Please make Toughness RA appealing.

thx!

Sun 29 Sep 2019 4:16 AM by Freedomcall

You can't be serious.

Sun 29 Sep 2019 4:53 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Sun 29 Sep 2019 4:16 AM
You can't be serious.

Be fair, unless you're dumping at least 10 points into it, it's pretty lackluster; it really does get awesome if you can afford to max it out though. I mean, 34 realm skill points to absorb almost one whole extra debuffed spell! Wooo! You're unstoppable at that point.

Sun 29 Sep 2019 5:17 AM by Freedomcall

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sun 29 Sep 2019 4:53 AM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Sun 29 Sep 2019 4:16 AM
You can't be serious.

Be fair, unless you're dumping at least 10 points into it, it's pretty lackluster; it really does get awesome if you can afford to max it out though. I mean, 34 realm skill points to absorb almost one whole extra debuffed spell! Wooo! You're unstoppable at that point.

If I were unfair, I would've agreed to making toughness more 'appealing'.
Thank you. More HP for me woo-hoo!

Sun 29 Sep 2019 6:37 AM by easytoremember

Run around without 200 hits in your template and watch your hp seem to vaporize.
Toughness VI is -l-i-k-e- adding 200 to your hits cap for 15 rsp, and then another 200 for 19 rsp.
Adding 50 hits for 2rsp is 25% of the hits cap,
75 4 rsp 37.5%
100 7 rep 50%
150 10 rsp 75%
200 15 rsp 100%
250 20 rsp 125%
325 27 rsp 162.5%
400 34 rsp 200%

What you should have asked instead was ramping up the amount you get from higher level Augmented CON since the gains there are complete piss (most classes see 11-12 hp from 4 CON, so 132-143 from 48 CON for 34rsp, ~65% hits cap)
For that matter any of the Aug stat RAs have bad returns passed III. Really bad returns

Sun 29 Sep 2019 1:21 PM by Cadebrennus

There's a chart somewhere showing the optimal Toughness+Aug Con per RPs available.

Mon 30 Sep 2019 6:49 AM by Sepplord

yeah as mentioned before...toughness isn't THAT bad

aug con though...

Mon 30 Sep 2019 10:28 AM by Cadebrennus

Source:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/threads/toughness-vs-aug-con.202472/

"If it isn't quite exact, it should be VERY close to how much your inf would gain with each purchase combination. The two skipped combinations (Tough 3, Con 3 and Tough 4, Con 4) were left out intentionally, as they'll always be inferior to the listed path by either cost, output or both.

1pt Tough 1 25 hps
2pt Tough 1, Con 1 39 hps
4pt Tough 2 75 hps
5pt Tough 2, Con 1 89 hps
8pt Tough 2, Con 2 104 hps
10pt Tough 3 150 hps
11pt Tough 3, Con 1 164 hps
14pt Tough 3, Con 2 193 hps
20pt Tough 4 250 hps
21pt Tough 4, Con 1 264 hps
24pt Tough 4, Con 2 293 hps
30pt Tough 4, Con 3 329 hps
34pt Tough 5 400 hps
35pt Tough 5, Con 1 414 hps
38pt Tough 5, Con 2 443 hps
44pt Tough 5, Con 3 479 hps
54pt Tough 5, Con 4 523 hps
68pt Tough 5, Con 5 574 hps

Given that, I'd have to say that it appear Tough3 is the most efficient investment if you want to conserve RPs, and Tough4+Con2 is probably the highest point to stop at if you want the highest HP return possible without getting into absurd RP costs."

Quoted from Bahamut 24AUG2006
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/members/bahumat.5017/

Mon 30 Sep 2019 1:12 PM by Roto23

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 30 Sep 2019 10:28 AM
Source:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/threads/toughness-vs-aug-con.202472/

"If it isn't quite exact, it should be VERY close to how much your inf would gain with each purchase combination. The two skipped combinations (Tough 3, Con 3 and Tough 4, Con 4) were left out intentionally, as they'll always be inferior to the listed path by either cost, output or both.

1pt Tough 1 25 hps
2pt Tough 1, Con 1 39 hps
4pt Tough 2 75 hps
5pt Tough 2, Con 1 89 hps
8pt Tough 2, Con 2 104 hps
10pt Tough 3 150 hps
11pt Tough 3, Con 1 164 hps
14pt Tough 3, Con 2 193 hps
20pt Tough 4 250 hps
21pt Tough 4, Con 1 264 hps
24pt Tough 4, Con 2 293 hps
30pt Tough 4, Con 3 329 hps
34pt Tough 5 400 hps
35pt Tough 5, Con 1 414 hps
38pt Tough 5, Con 2 443 hps
44pt Tough 5, Con 3 479 hps
54pt Tough 5, Con 4 523 hps
68pt Tough 5, Con 5 574 hps

Given that, I'd have to say that it appear Tough3 is the most efficient investment if you want to conserve RPs, and Tough4+Con2 is probably the highest point to stop at if you want the highest HP return possible without getting into absurd RP costs."

Quoted from Bahamut 24AUG2006
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/members/bahumat.5017/

Tough 5 & con 5 = 20 points not 68 points. Your chart needs to be new RA-able

Mon 30 Sep 2019 2:24 PM by Cadebrennus

Roto23 wrote: ↑
Mon 30 Sep 2019 1:12 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 30 Sep 2019 10:28 AM
Source:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/threads/toughness-vs-aug-con.202472/

"If it isn't quite exact, it should be VERY close to how much your inf would gain with each purchase combination. The two skipped combinations (Tough 3, Con 3 and Tough 4, Con 4) were left out intentionally, as they'll always be inferior to the listed path by either cost, output or both.

1pt Tough 1 25 hps
2pt Tough 1, Con 1 39 hps
4pt Tough 2 75 hps
5pt Tough 2, Con 1 89 hps
8pt Tough 2, Con 2 104 hps
10pt Tough 3 150 hps
11pt Tough 3, Con 1 164 hps
14pt Tough 3, Con 2 193 hps
20pt Tough 4 250 hps
21pt Tough 4, Con 1 264 hps
24pt Tough 4, Con 2 293 hps
30pt Tough 4, Con 3 329 hps
34pt Tough 5 400 hps
35pt Tough 5, Con 1 414 hps
38pt Tough 5, Con 2 443 hps
44pt Tough 5, Con 3 479 hps
54pt Tough 5, Con 4 523 hps
68pt Tough 5, Con 5 574 hps

Given that, I'd have to say that it appear Tough3 is the most efficient investment if you want to conserve RPs, and Tough4+Con2 is probably the highest point to stop at if you want the highest HP return possible without getting into absurd RP costs."

Quoted from Bahamut 24AUG2006
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/members/bahumat.5017/

Tough 5 & con 5 = 20 points not 68 points. Your chart needs to be new RA-able

Ya it's old. That's also why I referenced the date it was posted, in order to avoid confusion. Perhaps it is a starting point for someone to do an updated version?

Mon 30 Sep 2019 2:42 PM by Roto23

My bad, I thought you made that chart and not referenced it.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 12:59 AM by Pogow

in what scenario does 400hp make a difference, even high rank tank will take magical resists over this.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 2:06 AM by easytoremember

1pt Con I 14
1pt Tough I 25
2pt Con II 28
2pt Tough I, Con I 39
4pt Con III 42
2pt Tough II 50
3pt Tough I, Con II 53
7pt Con IV 59
5pt Tough II, Con I 64
5pt Tough I, Con III 67
4pt Tough III 75
10pt Con V 77
4pt Tough II, Con II 78
8pt Tough I, Con IV 81
5pt Tough III, Con I 89
6pt Tough II, Con III 92
15pt Con VI 98
7pt Tough IV 100
11pt Tough I, Con V 102
6pt Tough III, Con II 103
9pt Tough II, Con IV 109
16pt Tough I, Con VI 113
8pt Tough IV, Con I 114
16pt Tough VI, Con I 114
8pt Tough III, Con III 117
20pt Con VII 118
12pt Tough II, Con V 127
9pt Tough IV, Con II 128
17pt Tough VI, Con II 128
11pt Tough III, Con IV 134
11pt Tough IV, Con III 142
19pt Tough VI, Con III 142
27pt Con VIII 142
21pt Tough I, Con VII 143
17pt Tough II, Con VI 148
10pt Tough V 150
14pt Tough III, Con V 152
14pt Tough IV, Con IV 159
22pt Tough VI, Con IV 159
11pt Tough V, Con I 164
28pt Tough I, Con VIII 167
22pt Tough II, Con VII 168
34pt Con IX 168
19pt Tough III, Con VI 173
17pt Tough IV, Con V 177
12pt Tough V, Con II 178
14pt Tough V, Con III 192
29pt Tough II, Con VIII 192
35pt Tough I, Con IX 193
24pt Tough III, Con VII 195
22pt Tough IV, Con VI 198
15pt Tough VI 200
17pt Tough V, Con IV 209
27pt Tough IV, Con VII 218
36pt Tough II, Con IX 218
31pt Tough III, Con VIII 219
20pt Tough V, Con V 227
34pt Tough IV, Con VIII 242
38pt Tough III, Con IX 243
25pt Tough V, Con VI 248
20pt Tough VII 250
21pt Tough VII, Con I 264
30pt Tough V, Con VII 268
41pt Tough IV, Con IX 268
25pt Tough VI, Con V 277
22pt Tough VII, Con II 278
24pt Tough VII, Con III 292
37pt Tough V, Con VIII 292
30pt Tough VI, Con VI 298
27pt Tough VII, Con IV 309
35pt Tough VI, Con VII 318
44pt Tough V, Con IX 318
27pt Tough VIII 325
28pt Tough VIII, Con I 339
42pt Tough VI, Con VIII 342
29pt Tough VIII, Con II 353
31pt Tough VIII, Con III 367
49pt Tough VI, Con IX 368
34pt Tough VIII, Con IV 384
34pt Tough IX 400
37pt Tough VIII, Con V 402
35pt Tough IX, Con I 414
35pt Tough VII, Con VI 423
42pt Tough VIII, Con VI 423
36pt Tough IX, Con II 428
38pt Tough IX, Con III 442
40pt Tough VII, Con VII 443
47pt Tough VIII, Con VII 443
41pt Tough IX, Con IV 459
47pt Tough VII, Con VIII 467
54pt Tough VIII, Con VIII 467
44pt Tough IX, Con V 477
54pt Tough VII, Con IX 493
61pt Tough VIII, Con IX 493
49pt Tough IX, Con VI 498
54pt Tough IX, Con VII 518
61pt Tough IX, Con VIII 542
68pt Tough IX, Con IX 568

Using 4 CON = 14 hits
Red font combos are obseleted by cheaper ones with higher hit yields

Tue 15 Oct 2019 5:17 AM by Ardri

Most get 3.6hp per con. Tanks get 4.4 and casters get 2.8. Based on 3.6, it's best to go tough 5, then con 2, then tough 9, then con 9, in that order.