Necromancer issues, Pet mechanic

Hello

I don´t know if it is really a bug because i think this is the normal Pet mechanic, but it is a disatvantage for Necromancer and let them die faster then they want

1st Crit mechanic. Normal PvP Crit is maximum 50% the the Necro Pet it is 100%

2nd Resi Debuff. For players you can maximum debuff to -5% (Relating https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=7084) but there is no cap for the Necro Pet, a debuffed Pet dies very very fast.

Combined both with a little bad luck and the Pet is killed with 2 nukes. (buffed, temped)

Also would the Pet demezz spell from the 1.69 Patch very helpfull in the actual environment (NF RA + NF), espacially the Pet is very vulnerable for CC (Level 44, very low chance for resist, very long duration). Aditionally the Necro is mainly played solo at RvR, there is nobody who can demezz the Pet. You sit there sometimes a Minute and longer and waiting there like a sitting duck.

Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:52 AM by inoeth

if the pet would be killable in melee, i would support you here but while the pet is nearly not killable by solo melees i do not

Fri 28 Jun 2019 10:31 AM by florin

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:52 AM
if the pet would be killable in melee, i would support you here but while the pet is nearly not killable by solo melees i do not

A good sb can kill most low rank necros - higher rr you gotta get better or hope they don’t have purge

Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:01 AM by inoeth

florin wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 10:31 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:52 AM
if the pet would be killable in melee, i would support you here but while the pet is nearly not killable by solo melees i do not

A good sb can kill most low rank necros - higher rr you gotta get better or hope they don’t have purge

yeah assassins with debuffs cool, but all other melees are fked

Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:57 AM by florin

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:01 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 10:31 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:52 AM
if the pet would be killable in melee, i would support you here but while the pet is nearly not killable by solo melees i do not

A good sb can kill most low rank necros - higher rr you gotta get better or hope they don’t have purge

yeah assassins with debuffs cool, but all other melees are fked

Champ too

Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:15 PM by inoeth

florin wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:57 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:01 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 10:31 AM
A good sb can kill most low rank necros - higher rr you gotta get better or hope they don’t have purge

yeah assassins with debuffs cool, but all other melees are fked

Champ too

i dont know... are champs able to kill necros?

Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:21 PM by Vkejai

Most champs I've seen have a bard in tow so I guess we will never know in 1 v 1

Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:34 PM by florin

Vkejai wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:21 PM
Most champs I've seen have a bard in tow so I guess we will never know in 1 v 1

oh i know - ive been slammed, debuffed and static tempested pretty effectively by the 1 solo champ I've seen.

Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:44 PM by Choa

There is no question that the Necromancer is a very strong 1vs1 class versus melees because he is very durable against melee dmg but he has on the other side many drawbacks.
He has no speed
No good CC (castable snare)
Lowest DPS as caster
Lowest cast speed of any caster (Healer/Bard can mezz you before your cast is finished)
Very vulnerable against magic effects/dmg
Heavy effected by CC
Difficult LoS in Keepfights because Shade + Pet need to have LoS to the Enemy

And there are better visible solo Classes with much better Group support (Minst, Sorc, BD, Skald, Ench), and yes a Skald or Minstrel has no chance to win against a good Necro but they CC the Pet and run away. And cause the low DPS normaly melees also can run away while the necro is nuking (Perhaps they need to use Pot, Heart, IP).

So i don´t understand why the Necro need also this problems

Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:45 PM by Choa

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:15 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:57 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:01 AM
yeah assassins with debuffs cool, but all other melees are fked

Champ too

i dont know... are champs able to kill necros?

Sure Slam + Static + Slam combined with Debuffs and 2 Hand dmg hurts

Fri 28 Jun 2019 2:56 PM by Azrael

rofl, so you basically want that a necro can beat everything except those classes which can run away. nice

Fri 28 Jun 2019 7:15 PM by teiloh

Pet doesn't seem to be benefiting from racial stat bonuses.

Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:27 PM by Ceen

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 7:15 PM
Pet doesn't seem to be benefiting from racial stat bonuses.

Pet has its own stats 60 for all stats and doesn't use the shade once, supporting the slow casting speed even more =)

Fri 28 Jun 2019 10:17 PM by Choa

Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 2:56 PM
rofl, so you basically want that a necro can beat everything except those classes which can run away. nice

Not really

(Ok would be great to get same power like a BD

)
I only tried to show the the necromancer is not the all killing machine and also has many weaknesses.
And not that all of this weaknesses get changed, this is the mechanic of the necromancer.

But i asked if it is working like planed that the necro get 100% crits and get debuffed to -36% (from cap Resists) or if this is a bug.

And about my question about the Pet demezz will not really affect the 1vs1 strength. I don´t ask the complete CC immune Pets that the necros got on the live server. (That would be nice, but also extremly overpowerd

)

Sun 30 Jun 2019 12:02 AM by easytoremember

CC is one of the counters to FP so implementing the CC immune pet would be a bad idea unless they tweak the stats of each pet type to differ (so the zombie would be feeble and slower casting)

As it is now wll the pets are identical except:
minor zombie servant caps at lv3
abomination has a dd proc
greater necroservant for whatever reason always does 1 extra melee damage on its swings

Sun 30 Jun 2019 12:49 AM by florin

Not arguing for a mezz immune pet like live had but the blue pet is super susceptible to 100% long duration mez as a mob but doesn’t have the benefit of being mez immune under 90% health like a mob.

Sun 30 Jun 2019 2:16 AM by Ceen

florin wrote: ↑
Sun 30 Jun 2019 12:49 AM
Not arguing for a mezz immune pet like live had but the blue pet is super susceptible to 100% long duration mez as a mob but doesn’t have the benefit of being mez immune under 90% health like a mob.

Necro have same mezz duration as any other non det class.

Sun 30 Jun 2019 3:03 AM by easytoremember

Ceen wrote: ↑
Sun 30 Jun 2019 2:16 AM
Necro have same mezz duration as any other non det class.

If you mez the necromancer himself sure; CC on sub-50 pets lasts longer than it does against players

Then again it might be the lack of resists on regular pets causing it

Sun 30 Jun 2019 7:44 AM by Choa

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Sun 30 Jun 2019 12:02 AM
CC is one of the counters to FP so implementing the CC immune pet would be a bad idea unless they tweak the stats of each pet type to differ (so the zombie would be feeble and slower casting)

As it is now wll the pets are identical except:
minor zombie servant caps at lv3
abomination has a dd proc
greater necroservant for whatever reason always does 1 extra melee damage on its swings

I think nobody wants CC immune Pets because this would be a too big advatage (it would be fun, but only for necromancers

).

I only speak about the problem with the 100% crits, -36% debuffs (you can two hit a buffed and temped nec with a little luck!) and the problem of long duration CC (Mezz, root) because it last longer and has a lower resits chance compared to normal lvl 50 Player.
Because this would be the Pet Demezz (with a casttime like 5 sec) from 1.69 very helpfull but would not give the necromancer a too big advatage.

Sun 30 Jun 2019 9:56 AM by Anelyn77

I won't mind Necro getting a pet demezz, as long as it has a long cast time, like 6-8s or something (so it's not like a mini purge), but yeah while being very good vs melee, they always suffered from various mechanics that never got adjusted even on live.

If they will make a new pass on fixing necros I'll support your demezz sugestion.

/Bnotashamed + Aicha

Sun 30 Jun 2019 4:47 PM by teiloh

Back at this patch level Necros could 100% crit just like they could be 100% crit, and their DoTs interrupted every tick, etc.

Right now they're being treated like a mob when there are penalties involved but as a player for most things that could benefit them.

IMO, they should be 100% con and get starting/racial stats at least if we're going to treat Necro pets like players.

Sun 30 Jun 2019 6:01 PM by Crash Tan

Yeah I remember being crit by a warrior: you were hit for 370 and crit for extra 361 and thinking 'wtf'

Mon 1 Jul 2019 1:56 AM by relvinian

There is a lot of ignorance in this thread about necros.

The necro is just fine here. They don't need demez.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:30 AM by Choa

relvinian wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 1:56 AM
There is a lot of ignorance in this thread about necros.

The necro is just fine here. They don't need demez.

Ok at least i got my answer from the big RR10 Nec god who has deleted to his char to play at the green side

The crits and debuffs are not Bugs, they are features.

Thank you

Tue 2 Jul 2019 1:09 PM by Dakkhon

Yes the necro does need demez!

Tue 2 Jul 2019 1:42 PM by pax

He was probably being sarcastic or wasn't going to delete his toon.

Tue 2 Jul 2019 10:39 PM by florin

There’s no need for demez when you spend rr1-10
Blasting pbaoe dot through walls, maelstrom without los, and ichor and VP every 10 minutes then hide at APK is there Rev? Who is ignorant now?

Wed 3 Jul 2019 2:21 AM by relvinian

When ur pet is mez u can cast ichor, maelstrom volc pillar and use dd off a staff.

Why would you need demez?

Wed 3 Jul 2019 2:29 AM by relvinian

florin wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 10:39 PM
There’s no need for demez when you spend rr1-10
Blasting pbaoe dot through walls, maelstrom without los, and ichor and VP every 10 minutes then hide at APK is there Rev? Who is ignorant now?

I soloed a lot and ran out and got zerged down a lot. I had a LOT of /played time in that toon.

What is it to you how I play, what I play, or whatever?

We all play by the same rules.

Ever die to an assassin on a caster? Ever die to bd pets? Ever die to shrooms hidden somewhere?

Free hugs.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 3:52 AM by easytoremember

relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 2:21 AM
When ur pet is mez u can cast ichor, maelstrom volc pillar

Huh suddenly vp looks worthwhile
I assume it works inside stun too?

Wed 3 Jul 2019 11:33 AM by florin

relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 2:29 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 10:39 PM
There’s no need for demez when you spend rr1-10
Blasting pbaoe dot through walls, maelstrom without los, and ichor and VP every 10 minutes then hide at APK is there Rev? Who is ignorant now?

I soloed a lot and ran out and got zerged down a lot. I had a LOT of /played time in that toon.

What is it to you how I play, what I play, or whatever?

We all play by the same rules.

Ever die to an assassin on a caster? Ever die to bd pets? Ever die to shrooms hidden somewhere?

Free hugs.

It’s very important to me when someone cheeses and at this point considered exploits their way to high rank and then turns around and says his class is fine. The class may be fine but you have zero credibility.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:37 PM by relvinian

florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 11:33 AM
relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 2:29 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jul 2019 10:39 PM
There’s no need for demez when you spend rr1-10
Blasting pbaoe dot through walls, maelstrom without los, and ichor and VP every 10 minutes then hide at APK is there Rev? Who is ignorant now?

I soloed a lot and ran out and got zerged down a lot. I had a LOT of /played time in that toon.

What is it to you how I play, what I play, or whatever?

We all play by the same rules.

Ever die to an assassin on a caster? Ever die to bd pets? Ever die to shrooms hidden somewhere?

Free hugs.

It’s very important to me when someone cheeses and at this point considered exploits their way to high rank and then turns around and says his class is fine. The class may be fine but you have zero credibility.

I have zero credibility? I reported every bug since beta on necro even if it hurt the class.

Your personal attacks do not effect me or my contribution to this server.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 3:31 PM by florin

relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:37 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 11:33 AM
relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 2:29 AM
I soloed a lot and ran out and got zerged down a lot. I had a LOT of /played time in that toon.

What is it to you how I play, what I play, or whatever?

We all play by the same rules.

Ever die to an assassin on a caster? Ever die to bd pets? Ever die to shrooms hidden somewhere?

Free hugs.

It’s very important to me when someone cheeses and at this point considered exploits their way to high rank and then turns around and says his class is fine. The class may be fine but you have zero credibility.

I have zero credibility? I reported every bug since beta on necro even if it hurt the class.

Your personal attacks do not effect me or my contribution to this server.

Replace “reported” with “exploited” and we will agree

Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:23 PM by Pops999

florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 3:31 PM
relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:37 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 11:33 AM
It’s very important to me when someone cheeses and at this point considered exploits their way to high rank and then turns around and says his class is fine. The class may be fine but you have zero credibility.

I have zero credibility? I reported every bug since beta on necro even if it hurt the class.

Your personal attacks do not effect me or my contribution to this server.

Replace “reported” with “exploited” and we will agree

Replace all your opinions with facts, we have nothing.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 7:43 PM by florin

Pops999 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:23 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 3:31 PM
relvinian wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:37 PM
I have zero credibility? I reported every bug since beta on necro even if it hurt the class.

Your personal attacks do not effect me or my contribution to this server.

Replace “reported” with “exploited” and we will agree

Replace all your opinions with facts, we have nothing.

Empty words from an empty brain- I’ve grouped with him and seen it first hand. Run along now.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 8:58 PM by relvinian

Normally i have to pay extra to get talked to like this.

^^

Wed 3 Jul 2019 10:54 PM by Pops999

florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 7:43 PM
Pops999 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:23 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 3:31 PM
Replace “reported” with “exploited” and we will agree

Replace all your opinions with facts, we have nothing.

Empty words from an empty brain- I’ve grouped with him and seen it first hand. Run along now.

I saw you hugging APK plenty. Simple things for simple minds.

Wed 3 Jul 2019 11:13 PM by florin

Pops999 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 10:54 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 7:43 PM
Pops999 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 4:23 PM
Replace all your opinions with facts, we have nothing.

Empty words from an empty brain- I’ve grouped with him and seen it first hand. Run along now.

I saw you hugging APK plenty. Simple things for simple minds.

Ya I caught you on that same hill a few times - I go where the action is

Thu 4 Jul 2019 12:40 AM by easytoremember

Pops999 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 10:54 PM
I saw you hugging APK plenty.

Is that an exploit now?

Thu 4 Jul 2019 12:53 AM by florin

easytoremember wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jul 2019 12:40 AM
Pops999 wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jul 2019 10:54 PM
I saw you hugging APK plenty.
Is that an exploit now?

Right?
Like hello I need speed too - not only rangers that run away

Thu 4 Jul 2019 6:22 AM by inoeth

relvinian must have done something right that florin is so salty now ;D plz go on i alrdy have popcorn by my side.