Slash Rangers are Busted - Phoenix Freeshard

We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:42 AM by LedriTheThane

Not suggesting what to change here, but I always thought the whole "resistant/neutral/vulnerable" types of armor is a really dumb idea from a balancing standpoint, but that's just me.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:47 AM by BaldEagle

LedriTheThane wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:42 AM
Not suggesting what to change here, but I always thought the whole "resistant/neutral/vulnerable" types of armor is a really dumb idea from a balancing standpoint, but that's just me.

Would be a massive change at this point. I just want my Norse with Dragonfury to do more dmg than 1-handers per hit.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:52 AM by Cadebrennus

BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

This has got to be the most deluded post I've seen so far in this forum regarding Rangers. Ranger CD/Blades melee is very much in the dumpster, so much so that I moved to Alb and went DW/Thrust spec. The only reason I went Alb before Mid is because I got a faster response on my plat transfer post from Alb than Mid. If I had not I would be playing a Left Axe/Sword spec on Mid right now.

Check your delusions at the door.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 6:01 AM by inoeth

so far there are very few rangers that defeat my hunter and that only depends on evade luck for them.

just dont spec sword, without legend weapon it simply sucks ass
spec high spear and get fast weapons, then rangers are beatable

greetings
rr7 hunter

Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM by dbeattie71

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:52 AM
BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

This has got to be the most deluded post I've seen so far in this forum regarding Rangers. Ranger CD/Blades melee is very much in the dumpster, so much so that I moved to Alb and went DW/Thrust spec. The only reason I went Alb before Mid is because I got a faster response on my plat transfer post from Alb than Mid. If I had not I would be playing a Left Axe/Sword spec on Mid right now.

Check your delusions at the door.

Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:56 PM by florin

Logged in last night 39 rangers - top of the list.

The stealth changes only made them even more desirable.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 3:54 PM by Druth

One issue is that speccing low bow is to good. Should decrease damage for lower bow, and increase for high.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:13 PM by Exarcia

BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

I was hitting you for 110 to 150 main hand and you are slash vulnerable. You were hitting me for like 250 with you pet hitting for 90 to 96, and I'm slash resistant. Anyway, good fight and see you out there.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:44 PM by Mavella

Exarcia wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:13 PM
BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

I was hitting you for 110 to 150 main hand and you are slash vulnerable. You were hitting me for like 250 with you pet hitting for 90 to 96, and I'm slash resistant. Anyway, good fight and see you out there.

And probably swinging 1.5-2.5x faster than a hunter using a 5.6 2her.

The option to slot a weapon in your left hand no matter how high your spec in that offhand line is objectively the best melee damage boost you can ask for.

Add in the ability to spec MoA and get pre charge nerf levels of strength + a ton of other free stats from it boosting combined forces is just stupid. Damage Add allows for legion heart+heal to be popped every 2 minutes rather than DA charge. IP on standby incase something actually puts up a struggle. Can pull out the even low spec bow for ranged effectiveness in a pinch. Side stun, evade stun, side snare, 30% haste debuff built in.

What's the downside to this class again?

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:14 PM by Deorcnes

Mavella wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:44 PM
Exarcia wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:13 PM
BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

I was hitting you for 110 to 150 main hand and you are slash vulnerable. You were hitting me for like 250 with you pet hitting for 90 to 96, and I'm slash resistant. Anyway, good fight and see you out there.

And probably swinging 1.5-2.5x faster than a hunter using a 5.6 2her.

The option to slot a weapon in your left hand no matter how high your spec in that offhand line is objectively the best melee damage boost you can ask for.

Add in the ability to spec MoA and get pre charge nerf levels of strength + a ton of other free stats from it boosting combined forces is just stupid. Damage Add allows for legion heart+heal to be popped every 2 minutes rather than DA charge. IP on standby incase something actually puts up a struggle. Can pull out the even low spec bow for ranged effectiveness in a pinch. Side stun, evade stun, side snare, 30% haste debuff built in.

What's the downside to this class again?

What are we comparing rangers to? hunters or SB's?

Hunters gets some nice toys though.
Str/Con debuff sword - if sepced sword.
Insta Pet which decreases evade and acts as a dmg add.
Still get MoA.
Still get IP
They have 1 less skill to spec in and template.
Then there are toys in the specs that would depend on spear or sword.

But we are also talking classes that have a rock / paper / scissors disadvantage to blade rangers / blade shades specifically.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:20 PM by Exarcia

What cracks me up is when people ask in advice if ranger works in melee and they get laughed off the server.

We do crap damage compared to an assassin. We can stand up to them with all CDs due to better armor, IP and a nice dehaste.

I really wish they would give me a str/con debuff weapon like SBs tho.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:34 PM by Mavella

Deorcnes wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:14 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:44 PM
Exarcia wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:13 PM
I was hitting you for 110 to 150 main hand and you are slash vulnerable. You were hitting me for like 250 with you pet hitting for 90 to 96, and I'm slash resistant. Anyway, good fight and see you out there.

And probably swinging 1.5-2.5x faster than a hunter using a 5.6 2her.

The option to slot a weapon in your left hand no matter how high your spec in that offhand line is objectively the best melee damage boost you can ask for.

Add in the ability to spec MoA and get pre charge nerf levels of strength + a ton of other free stats from it boosting combined forces is just stupid. Damage Add allows for legion heart+heal to be popped every 2 minutes rather than DA charge. IP on standby incase something actually puts up a struggle. Can pull out the even low spec bow for ranged effectiveness in a pinch. Side stun, evade stun, side snare, 30% haste debuff built in.

What's the downside to this class again?

What are we comparing rangers to? hunters or SB's?

All stealth in general? Why play a NS when a Ranger is so much more effective in so many RvR situations. Ask any scout if they are envious of the rangers kit. The only reason hunters are more competitive now is the fact the pet is no longer a free reactive proc trigger for enemies. I can have a 4 RR advantage on a melee blade ranger and will 100% die if they have IP up. Other times they can just purge legion charge+pot and that's enough.

The only reason I can compete is stacked ws/con and str/con debuffs(ofc their DA isn't reduced by this) . If I didn't have those I know I'd get blown out of the water by rr6+ ones almost every time.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:33 PM by Cadebrennus

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:52 AM
BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

This has got to be the most deluded post I've seen so far in this forum regarding Rangers. Ranger CD/Blades melee is very much in the dumpster, so much so that I moved to Alb and went DW/Thrust spec. The only reason I went Alb before Mid is because I got a faster response on my plat transfer post from Alb than Mid. If I had not I would be playing a Left Axe/Sword spec on Mid right now.

Check your delusions at the door.

Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

LOL no kidding!

Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:41 PM by caelio

if u loose with your hunter against a ranger, u can delete

Thu 4 Jul 2019 9:14 PM by Mavella

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:33 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:52 AM
This has got to be the most deluded post I've seen so far in this forum regarding Rangers. Ranger CD/Blades melee is very much in the dumpster, so much so that I moved to Alb and went DW/Thrust spec. The only reason I went Alb before Mid is because I got a faster response on my plat transfer post from Alb than Mid. If I had not I would be playing a Left Axe/Sword spec on Mid right now.

Check your delusions at the door.

Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

LOL no kidding!

CD is strong because of the massive utility provided for a paltry 18 spec . LA and DW are nowhere in the same league for so little invested. Of course any added investment past 18 is just more dps for the ranger.

CD is also >>>>>>> than 2h or 1h+shield spec due to the defense penetration bonus.

You two enjoy your little circle jerk though. No one is claiming CD is strong because of the growth rates lmao.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 11:45 PM by Cadebrennus

Mavella wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 9:14 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:33 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM
Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

LOL no kidding!

CD is strong because of the massive utility provided for a paltry 18 spec . LA and DW are nowhere in the same league for so little invested. Of course any added investment past 18 is just more dps for the ranger.

CD is also >>>>>>> than 2h or 1h+shield spec due to the defense penetration bonus.

You two enjoy your little circle jerk though. No one is claiming CD is strong because of the growth rates lmao.

There's no denying that the utility is the best of the dual wielding lines. I've said so time and again. However because of the crappy GRs in CD no one really specs it above 27, in comparison to the lines available in Alb and Mid, which are often specced 40+ and most likely to 50. This means that Hibs are on the lower end of offhand swing % and damage, while Alb and Hib reap the benefits of a high LA/DW spec, and Hibs don't.

Anything past 18 CD for a Ranger is less points invested elsewhere, so that means either less Blades which NEEDS to be specced high for any return (DPS, defense penetration), PF, Stealth, or Archery. It's just a shitty argument when people pretend that Rangers spec really high in everything when it simply isn't mathematically possible. Meanwhile Hunters and Scouts can spec fairly high in all of their lines without gimping the other. Unlike Rangers there is little sacrifice.

Thu 4 Jul 2019 11:45 PM by Deorcnes

Mavella wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 9:14 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:33 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM
Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

LOL no kidding!

CD is strong because of the massive utility provided for a paltry 18 spec . LA and DW are nowhere in the same league for so little invested. Of course any added investment past 18 is just more dps for the ranger.

CD is also >>>>>>> than 2h or 1h+shield spec due to the defense penetration bonus.

You two enjoy your little circle jerk though. No one is claiming CD is strong because of the growth rates lmao.

If I remember correctly the pet counts as a second attacker there for having the same defense penetration as CD.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 12:35 AM by gotwqqd

40/39/39/34@RR5?

Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:07 AM by Saroi

There is only one good melee ranger I have encountered so far and that is Nesretnik. Had fun battles with him with my SB with win and loses. So far on Inf I had 1 fight. Most others you encounter just start to run away and not even fight. Same with NS. I attacked like 3-4 NS yesterday on DC bridge and they just instant vanish without a fight. I srsly don't get this whole Hib stealthers are op.

Hunters had a good buff with the recent stealth changes and the pet. The pet is hitting my Inf for around 120 damage, that is what I do with my 1h. And I get around 250-300 damage from 2h, depending on style. Doesn't matter if 2h Sword or spear.

As for CD. CD is by far the weakest of all 3. Only good style is the 18 stun that is good. The damage sucks and Blade rangers only use blade styles, because the damage is the same and you get a haste debuff on the follow up. Hunter have a Backstun too with spear so the utility is the same, to get it off it is the same walkthrough like CD sidestun in a 1v1. Just look up on the videos of Feanirar.

And about the 12 more AF. Did you look that in the Charplaner? That has still the old buff system in it. When the charge changes came in, all self buffs have been added to the same levels.

Speaking of damage add. The damage add is lower than the charge. And if you compare that damage with the damage your pet does, I am sure your pet outdamages a damage add. I usually see around 20-22 damage from a rangers damage add. So if you take 2x 20 for Main and offhand, you get 40 damage. Having to hits is 80 damage.
Reading from Exarcia your pet did 90-96 damage per hit. So I think the damage evens out pretty well or even slightly in your favour.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:20 AM by BaldEagle

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:33 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:52 AM
This has got to be the most deluded post I've seen so far in this forum regarding Rangers. Ranger CD/Blades melee is very much in the dumpster, so much so that I moved to Alb and went DW/Thrust spec. The only reason I went Alb before Mid is because I got a faster response on my plat transfer post from Alb than Mid. If I had not I would be playing a Left Axe/Sword spec on Mid right now.

Check your delusions at the door.

Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

LOL no kidding!

You laughing because you didn’t know and rerolled as you said earlier?

I don’t get it.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:59 AM by Saroi

Mavella wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:44 PM
Exarcia wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 4:13 PM
BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 5:17 AM
We all somewhat knew this already, but now it is becoming the norm on the server.

CD is the most OP stealther spec line and slash on a hib is superior to any other stealther class vs their possible opponents. On top of this, the recent buff changes have gives rangers even more of an advantage. On top of the dmg add, they get 12 AF (x1.3) as well compared to a hunter for the same amount of spec points (42 in BC or PF).

This needs to be addressed. The masses are already running towards melee rangers.

Resistant vs vulernable or not, Dragonfury shouldn't hit less than a ranger. That's a joke.

I was hitting you for 110 to 150 main hand and you are slash vulnerable. You were hitting me for like 250 with you pet hitting for 90 to 96, and I'm slash resistant. Anyway, good fight and see you out there.

And probably swinging 1.5-2.5x faster than a hunter using a 5.6 2her.

The option to slot a weapon in your left hand no matter how high your spec in that offhand line is objectively the best melee damage boost you can ask for.

Add in the ability to spec MoA and get pre charge nerf levels of strength + a ton of other free stats from it boosting combined forces is just stupid. Damage Add allows for legion heart+heal to be popped every 2 minutes rather than DA charge. IP on standby incase something actually puts up a struggle. Can pull out the even low spec bow for ranged effectiveness in a pinch. Side stun, evade stun, side snare, 30% haste debuff built in.

What's the downside to this class again?

Every class that has access to selfbuffs, this includes casters with just their shield can spec MoA. So Hunter too and they are able to get the same better buffs than Rangers. The damage add is something rangers have but hunters get a pet, which got a huge buff and hits for 90-120 damage depending on enemy. If I fight a hunter it is way more harder than vs. Rangers. Especially because I take so much more damage with the 2h and pet.

It is give or take and everyone has something against eachother. If a scout gets a slam of a Ranger without purge, he will be able to get some shots off. If a Scout slams a hunter, he doesn't even have to use is purge because his pet is still attacking. Even if the scout manages to slam the pet he still lost valueable seconds. Same applies to casters, if you manage to CC the hunter you still have a pet hitting on you.

A Ranger is kiteable. With my level 45 BD I was able to kill Yamyam(Was rr 7 at that time), who at this day ist still the highest Ranger. Simple because I was able to kite him. That is something you do not have against a hunter because pets now outrun you.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 3:12 AM by Cadebrennus

BaldEagle wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:20 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 8:33 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:16 PM
Funny how people think CD is superior vs the blade styles 😂

LOL no kidding!

You laughing because you didn’t know and rerolled as you said earlier?

I don’t get it.

Not knowing something about Rangers isn't something I do. We are laughing at the hyperbole present in this thread from everyone who thinks that Rangers are these ninja-gjnsu killing machines.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 6:34 AM by Druth

Imagine if rangers could wear eye-patches

Anyway... I would put rangers in the "good class" category. Well rounded, but lacks tools to fight several targets (like minstrel for example).
Alone the fact that they might seem as strong as assassins, but don't have vanish, makes me hate them 1986 times less.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:06 AM by Sepplord

blade-rangers were always good at fighting assassins, not over the top, but still wierd to have them that strong VS pure melee stealth while still having decent range damage

then Buffpots were changed, making hunter/ranger comparably stronger than the 4 other stealth
then archer detection got buffed

and NF makes bow much more useful on top

go figure

if you want to play a melee stealth, ranger is your best bet now, closely followed by the hunter

Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:47 AM by inoeth

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:06 AM
blade-rangers were always good at fighting assassins, not over the top, but still wierd to have them that strong VS pure melee stealth while still having decent range damage

then Buffpots were changed, making hunter/ranger comparably stronger than the 4 other stealth
then archer detection got buffed

and NF makes bow much more useful on top

go figure

if you want to play a melee stealth, ranger is your best bet now, closely followed by the hunter

imo hunter is stronger than ranger^^ i really have no struggle to win vs rangers with my hunter

Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:04 AM by Saroi

Druth wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 6:34 AM
Imagine if rangers could wear eye-patches

Anyway... I would put rangers in the "good class" category. Well rounded, but lacks tools to fight several targets (like minstrel for example).
Alone the fact that they might seem as strong as assassins, but don't have vanish, makes me hate them 1986 times less.

I am still surprised to see stealthers have vanish. I don't have vanish with my Inf, guess it shows when I am in the top 20 of death this week.

I mean you can always go back to action with no port or rvr immunity atm, it is not even worth it.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:10 AM by DasBier

Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:04 AM
Druth wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 6:34 AM
Imagine if rangers could wear eye-patches

Anyway... I would put rangers in the "good class" category. Well rounded, but lacks tools to fight several targets (like minstrel for example).
Alone the fact that they might seem as strong as assassins, but don't have vanish, makes me hate them 1986 times less.

I am still surprised to see stealthers have vanish. I don't have vanish with my Inf, guess it shows when I am in the top 20 of death this week.
I mean you can always go back to action with no port or rvr immunity atm, it is not even worth it.

Vanish is useless

Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:14 AM by Saroi

DasBier wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:10 AM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:04 AM
Druth wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 6:34 AM
Imagine if rangers could wear eye-patches

Anyway... I would put rangers in the "good class" category. Well rounded, but lacks tools to fight several targets (like minstrel for example).
Alone the fact that they might seem as strong as assassins, but don't have vanish, makes me hate them 1986 times less.

I am still surprised to see stealthers have vanish. I don't have vanish with my Inf, guess it shows when I am in the top 20 of death this week.
I mean you can always go back to action with no port or rvr immunity atm, it is not even worth it.

Vanish is useless

Yeah but there are still people using it. I had a few fights vs. NS on DC bridge and I attacked them out of stealth without PA and they instantly vanished. I never understand that they don't even try to fight.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:42 AM by Sepplord

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:47 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:06 AM
blade-rangers were always good at fighting assassins, not over the top, but still wierd to have them that strong VS pure melee stealth while still having decent range damage

then Buffpots were changed, making hunter/ranger comparably stronger than the 4 other stealth
then archer detection got buffed

and NF makes bow much more useful on top

go figure

if you want to play a melee stealth, ranger is your best bet now, closely followed by the hunter

imo hunter is stronger than ranger^^ i really have no struggle to win vs rangers with my hunter

quite possible that hunter is even a tad stronger...i don't fight them so my perception in that regard might be skewed...my hunter is still lowRR and i suck at backstunning in 1vs1

both being as strong as they are in melee, while retaining most of their ranged damage capabilities is a balancing flaw imo.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 10:33 AM by inoeth

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:42 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:47 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 7:06 AM
blade-rangers were always good at fighting assassins, not over the top, but still wierd to have them that strong VS pure melee stealth while still having decent range damage

then Buffpots were changed, making hunter/ranger comparably stronger than the 4 other stealth
then archer detection got buffed

and NF makes bow much more useful on top

go figure

if you want to play a melee stealth, ranger is your best bet now, closely followed by the hunter

imo hunter is stronger than ranger^^ i really have no struggle to win vs rangers with my hunter

quite possible that hunter is even a tad stronger...i don't fight them so my perception in that regard might be skewed...my hunter is still lowRR and i suck at backstunning in 1vs1

both being as strong as they are in melee, while retaining most of their ranged damage capabilities is a balancing flaw imo.

worked like that for many years, in fact i remember it as the best time in daoc with my hunter on live. after the bow change you had to decide if you wanted to be an archer or melee since EA didnt move the pet into the bow line like they did with buffs of rangers, while maintaining original spec points, making the ranger even stronger at that point.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 10:53 AM by Moid

This post convinces me that it’ll never stop. Mids will cry for Hibs to be nerfed until the server is turned off. It won’t matter how overpopulated Mids are or how underpopulated Hibs are, Mids will not be satisfied until there are no Hibs playing.

This very same thing happened on live back in the early days. Mids would come crying to the old VN forums anytime a single Mid would die to a Hib in RvR and scream for nerfs.

This really is a strange phenomenon and I cannot even begin to understand the mentality.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 11:38 AM by inoeth

Moid wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 10:53 AM
This post convinces me that it’ll never stop. Mids will cry for Hibs to be nerfed until the server is turned off. It won’t matter how overpopulated Mids are or how underpopulated Hibs are, Mids will not be satisfied until there are no Hibs playing.

This very same thing happened on live back in the early days. Mids would come crying to the old VN forums anytime a single Mid would die to a Hib in RvR and scream for nerfs.

This really is a strange phenomenon and I cannot even begin to understand the mentality.

what about hibs/albs crying over warlocks/bd/doublefrost/savage?
everyone is constantly crying dude, thats for a reason and its good people do that so overpowered thing get changed.. if this was not done, then people would leave because one side is too strong. think about that

Fri 5 Jul 2019 1:41 PM by Horus

Moid wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 10:53 AM
This post convinces me that it’ll never stop. Mids will cry for Hibs to be nerfed until the server is turned off. It won’t matter how overpopulated Mids are or how underpopulated Hibs are, Mids will not be satisfied until there are no Hibs playing.

This very same thing happened on live back in the early days. Mids would come crying to the old VN forums anytime a single Mid would die to a Hib in RvR and scream for nerfs.

This really is a strange phenomenon and I cannot even begin to understand the mentality.

It is funny how some feel they should win every encounter and if they lose their 1st response is "nerf class x"

Win a few, lose a few...on to the next one.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:41 PM by Deorcnes

LOL.. VPM kills me every time i fight him.. NERF ZERKERS..

Nah the class is fine... he's just a beast!

I win some, I loose some against everyone.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 9:44 PM by Turano

Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:14 AM
DasBier wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:10 AM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:04 AM
I am still surprised to see stealthers have vanish. I don't have vanish with my Inf, guess it shows when I am in the top 20 of death this week.
I mean you can always go back to action with no port or rvr immunity atm, it is not even worth it.

Vanish is useless

Yeah but there are still people using it. I had a few fights vs. NS on DC bridge and I attacked them out of stealth without PA and they instantly vanished. I never understand that they don't even try to fight.

for pvp in DF vanish is very useful. You only have one try, if you get killed there is no repeat.
Or when you wanna kill someone in a keep and get away from the guards after.
Though you are right it's not super useful in open rvr

Sat 6 Jul 2019 1:39 PM by Saroi

Turano wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 9:44 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:14 AM
DasBier wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 8:10 AM
Vanish is useless

Yeah but there are still people using it. I had a few fights vs. NS on DC bridge and I attacked them out of stealth without PA and they instantly vanished. I never understand that they don't even try to fight.
for pvp in DF vanish is very useful. You only have one try, if you get killed there is no repeat.
Or when you wanna kill someone in a keep and get away from the guards after.
Though you are right it's not super useful in open rvr

For DF I agree but keep? I don't know. I have been on a suicide mission this week. I mean the guards, especially if they are red already hit so hard that I don't think it is worth it to vanish. Just die, come back and repeat

Sat 6 Jul 2019 7:23 PM by Turano

Saroi wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Jul 2019 1:39 PM
For DF I agree but keep? I don't know. I have been on a suicide mission this week. I mean the guards, especially if they are red already hit so hard that I don't think it is worth it to vanish. Just die, come back and repeat

And it's bugged as well. Vanished against 3 shredders 2 days ago, 1 still stayed on me and killed me thanks to 30 seconds disarm

Sat 6 Jul 2019 7:31 PM by Saroi

Turano wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Jul 2019 7:23 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Jul 2019 1:39 PM
For DF I agree but keep? I don't know. I have been on a suicide mission this week. I mean the guards, especially if they are red already hit so hard that I don't think it is worth it to vanish. Just die, come back and repeat
And it's bugged as well. Vanished against 3 shredders 2 days ago, 1 still stayed on me and killed me thanks to 30 seconds disarm

Yeah, seems mobs are like pets, they do not care. I had that with those Shredders.