Warrior...which weapon line? - Phoenix Freeshard

Which weapon to spec?

For leveling?
For 50?

Tue 2 Jul 2019 10:39 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Leveling: Whatever the best drop you get is.

Group RvR: 50 Sword (DPS), 39 Hammer (Peeling), 42 Shield

Wed 3 Jul 2019 12:35 AM by Hector

50 Hammer, 50 shield, rest parry is your spec at 50 if you want to play group RvR.

If you are solo then sure do whatever you want.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:12 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Hector wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 12:35 AM
50 Hammer, 50 shield, rest parry is your spec at 50 if you want to play group RvR.

Horrible advice.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:32 PM by Hector

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:12 AM
Hector wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 12:35 AM
50 Hammer, 50 shield, rest parry is your spec at 50 if you want to play group RvR.

Horrible advice.

Your spec, obviously only done to be able to use Ragnarok, is pretty silly.

Warrior in 8v8 has one role: peel. If you want to primarily do heavy damage you should have made a savage or zerker.

You need highest weaponskill and damage on your peel line. Dropping Hammer to 39 decreases your WS against high priority targets that already rival your WS (tanks). It also lowers the peel damage which often times forces clerics/druids to plant and heal your target that you're peeling. Test the difference between 39 and 50 hammer, it's very significant.

Ragnarok (50 sword) has a growth rate of 0.89.
Sledgehammer (44 hammer) has a growth rate of 0.94, which is easy to land after conquer.

The idea that Ragnarok warrants specing into is an outdated fallacy perpetuated by feeble minded keyboard warriors (no pun intended).

Again, 50 sword is fine for solo/small man but for 8v8 do your job to the best of your ability and go 50 hammer 50 shield

Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:37 PM by dstrmberg

What about warrior in smallman grps?

For example the setup: Healer (trispec?), Warrior, BD, Skald

Skald could peel in this setup with 39 hammer + insta snare. Then the warrior is more a dps class than a peeler maybe?

So 50 sword 50 shield 31 parry? You still have the side snare, but bring more damage into the team.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:43 PM by Roto23

Hector wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:32 PM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:12 AM
Hector wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 12:35 AM
50 Hammer, 50 shield, rest parry is your spec at 50 if you want to play group RvR.

Horrible advice.

Your spec, obviously only done to be able to use Ragnarok, is pretty silly.

Warrior in 8v8 has one role: peel. If you want to primarily do heavy damage you should have made a savage or zerker.

You need highest weaponskill and damage on your peel line. Dropping Hammer to 39 decreases your WS against high priority targets that already rival your WS (tanks). It also lowers the peel damage which often times forces clerics/druids to plant and heal your target that you're peeling. Test the difference between 39 and 50 hammer, it's very significant.

Ragnarok (50 sword) has a growth rate of 0.89.
Sledgehammer (44 hammer) has a growth rate of 0.94, which is easy to land after conquer.

The idea that Ragnarok warrants specing into is an outdated fallacy perpetuated by feeble minded keyboard warriors (no pun intended).

Again, 50 sword is fine for solo/small man but for 8v8 do your job to the best of your ability and go 50 hammer 50 shield

So you played your warrior real well, but what about a more flexible spec that works for group/smallman and solo with a spec of 50 Hammer 42 shield and 41 parry?

Wed 3 Jul 2019 6:03 PM by Hector

Roto23 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:43 PM
Hector wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:32 PM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:12 AM
Horrible advice.

Your spec, obviously only done to be able to use Ragnarok, is pretty silly.

Warrior in 8v8 has one role: peel. If you want to primarily do heavy damage you should have made a savage or zerker.

You need highest weaponskill and damage on your peel line. Dropping Hammer to 39 decreases your WS against high priority targets that already rival your WS (tanks). It also lowers the peel damage which often times forces clerics/druids to plant and heal your target that you're peeling. Test the difference between 39 and 50 hammer, it's very significant.

Ragnarok (50 sword) has a growth rate of 0.89.
Sledgehammer (44 hammer) has a growth rate of 0.94, which is easy to land after conquer.

The idea that Ragnarok warrants specing into is an outdated fallacy perpetuated by feeble minded keyboard warriors (no pun intended).

Again, 50 sword is fine for solo/small man but for 8v8 do your job to the best of your ability and go 50 hammer 50 shield

So you played your warrior real well, but what about a more flexible spec that works for group/smallman and solo with a spec of 50 Hammer 42 shield and 41 parry?

I guess if you are strictly soloing it works but if you're going to be guarding people imo 50 shield is a must for me

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:47 PM by dstrmberg

Slash damage is obviously superior against most enemies as a mid player. Why is noone bringing this fact up?

Thu 4 Jul 2019 7:55 PM by gotwqqd

dstrmberg wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:47 PM
Slash damage is obviously superior against most enemies as a mid player. Why is noone bringing this fact up?

And most mobs while leveling

I be found sword to be extremely boring sub 22(my level)
It’s either a block reactionary backed up by assault or just assault with 2 handed

Axe gives me bunch of things to do block/parry reactionaries and an anytime haste debuff

Sat 6 Jul 2019 7:52 PM by SalidorMacCulloch

I went 50 hammer 37 parry 46 shield this maxes out all your points . Hammers back snare is great for pushing and defence. Why parry? Well when it takes another tank 3-4 trys to slam you that's why. Shield past 42 is just another 2% block chance vs 50 shield. I love this spec 🙂

Mon 8 Jul 2019 5:29 PM by Estat

dstrmberg wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:47 PM
Slash damage is obviously superior against most enemies as a mid player. Why is noone bringing this fact up?

Crush is better against:
Bard
Nightshade
Ranger
Infiltrator
Blademaster
Paladin
Armsman

Fri 12 Jul 2019 9:53 AM by dstrmberg

Estat wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Jul 2019 5:29 PM
dstrmberg wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:47 PM
Slash damage is obviously superior against most enemies as a mid player. Why is noone bringing this fact up?
Crush is better against:
Bard
Nightshade
Ranger
Infiltrator
Blademaster
Paladin
Armsman

For a Mid player slash is neutral/better on everything except those that you listed above. And you will usually have a hammer skald in group anyways for diversity.

Fri 12 Jul 2019 10:41 AM by Sepplord

if your main goal is to deal damage, then just play a savage or berserker
a warrior's job is also backline protection, and there having a back- and a sidesnare is far superior to doing a bit more damage

There are warriors that go for ragnarok in swordsspecc and the snares in hammer specc to have both, but i didn't get warm with it, and you lose out on waeponskill when applying snares, blockrate and also parry (parry not being that important though)

Fri 12 Jul 2019 2:12 PM by Sixin2082

Why don't more people go axe? Artic Rift looks nice, and you wouldn't have to sacrifice shield to get it, like you would for Ragnarok.

Fri 12 Jul 2019 2:42 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Sixin2082 wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Jul 2019 2:12 PM
Why don't more people go axe? Artic Rift looks nice, and you wouldn't have to sacrifice shield to get it, like you would for Ragnarok.

Because Axe is full of bleeds which break snares, roots, and mezzes.

Fri 12 Jul 2019 2:54 PM by Sixin2082

Well. That makes a lot of sense now.

Wed 14 Aug 2019 5:37 PM by moosington

Saying warriors are defensive only is stupid. Warriors are flexible, they can do both offensive and defensive very well. They also bring slam to the tank train which is really taken for granted. Most of the time the stun is wasted on the savage back style, which makes it easier to kite your melees out.

IIRC the to hit chance is based on the style, I’d test out 50 sword/42 shield/29 hammer/29 parry and just use hammer for rear peels. The slam -> side chain from sword should work well too, especially because you can change to 2h for the second style and put out some damage. The snare on Conquer is nice, but the lack of to hit bonus means it will miss a lot.

Edit: Updating this for accuracy. There's like a 1-2% difference in to hit chance between 29 hammer and 50 hammer on Conquer, so you can spec that for peels. The sword side chain is another alternative for peeling.

Wed 14 Aug 2019 9:45 PM by ExcretusMaximus

moosington wrote: ↑
Wed 14 Aug 2019 5:37 PM
The slam -> side chain from sword should work well too, especially because you can change to 2h for the second style and put out some damage.

Why would you ever spec 50 Sword and choose the side style over Ragnarok? Yes, Aurora does a minor amount of increased damage vs Ragnarok, but two swings of Ragnarok does a massive amount more than Northern Lights + Aurora.

Thu 12 Sep 2019 9:38 PM by Aidereh

50 Hammer 42 shield and 41 parry is the best spec