Update Rules to be more accurate

Clearly there is a communication problem with the mass wave of bans for multiple accounts. At the core is a mistake on the wording of the rules. BELOW is a snip from Ashoks message re bans. See anything interesting? Yes it says create multiple accounts from the same computer. Create - the rules don’t clearly state that if you have a wife/husband/child scenario and you create all the accounts on the same computer - you’ve screwed yourself.

So can you update the rules to plainly state that under no circumstances people should create multiple accounts (even if for multiple people) on the same PC?

Remember - not everyone speaks English as their native language. Use short, direct, simple sentence language please. (You know who you are that I’m looking at)

“These bans are applied because of the violation of rule 1.1 and/or rule 1.2 - Phoenix' core rules
You did create and play multiple accounts from the same computer in the past with optional”

Let’s unscrew ourselves - thanks

Now before someone gets smart- I’m not affected by this cause my kids are too young and my wife hates games. But now I have fewer people to play with and against.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:31 PM by Kaosfury

The rules are very clear, the only people had issues with them are the ones breaking them.

There's multiple ways to check on the rules on the website and it's very clear.....

Anybody who plays the game knows you're not supposed to have multiple accounts, anybody who checks the form knows you're not supposed to have multiple accounts.

No safe spaces people need to be held accountable

Some members of the staff are not American and don't speak great English either.

Less putting it on the developers plate more accountability from the player

Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:41 PM by florin

First I didnt ask your opinion. You saying the rules are very clear does not make them so. This is evidenced by the dozens who have been affected.

Secondly you did not read or comprehend what I said so it is clear the rules are not clear.

Lastly, since I know it will come up... no one cares if you were a former GM, especially since you’re not understanding what I’m saying.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:45 PM by Kaosfury

/shrug.

Rules are very simple and very clear if any time anybody had an issue they could have reached out to a game master for a clear answer.

They could have used the Forum as well a forum to ask you a question.

They could have read the announcement last week very clearly explaining what was going to happen and clearing up the issue even further about multiple accounts.

People are in the situation they are in because they're trying to game the system, unfortunately for the people who did the wrong thing the staff are pretty legit about knowing how many accounts and what belongs to who.

Anybody that truly deserves the play will be unbanned, the staff clearly said they will review situations, to the rest of the people out there /shrug.

You comprehend that?

Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:50 PM by florin

Again - you still didn’t address my point and robotically responding with the same “rules are clear” line. You aren’t cut out for this and i’m glad you found it wasn’t your calling. Cheerio Trist.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:53 PM by Isavyr

Kaosfury wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:31 PM
The rules are very clear, the only people had issues with them are the ones breaking them.
There's multiple ways to check on the rules on the website and it's very clear.....
Anybody who plays the game knows you're not supposed to have multiple accounts, anybody who checks the form knows you're not supposed to have multiple accounts.
No safe spaces people need to be held accountable
Some members of the staff are not American and don't speak great English either.
Less putting it on the developers plate more accountability from the player

Did you even read his post? He is correct. The rule isn't crystal clear on this, and innocent people can get banned from a misunderstanding--typically in a family environment. That being said, I'm sure many guilty players would like to pretend that they were acting in good-faith and their "brothers" created their 2nd account on their computer. But I see no harm in the rules clearly stating that the admins are using this metric as a means to determine whether a person has multiple accounts.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 3:02 PM by florin

When the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 3:15 PM by

Uthred

The rules are pretty clear and dont need to be updated. If you arent sure about something --> ask a staffmember, he/she will help you any time and answer your question.

If someone is thinking a ban is not correct, he/she can easily contact any GM on discord and is free to tell his/hers story and we will review the case. There were already some bans where we removed the bans after looking it up again. My advice to all who got banned: calm down, explain why you think the ban is incorrect and if we made a mistake, we dont have any problem removing the ban. But dont try to lie to us.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 3:16 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Kaosfury wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:31 PM
The rules are very clear, the only people had issues with them are the ones breaking them.

1.1 Multiple Phoenix accounts are not permitted.

There may only be one account per person. Measures are incorporated to detect multiple user accounts. This includes creating an additional Phoenix account when banned or suspended.

Person. Not computer. PERSON

Believe it or not, people share computers; not everyone is well-off enough to have multiple computers, so assuming that every person playing has their own computer is foolish.

If they mean one per computer, it should say one per computer. People are not computers.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 3:19 PM by florin

Incorrigible simply incorrigible

Sat 3 Aug 2019 4:29 PM by Numatic

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 3:16 PM
Kaosfury wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 2:31 PM
The rules are very clear, the only people had issues with them are the ones breaking them.

1.1 Multiple Phoenix accounts are not permitted.

There may only be one account per person. Measures are incorporated to detect multiple user accounts. This includes creating an additional Phoenix account when banned or suspended.

Person. Not computer. PERSON

Believe it or not, people share computers; not everyone is well-off enough to have multiple computers, so assuming that every person playing has their own computer is foolish.

If they mean one per computer, it should say one per computer. People are not computers.

I dont get why it's such a big deal to update the rules to be more specific to avoid issues in the future? I mean, editing a few words on a webpage ain't that difficult. When you say 1 account per person per household, there's literally nothing there that would indicate you should be playing on different computers. If that's a reason for a ban, then that is clearly the devs fault for not stating so. Nobody is going to ask the devs if they can thoroughly read the rules and comprehend what's stated. If I just read the rules and never visited the forums, I could easily see myself creating a 2nd account for my wife on my computer if she wanted to play.

Again, if someone has no reason to ask the devs for clarification because they read the rules and abide by them, they would have no idea what they are doing is wrong.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 5:39 PM by

gruenesschaf

It's a difficult thing. Given that account sharing is allowed, the only real way to determine original ownership is where the account was created. In case of households with multiple computers the cases that slip through manual review will be resolved after contacting staff and seeing that the accounts were indeed usually logged from different computers in the same household.

The much more difficult case is if you really only have a single computer, this is entirely indistinguishable from one person creating / having multiple accounts.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 5:42 PM by Urzawolf

Nothing in the rules prevented you from creating a second account for your spouse on your computer, to ban people for something that wasn’t against the rules is ridiculous when we are already low on population. Honestly the whole philosophy of this server is garbage, we went from quality of life to how can we screw people over. If you all don’t want to host this server just tell us and we can move on, stop dckn us around.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 6:00 PM by

gruenesschaf

Updated the rules accordingly.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 7:46 PM by florin

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 6:00 PM
Updated the rules accordingly.

Thank you

Sat 3 Aug 2019 9:21 PM by Bicstor

There should be some form of checkbox during account creation, which the user clicks/ticks to confirm they have read and understood the rules and they agree that ignorance of the exsistance of said rules and content is no excuse.

Maybe there is, I can't remember. I would be fine with confirming at every login, its only a click.

Then again that would place responsiblity with the the player/user and heaven forbid that ever happens.

Sat 3 Aug 2019 10:55 PM by Isavyr

Urzawolf wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 5:42 PM
Nothing in the rules prevented you from creating a second account for your spouse on your computer, to ban people for something that wasn’t against the rules is ridiculous when we are already low on population. Honestly the whole philosophy of this server is garbage, we went from quality of life to how can we screw people over. If you all don’t want to host this server just tell us and we can move on, stop dckn us around.

This is a gross overreaction. Do you think admins are busy thinking of ways to diminish their server player base? It's nonsensical at face value, and, even in cases of the best intentions, things slip by.

in fact, given that admins changed the rule, it appears you owe them an apology. Or are only you allowed to make mistakes?

Sun 4 Aug 2019 1:17 PM by Subsonica

2 different computers... 2 different accounts... 2 different players

both banned.... nice job

Sun 4 Aug 2019 1:48 PM by Subsonica

Isavyr wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 10:55 PM
Urzawolf wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 5:42 PM
Nothing in the rules prevented you from creating a second account for your spouse on your computer, to ban people for something that wasn’t against the rules is ridiculous when we are already low on population. Honestly the whole philosophy of this server is garbage, we went from quality of life to how can we screw people over. If you all don’t want to host this server just tell us and we can move on, stop dckn us around.

This is a gross overreaction. Do you think admins are busy thinking of ways to diminish their server player base? It's nonsensical at face value, and, even in cases of the best intentions, things slip by.

in fact, given that admins changed the rule, it appears you owe them an apology. Or are only you allowed to make mistakes?

agree with you about the overreaction, but, at the same time, you just cannot change the rules in the middle of the race... this generates chaos (as you can see)

Sun 4 Aug 2019 3:42 PM by florin

Subsonica wrote: ↑
Sun 4 Aug 2019 1:48 PM
Isavyr wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 10:55 PM
Urzawolf wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Aug 2019 5:42 PM
Nothing in the rules prevented you from creating a second account for your spouse on your computer, to ban people for something that wasn’t against the rules is ridiculous when we are already low on population. Honestly the whole philosophy of this server is garbage, we went from quality of life to how can we screw people over. If you all don’t want to host this server just tell us and we can move on, stop dckn us around.

This is a gross overreaction. Do you think admins are busy thinking of ways to diminish their server player base? It's nonsensical at face value, and, even in cases of the best intentions, things slip by.

in fact, given that admins changed the rule, it appears you owe them an apology. Or are only you allowed to make mistakes?

agree with you about the overreaction, but, at the same time, you just cannot change the rules in the middle of the race... this generates chaos (as you can see)

It’s not they they are changing the rules - it’s that they are updating the site to accurately reflect what the rules have been but not communicated properly

Mon 5 Aug 2019 1:43 AM by gotwqqd

Subsonica wrote: ↑
Sun 4 Aug 2019 1:17 PM
2 different computers... 2 different accounts... 2 different players

both banned.... nice job

For what? Signing onto different realms inside of 12 hours?

Maybe the solution is having a link account feature so they are all realm locked

Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:09 PM by Subsonica

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 1:43 AM
Subsonica wrote: ↑
Sun 4 Aug 2019 1:17 PM
2 different computers... 2 different accounts... 2 different players

both banned.... nice job

For what? Signing onto different realms inside of 12 hours?

Maybe the solution is having a link account feature so they are all realm locked

As i explained to @Ashock my mistake was to create on the same PC a second account, just to show to my son how is DAoC. then he played Alb and Mid, on his own machine, while i kept playing Hib on mine. Result: MY account banned for 3 days, don't know what will happen with the other one, guess it will be deleted, so my son will have to start again on Alb from zero from his own PC. end of story.

Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:15 PM by Sepplord

Subsonica wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:09 PM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 1:43 AM
Subsonica wrote: ↑
Sun 4 Aug 2019 1:17 PM
2 different computers... 2 different accounts... 2 different players

both banned.... nice job

For what? Signing onto different realms inside of 12 hours?

Maybe the solution is having a link account feature so they are all realm locked

As i explained to @Ashock my mistake was to create on the same PC a second account, just to show to my son how is DAoC. then he played Alb and Mid, on his own machine, while i kept playing Hib on mine. Result: MY account banned for 3 days, don't know what will happen with the other one, guess it will be deleted, so my son will have to start again on Alb from zero from his own PC. end of story.

if you play hib and your son makes a new account in your household and plays alb you will BEST CASE get another round of bans for crossrealming (increased penatly because second time)

Sort it out with staff on discord, imo there are no in betweens that will work out. Either they believe you and not ban the acocunts, uphold a crossrealming penalty or they won't believe you and you will be banned again for multiaccounting (or worse, technically your son is creating new accounts while being banned, though that would require a son to exist at which point both no account should recieve a permaban for the current offense)

Mon 5 Aug 2019 3:02 PM by Niget

I don't know what the fuss is about.
My wife and I play together, we sometimes share computers if I need the laptop for anything.
The only thing we had to do was contact a GM prior to account creation, and again when we found out about the ban wave coming. Took less than 5 min each time and we received no bans.
They seem professional, so I bet in 90% of these situations if you had talked to them before hand and are honest there would likely be no problems.
Don't get mad at the devs if you broke a rule and they don't believe you after the fact.

Mon 5 Aug 2019 3:15 PM by Turano

Niget wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 3:02 PM
I don't know what the fuss is about.
My wife and I play together, we sometimes share computers if I need the laptop for anything.
The only thing we had to do was contact a GM prior to account creation, and again when we found out about the ban wave coming. Took less than 5 min each time and we received no bans.
They seem professional, so I bet in 90% of these situations if you had talked to them before hand and are honest there would likely be no problems.
Don't get mad at the devs if you broke a rule and they don't believe you after the fact.

That might be weird to you but there are people that never visit the forum. They read the rule "one account player" and have no problem with that until they get banned for a rule they have never broken. They accept the rules as they are presented and don't have second thoughts about what the devs do.

Mon 5 Aug 2019 4:25 PM by Shamissa

There are a lot of folks who doesn’t even bother read the forums even before they create their account, they dont even read the rules and only push the agree button, “why” because some of them are excited about to just get into the game and dont think about reading the rules. My husband and i we play same household, started since beta, we have our own puter, but i have guildies, who acuatly have only one puter in their house and take turns, like father and son, or husband and wife. Really is not everyone who can afford 2 computers yet, or they just dont Mind to share the same acct. As long as you dont break the rules folks, you all should be fine. Wouldn’t be happening this ban wave , if folks haven’t broke the rules somehow. But be patience if you think your ban wasnt fair the staff are pretty nice, if you are nice to them. They will review your case and for sure if its unfair ban they will take care, is just so many will take sometime. Dont be mad at the dev’s either that wont help you a bit. Good Luck and hope you all get your accounts back on.

Mon 5 Aug 2019 7:06 PM by Subsonica

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:15 PM
Subsonica wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:09 PM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 1:43 AM
For what? Signing onto different realms inside of 12 hours?

Maybe the solution is having a link account feature so they are all realm locked

As i explained to @Ashock my mistake was to create on the same PC a second account, just to show to my son how is DAoC. then he played Alb and Mid, on his own machine, while i kept playing Hib on mine. Result: MY account banned for 3 days, don't know what will happen with the other one, guess it will be deleted, so my son will have to start again on Alb from zero from his own PC. end of story.

if you play hib and your son makes a new account in your household and plays alb you will BEST CASE get another round of bans for crossrealming (increased penatly because second time)

Sort it out with staff on discord, imo there are no in betweens that will work out. Either they believe you and not ban the acocunts, uphold a crossrealming penalty or they won't believe you and you will be banned again for multiaccounting (or worse, technically your son is creating new accounts while being banned, though that would require a son to exist at which point both no account should recieve a permaban for the current offense)

as i explained, my son (actually me, i did it for him) created the account. then everybody played on his own. he plays at his house (my ex wife's) and i play in my house. is this crossrealm? he doesn't play daoc since a couple of months, while i do. is this crossrealm?

Mon 5 Aug 2019 10:55 PM by gotwqqd

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:15 PM
Subsonica wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:09 PM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 1:43 AM
For what? Signing onto different realms inside of 12 hours?

Maybe the solution is having a link account feature so they are all realm locked

As i explained to @Ashock my mistake was to create on the same PC a second account, just to show to my son how is DAoC. then he played Alb and Mid, on his own machine, while i kept playing Hib on mine. Result: MY account banned for 3 days, don't know what will happen with the other one, guess it will be deleted, so my son will have to start again on Alb from zero from his own PC. end of story.

if you play hib and your son makes a new account in your household and plays alb you will BEST CASE get another round of bans for crossrealming (increased penatly because second time)

Sort it out with staff on discord, imo there are no in betweens that will work out. Either they believe you and not ban the acocunts, uphold a crossrealming penalty or they won't believe you and you will be banned again for multiaccounting (or worse, technically your son is creating new accounts while being banned, though that would require a son to exist at which point both no account should recieve a permaban for the current offense)

You cannot play on different rooms within a 24 hour.

Tue 6 Aug 2019 5:58 AM by Sepplord

Subsonica wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 7:06 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:15 PM
Subsonica wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:09 PM
As i explained to @Ashock my mistake was to create on the same PC a second account, just to show to my son how is DAoC. then he played Alb and Mid, on his own machine, while i kept playing Hib on mine. Result: MY account banned for 3 days, don't know what will happen with the other one, guess it will be deleted, so my son will have to start again on Alb from zero from his own PC. end of story.

if you play hib and your son makes a new account in your household and plays alb you will BEST CASE get another round of bans for crossrealming (increased penatly because second time)

Sort it out with staff on discord, imo there are no in betweens that will work out. Either they believe you and not ban the acocunts, uphold a crossrealming penalty or they won't believe you and you will be banned again for multiaccounting (or worse, technically your son is creating new accounts while being banned, though that would require a son to exist at which point both no account should recieve a permaban for the current offense)

as i explained, my son (actually me, i did it for him) created the account. then everybody played on his own. he plays at his house (my ex wife's) and i play in my house. is this crossrealm? he doesn't play daoc since a couple of months, while i do. is this crossrealm?

ah...okay, in that case it wouldn't cause a new problem, i assumed you were still living with your son

still should be an easy case to solve if you get staff to look into the issue. They will see both accounts activity and confirm you didn't do anything wrong. I would still personaly do it, even if it is just to get a "clean state" on my own account. I wouldn't want a ban-flag on my account if i had never done anything wrong

Tue 6 Aug 2019 6:00 AM by Sepplord

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 10:55 PM
You cannot play on different rooms within a 24 hour.

i'll assume you mean realms...and afaik that is incorrect, the timer is 12hours

but regardless of timer, why is that relevant for the current post or has anything to do with my comment?

Tue 6 Aug 2019 1:27 PM by Subsonica

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 6 Aug 2019 5:58 AM
Subsonica wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 7:06 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Aug 2019 2:15 PM
if you play hib and your son makes a new account in your household and plays alb you will BEST CASE get another round of bans for crossrealming (increased penatly because second time)

Sort it out with staff on discord, imo there are no in betweens that will work out. Either they believe you and not ban the acocunts, uphold a crossrealming penalty or they won't believe you and you will be banned again for multiaccounting (or worse, technically your son is creating new accounts while being banned, though that would require a son to exist at which point both no account should recieve a permaban for the current offense)

as i explained, my son (actually me, i did it for him) created the account. then everybody played on his own. he plays at his house (my ex wife's) and i play in my house. is this crossrealm? he doesn't play daoc since a couple of months, while i do. is this crossrealm?

ah...okay, in that case it wouldn't cause a new problem, i assumed you were still living with your son

still should be an easy case to solve if you get staff to look into the issue. They will see both accounts activity and confirm you didn't do anything wrong. I would still personaly do it, even if it is just to get a "clean state" on my own account. I wouldn't want a ban-flag on my account if i had never done anything wrong

that's exactly what i hope. my account for sure will be released today or tomorrow. about my son's i have no clue. following the rules it should be deleted.... it depends only on GM's will

Tue 6 Aug 2019 1:54 PM by elninost0rm

Not my proudest wank, but it got the job done. Thanks for the read.

Tue 6 Aug 2019 5:43 PM by Marneux

Subsonica wrote: ↑
Tue 6 Aug 2019 1:27 PM
that's exactly what i hope. my account for sure will be released today or tomorrow. about my son's i have no clue. following the rules it should be deleted.... it depends only on GM's will

Welp i have some similar issue and my ACC is not banned, but my daughter ACC is perma. Now we have to share ACC and all i got is, she Will have to start fresh.

I must say they were polite enought to unban my ACC, but now i have to deal with a 8yo girl. Just cause ( copypaste from GMS words); " "welcome to the internet; a "person" is identified by computer, doesn't matter what service you are using
the recent edit just made it more clear, but it always was 1 computer = 1 account" "

As i said. If rules were changed after the massban that means they were not clear enought.

Tue 6 Aug 2019 6:26 PM by Pops999

The rules were changed just like the NYT's headline was changed, most of you can't handle the truth.

Wed 7 Aug 2019 6:11 PM by Socra

This is the first time I'm writing on the forum but definitely want to thank the person who created this post for I too read '1 account / person' in the rules when in reality what was really enforced is '1 account creation / computer'.

I basically got banned 3 days for trying to introduce my wife to the game by creating her an account. I created it on her computer which it turns out I used to own, just some weeks ago prior my birthday

She played 20 minutes or so on the same realm as mine and got perma-banned shortly after that. Factually she realized the game wasn't cut for her in the very little time she played so no big deal for either of us, just a one-off try of a few minutes. But on the principle I find it shocking to assimilate a person to a computer, especially in the absence of clarity on it in the rules.

Long story short, a fair player got banned 3 days and another one perma-banned: the sin was trying to introduce a household to the game. I was told to re-read the rules, wait for 3 days and that was it for my wife's account - no discussion really, no deep-dive to understand/present my case which I would have gladly facilitated had I been given the 'chance'.

In any case, thanks again for opening this much-needed post, and thanks for providing the extra precision on the rules/checks following this thread.

Last but not least, considering her account is still banned to this time (which at this point we don't care if it's opened/closed, she's made her opinion on the game already) I suppose the computer is flagged as 'banned' too so I wonder if I would ever be in trouble if I logged in from it or invited a friend to play on it... I'm not keen to try to find out so what's the line of thoughts on this?

Wed 7 Aug 2019 6:26 PM by florin

In futbol terms this is referred to as “own goal”

Thu 8 Aug 2019 5:23 AM by Ashok

Socra wrote: ↑
Wed 7 Aug 2019 6:11 PM
the sin was trying to introduce a household to the game.

More like creating multiple accounts with only 1 computer available - there's no reason to do that except for working around the rules.

Even if we allow multiple accounts per computer, you would still be bound to the rest of rule 1.1 and 1.2, which are:
- only 1 account at the same time logged on a single computer
- all household accounts must play the same realm

Meaning a 2nd account would not yield any benefit with only 1 household computer. You have to play the same realm, meaning you also can use account #1 to do so.
(and this was already cleary explained in the rules prior to the update)

I suppose the computer is flagged as 'banned' too so I wonder if I would ever be in trouble if I logged in from it or invited a friend to play on it... I'm not keen to try to find out so what's the line of thoughts on this?

As long as you do not create additional accounts on the computer you used to create your own account you are fine. You also can use it on other computers...

Thu 8 Aug 2019 5:57 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Ashok wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Aug 2019 5:23 AM
Socra wrote: ↑
Wed 7 Aug 2019 6:11 PM
the sin was trying to introduce a household to the game.
More like creating multiple accounts with only 1 computer available - there's no reason to do that except for working around the rules.

Even if we allow multiple accounts per computer, you would still be bound to the rest of rule 1.1 and 1.2, which are:
- only 1 account at the same time logged on a single computer
- all household accounts must play the same realm

Meaning a 2nd account would not yield any benefit with only 1 household computer. You have to play the same realm, meaning you also can use account #1 to do so.
(and this was already cleary explained in the rules prior to the update)

I suppose the computer is flagged as 'banned' too so I wonder if I would ever be in trouble if I logged in from it or invited a friend to play on it... I'm not keen to try to find out so what's the line of thoughts on this?

As long as you do not create additional accounts on the computer you used to create your own account you are fine. You also can use it on other computers...

He clearly said they have more than one computer and they created her account on a computer he previously owned; as in, he replaced the old with a new one and gave her the old one, then they made an account for her while he continued to play on the new machine. Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just assume everyone is a liar?

Thu 8 Aug 2019 6:53 AM by

Uthred

Ok guys, thats why we dont discuss bans in public. Because it just ends in blaming and facts get lost.

Both of those accs were created on the same computer. Fact. This is why he got a 3 day and a perma ban.

If someone thinks a ban is not correct, what are you guys supposed to do then? No, not blaming the staff on the forum. Yes, contact a gamemaster via Discord (easiest) or via DM on the forum.

ExcretusMaximus wrote: Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just assume everyone is a liar?

If I would be a funny guy (which im absolut not), i could ask you the same: Do you assume that every staffmember is a liar and every ban is not correct?

Anyways, the main topic of this thread got answered/solved many pages ago. As bans are always way more heated than anything else, im going to lock this thread now.

If anybody else thinks, that his/hers ban is not correct, you know how what to do. Thank you for reading and understanding.

Locked.