Realm Timer - Phoenix Freeshard

@Staff: This realm timer got quite a lot of threads and prolly the only topic on which phoenix feels like Uthgard (opposing stubbornesss - or at least feels that way) rather then doing a gesture or casting a vote.

Why not a long ass vote over 2 months in game ?
If the vote ends up being tie, you don't do anything.
If 60% in favor of a reduction, you reduce it to 8h, if 70%, to 6h, if 80% to 4h and if more to 2h.
If the balance is in the opposite direction you increase the timer: 60% 16h, 70% 18h, 80% or more 1 day.

That way, I think it would be fair and put an end to the topic and frustration over it.

@Others: Please avoid being inflammatory, stay polite and have constructive arguments (I don't like it or I like it are not arguments).

Mon 30 Sep 2019 7:55 PM by cuuchulain79

Not long after NF was implemented, we heard more reasons beyond 'it won the vote' why the staff chose to implement it...technical reasons as well as an easier sandbox to change according to population. So, I think in order to have a vote, it needs to be an issue the staff already want to change.

Secondly, a lot of players that found the timer lame, have already left, or been banned...so even with a 'vote' you're only going to be getting feedback from people that have put up with it.

I guess if the staff are confident their player base agrees with them, maybe they'll allow a vote to stop people asking about it.

That's just my 2c, as Uthred is kind enough to point out, I gave up on this server...

Mon 30 Sep 2019 9:25 PM by Ardri

cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑
Mon 30 Sep 2019 7:55 PM
Not long after NF was implemented, we heard more reasons beyond 'it won the vote' why the staff chose to implement it...technical reasons as well as an easier sandbox to change according to population. So, I think in order to have a vote, it needs to be an issue the staff already want to change.

Secondly, a lot of players that found the timer lame, have already left, or been banned...so even with a 'vote' you're only going to be getting feedback from people that have put up with it.

I guess if the staff are confident their player base agrees with them, maybe they'll allow a vote to stop people asking about it.

That's just my 2c, as Uthred is kind enough to point out, I gave up on this server...

Don't quit now, you can still give up on the forums.

Mon 30 Sep 2019 9:43 PM by Keelia

Realm timer needs to go away and those banned for it need to be unbanned, might help the population.

Mon 30 Sep 2019 11:21 PM by elfwitch

I don't mind if the realm timer gets lowered to like 4hrs or so but completely removing it I'm against seeing how all that would allow is for people to easily spy on other realms. Oh this realm is setting up to take relics etc etc as a prime example of what will happen if it is ever completely removed.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 3:11 AM by Azrael

Chaskha wrote: phoenix feels like Uthgard

I can remember when they talked about the timer on uthgard and ppl would be so happy if it was only one day. You can never satisify ppl, they would complain if it's only 4 or 1 hour.

Chaskha wrote: put an end to the topic

afaik there was already an end but some ppl continue to open threads about the timer.

Keelia wrote: Realm timer needs to go away and those banned for it need to be unbanned, might help the population.

I do not see any point to unban ppl who break the rules multiple times.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:02 AM by Kurbsen

please have a serious internal discussion about the realm timer.. NA time is so bad. Its always one realm that always has more people and all those people are trying to zerg down the one group that runs on the other realm. A one hour realm switch timer will allow us to atleast have the chance of going to the underpopulated realm and getting some good fights in.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:12 AM by Sepplord

Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:02 AM
please have a serious internal discussion about the realm timer.. NA time is so bad. Its always one realm that always has more people and all those people are trying to zerg down the one group that runs on the other realm. A one hour realm switch timer will allow us to atleast have the chance of going to the underpopulated realm and getting some good fights in.

Sorry, but that argument is hardly believable since "going to the underpopulated realm" is only a problem when that underpop realm constantly switches. According to your own argument, it is always one realm dominating, so it should be easy to not play on that realm, regardless of the switch timer. According to others "that realm" seems to be midgard....so why do you stiull log in on midgard again and again if you know that it will be the overpop realm again?

I am not really against a shorter timer anymore, but it really seems as if you are arguing in bad faith here

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:25 AM by Kurbsen

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:12 AM
Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:02 AM
please have a serious internal discussion about the realm timer.. NA time is so bad. Its always one realm that always has more people and all those people are trying to zerg down the one group that runs on the other realm. A one hour realm switch timer will allow us to atleast have the chance of going to the underpopulated realm and getting some good fights in.

Sorry, but that argument is hardly believable since "going to the underpopulated realm" is only a problem when that underpop realm constantly switches. According to your own argument, it is always one realm dominating, so it should be easy to not play on that realm, regardless of the switch timer. According to others "that realm" seems to be midgard....so why do you stiull log in on midgard again and again if you know that it will be the overpop realm again?

I am not really against a shorter timer anymore, but it really seems as if you are arguing in bad faith here

nice try buddy. I play all three realms.. tonight I was on alb and there were more albs running 8's than anyone else. The action changes every night.. its impossible to predict which realm during NA time will have the more people. Giving a shorter realm timer, allows you to atleast attempt to create some more action. So your argument is "hardly believable" in my eyes. Not sure why theres such a big deal with a timer.. uthgard 1 - no timer, genesis - 30 min timer and both of those had a healthy freeshard lifespan.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:29 AM by Sepplord

Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:25 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:12 AM
Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:02 AM
please have a serious internal discussion about the realm timer.. NA time is so bad. Its always one realm that always has more people and all those people are trying to zerg down the one group that runs on the other realm. A one hour realm switch timer will allow us to atleast have the chance of going to the underpopulated realm and getting some good fights in.

Sorry, but that argument is hardly believable since "going to the underpopulated realm" is only a problem when that underpop realm constantly switches. According to your own argument, it is always one realm dominating, so it should be easy to not play on that realm, regardless of the switch timer. According to others "that realm" seems to be midgard....so why do you stiull log in on midgard again and again if you know that it will be the overpop realm again?

I am not really against a shorter timer anymore, but it really seems as if you are arguing in bad faith here

nice try buddy. I play all three realms.. tonight I was on alb and there were more albs running 8's than anyone else. The action changes every night.. its impossible to predict which realm during NA time will have the more people. Giving a shorter realm timer, allows you to atleast attempt to create some more action. So your argument is "hardly believable" in my eyes. Not sure why theres such a big deal with a timer.. uthgard 1 - no timer, genesis - 30 min timer and both of those had a healthy freeshard lifespan.

Its always one realm that always has more people

Your words, dude...not mine.
And i am not against a shorter timer, you apparently missed that part of my comment.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:36 AM by kiectred

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:29 AM
Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:25 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:12 AM
Sorry, but that argument is hardly believable since "going to the underpopulated realm" is only a problem when that underpop realm constantly switches. According to your own argument, it is always one realm dominating, so it should be easy to not play on that realm, regardless of the switch timer. According to others "that realm" seems to be midgard....so why do you stiull log in on midgard again and again if you know that it will be the overpop realm again?

I am not really against a shorter timer anymore, but it really seems as if you are arguing in bad faith here

nice try buddy. I play all three realms.. tonight I was on alb and there were more albs running 8's than anyone else. The action changes every night.. its impossible to predict which realm during NA time will have the more people. Giving a shorter realm timer, allows you to atleast attempt to create some more action. So your argument is "hardly believable" in my eyes. Not sure why theres such a big deal with a timer.. uthgard 1 - no timer, genesis - 30 min timer and both of those had a healthy freeshard lifespan.

Its always one realm that always has more people

Your words, dude...not mine.
And i am not against a shorter timer, you apparently missed that part of my comment.

It can be interpreted both ways. When I first read that, I read it as intended... 1 realm always dominates, but it's not always the same realm. If that's what he'd meant, it would've been more clearly stated.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:39 AM by Kurbsen

kiectred wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:36 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:29 AM
Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:25 AM
nice try buddy. I play all three realms.. tonight I was on alb and there were more albs running 8's than anyone else. The action changes every night.. its impossible to predict which realm during NA time will have the more people. Giving a shorter realm timer, allows you to atleast attempt to create some more action. So your argument is "hardly believable" in my eyes. Not sure why theres such a big deal with a timer.. uthgard 1 - no timer, genesis - 30 min timer and both of those had a healthy freeshard lifespan.

Its always one realm that always has more people

Your words, dude...not mine.
And i am not against a shorter timer, you apparently missed that part of my comment.

It can be interpreted both ways. When I first read that, I read it as intended... 1 realm always dominates, but it's not always the same realm. If that's what he'd meant, it would've been more clearly stated.

yes sorry, thought that was implied lol.. its getting late here.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:56 AM by beatrix

elfwitch wrote: ↑
Mon 30 Sep 2019 11:21 PM
I don't mind if the realm timer gets lowered to like 4hrs or so but completely removing it I'm against seeing how all that would allow is for people to easily spy on other realms. Oh this realm is setting up to take relics etc etc as a prime example of what will happen if it is ever completely removed.

Who cares about relics, people just want action lol. If someone is gonna spy, they will still find a way even with a 4 hour timer. Lot of people play all 3 realms, it's not hard to find a person you know on that realm through discord and see what's going on. However, I do agree lowering the timer just to a few hours or even an hour or two is better than completely removing it.

Phoenix staff, do you guys not see how incredibly horrible NA action is?

Tue 1 Oct 2019 7:04 AM by beatrix

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:12 AM
Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:02 AM
please have a serious internal discussion about the realm timer.. NA time is so bad. Its always one realm that always has more people and all those people are trying to zerg down the one group that runs on the other realm. A one hour realm switch timer will allow us to atleast have the chance of going to the underpopulated realm and getting some good fights in.

Sorry, but that argument is hardly believable since "going to the underpopulated realm" is only a problem when that underpop realm constantly switches. According to your own argument, it is always one realm dominating, so it should be easy to not play on that realm, regardless of the switch timer. According to others "that realm" seems to be midgard....so why do you stiull log in on midgard again and again if you know that it will be the overpop realm again?

I am not really against a shorter timer anymore, but it really seems as if you are arguing in bad faith here

I think he is trying to say that whatever realm it is, there is always going to be 1 realm that is the most populated during NA time. Like tonight for example, alb was the most populated so not having the possibility to switch realms to split action really hurts NA RvR.

I also agree with some other people in this thread, I think phoenix staff is being completely stubborn about the realm timer. This is a freeshard, population is always going to decline so why not help those that are still playing at least?

Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:20 AM by gotwqqd

Sounds like the solution (not perfect)
Is a link on this site or some indication on login of populations of each realm overall and in frontiers

Tue 1 Oct 2019 10:25 AM by Sepplord

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:20 AM
Sounds like the solution (not perfect)
Is a link on this site or some indication on login of populations of each realm overall and in frontiers

JFYI total online population is already displayed on the main-page
frontier pop not though

Tue 1 Oct 2019 11:36 AM by Keelia

beatrix wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:56 AM
elfwitch wrote: ↑
Mon 30 Sep 2019 11:21 PM
I don't mind if the realm timer gets lowered to like 4hrs or so but completely removing it I'm against seeing how all that would allow is for people to easily spy on other realms. Oh this realm is setting up to take relics etc etc as a prime example of what will happen if it is ever completely removed.

Who cares about relics, people just want action lol. If someone is gonna spy, they will still find a way even with a 4 hour timer. Lot of people play all 3 realms, it's not hard to find a person you know on that realm through discord and see what's going on. However, I do agree lowering the timer just to a few hours or even an hour or two is better than completely removing it.

Phoenix staff, do you guys not see how incredibly horrible NA action is?

They play mids and they love taking keeps in zergs, so to them the action is just fine. There’s always about 70+ Mids taking towers and keeps, you know PvEing and getting realm points for it. They need to lower the timer and unban people on a probationary basis in hopes of possibly restoring some population. For NA time this server is dead

Spies for the realm, people seriously don’t care that much. The only realm that can take a relic during NA time is mids and unless some big bonuses for being underpopulated is added that isn’t going to change any time soon. If you want you can spy now. Use your phones hotspot log in on other computer on a easily made google account. There you can spy. I’m sure people do it so changing the timer isn’t going to change anything in that aspect. Not to mention that there are MULTIPLE cross realm discord’s that pass information on any given night. It’s already being done, so that is an invalid excuse.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 12:05 PM by Killaloth

Having played a lot during EU prime time I didn't see the issues that can be caused by a 12h timer during NA time especially for people that want to run 8 man.

But if you log during NA time and it happens that one realm is rolling most of the 8 man you are killing the action.

So far I have been pro 12h timer but having played recently in a different time zone I see it can be painful.

However I'm not sure about the effects of reducing/removing the timer for zergs and zerg surfers. They are the majority of people playing the game and you don't want to bother the majority..

Perhaps running a trial period is the best option.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 12:54 PM by Keelia

Killaloth wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 12:05 PM
Having played a lot during EU prime time I didn't see the issues that can be caused by a 12h timer during NA time especially for people that want to run 8 man.

But if you log during NA time and it happens that one realm is rolling most of the 8 man you are killing the action.

So far I have been pro 12h timer but having played recently in a different time zone I see it can be painful.

However I'm not sure about the effects of reducing/removing the timer for zergs and zerg surfers. They are the majority of people playing the game and you don't want to bother the majority..

Perhaps running a trial period is the best option.

You now see the pain that is NA time.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 6:16 PM by desp

12 hours timer is too long as i think.
Im sleep about 4-6 hours so if im wanna switch realm and played before for another realm, im waiting extra 6-8 hours after sleep.
Spying or DF farming have same affect from 12 hours or from 4 hours times. You cannot log into enemy realm for a whole time. Xrealmers and discord spies dont affected by timer anyway.
Please reduce timer to more HUMAN related time break such as sleep (4-6 hours).

Tue 1 Oct 2019 8:19 PM by chryso

Keelia wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 7:55 PM
You all better do something ArchAge unchained coming out soon and people want something shiny and new.

Have fun with that.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:02 PM by

Uthred

Going to lock this thread now but we will have news for you very soon.