Rangers and mastery of arcane - Phoenix Freeshard

how much longer do we have to pretend that melee rangers with mastery of arcane and high IP is actually fair?

Thu 8 Aug 2019 5:57 PM by Turano

Why pretend? What is unfair about it?

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:09 PM by hawsey813311

moa 5 allows you to easily get qui cap as a celt no less, redic str, ABS through the roof, a shitload of AF, and a really nice dmg add for not alot of cost. at 5l8, which is quite easy to get, you can go moa5, ip4, purge 2 and become extremely strong and tanky, can even drop the ip down one and get some crit or aug stats to even somthing out. not to mention all the util from the blade spec line aswell as the favorable dmg type vs SBs. youre basically a bm with stealth.

i just dont think moa should work on them. it returns a HUGE amount of stats for only 15 RA points. its already a strong class.

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:27 PM by Turano

Again, what is unfair about it? Rangers are a selfbuff class. Should they not benefit from their skill?
Every (self) buffing class in this game has MoA. Why would it be fair to take it away from rangers? Because you have problems killing them with your SB? That is no valid reason

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:30 PM by hawsey813311

so you're saying it doesn't make them unnecessarily strong and should have access to it just because every other self buffing class has access to it?

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:32 PM by stinsfire

Turano wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:27 PM
Again, what is unfair about it? Rangers are a selfbuff class. Should they not benefit from their skill?
Every (self) buffing class in this game has MoA. Why would it be fair to take it away from rangers? Because you have problems killing them with your SB? That is no valid reason

Because ranger is the only archery class who shits on the majority of opponents in 1on1 even if they dont use their bow at all.

But taking away moa from ranger only is the wrong approach imo. There are other ways to nerf them.

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:34 PM by hawsey813311

idk what to do about them but its the culmination of all that stuff just makes them ridiculous. even the low RR ones are strong quite strong. rr7+ just forget it.

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:58 PM by Horus

If you wear armor sensitive to slash then a melee spec blades ranger is a tough match up head to head. Crazy difference in dmg vulnerable vs resistant dmg type.

However there is no reason why an evenly matched SB with the all the toys up should not win or at least not die a fair percent of the time.

double the evade
various poisons that can be reapplied
Higher growth rate styles
and when all else fails, vanish

Thu 8 Aug 2019 7:10 PM by Mavella

The issue is and always has been that MoArcane increases the Combined Forces buffs on top of their self buffs. It effectively makes MoArcane about 40% better for them in particular which is pretty significant in stealth wars. I made a thread about it and people can't seem to grasp the strength of how powerful MoArcane7 is combined with the first few levels of Aug stats even without self buffs to boost. I could easily get high levels of Str/Qui i'd spec for anyway with free Dex and Con and AF as a bonus just from the boost to the potion and no self buffs to enhance.

My position was make it increase self and conc based buffs only or make the RA available for everyone to choose to boost their combined forces if they want. I never got a response from the Devs despite numerous bumps.

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=9546

Thu 8 Aug 2019 7:15 PM by hawsey813311

o shit, i didnt even realize it increased the combi pot. that is just plain absurd, there is no way you can straight face defend that as not being op or unfair lol.

Thu 8 Aug 2019 7:29 PM by Mavella

Horus wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:58 PM
If you wear armor sensitive to slash then a melee spec blades ranger is a tough match up head to head. Crazy difference in dmg vulnerable vs resistant dmg type.

However there is no reason why an evenly matched SB with the all the toys up should not win or at least not die a fair percent of the time.

double the evade
various poisons that can be reapplied
Higher growth rate styles
and when all else fails, vanish

My SB evades only 10% more than most rangers (15% for them. 25% for me). They are capable of stacking so much more str/dex/qui than sins its not funny. This is an evade 3 class vs evade 7 class by the way. They also get an easy as fuck 30%ASR in blades that also has a defense bonus on it making me miss more. Many are also using dex/qui debuff proc weapon which really neuter swing rates even for SBs with their built in "haste". They can also heal+legion heal charge every fight since they have DA built in. I have to use DA charge or I will never do enough damage to kill them before they can kill be with their 9%abs and 10-13% resist advantage.

Vanishing from rangers is also generally not an option if they carry SL pots they will see you from a considerable distance and I'm most likely extremely low HP. It's really not simple. Once a ranger is over rr6 or 7 of they have purge/or IP up they will shit on most SBs. Once they are higher its even easier. They only reason I can be as competitive as I am is because I'm rr10.

Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM by Lillebror

Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:36 PM by hawsey813311

lol this guy

Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:07 AM by Cadebrennus

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM
Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Some people just want to be able to kill everything without any challenge at all.

Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:15 AM by Mavella

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM
Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Snare and run from a class with spammable side and rear snares? Do you even play this game?

Edit oh and they have a bow they can pull out just in case and super speed to chase with as if it was even necessary lets not forget those.

Fri 9 Aug 2019 3:51 AM by gotwqqd

So with the RA maybe I should forgo the buff line and just use combined pots with the 40% increase and spend spec points elsewhere

Fri 9 Aug 2019 6:26 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:07 AM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM
Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Some people just want to be able to kill everything without any challenge at all.

yeah, a pure melee stealther wanting to beat the ranged-hybrid stealther in a pure melee matchup...how entitled must they be...

please, list the favorable targets then that we should be looking out for

both hibstealthers are unfavorable matchups, inf is on par, scout is weaker (and while i agree scouts could use a small buff...they have loads of grouputility and range)
which other classes regularly run around solo and are our targets?
What's the "job" of assassins in the current NF meta?

Fri 9 Aug 2019 7:11 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 6:26 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:07 AM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM
Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Some people just want to be able to kill everything without any challenge at all.

yeah, a pure melee stealther wanting to beat the ranged-hybrid stealther in a pure melee matchup...how entitled must they be...
please, list the favorable targets then that we should be looking out for

both hibstealthers are unfavorable matchups, inf is on par, scout is weaker (and while i agree scouts could use a small buff...they have loads of grouputility and range)
which other classes regularly run around solo and are our targets?
What's the "job" of assassins in the current NF meta?

Damn, I was wondering how long you would stay reasonable until you slipped back into troll mode. Dude, you disappoint. I was really hoping you'd stay reasonable because you seem like a nice guy when you're not trolling.

I guess it's just too bad that Assassins don't have things like better evade, DOT poisons, debuff poisons, anti-heal poisons, etc? If only.....

I guess it's also a shame that Assassins aren't bragging on other threads that they can kill nearly everything, including heavy/light tanks, and aren't complaining that they don't have a near perfect ratio of killing tanks? If only....

Seriously dude, is this the day of the week that you go off of your meds?

Fri 9 Aug 2019 7:23 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 7:11 AM
I guess it's just too bad that Assassins don't have things like better evade, DOT poisons, debuff poisons, anti-heal poisons, etc? If only.....

After you have already acknowledged that rangers are a unfavorable matchup you still feel the need to list singular abilities/utilities...what does it change? The whole package, VS the others whole package is what should be compared, and if we do that rangers come out on top of SBs. Despite also have decent ranged capabilties.

Where are those threads of the braggers, all i see are complainers (most are unreasonable).
Are you really trying to claim assasin VS Fulltank is a favorable matchup for the assassin?
Solo Specced fulltanks absolutely SHIT on assassins (and rightfully so...it would be weird if not). Thane/champs/offtanks also do unless they are running group-RAs.

Nice dodge of the direct questions though

but i'm the troll ^^

I'll try again:

What do YOU believe is an Assassins job in the current Meta. And which targets are SBs supposed to actively go for, since you implied yourself that going after rangers (and i'll add NS since that is a given fact) is an uphill battle, and should be according to you.

I'll break it down into an even easier question, i would love if you answer all, but please, feel free to focus on just this one:
Why do you think that a ranged hybrid stealther should have a favorable fight VS a pure melee stealther? How does that make sense in the big picture?

And i am not saying SBs are unplayable...they aren't. RNG can make any fight go in any direction. We are talking about balance when all things go equal, and there it doesn't make sense to be like it currently is, imo.

PS: do you really feel your medication and troll remarks add any credibility to your post? Are you rationally trying to distract that you are dodging the question, or are you not as calm and reasonable as you always claim to be? Doesn't fit the picture you paint of yourself to jump at people instead of sticking to the arguments

Fri 9 Aug 2019 8:45 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 7:23 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 7:11 AM
I guess it's just too bad that Assassins don't have things like better evade, DOT poisons, debuff poisons, anti-heal poisons, etc? If only.....

After you have already acknowledged that rangers are a unfavorable matchup you still feel the need to list singular abilities/utilities...what does it change? The whole package, VS the others whole package is what should be compared, and if we do that rangers come out on top of SBs. Despite also have decent ranged capabilties.

Where are those threads of the braggers, all i see are complainers (most are unreasonable).
Are you really trying to claim assasin VS Fulltank is a favorable matchup for the assassin?
Solo Specced fulltanks absolutely SHIT on assassins (and rightfully so...it would be weird if not). Thane/champs/offtanks also do unless they are running group-RAs.

Nice dodge of the direct questions though but i'm the troll ^^

I'll try again:

What do YOU believe is an Assassins job in the current Meta. And which targets are SBs supposed to actively go for, since you implied yourself that going after rangers (and i'll add NS since that is a given fact) is an uphill battle, and should be according to you.

I'll break it down into an even easier question, i would love if you answer all, but please, feel free to focus on just this one:
Why do you think that a ranged hybrid stealther should have a favorable fight VS a pure melee stealther? How does that make sense in the big picture?

And i am not saying SBs are unplayable...they aren't. RNG can make any fight go in any direction. We are talking about balance when all things go equal, and there it doesn't make sense to be like it currently is, imo.

PS: do you really feel your medication and troll remarks add any credibility to your post? Are you rationally trying to distract that you are dodging the question, or are you not as calm and reasonable as you always claim to be? Doesn't fit the picture you paint of yourself to jump at people instead of sticking to the arguments

Huh? I've never claimed that Rangers are an uphill battle for Assassins nor have claimed that they should be. Maybe you should read my posts again. What I am claiming is simply what I have read: that Assassins are now sharing tips on the best way to defeat tanks and are even complaining not about not being able to defeat tanks, but are simply complaining about the TIME it takes to defeat tanks before adds are "Inc". That's a balance problem and has nothing to do with Rangers and everything to do with Assassins. Archers have other issues (and one or two strengths) that have little to do with this thread, but the second anyone notices anything even remotely resembling an Archer positive barely poke its head above ground like a timid groundhog, Assassin players start bitching and whining and trying to mash that little groundhog head into a pulp, lest their favourite targets become anything other than easy RPs.

Fri 9 Aug 2019 9:41 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:07 AM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM
Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Some people just want to be able to kill everything without any challenge at all.

This, in context, heavily implies that you agree with the comment you quoted and replied to. Considering how you always jump on my comments regarding this topic loudly stating your disagreement and derailing the argumentation, but in this case you want to claim that you made a joke on a comment you disagree on, without stating your disagreement? Come on. But good job on not answering the literall questions again.

And yes, anytime anyone mentions something good SOME "insert class" players will come and try to shit on it.
I heavily defended volley in the recent bandwagon-whine thread to get it nerfed, as an assassin player. Yet you still feel the need to derail the discussion and make some claims about general "assassin players" that seem to be always doing something that you can push as narrative for your distraction agenda...

Fri 9 Aug 2019 4:19 PM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 9:41 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:07 AM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 11:30 PM
Go and hit something else, snare and run. Adapt.

We all have our impossible targets.

Some people just want to be able to kill everything without any challenge at all.

This, in context, heavily implies that you agree with the comment you quoted and replied to. Considering how you always jump on my comments regarding this topic loudly stating your disagreement and derailing the argumentation, but in this case you want to claim that you made a joke on a comment you disagree on, without stating your disagreement? Come on. But good job on not answering the literall questions again.

And yes, anytime anyone mentions something good SOME "insert class" players will come and try to shit on it.
I heavily defended volley in the recent bandwagon-whine thread to get it nerfed, as an assassin player. Yet you still feel the need to derail the discussion and make some claims about general "assassin players" that seem to be always doing something that you can push as narrative for your distraction agenda...

No agenda. I just recognise that many Assassin players want to be able to kill everything without challenge. It's been that way since Live first launched. They're one of the reasons that Live took a nosedive when Broadsword took over. The squeaky wheels got the grease, so to speak, on live and it tanked the server. I am hoping that the same thing doesn't happen here.

Fri 9 Aug 2019 4:39 PM by jwalker

Its pretty simple when it comes to 1on1

ranged ranger < crit spec inf = hybrid spec ranger < melee ranger = full dual wield /left axt (low/no CS)

It's totally fine imo as

ranged ranger is specialized in ranged fights
hybrid can shot from range but can't kill as fast as a CS assassin. Further assassins disease ups the list of possible targets
no CS assassins and melee ranger can't kill as fast but are the top of the stealther food chain. Assassins have again more target options, ranger are more sturdy

Sat 10 Aug 2019 8:57 AM by Lillebror

If you cant kill rangers so what, i can make a long list of targets i cant kill most the time, some i cant kill even if they afk half the fight...

Assassins had archers on free rps half a year, now they turned the table or its even. Stop whine and reroll if you cant deal with it.

PS: your rigth, i taken a break due to solo rvr was crap but i got whispers about it have improved.

Champs, SM, Necro, VW, Friars, Thanes are retarded in solo rvr , rangers isnt they just good.

Sat 10 Aug 2019 5:43 PM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 4:19 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 9:41 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 1:07 AM
Some people just want to be able to kill everything without any challenge at all.

This, in context, heavily implies that you agree with the comment you quoted and replied to. Considering how you always jump on my comments regarding this topic loudly stating your disagreement and derailing the argumentation, but in this case you want to claim that you made a joke on a comment you disagree on, without stating your disagreement? Come on. But good job on not answering the literall questions again.

And yes, anytime anyone mentions something good SOME "insert class" players will come and try to shit on it.
I heavily defended volley in the recent bandwagon-whine thread to get it nerfed, as an assassin player. Yet you still feel the need to derail the discussion and make some claims about general "assassin players" that seem to be always doing something that you can push as narrative for your distraction agenda...

No agenda. I just recognise that many Assassin players want to be able to kill everything without challenge. It's been that way since Live first launched. They're one of the reasons that Live took a nosedive when Broadsword took over. The squeaky wheels got the grease, so to speak, on live and it tanked the server. I am hoping that the same thing doesn't happen here.

And when talking to me you can quit "mentioning" that, i have multiple times shown that i am not intrested in simply buffing myself and nerfing others. That ofocurse doesn't mean that i might not still have wrong perceptions, i most certainly have. So help me clear them up instead of evading my questions and going into the "assassin whine so much" rhethoric that doesn't help anyone.
That you feel the need to constantly mention it, instead of just sticking to the current discussion paints a different picture about you and makes it seem that you are just heavily anti-assassin biased. Which i don't think you are, but i don't get why you derail every discussion with generalisms like that, while you claim to be a fact driven person. I asked you a few simple questions and you haven't answered a single one of them.

Archers have the best stealth detection, they have mediocre ranged capabilities even when not speccing for range and yet you seem to belive that they should be on par in melee with assassins. No, i disagree. A char that has only melee should not be on par in melee while having the short end of the stick in every other metric

Sat 10 Aug 2019 8:52 PM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Aug 2019 5:43 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 4:19 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Aug 2019 9:41 AM
This, in context, heavily implies that you agree with the comment you quoted and replied to. Considering how you always jump on my comments regarding this topic loudly stating your disagreement and derailing the argumentation, but in this case you want to claim that you made a joke on a comment you disagree on, without stating your disagreement? Come on. But good job on not answering the literall questions again.

And yes, anytime anyone mentions something good SOME "insert class" players will come and try to shit on it.
I heavily defended volley in the recent bandwagon-whine thread to get it nerfed, as an assassin player. Yet you still feel the need to derail the discussion and make some claims about general "assassin players" that seem to be always doing something that you can push as narrative for your distraction agenda...

No agenda. I just recognise that many Assassin players want to be able to kill everything without challenge. It's been that way since Live first launched. They're one of the reasons that Live took a nosedive when Broadsword took over. The squeaky wheels got the grease, so to speak, on live and it tanked the server. I am hoping that the same thing doesn't happen here.

And when talking to me you can quit "mentioning" that, i have multiple times shown that i am not intrested in simply buffing myself and nerfing others. That ofocurse doesn't mean that i might not still have wrong perceptions, i most certainly have. So help me clear them up instead of evading my questions and going into the "assassin whine so much" rhethoric that doesn't help anyone.
That you feel the need to constantly mention it, instead of just sticking to the current discussion paints a different picture about you and makes it seem that you are just heavily anti-assassin biased. Which i don't think you are, but i don't get why you derail every discussion with generalisms like that, while you claim to be a fact driven person. I asked you a few simple questions and you haven't answered a single one of them.

Archers have the best stealth detection, they have mediocre ranged capabilities even when not speccing for range and yet you seem to belive that they should be on par in melee with assassins. No, i disagree. A char that has only melee should not be on par in melee while having the short end of the stick in every other metric

And there you go telling others what they believe. Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Sun 11 Aug 2019 4:51 AM by Joffel

As a former assassin i ll have to say that this thread is just embarrassing. No other class is complaining about everything like assassins do. We get it, you want to be able to beat every stealther everytime without putting much effort into it. And if things go wrong you want to vanish and never be seen again until RAs are up. Yes, sometimes an enemy gets lucky and finds you after you vanish, BIG DEAL. Vanish isn´t meant to be the perfect safety net. Assassins who think Rangers/Hunters/Scouts are OP are out of their mind. Maybe you are just bad or need to adjust your gameplay. You want to be able to kill every Ranger in melee, even if he sacrificed most RAs for ranged combat so he can deal with you ? Ok, then give Rangers the ability to kill you with 2 shots and unbreakable speed. Sounds fair ?

Luckily there are still enough good assassins who don´t bitch and moan.

Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:07 AM by Sepplord

Joffel wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Aug 2019 4:51 AM
You want to be able to kill every Ranger in melee, even if he sacrificed most RAs for ranged combat so he can deal with you ?

Uh...yes?

Rangers had to sacrifice range RAs? Really?

Lets compare the ranged capabilities of melee specced assassins and melee specced rangers. Omg, who would have thought, melee specced rangers still have far better ranged-options despite having sacrificed so much.
Assassins "sacrifice" even having an option to spec in range. Their ranged capabilities are having a DD-charge on an item. And you are complaining that Rangers have to sacrifice Range-RAs?

It's mindboggling how many of you people believe that ranger-melee being on par with assassin -melee while also having range-dmg is completely fine, but yeah...it's the assassins that are biased

Cadebrennus wrote: And there you go telling others what they believe. Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Uhh...No i didn't but you dodged answering the question again. Good Job

Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:37 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:07 AM
Joffel wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Aug 2019 4:51 AM
You want to be able to kill every Ranger in melee, even if he sacrificed most RAs for ranged combat so he can deal with you ?

Uh...yes?

Rangers had to sacrifice range RAs? Really?

Lets compare the ranged capabilities of melee specced assassins and melee specced rangers. Omg, who would have thought, melee specced rangers still have far better ranged-options despite having sacrificed so much.
Assassins "sacrifice" even having an option to spec in range. Their ranged capabilities are having a DD-charge on an item. And you are complaining that Rangers have to sacrifice Range-RAs?

It's mindboggling how many of you people believe that ranger-melee being on par with assassin -melee while also having range-dmg is completely fine, but yeah...it's the assassins that are biased

Cadebrennus wrote: And there you go telling others what they believe. Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Uhh...No i didn't but you dodged answering the question again. Good Job

Ok then since you're comparing apples to oranges let's talk about the DoT Poison, Debuff Poison, Snare Poison, Disease Poison, and unblockable Alpha attacks that Archers get, along with the "fuck you I'm out" RA that Archers can use when a fight they initiated doesn't go their way....

Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:44 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:37 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:07 AM
Joffel wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Aug 2019 4:51 AM
You want to be able to kill every Ranger in melee, even if he sacrificed most RAs for ranged combat so he can deal with you ?

Uh...yes?

Rangers had to sacrifice range RAs? Really?

Lets compare the ranged capabilities of melee specced assassins and melee specced rangers. Omg, who would have thought, melee specced rangers still have far better ranged-options despite having sacrificed so much.
Assassins "sacrifice" even having an option to spec in range. Their ranged capabilities are having a DD-charge on an item. And you are complaining that Rangers have to sacrifice Range-RAs?

It's mindboggling how many of you people believe that ranger-melee being on par with assassin -melee while also having range-dmg is completely fine, but yeah...it's the assassins that are biased

Cadebrennus wrote: And there you go telling others what they believe. Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Uhh...No i didn't but you dodged answering the question again. Good Job

Ok then since you're comparing apples to oranges let's talk about the DoT Poison, Debuff Poison, Snare Poison, Disease Poison, and unblockable Alpha attacks that Archers get, along with the "fuck you I'm out" RA that Archers can use when a fight they initiated doesn't go their way....

OH...were those left out of the "melee-package" ? I wasn't aware that the assasins being unfavored against rangers in melee were all not using half their kit...

You are getting more unreasonable with every comment

Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:47 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:44 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:37 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:07 AM
Uh...yes?

Rangers had to sacrifice range RAs? Really?

Lets compare the ranged capabilities of melee specced assassins and melee specced rangers. Omg, who would have thought, melee specced rangers still have far better ranged-options despite having sacrificed so much.
Assassins "sacrifice" even having an option to spec in range. Their ranged capabilities are having a DD-charge on an item. And you are complaining that Rangers have to sacrifice Range-RAs?

It's mindboggling how many of you people believe that ranger-melee being on par with assassin -melee while also having range-dmg is completely fine, but yeah...it's the assassins that are biased

Uhh...No i didn't but you dodged answering the question again. Good Job

Ok then since you're comparing apples to oranges let's talk about the DoT Poison, Debuff Poison, Snare Poison, Disease Poison, and unblockable Alpha attacks that Archers get, along with the "fuck you I'm out" RA that Archers can use when a fight they initiated doesn't go their way....

OH...were those left out of the "melee-package" ? I wasn't aware that the assasins being unfavored against rangers in melee were all not using half their kit...

You are getting more unreasonable with every comment

You certainly conveniently left it out of your argument. Your bias is showing, and no one respects anyone with the level of bias you have.

Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:51 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:47 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:44 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 6:37 AM
Ok then since you're comparing apples to oranges let's talk about the DoT Poison, Debuff Poison, Snare Poison, Disease Poison, and unblockable Alpha attacks that Archers get, along with the "fuck you I'm out" RA that Archers can use when a fight they initiated doesn't go their way....

OH...were those left out of the "melee-package" ? I wasn't aware that the assasins being unfavored against rangers in melee were all not using half their kit...

You are getting more unreasonable with every comment

You certainly conveniently left it out of your argument. Your bias is showing, and no one respects anyone with the level of bias you have.

I didn't leave it out of my argument, it is part of "melee capabiltites", i wonder why anyone would read "assassin melee" and believe i am not including that

new debuff-change could have fixed the situation though...but status quo of last week was that archers melee wwas too high compared to assassins melee (and to spell it out: assassins melee includes poisons hurrdurr)

Mon 12 Aug 2019 9:48 AM by inoeth

tried moarcana 7 on my hunter the last 2 days and already respeced again ....
well the gain in stats is quite nice but in the end it does not give you an edge because it is so damn expensive that you lose other important stuff like mopain.

i vote for give moarcana to everyone so all the n00bs can waste their points into this stupid ra

looking forward to stomp you on the battlefield xD

Mon 12 Aug 2019 10:54 AM by chois

Well u spent 20 pts in a good ra, where a scout invest 20 pts in MOB so i ts quite the same imo and invest 20 more points if he wants to reach 250 quickness, which one is important if u want to use a 4.0speed or more if u want acceptable damage with your 1 handed.

Mon 12 Aug 2019 12:29 PM by inoeth

chois wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Aug 2019 10:54 AM
Well u spent 20 pts in a good ra, where a scout invest 20 pts in MOB so i ts quite the same imo and invest 20 more points if he wants to reach 250 quickness, which one is important if u want to use a 4.0speed or more if u want acceptable damage with your 1 handed.

well actually mob is giving you an edge... saw you fighting sbs and they really struggled

Mon 12 Aug 2019 2:58 PM by chois

yes and no, my blok rate is quite the same than their evade