Need more RvR events

Started 6 Sep 2019
by beatrix
in Suggestions
Phoenix had some cool events previously but I'm not sure why there isn't more events. As of lately, there is just tons of zerging and keep taking. For example, I was on 2 nights ago during NA time and my guild had a keep claimed and literally all the albs that was in the frontiers was at the keep (77 albs on the keep and on /u it says 77 people in frontiers for alb). It's just sad that people do not break from the zerg. I did vote for new frontiers but I did not expect this much zerging and keep/tower taking. I feel now with new frontiers it has promoted more zerging and more keep/tower taking. I also feel that the increased amount of realm points, bounty points, and feathers that a player gets from the keep/tower is what is encouraging people to keep doing it.

If the staff wants to keep new frontiers the way it is then that's fine but please take into consideration other people that do not like zerging and keep/tower taking. I'm well aware of the small man areas but did you guys consider things like anyone can just go there? I've only had a few decent fights there but with the remaining fights we always had 8 mans adding, zergs adding, and others adding as well. Most of the time you never even find fights there because no one really goes there. I'm also aware of EV but really who goes there? The rare 8 mans? EV seems to be the place only for arranged fights.

This is why I'm asking if it's possible to add in more events every now and then in order to help promote more RvR. Is there any chance Phoenix could bring back some previous events like the 8v8 event, the 3v3 event (favorite), etc. I do want to mention about the one event Phoenix had where it was 8v8, 6v6, 4v4, 3v3, 2v2, 1v1 - it was a great idea but due to current population it was splitting up people so there wasn't enough people to do each one. I think it would be better just to have one event dedicated to either 8v8 or 4v4 or 3v3, etc. That way there will be more people to fight against.

I'm also not sure about this weekends event. I don't know how this is promoting RvR. Who wants to kill a GM when they can kill enemies? But hey who am I to complain, there's finally an event right? :p

One last thing. I know it's been mentioned plenty of times but I am one to agree with most people that the 12 hour realm switch timer is too long. Population has dropped, many people have gone to World of Warcraft, I just don't see the reason for having such a long timer. It really sucks to have to stick to 1 realm the whole day because you have to literally wait 12 full hours before you can switch. I also don't believe the timer helps to balance all 3 realms in population, if anything it actually makes it hard to balance the population. Giving us the chance to play other realms in the same day will balance the population on each realm since usually it tends to be zerg heavy in one realm. Not only that, but it will split people from having to zerg and keep/tower take.

I really hope Phoenix will take into consideration some of the points I made. I know some things are repetitive from what others wrote but I felt the need to express my concerns and I hope that there will be some changes in regards to RvR and the timer in the near future. And if not, I guess it is what it is. Thanks for at least hearing me out.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:25 AM by carlwinslow
I agree realm timer is too long, imagine you log in to see that your realm has 100 more people in rvr and is completely owning the frontiers then I am gonna wish I could switch to help the realm that needs help. From waht I recall the gm's argument was that if the timer is too short people will all wanna go to one realm to zerg everything... The one sided zerg thing is already happening pretty consistently although it shifts from realm to realm. We have no power to balance it naturally ourselves, stuck with a 12 hour timer. I think right now is the appropriate time to drop the timer to 3-4 hours to help get population back from wow. Allow the players a vote at least if you actually care what we think. I haven't talked to a single person who likes the 12 hour timer, thanks.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:28 AM by Kurbsen
+1 reduce the switch timer. NA times are just too dead lately, its starting to feel like genesis in its end days.


Also I agree the 3v3 event was prob one of the most exciting events and there should be more of these.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:55 AM by easytoremember
carlwinslow wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:25 AM
I agree realm timer is too long, imagine you log in to see that your realm has 100 more people in rvr and is completely owning the frontiers
People switch from the losing team, not to it
Reactionaries that log in, log out, switch realm, log in ironically end up stacking the population to the realm they're switching to

When it was up Eden showcased this well but they had a pvp zone that was always full
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:57 AM by carlwinslow
Just because that happened on Live does not mean it would happen here, they should have a test run at least. 2 weeks with a shorter timer just like how they had a test run of NF.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 1:27 AM by shintacki
I personally would always prefer to play the realm that's underpopulated. It's pretty satisfying to get 50% bonus rps, and I don't run in the Zerg so losing every Zerg fight doesn't bother me.

+1 for realm timer decrease and +1 for the XvX events coming back. The arena was pretty fun last time
Fri 6 Sep 2019 1:30 AM by beatrix
easytoremember wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:55 AM
carlwinslow wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 12:25 AM
I agree realm timer is too long, imagine you log in to see that your realm has 100 more people in rvr and is completely owning the frontiers
People switch from the losing team, not to it
Reactionaries that log in, log out, switch realm, log in ironically end up stacking the population to the realm they're switching to

When it was up Eden showcased this well but they had a pvp zone that was always full

That's not true easytore. Do you know how many times me and my guild/friends wanted to switch to the lowest population realm to RvR but couldn't because we already logged in another realm? It blows. Keep in mind that a realm that is heavily zerging and owning the frontiers does not necessarily mean they are the winning team, they just have the numbers to do it. This goes to show that there is already unbalance in population on this server. You can't assume that what happened on live may happen here. Not everyone switches from the losing team, people like me want competition and action hence why the timer should be reduced or at least add more RvR events.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 1:37 AM by Soapbox
I like the idea of more RvR events like the 3v3 instance, but only if they're sporadic. We have a smaller pop with school starting up again, and wow classic not having fallen off yet. I don't think we should split up the population on a consistent basis, it's just not big enough right now. I think we're in agreement on that.

As far as PvEing keep takes goes, I feel like this is partly a BG leadership problem. The BG leaders are prioritizing these keep takes over others because it's what is easiest, gets the realm points, and keeps enough people satisfied, it's just what they wanna do, and/or a bunch of other reasons. BG leaders CAN choose to prioritize fights in open field, tower farms, keep farms, etc. They choose not to for multiple reasons. One of which is the incentives from the tasks to take the keeps and towers, andI think the tasks rewards should be adjusted.

I ran the BG for the first time on this server today, and we did a pretty good set up in Bled Spire and farmed a little bit with hibs owning Nottmoor port and albs owning Bledmeer port. I was hoping to continue the farm after pushing hibs out, but we had a breakdown in communications with new mids taking the tower after pushing the hibs, nbd. However, I prioritize what I wanna do, which is not PvE keeps. I also don't place value in the RPs, I place value in people having fun in my BGs. We PVE'd Arv and Blend keeps back because Midgard was a mess, and I feel some loyalty on having Midgard blue. We did have a fun time with the siege at Nott with the hibs inside and the siege at Bled with albs inside.

I don't want to lower the realm jump timer, but that's partly me being self-centered. I only play Midgard. If it can be shown that a lower realm jump timer is healthy for the game, I'm up for it.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 2:00 AM by beatrix
Soapbox wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 1:37 AM
I like the idea of more RvR events like the 3v3 instance, but only if they're sporadic. We have a smaller pop with school starting up again, and wow classic not having fallen off yet. I don't think we should split up the population on a consistent basis, it's just not big enough right now. I think we're in agreement on that.

As far as PvEing keep takes goes, I feel like this is partly a BG leadership problem. The BG leaders are prioritizing these keep takes over others because it's what is easiest, gets the realm points, and keeps enough people satisfied, it's just what they wanna do, and/or a bunch of other reasons. BG leaders CAN choose to prioritize fights in open field, tower farms, keep farms, etc. They choose not to for multiple reasons. One of which is the incentives from the tasks to take the keeps and towers, andI think the tasks rewards should be adjusted.

I ran the BG for the first time on this server today, and we did a pretty good set up in Bled Spire and farmed a little bit with hibs owning Nottmoor port and albs owning Bledmeer port. I was hoping to continue the farm after pushing hibs out, but we had a breakdown in communications with new mids taking the tower after pushing the hibs, nbd. However, I prioritize what I wanna do, which is not PvE keeps. I also don't place value in the RPs, I place value in people having fun in my BGs. We PVE'd Arv and Blend keeps back because Midgard was a mess, and I feel some loyalty on having Midgard blue. We did have a fun time with the siege at Nott with the hibs inside and the siege at Bled with albs inside.

I don't want to lower the realm jump timer, but that's partly me being self-centered. I only play Midgard. If it can be shown that a lower realm jump timer is healthy for the game, I'm up for it.


Having more RvR events is not necessarily splitting up population, it's for those that want real fights, fair fights, away from all the zerging and keep/tower taking. It gives players like me a break from the never ending repetitive zerg and keep/tower taking. The last RvR event we had was months ago.

It doesn't matter what the BG leader wants, the point is because there IS a BG leader, people join for the free easy rps because numbers is what wins in RvR and people knows that if they join a zerg then they will make rps. However, not everyone wants to join a zerg Soap, not everyone wants to do RvR related to keeps and towers.

If you had characters in all 3 realms like I do then maybe you would understand how it sucks to be on the most overpopulated realm in RvR for that day. I'm not a person that is into realm pride hence why I leveled 50s in each realm, I play where there is good action for me and my guild/friends. If there is no decent action for us then we end up logging, simple as that. So yeah, reducing the timer would help and make a big change in regards to that.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 3:08 AM by ExcretusMaximus
You guys are all acting like you can only log in to see which realm is the lowest population, locking you into whatever realm you logged in on.

Here's an idea, look at the front page of the website before logging in.

Bam, the problem of knowing where the population sits is now solved.

Just admit it, you want to realm hop to wherever the situation best suits you at the drop of a hat, instead of choosing one and sticking with it.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 3:33 AM by Kurbsen
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 3:08 AM
You guys are all acting like you can only log in to see which realm is the lowest population, locking you into whatever realm you logged in on.

Here's an idea, look at the front page of the website before logging in.

Bam, the problem of knowing where the population sits is now solved.

Just admit it, you want to realm hop to wherever the situation best suits you at the drop of a hat, instead of choosing one and sticking with it.

nice try but that number doesnt show the amount of people in rvr. I was just on and tried to run as a duo and it was dead since NF is so big.. There were 103 mids in rvr, 42 hibs, and 19 albs, granted that pve event was on for alb.. The frontpage numbers do not represent the rvr number. Tonight is the perfect example of why a shorter realm switch timer is needed.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 8:25 AM by kiectred
Kurbsen wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 3:33 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Fri 6 Sep 2019 3:08 AM
You guys are all acting like you can only log in to see which realm is the lowest population, locking you into whatever realm you logged in on.

Here's an idea, look at the front page of the website before logging in.

Bam, the problem of knowing where the population sits is now solved.

Just admit it, you want to realm hop to wherever the situation best suits you at the drop of a hat, instead of choosing one and sticking with it.

nice try but that number doesnt show the amount of people in rvr. I was just on and tried to run as a duo and it was dead since NF is so big.. There were 103 mids in rvr, 42 hibs, and 19 albs, granted that pve event was on for alb.. The frontpage numbers do not represent the rvr number. Tonight is the perfect example of why a shorter realm switch timer is needed.

A perfect example is a night with a PvE event happening for 1 realm? Really?
I get what you're saying but total population and number of people doing RvR is going to be related. Not perfectly so, but enough to make an informed decision.

That said, I'm still a fan of shortening the timer to maybe 6 hours or so. I just think your argument here is incredibly weak.
Fri 6 Sep 2019 2:28 PM by Keelia
Just take the realm timer away, the Zerg is gonna zerg and majority of the people I know flock to the underpopulated realms.

It’s really annoying logging into a realm and your realm has a stupid big Zerg and 4 other 8 mans running and the other 2 realms have nothing.
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