SM pet - Phoenix Freeshard

This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)

just needed it off my chest since i died in a rvr zone.

edit: in anger i forgot my suggestion…..

you can start With cutting it in half and we can see from there.

Tue 2 Jul 2019 6:32 PM by vxr

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 5:55 PM
This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)

just needed it off my chest since i died in a rvr zone.

edit: in anger i forgot my suggestion….. you can start With cutting it in half and we can see from there.

This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
I was confused about this, but after I read it a few times I think you mean qc (quick cast) his pet. Of course. that is the smart thing to do. You can't purge a QC pet, but you can purge a QC mezz.

This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)
As far as I am aware, the intercept rate has always been the same and not many people are flocking to solo on SM. Why do I mention solo? Because in groups the intercept is negligible. #2 SM for solo kills is Bomberpilot with only 280 solo kills. There are 43 other solo casters that are ahead of the number 2 solo SM, including multiple of the following: Necros, BDs, Sorcs, Wizards chanters, animists and a few others. There is only 1 SM that falls in the top solo kills coming in at number 70.

Just curious, which SM prompted you to make this post?

Tue 2 Jul 2019 9:30 PM by teiloh

SM pets at this patch level took much, much more damage when intercepting.

Tue 2 Jul 2019 9:46 PM by paqdizzle

teiloh wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 9:30 PM
SM pets at this patch level took much, much more damage when intercepting.

regardless, it's a blue conned mob that shouldn't be that much of a tank.. take slams for it's master, and stun lock people.
The devs had NO issues nerfing theurgs but well..... here we are.
I don't see amber pets stunning people anymore( it's that bad of a nerf)

the only pet on alb side that takes hits for it's master is a necro pet, and well you know what happens after necro pet dies...

Wed 3 Jul 2019 12:35 AM by teiloh

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 9:46 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 9:30 PM
SM pets at this patch level took much, much more damage when intercepting.

regardless, it's a blue conned mob that shouldn't be that much of a tank.. take slams for it's master, and stun lock people.
The devs had NO issues nerfing theurgs but well..... here we are.
I don't see amber pets stunning people anymore( it's that bad of a nerf)

the only pet on alb side that takes hits for it's master is a necro pet, and well you know what happens after necro pet dies...

SM pets almost never stunned at this patch level either. Went from a 5-10% chance with a very measly range to 25% and 300, meanwhile Amber pet range was reduced from 700ish to 500ish, they rarely cast from range, and their stun rate is the exact same as the SM's on paper. Then suddenly the amber stun was changed from Body to Spirit some time so it doesn't benefit from Cab Body debuff either.

So one pet intercepts, procs bt, stuns, cold DDs and lifetaps

The other one stuns ... and has a self con buff

Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:44 PM by Lillebror

vxr wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 6:32 PM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 5:55 PM
This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)

just needed it off my chest since i died in a rvr zone.

edit: in anger i forgot my suggestion….. you can start With cutting it in half and we can see from there.

This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
I was confused about this, but after I read it a few times I think you mean qc (quick cast) his pet. Of course. that is the smart thing to do. You can't purge a QC pet, but you can purge a QC mezz.

This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)
As far as I am aware, the intercept rate has always been the same and not many people are flocking to solo on SM. Why do I mention solo? Because in groups the intercept is negligible. #2 SM for solo kills is Bomberpilot with only 280 solo kills. There are 43 other solo casters that are ahead of the number 2 solo SM, including multiple of the following: Necros, BDs, Sorcs, Wizards chanters, animists and a few others. There is only 1 SM that falls in the top solo kills coming in at number 70.

Just curious, which SM prompted you to make this post?

Bombzz i have tried you only once and i fucked up my pa so that was on me.
and it was a random rr3 or rr4 SM, i jumped plenty SM's on Minstrel With no problem due to CC on pet. With a cc'd pet SM behave like a normal cloth caster. If no cc on pet, im 95% sure its easier to take Down any tank. Its total bs, and even BD is fair game if you compare. Mid is a tank realm and 2/3 of there cloth casters is worse to take Down in melee than most classes in game.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:49 PM by ExcretusMaximus

teiloh wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 12:35 AM
So one pet intercepts, procs bt, stuns, cold DDs and lifetaps

The other one stuns ... and has a self con buff

I like how you leave out all the benefits of Cabalist pets to strengthen your ridiculous argument.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:01 PM by vxr

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:44 PM
vxr wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 6:32 PM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 5:55 PM
This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)

just needed it off my chest since i died in a rvr zone.

edit: in anger i forgot my suggestion….. you can start With cutting it in half and we can see from there.

This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
I was confused about this, but after I read it a few times I think you mean qc (quick cast) his pet. Of course. that is the smart thing to do. You can't purge a QC pet, but you can purge a QC mezz.

This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)
As far as I am aware, the intercept rate has always been the same and not many people are flocking to solo on SM. Why do I mention solo? Because in groups the intercept is negligible. #2 SM for solo kills is Bomberpilot with only 280 solo kills. There are 43 other solo casters that are ahead of the number 2 solo SM, including multiple of the following: Necros, BDs, Sorcs, Wizards chanters, animists and a few others. There is only 1 SM that falls in the top solo kills coming in at number 70.

Just curious, which SM prompted you to make this post?

Bombzz i have tried you only once and i fucked up my pa so that was on me.
and it was a random rr3 or rr4 SM, i jumped plenty SM's on Minstrel With no problem due to CC on pet. With a cc'd pet SM behave like a normal cloth caster. If no cc on pet, im 95% sure its easier to take Down any tank. Its total bs, and even BD is fair game if you compare. Mid is a tank realm and 2/3 of there cloth casters is worse to take Down in melee than most classes in game.

Hey there. Ya, a good Minstrel is definitely the hardest 1v1 for me. Who's your Minstrel? In your opinion, SM harder to take down in melee 1v1 than BD?

Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:15 PM by Lillebror

vxr wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:01 PM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:44 PM
vxr wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 6:32 PM
This is over the top, two ppl attack a SM and Sm's choice to cc his pet after its dead instead of CC or Dps.
I was confused about this, but after I read it a few times I think you mean qc (quick cast) his pet. Of course. that is the smart thing to do. You can't purge a QC pet, but you can purge a QC mezz.

This Block rate is beyond retarded. I all welcome more deverse classes in rvr but a clothcaster With high dps thats way harder to take Down than any tank in game (given you dont have CC)
As far as I am aware, the intercept rate has always been the same and not many people are flocking to solo on SM. Why do I mention solo? Because in groups the intercept is negligible. #2 SM for solo kills is Bomberpilot with only 280 solo kills. There are 43 other solo casters that are ahead of the number 2 solo SM, including multiple of the following: Necros, BDs, Sorcs, Wizards chanters, animists and a few others. There is only 1 SM that falls in the top solo kills coming in at number 70.

Just curious, which SM prompted you to make this post?

Bombzz i have tried you only once and i fucked up my pa so that was on me.
and it was a random rr3 or rr4 SM, i jumped plenty SM's on Minstrel With no problem due to CC on pet. With a cc'd pet SM behave like a normal cloth caster. If no cc on pet, im 95% sure its easier to take Down any tank. Its total bs, and even BD is fair game if you compare. Mid is a tank realm and 2/3 of there cloth casters is worse to take Down in melee than most classes in game.

Hey there. Ya, a good Minstrel is definitely the hardest 1v1 for me. Who's your Minstrel? In your opinion, SM harder to take down in melee 1v1 than BD?

BD is possible with luck on crits and the PA+CD stun+ disease stick . SM so far is 50-90% intersept. So my exp lead me to jump a BD before SM, if we are a duo its not even close, it will be the BD.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:40 PM by Kemoauc

It's also not only the intercept but the pet so god damn tanky. I hit a BD commander for 400+ and an sm pet for like 150 with a 6.0 2hander. Against a BD I see a chance at least even though small. Against an SM there is no way I get to kill him ever.

Just another one of these "opponent might as well have a 3k instant nuke" situations.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 6:24 PM by teiloh

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:49 PM
I like how you leave out all the benefits of Cabalist pets to strengthen your ridiculous argument.

You mean like the Cab pet stun having a higher range ... even though range proccing hasn't worked on this server except for a few hours 2 or 3 days a go, and it's not working anymore?

Thu 4 Jul 2019 10:01 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Or the Amber pet interrupting from 1,000 units at a rate which disables everything but quickcast while dealing decent damage.

Fri 5 Jul 2019 1:52 AM by teiloh

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 10:01 PM
Or the Amber pet interrupting from 1,000 units at a rate which disables everything but quickcast while dealing decent damage.

Lol. 500 units, but on live it was 700+.

And 60-80 is not decent damage

Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:02 PM by Lillebror

Dont be shy that is what a stealther will hit a caster with medium high physical defense

Fri 5 Jul 2019 5:41 PM by Sleepwell

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:15 PM
vxr wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 5:01 PM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:44 PM
Bombzz i have tried you only once and i fucked up my pa so that was on me.
and it was a random rr3 or rr4 SM, i jumped plenty SM's on Minstrel With no problem due to CC on pet. With a cc'd pet SM behave like a normal cloth caster. If no cc on pet, im 95% sure its easier to take Down any tank. Its total bs, and even BD is fair game if you compare. Mid is a tank realm and 2/3 of there cloth casters is worse to take Down in melee than most classes in game.

Hey there. Ya, a good Minstrel is definitely the hardest 1v1 for me. Who's your Minstrel? In your opinion, SM harder to take down in melee 1v1 than BD?

BD is possible with luck on crits and the PA+CD stun+ disease stick . SM so far is 50-90% intersept. So my exp lead me to jump a BD before SM, if we are a duo its not even close, it will be the BD.

Havent played my SM in a very very long time.. deciding whether to temp him or not. If the SM pets are intercepting 50-90% of the time ( i feel like this is a stretch, but i'd love to see the test results), then i will definitely be temping mine. 50-90 intercepts out of 100 attacks... right on!

Sat 6 Jul 2019 2:05 AM by teiloh

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:02 PM
Dont be shy that is what a stealther will hit a caster with medium high physical defense

Lol no. And they swing every 3s plus not 1.5

Sat 6 Jul 2019 9:00 AM by Lillebror

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Jul 2019 2:05 AM
Lillebror wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Jul 2019 2:02 PM
Dont be shy that is what a stealther will hit a caster with medium high physical defense

Lol no. And they swing every 3s plus not 1.5

I might be wrong but i think many are not hitting at cap speed after charge nerf.