much a must for a flexible Minstrel. You gain a lot for losing almost nothing at all.

And to answer your question directly: Always have Stealth on max, no matter if your weapon or your instrument is equipped.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:56 AM by Mavella

Yes keeping 35 spec stealth no matter the RR for 3% stealth movespeed is totally a sound decision. Especially when it keeps them from accessing Amethyst Slash as they rank up. All minsts should strive to be stun/mez/SoS/AM bitches for their stealth groups and nothing more.

3% movespeed doesn't mean shit if you're camping a location and if you're going to be traveling any considerable distance unstealth and travel at speed 6 like normal human beings.

Great advice. Seriously.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 8:46 AM by Gorgoroth

Mavella wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:56 AM
Yes keeping 35 spec stealth no matter the RR for 3% stealth movespeed is totally a sound decision. Especially when it keeps them from accessing Amethyst Slash as they rank up. All minsts should strive to be stun/mez/SoS/AM bitches for their stealth groups and nothing more.

3% movespeed doesn't mean shit if you're camping a location and if you're going to be traveling any considerable distance unstealth and travel at speed 6 like normal human beings.

Great advice. Seriously.

I'll say it again. As a Minst, you are not a damage dealer. The main damage source are your DD and your side Style if you can land it. If you have someone facing you, uppercut does almost as fine as Amethyst Slash does damage wise. If you, Dear Mavella, rather prefer a playstyle as a damage dealer, you are not making the best decision, by picking a Minstrel.

Furthermore, I don't see why you would have only the 2 options to camp a spot 100% stationary or run full speed unstealthed. Its not either or. If you like to be flexible with all the benefits and almost none of the drawbacks, you are well adviced to go 35 into stealth to get MoS VI. It does make a difference. It took quite a bit to convince me, but i make this advice not from a gut feeling

But you do you. You have your opinion and thats fine.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:13 AM by gotwqqd

Why not have a staff equipped with +7/8 stealth and insta swap it when attacking

Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:53 AM by Gorgoroth

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:13 AM
Why not have a staff equipped with +7/8 stealth and insta swap it when attacking

I think "trickery" like this will really annoy you fast, sooner than you can farm the necessary gold in order to spend it on your template to optimize it. My all max (main weapon free) Temp cost me approx 30p.

But there is one more thing to consider: I noticed that a Scout I had my grp fell behind, despite him having MoS VI and 50 stealth. Why did that happen? Apparently it matters how much stealth you have when going into stealth. If it's not max, you will not have the full benefit, if you max out Stealth after you stealthed by swapping gear you have equipped. We noticed this on Saturday or Sunday and I don't know if it works like intended or is a bug.

So honestly. Minstrel is an amazing class. Flexible for all possible teams as well as solo. You won't regret investing a bit more in a solid Template. I promise.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 3:16 PM by Keelia

Drop stealth get a pet

Wed 2 Oct 2019 7:27 AM by Gorgoroth

Keelia wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 3:16 PM
Drop stealth get a pet

You can have both, obviously. You @Keelia may not know it, as you seem to define your sole purpose on the forum here to post the most useless responses to any given topic (and got evidently warned for it by Uthred).

But ill gladly enlighten you:
Speccing Stealth gives you "Stealth".
Speccing "Instruments" gives you the "charm pet" ability.

As for playstyles, my argument stands. Yours is almost exclusively a waste of time, which I surprisingly enjoyed making fun of.

Cheers

Wed 2 Oct 2019 4:44 PM by Keelia

Gorgoroth wrote: ↑
Wed 2 Oct 2019 7:27 AM
Keelia wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 3:16 PM
Drop stealth get a pet

You can have both, obviously. You @Keelia may not know it, as you seem to define your sole purpose on the forum here to post the most useless responses to any given topic (and got evidently warned for it by Uthred).

But ill gladly enlighten you:
Speccing Stealth gives you "Stealth".
Speccing "Instruments" gives you the "charm pet" ability.

As for playstyles, my argument stands. Yours is almost exclusively a waste of time, which I surprisingly enjoyed making fun of.

Cheers

You may not know it, cause all you seem to do is post stupid information back at people. Specking 35 points in stealth could be spent in raising your weapon higher. Besides there’s like 2 good minstrels on this server, have yet to see more than that.

50 music 44 weapon is a far superior spec.

Sat 5 Oct 2019 5:22 PM by Freedomcall

If I were playing OF, I would go 50 inst 44 weapon too(to try that awesome wyvernfang).
But it is really hard to miss climbing wall in NF.
You sometimes take a tower quick even in so-called 8man grp.
And when you solo or zerg, climbing wall is almost a must in tower/keep battles.

But at the same time, missing amethyst slash is a big loss for minst imo.
Someone above mentioned uppercut, but let's compare anytime styles.

1. Uppercut : to-hit bonus +5, defensive bonus 0, GR 0.35
2. Enrage : to-hit bonus 0, defensive bonus -10, GR 0.59(taunt)
3. Amethyst Slash : to-hit bonus +20, defensive bonus 0, GR 0.6

The biggest advantage that Amethyst Slash has is that crazy +20 to-hit bonus.
You hardly MISS landing Amethyst Slash even with your low slashing spec.

So I personally think 50inst 29slashing 33stealth is a sweet spot.
Your stealth will still suck compared to ssins, and your moving speed is 3% slower than other sneaks(who usually spec 35+ stealth).
But 33stealth with +11 stealth gems will prevent a predator locating you from 1000 range away when you are stealthed.