Why are people still complaining about the same age old arguments?

Started 14 Aug 2018
by Gohanssj
in RvR
First off, this game is super old. there are some newer players. and some kids of older players etc. but for the most part people are at least late 20's early 30's. So grow up.

8v8: I don't understand why people still complain about this? It's always been a part of the game and with 18 years knowledge people can and will optimize it. If you don't like it, don't fight them, all you need is speed 5 plus sprint and guess what? they can't catch you. Most of the "Elite" 8v8 guilds won't chase you across 3 zones. The real problem is pugs trying to emulate them, no point going for a twinked pug set up when you have no chemistry so stop trying to be so high and mighty and take the damn thane.

Adding: Again, why is this still being discussed? Remember. this is not PvE. there are real people behind every character. You constantly add on them, guess what? they'll repay you for it. Regardless of 8v8 or 1v1, if you want to add, add. That's part of the game everyone accepts. But if you're going for the cheap realm points and they stop fighting and turn on you, or let them kill you if the same realm, you had it coming. you have no leg to stand on. If you saw 2 random people fighting on a street and run in fists whirling, they would probably also stop and be like wtf dude?

This one works both ways, why are people still shocked/angry when people add? I personally respect 1v1's (don't really get involved in the 8v8 game but the concept is the same) but if I see a realm mate getting 2v1'ed I'll add to make it 2v2 (unless they're clearly winning already). The people that complain to the winds about being added on are 9/10 happy to 8v1 some poor soloer. How is that any better?

Stealthers: People moaning about stealthers camping PKs cracks me up, where else should they go? Should they solo FGs in Emain? or fight at the mile gates to 100% get added on by FGs? Yes sitting outside killing xpers is lame, we've all had that moment when you PA a yellow con and he turns green and you feel sad for about 2 seconds. Then you're like ah well. But most of the best fights I've had is after killing a caster or something then other stealthers come looking for me. If you're in and RvR zone, expect to be killed, even if you're grey.

Grey ganking: Again personally. I don't do it. I don't see the fun or appeal and it's essentially griefing in my book. BUT...... again RvR zone etc. I've had to kill greys that have added on my fights, Stunned me tried to nuke me etc, but I don't engage them. Some people do as a preemptive measure as a grey can 100% lose you a fight. If you're the sort of grey they adds on a fight you see to get a few rps to make leveling easy, you can't expect not to die. That said, which grey isn't that sort of grey?? Also some people (again see stealthers at PKs) will kill a grey to bait out a stealther to look for them, I'm sure it's nothing personal (again not my style, I like to hug greys).

This is easily the best shard around, great team that are making excellent changes, good QoL balance, good class and realm balance, PvE not too much of a grind but not too easy. Crafting isn't hell on earth, RP penalty for FG while bonuses for solo/small man, Kepp take incentives etc.etc.etc. The list goes on and on. Whatever your play style this server has made life better for you. So stop whining like ungrateful little shits and play the game.


TLR

Grow up sack up shut up
Tue 14 Aug 2018 12:39 PM by Danaeh
+1000
Tue 14 Aug 2018 12:56 PM by Cirath
People like to whine. some more than others 😀
Tue 14 Aug 2018 2:23 PM by heardstheword
What's the purpose of this thread?
Tue 14 Aug 2018 3:26 PM by Gohanssj
To end famine
Wed 15 Aug 2018 5:27 AM by Armsmancer
TL;DR

Why do people talk about topics A - F , also, my complaints on topics A - F.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 7:20 AM by Kha
Well, it didn't take long to find out this forum turns into the uthgard one with as follow people complaining about :

RvR is too difficult / not fair
Xp in RvR is too hard, people gank you
PVE is too difficult, too many feathers required to buy stuff
No speed for all classes ..
Some classes are too strong
etc etc etc.

That's what made me give up on uth's forum before i even give up on the server itself.
I guess what those people want is an easy game, like wow. Not classic daoc... (With already tones of good QOL thx phoenix)
Wed 15 Aug 2018 11:51 AM by relvinian
This is a forum where people talk about the game.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:04 PM by Gohanssj
relvinian wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 11:51 AM
This is a forum where people talk about the game.

not sure who that reply is to or the relevance of it etc. But I'll bite; People aren't "discussing" anything. They are demanding changes, bans, rulesets etc to suit them and claiming anyone that doesn't fit their playstyle is ruining the server (this happens on all sides, add don't add 8v8 don't 8v8 everyone seems to think they are something special)
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:12 PM by Geek
Gohanssj wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:04 PM
relvinian wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 11:51 AM
This is a forum where people talk about the game.

not sure who that reply is to or the relevance of it etc. But I'll bite; People aren't "discussing" anything. They are demanding changes, bans, rulesets etc to suit them and claiming anyone that doesn't fit their playstyle is ruining the server (this happens on all sides, add don't add 8v8 don't 8v8 everyone seems to think they are something special)

It's really only two people. One starts with an R and the other starts with a Q. Constant complaining and "disussing" why toons they don't play seem to be OP and how everything needs changing and balancing.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:21 PM by Quik
Geek wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:12 PM
Gohanssj wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:04 PM
relvinian wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 11:51 AM
This is a forum where people talk about the game.

not sure who that reply is to or the relevance of it etc. But I'll bite; People aren't "discussing" anything. They are demanding changes, bans, rulesets etc to suit them and claiming anyone that doesn't fit their playstyle is ruining the server (this happens on all sides, add don't add 8v8 don't 8v8 everyone seems to think they are something special)

It's really only two people. One starts with an R and the other starts with a Q. Constant complaining and "disussing" why toons they don't play seem to be OP and how everything needs changing and balancing.

Everything the OP wrote down is exactly the same things I have arguing FOR.

You really don't read many of my posts if you think I am just sitting and whining.

Some classes are so OP they are broken. I'm guessing you play a Minnie which is why you seem infatuated with following me =). If people can't see that some classes are simply OP and other classes are simply in the dumpster and need help I feel bad for you. The point of a game like this is to try to make everything as balanced as possible. All 3 realms balanced and all classes balanced for what they are suppose to do. The odds of this happening are slim to none, but that is what everyone should work to.

The classes I play are certainly not OP unless you want to count the Ani I took to 50, and I even argued that they needed some work to limit them, which Phoenix did.

Geek, don't start lying and putting words into my mouth as I have NEVER complained a class I play is underpowered. EVER. I have played a lot of classes and I have argued some need help and some need toned down.

Your problem is you have a class or 2 you like BECAUSE it is OP and you get mad when someone calls it out.

Learn to read a little more and try to be a little more open minded, the game is for everyone, not just you.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:38 PM by Geek
Quik wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:21 PM
Defensive post

I play a Cab, a Necro and an Inf. Once in Hib, I'll play NS. I have a low-level minstrel who gets resisted all the time. That's why I chimed in, and also because I hate hearing people whine about something that's been around forever. It is what it is. Carry on with your agenda.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:42 PM by Quik
So your necro you have here...do you see a difference in how he plays?

They have adjusted the necro here to be a WHOLE lot better than before. Using your logic since it was always the old way they should take out the nice changes they have?

On a side note, if you can answer a question without attacking, has the necro always had the resists that I seem to find here? My necro at lvl 13 fighting yellows, says the resist rate should be like 13% but I am getting more like 25-35%. When I fight blues it should be like 8% and it is still 25%+.

People in game say this is normal but I don't remember the resists being so high.

On most yellows I pull with 3 power taps then just use the lifedrain as a Sight necro. Out of a total of 12 casts I usually get about 4 total resists and this is almost every pull and on a mob that should have around 11-13% resist rate. Either something is messed up or I have the worst RNG possible...
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:54 PM by Geek
Quik wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 4:42 PM
So your necro you have here...do you see a difference in how he plays?

They have adjusted the necro here to be a WHOLE lot better than before. Using your logic since it was always the old way they should take out the nice changes they have?

On a side note, if you can answer a question without attacking, has the necro always had the resists that I seem to find here? My necro at lvl 13 fighting yellows, says the resist rate should be like 13% but I am getting more like 25-35%. When I fight blues it should be like 8% and it is still 25%+.

People in game say this is normal but I don't remember the resists being so high.

On most yellows I pull with 3 power taps then just use the lifedrain as a Sight necro. Out of a total of 12 casts I usually get about 4 total resists and this is almost every pull and on a mob that should have around 11-13% resist rate. Either something is messed up or I have the worst RNG possible...

I have the same resists on necro that I remember on Live. If you want to say you're getting resisted more than you remember, you need to do tests and come back with hard evidence. I don't mean saying you're resisting. I mean documenting 1000 casts and calculate the percentage of resists. Only then will people truly see what you're talking about. For me, my necro gets resisted as normal and I still blow through yellows and OJs. Only when I take down reds do the resists increase.

And I'm not attacking you. I don't agree with your proposal. That's all. I came with a solution to increase to the resist rate for minstrels when they charm high-level mobs. Your solution, if I'm correct, is to limit them to OJ or same-level mobs. I disagree and most people would too. Don't take offense. You don't have to agree with me either.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 5:06 PM by Quik
My personal choice would be to limit to OJ mobs.

I have no issue with raising the resist rates as long as it is noticeable.

And you HAVE been attacking me by calling me a whiner and complainer in your last few posts when in fact I have been asking for the same thing as I am right now.

I think Minnies are OP with purple pets and your immediate response was I am a whiner because of this.

I say I see them with Grand Pookhas and you ask for screen shots, even though numerous other people have mentioned the same exact issue.

And as for necro, I don't claim to know a lot about them, the resist rate is just high to me. It is most certainly higher then on my cabby using dots or my RM using snare+dd, but if this is normal I will work with it. I just didn't think it would be as noticeable as it is to me.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 5:20 PM by Geek
Quik wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 5:06 PM
My personal choice would be to limit to OJ mobs.

I have no issue with raising the resist rates as long as it is noticeable.

And you HAVE been attacking me by calling me a whiner and complainer in your last few posts when in fact I have been asking for the same thing as I am right now.

Raising the resists isn't something I think is right; it's just something I think may stop the complaining. Limiting it to OJ mobs isn't something I think even the devs would consider. As for calling you a whiner and a complainer, I don't view it as attacking. I view it as what you are doing. Just as I'm sure you think I'm an a$$h0le for saying it. Doesn't bother me. I just notice a lot of your posts are complaining about things, or maybe I should say, questioning things to the point you want the devs to change them to what you think is right.

Either way, I mean no offense. I just don't agree with most anything you say. Disagree with me. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 5:33 PM by Kha
Does he realize the paradox between his own agenda and his own signature ? Shall we tell him ?

It's a game and a game is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, not just a select few who want everyone to play their way!

Then proceed to tell everyone how HE thinks they should play, and what HE thinks they shouldn't be able to do, and even tell Devs how to balance their own creation.


This is turning pathetic, you remind me of the burglekutt from uth forum.
Don't waste more time answering imo.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 6:18 PM by Quik
It's a game and a game is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, not just a select few who want everyone to play their way!

This is how every game should be.

Everyone here is posting ideas and suggestions they like and that is how it should be. Everyone is allowed an opinion.

Attacking someone because of an opinion is what's sad.

If you don't like the idea then post your own.

I don't claim to understand every class in the game, but I do understand that one class right now stands way above the rest. Minnies are in a very OP state right now and it is pretty obvious that the people that don't want them changed are wanting to play them when it goes live and that is understandable. Everyone would like their class to be OP to have the most fun.

On a freeshard where you will have a few thousand players at launch and then you will lose some as they decide if they like or dislike the game, having a single OP class like the Minnie right now will most certainly turn people away.

Every class should have a balancing act they follow.

Want to bring up BD's? Ok, yes they are powerful in smallmans, of course if you have a mez you can kill BD's easy by eliminating their pets. It is easy to mez the BD's pets. Now you have a once every 4 second lifetap class to deal with and without his pets he isn't nearly as tough. His healing pet is what makes him so nasty here.

Minnie is a bit different. Trying to mez a lvl 64 pet is almost impossible and most certainly will fail most of the time. That same 64 pet can wipe a 3-4 small man group pretty easy and a bigger group if played right.

Tell me another class that can come in solo and easily wipe a 3-4 man group and sometimes even bigger? NO SINGLE CLASS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS PERIOD.

The game is about balance...1v1 or 1v2 multiple classes should have a decent chance against another class. This doesn't happen with a Minnie running around with a 64 pet.

And see how I did this? I presented my argument without attacking anyone or using name calling =)
Wed 15 Aug 2018 7:06 PM by Geek
Quik wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 6:18 PM
And see how I did this? I presented my argument without attacking anyone or using name calling =)

Now you're being passive aggressive. =)

I think I'm going to level the minstrel more and see how the resists are as I gain levels. I know at my current level the pet resists me all the time. If it's not the same as you get higher up, then I will agree there's a problem. My only argument is that minstrels can, should, and have always been able to charm higher-level mobs. I wish a dev would chime in and say whether or not they'll cap charming at OJ-only levels. I really don't think they will.
Wed 15 Aug 2018 8:11 PM by relvinian
I make suggestions on suggestion forum. I discuss general trends in tavern and rvr stuff in the rvr forum.

When brainstorming you throw out ideas and hope that the best ones get used.

Some of my ideas get used and some don't.

In an environment where the players are listened to you will eventually get a good server.

In an environment where the players are ignored you will get an empty one.

As to me and Quik? Don't agree with everything he says but I agree he has the right to say anything he wants on these forums
Wed 15 Aug 2018 8:30 PM by Quik
Geek wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 7:06 PM
Quik wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018 6:18 PM
And see how I did this? I presented my argument without attacking anyone or using name calling =)

Now you're being passive aggressive. =)

I think I'm going to level the minstrel more and see how the resists are as I gain levels. I know at my current level the pet resists me all the time. If it's not the same as you get higher up, then I will agree there's a problem. My only argument is that minstrels can, should, and have always been able to charm higher-level mobs. I wish a dev would chime in and say whether or not they'll cap charming at OJ-only levels. I really don't think they will.

I actually decided to make one just to see it from the other side.

As for what they can charm, last thing I read was that the dev's were still debating on what they are going to do.

I side with you on this though, I wish dev's would make a statement on their plans. Even if it is still being debated internally, let us know.
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