defiasbandit wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 5:39 PM
rubaduck wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 5:23 PM
defiasbandit wrote: ↑Wed 10 Oct 2018 5:12 PM
There you go again with designing the server around premade 8manners.
Don't wipe the realm ranks because 8 man premaders might lose their rr12. Give out rewards to only the 8 man premade healers! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
What the hell man, I haven't even mentioned 8 man, or given it an 8 man context.The only names I've listed, is Yamyam, who is a solo ranger (so there goes your argument down the drain, AGAIN) and Bastardo, who did a lot of solo on his minstrel in between his 8 man (not gonna discuss his actions or anything else in regards of Moudjo, so there goes your argument down the drain YET AGAIN!).
Top healer doesn't have to be 8 man, healing = damage taken to players, and a good 8 man group doesn't take a lot of damage to begin with so... you figure that one out on your own (there goes your argument down the drain AGAIN!!!!!) And it was an example to show you that the tools and inrastructure is already in place to make that incentive available, it was not a critique to your argument, so why so salty? Do you not like when people disagree with you, do you need to go to the level of a 5 year old child when people are picking appart your ideas? Learn to use conctructive criticism to something productive instead.
I usually say, don't wipe your ass before you take a dump, as in don't speak before you think. You showed an example of the former and latter now defias.
Being condescending in my post does not help the discussion at all. I am aware. It's unnecessary and I mainly did it just to illicit a fast reply.
I think we agree on something however. We have to keep the "casual" playerbase on the server. I know DAOC is not a casual game exactly, but Phoenix is trying to help encourage those types of players more.
The hardcores are going to play no matter as long as the population is healthy. We have to find incentivies to keep these less experienced and active players.
Do I think it can be accomplished without seasons? Sure, but the casuals need ways to achieve progress and rewards throughout their time in RvR. Currently the devs want to slow down RP gain, so casuals will struggle even more once they reach realm rank 5. What progress will they have then? Why will they bother?
Let me explain my DAOC experience back during live 16 years ago. I had a lots of fun, but I remember the moment I quit the game. It is engrained in my brain forever. The images themselves are still there. I am not exaggerating.
I recall standing outside of Drum Ligen with my Elf Eldritch who I had spent over 6 months leveling. I asked and I asked if I could join a group to RvR with. I was denied over and over again, because of my template. When the reality was more that I wasn't part of the incrowd and they didn't want me.
Flashbacks of those 8 man groups leaving the player keep one by one scurrying into the hib frontier. Trying to chase after them without speed, without endo, just walking alone in a desolate zone without any RvR in sight.
Yes it is why I am pointing it out, but I don't take any offense by it. We are all here on this server because we want a hint of nostalgia yet still something new. We are not here because we want the server to fail, or the beta to be a disaster.
I understand what you mean by Seasons, I play Path of Exile and it is probably one of the most fun part of that game: the constant change of pace and content. But this is not an action rpg, nor is it a powerhouse MMO. It is a game with probably the best PVP system ever implemented in a MMO game ever. It's not Right vs Left, Good vs Evil, it is three nations combating on an open field with cooks and cranks beating the living #%(& out of each other. Timing is essential, vision is important and most of all, a fun time with people you love to play with. I get it, 100%. I am not playing daoc because I just discovered this fine game, I play it because I love Daoc just as much now as I did when I made my first US account in vanilla Daoc many many years ago and later the EU account in Shrouded Isle one year after that. But the matter of fact is, that if you wipe realm ranks, the hardcore players, the routined groups, the routined smallmen will still gain their RR's in whichever pace it is put in, while the casuals will be in that "struggle" forever, and never really achieving anything.
I do want casuals to be more inclined to do rvr on a larger scale, I want to pick up pugs and play with them but the matter of fact is that I don't know them but I know my guild. I have played with three of my guild members since SI Live, and they have played with many of the guildies on Uthgard, and the other randoms we got to know on Phoenix became a staple part of our groups because we learned to play with them, and they learned to play with us. That is the hard part with this game, we need to invest time on both ends, and that makes it difficult to pick up strangers and just move out. We seek a comfort, just like anybody else. Our guild has always tried to set a standard for us, we do not abide by them all the time but we keep them as a reminder to our selves. This is something we as a guild can be better at to improve the experience for casuals, but I can't speak on behalf on anybody but myself on this matter.
That feeling, that feeling is so good. I used to play daoc day in, day out... sucking! I never understood why I needed a template to make my infil a beast. I didn't understand the importance of assisting targets as my theurgist and I've spent years playing the game being mad at other players for not wanting to pick me or my friends up. In later years we were in a position where we could change, we learned a whole lot more, and managed to lead everything from PVE farming for templates to big pvp zergs to full 8 man groups. But this was because I learned from my own mistakes. I was also the dude who were left out in Castle Cauvage, watching group after group running out. And every pug I played failed, because I sucked. It was heartbreaking to never be successful, but over time I learned.
I played through SI, TOA, Catacombs and Darkness Rising before I first hung the account up to dry. When Laby was released I played from about 6 months after it's release for another two years before I said enough. It was heartbreaking, because no other game could provide me with the same sensation, and none has ever since either. That's why I love phoenix, they listen to the playerbase and try to do as much QoL and balance that they can. And while we have different play styles, our end goal is the same regardless. I also endorse some of your ideas, here because I agree with them, while others are just too alien to me for this game.
In the end we are just talking about giving us something to always aim for progression wise, and when it comes to this game where the staff is not making its own expansions. The easiest form of adding progression is recycling it in some way.
