Only a poll asking how many will quit with OF vs. NF will do anything to help predict post-change population levels.

And it would have to be weighted to actively /played in RvR to truly give us a grasp of what the real impact will be.

Regardless the impacts will be made known in time. My personal guess is that there will be a sudden 5-10% drop in population with a steady bleed, unless there are brilliant fixes to NF map design.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:50 PM by Kaseylol

Those that would quit if NF was implemented voted OF.

Those that would have quit if OF stayed voted NF.

Your suggestion will give you more data but not a different result. Your claim is that many players who voted NF prefer it but wouldn't quit otherwise, but those that voted OF prefer it AND will quit. In your mind, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the populations preference is somehow conducive to long-term server population. This conclusion is supported by zero evidence and, frankly, doesn't make any sense.

Stop trying to play games to min max the server population today and focus on making a server that as many people as possible enjoy - that's how you promote longterm server population.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:52 PM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:50 PM
Those that would quit if NF was implemented voted OF.

Those that would have quit if OF stayed voted NF.

Total population "would quit" is a fraction of those who slightly prefer one or the other. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:54 PM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:52 PM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:50 PM
Those that would quit if NF was implemented voted OF.

Those that would have quit if OF stayed voted NF.

Total population "would quit" is a fraction of those who slightly prefer one or the other. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I understand it. In fact, I articulated your own argument back to you just after that quote. Interesting that you decided to remove it from the quote and not respond to it at all.

If you feel I don't understand your argument address my breakdown of it as such.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:58 PM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:54 PM
Your claim is that many players who voted NF prefer it but wouldn't quit otherwise, but those that voted OF prefer it AND will quit.

This is what you said.

You're dead wrong. Like I said, it's truly mindboggling that you don't understand a very simple concept.

For example, 60% vote option B, and 5% are option B or bust. Remaining 40% prefer option C, but half of those are C or bust:

GO WITH C - you lose [B or Bust] 5% of the population
GO WITH B - you lose [C or Bust] 20% of the population.

General population slightly prefers B, but not so much to outweigh those that absolutely hate B.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:59 PM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:58 PM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:54 PM
Your claim is that many players who voted NF prefer it but wouldn't quit otherwise, but those that voted OF prefer it AND will quit.

This is what you said.

You're dead wrong. Like I said, it's truly mindboggling that you don't understand a very simple concept.

For example, 60% vote option B, and 5% are option B or bust. Remaining 40% prefer option C, half of those are C or bust:

GO WITH C- you lose 5% of the population
GO WITH B - you lose 20% of the population.

That's... Exactly what I said.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:00 PM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:59 PM
That's... Exactly what I said.

No, it's not. I said a varying portion on either side are absolutists and only a better poll will determine this. NOT that all who voted OF will quit. Otherwise, we can just wait and see what happens after the changes have already gone in.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:01 PM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:00 PM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:59 PM
That's... Exactly what I said.

No, it's not. I said a varying portion on either side are absolutists and only a better poll will determine this. NOT that all who voted OF will quit. Otherwise, we can just wait and see what happens after the changes have already gone in.

Okay, so your claim, based on zero evidence, and against the preference of the large majority of the server, is that it's a better idea to keep OF.

My point stands and you've yet to address what I've said.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:03 PM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:01 PM
Okay, so your claim, based on zero evidence, and against the preference of the large majority of the server, is that it's a better idea to keep OF.

My point stands and you've yet to address what I've said.

THIS is the claim:
Only a poll asking how many will quit with OF vs. NF will do anything to help predict post-change population levels.

It's in big letters in the top, repeated a few inches below on the monitor, and I'm writing it again a third time because apparently you need to be told the same thing 10 times.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:04 PM by Kaseylol

I've adjusted it for you based on your feedback. Let me know when you're ready to address anything I've said!

Those that would quit if NF was implemented voted OF.

Those that would have quit if OF stayed voted NF.

Your suggestion will give you more data but not a different result. Your claim is that many players who voted NF prefer it but wouldn't quit otherwise, but more of those that voted OF prefer it AND will quit. In your mind, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the populations preference is somehow conducive to long-term server population. This conclusion is supported by zero evidence and, frankly, doesn't make any sense.

Stop trying to play games to min max the server population today and focus on making a server that as many people as possible enjoy - that's how you promote longterm server population

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:08 PM by cere2

Wow the what if's of this thread.
What if, people voted they would quit if NF was voted on. As I'm sure you would have voted.
How many of those people would have lied?
What if we reversed that?
How many would quit if we stayed with OF, how many of those would have lied?

How many variations of a vote could we possibly do? 5,10,50?

Everyone knows that not everyone will be happy about a change.
This is the same argument about the buff changes.
Do you have numbers on how many quit because of that change?
Do you have numbers on how many threatened to quit and didn't?

Unless you have something like this....the whole premise to your thread is baseless.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:08 PM by teiloh

ignoring the overwhelming majority of the populations preference is somehow conducive to long-term server population.

I guess your idea of good population management/retention is pissing off a sizable amount of your population to very slightly please the larger set, minimally changing their behavior.

So you can't find flaws with the proposal/setup for a new poll - feel free to tab back in game and hit the keep door.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:09 PM by teiloh

cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:08 PM
How many of those people would have lied?
How many would quit if we stayed with OF, how many of those would have lied?

Establish a psychological basis for why one side, statistically, would be more likely to lie than the other. Otherwise you could allow players a weighted preference of 1-10.

Lots of ways to design opinion polls to minimize bad answers.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:14 PM by cere2

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:09 PM
cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:08 PM
How many of those people would have lied?
How many would quit if we stayed with OF, how many of those would have lied?

Establish a psychological basis for why one side, statistically, would be more likely to lie than the other. Otherwise you could allow players a weighted preference of 1-10.

Lots of ways to design opinion polls to minimize bad answers.

You should have worked on Hilary's campaign.
Perhaps more people wouldn't have voted for Trump if they knew people would leave the country if he was voted in.
Where are all those people that claimed that now?
Oh yea, they still here....

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:16 PM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:08 PM
ignoring the overwhelming majority of the populations preference is somehow conducive to long-term server population.

I guess your idea of good population management/retention is pissing off a sizable amount of your population to very slightly please the larger set, minimally changing their behavior.

So you can't find flaws with the proposal/setup for a new poll - feel free to tab back in game and hit the keep door.

I guess your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Good start, but you'll need more to convince anyone.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:29 PM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:16 PM
I guess your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Good start, but you'll need more to convince anyone.

No, my idea of good population management is asking the population how they will react instead of "lets find out"

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:30 PM by teiloh

cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:14 PM
You should have worked on Hilary's campaign.
Perhaps more people wouldn't have voted for Trump if they knew people would leave the country if he was voted in.
Where are all those people that claimed that now?
Oh yea, they still here....

Very, very stupid analogy. You get points for that.

Unlike games, it takes a lot of effort to switch countries.

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:40 PM by Loki

Where's the poll, then ?

Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:56 PM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:29 PM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:16 PM
I guess your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Good start, but you'll need more to convince anyone.

No, my idea of good population management is asking the population how they will react instead of "lets find out"

No, your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:03 AM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:56 PM
, your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Read the title of the post.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:04 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:03 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:56 PM
, your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Read the title of the post.

I regret to admit that I have already read it. What's next?

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:08 AM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:04 AM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:03 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 11:56 PM
, your idea of good population management /retention is ignoring majority votes in favor of unjustified theories about short -term population effects that are directly proven wrong by historical population stats while on OF.

Read the title of the post.

I regret to admit that I have already read it. What's next?

You're a moron.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:10 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:08 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:04 AM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:03 AM
Read the title of the post.

I regret to admit that I have already read it. What's next?

You're a moron.

Maybe tweet about how you don't like the results of the poll so they must be fake news. That, while not very different, will likely be more effective than whatever it is you think you're doing here.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:11 AM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:10 AM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:08 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:04 AM
I regret to admit that I have already read it. What's next?

You're a moron.

Maybe tweet about how you don't like the results of the poll so they must be fake news. That, while not very different, will likely be more effective than whatever it is you think you're doing here.

You're a moron and trying to convince a brick wall would be more productive. Let everyone else decide based on reading my repeated explanations to you.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:14 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:11 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:10 AM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:08 AM
You're a moron.

Maybe tweet about how you don't like the results of the poll so they must be fake news. That, while not very different, will likely be more effective than whatever it is you think you're doing here.

You're a moron and trying to convince a brick wall would be more productive. Let everyone else decide based on reading my repeated explanations to you.

You didn't think I was trying to convince you, did you?

Everything I've posted is to help other readers understand why your arguments are flawed, unsupported, and in direct contradiction to the goal you claim to seek.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:17 AM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:14 AM
You didn't think I was trying to convince you, did you?

Everything I've posted is to help other readers understand why your arguments are flawed, unsupported, and in direct contradiction to the goal you claim to seek.

Frankly, only a person as idiotic as yourself would be convinced by your non-arguments. It's clear you're too stupid to understand some very simple concepts.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:19 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:17 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:14 AM
You didn't think I was trying to convince you, did you?

Everything I've posted is to help other readers understand why your arguments are flawed, unsupported, and in direct contradiction to the goal you claim to seek.

Frankly, only a person as idiotic as yourself would be convinced by your non-arguments. It's clear you're too stupid to understand some very simple concepts.

Oh gosh, I'm so sorry! Can you please dumb down your argument for me so I understand? Maybe quote me line by line and explain how I'm wrong?

I really need help here keeping up! Please use small words.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:20 AM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:19 AM
Oh gosh, I'm so sorry! Can you please dumb down your argument for me so I understand? Maybe quote me line by like and explain how I'm wrong?

I really need help here keeping up! Please use small words.

Nope, I think your level of intelligence makes anything beyond clicking the "fire" button a bit too complex for you.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:22 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:20 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:19 AM
Oh gosh, I'm so sorry! Can you please dumb down your argument for me so I understand? Maybe quote me line by like and explain how I'm wrong?

I really need help here keeping up! Please use small words.

Nope, I think your level of intelligence makes anything beyond clicking the "fire" button a bit too complex for you.

Ah okay, so you don't actually have an argument.
Understood! I'll reply when you come up with an argument, otherwise my prior points stand. Good luck.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:23 AM by teiloh

Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:22 AM
Ah okay, so you don't actually have an argument.
Understood! I'll reply when you come up with an argument, otherwise my prior points stand. Good luck.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/kaseylol

jfc no wonder you have so much time to be dumb on the forums

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:26 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:23 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:22 AM
Ah okay, so you don't actually have an argument.
Understood! I'll reply when you come up with an argument, otherwise my prior points stand. Good luck.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/kaseylol

jfc no wonder you have so much time to be dumb on the forums

Oh man you found my inactive farm bot, how embarrassing. That definitely supports your argument here!

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:27 AM by teiloh

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:23 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:22 AM
Ah okay, so you don't actually have an argument.
Understood! I'll reply when you come up with an argument, otherwise my prior points stand. Good luck.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/kaseylol

jfc no wonder you have so much time to be dumb on the forums

AHAHAHA it has the same rp/week as your entire guild, unless you're Req

Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:30 AM by Kaseylol

teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:27 AM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:23 AM
Kaseylol wrote: ↑
Sat 22 Jun 2019 12:22 AM
Ah okay, so you don't actually have an argument.
Understood! I'll reply when you come up with an argument, otherwise my prior points stand. Good luck.

https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/kaseylol

jfc no wonder you have so much time to be dumb on the forums

AHAHAHA it has the same rp/week as your entire guild, unless you're Req

And? I'm on hib but even if that were my main character, and played in rvr daily, it does nothing to help your argument.

Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:13 AM by gotwqqd

Gotta buy some crackers...
So much cheese and whine

Sun 23 Jun 2019 6:16 AM by Leandrys

Useless thread, the server is constantly bleeding players and most of them never write on forum. And so many people do not care that much about which FZ is currently on, I hate OF and find it to be one damn useless crappy map with huge flaws ruining RvR's essence itself, but still, there I am, since months now. It's just a map, idgaf.

Don't push that useless whiny drama too far, it's just one map, they working on tweaking it, nobody really cares that much, if you can't bear playing on NF, you have other problems with Daoc than the FZ map itself.

Sun 23 Jun 2019 8:25 AM by Enyore

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 21 Jun 2019 10:28 PM
And it would have to be weighted to actively /played in RvR to truly give us a grasp of what the real impact will be.

Regardless the impacts will be made known in time. My personal guess is that there will be a sudden 5-10% drop in population with a steady bleed, unless there are brilliant fixes to NF map design.

Yes, and they will be back 3 weeks later, relax dude.

It's like asking junkies if they will quit lighting up if you change the product they are fed... They will say yes and addiction will then bring them right back.

Don't be so melodramatic, it will be great - just some new dope.

Sun 23 Jun 2019 5:55 PM by Lordzolio

OMG... Why did we come to Phoenix ??

https://www.reddit.com/r/CamelotUnchained/comments/a6d8zx/phoenix_daoc_dark_age_of_camelot_freeshard/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztPIrS5UZc

This is why i came to play OLD SCHOOL DAOC if i wanted to play NF I would have stayed on live......

Populations is already down, and bet your ass even more when NF goes Live...

This is why people came to phoenix in the first place OLD SCHOOL DAOC OLD FRONTIERS.. No ToA .. etc...

Honestly, how many people would have left live and Uthgard to come phoenix if it was NF from day one ??

Half ? more ? less ?

Sun 23 Jun 2019 5:57 PM by teiloh

Leandrys wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Jun 2019 6:16 AM
Don't push that useless whiny drama too far, it's just one map, they working on tweaking it, nobody really cares that much, if you can't bear playing on NF, you have other problems with Daoc than the FZ map itself.

Yeah, I have problems with there being years between fights or tower humping "RvR"

Sun 23 Jun 2019 6:10 PM by cuuchulain79

Lordzolio wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Jun 2019 5:55 PM
OMG... Why did we come to Phoenix ??

https://www.reddit.com/r/CamelotUnchained/comments/a6d8zx/phoenix_daoc_dark_age_of_camelot_freeshard/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztPIrS5UZc

This is why i came to play OLD SCHOOL DAOC if i wanted to play NF I would have stayed on live......

Populations is already down, and bet your ass even more when NF goes Live...

This is why people came to phoenix in the first place OLD SCHOOL DAOC OLD FRONTIERS.. No ToA .. etc...

Honestly, how many people would have left live and Uthgard to come phoenix if it was NF from day one ??

Half ? more ? less ?

Hehe...I thought it was Classic w/ QoL too (I was wrong!) I think it's going to be a summer of waiting to see if Uth can get the last of its promised changes out, or if Phoenix calms down and picks-a-lane-and-drives.

Sun 23 Jun 2019 11:43 PM by Leandrys

Lordzolio wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Jun 2019 5:55 PM
OMG... Why did we come to Phoenix ??

...

Populations is already down, and bet your ass even more when NF goes Live...

More useless drama. It's a map, map doesn't change experience that much, it just makes RvR more tactical, RVErs will have hard times to find empty keeps, that's all.

And, something everybody tends to forget, specially conservative OF inconditionnal fans for now valid reason, the Phoenix team did hesitate for a long time between OF and NF, the original vote was almost 50/50 % and they decided without any certitude.

Turns out OF was pure crap, it made real RvR almost clueless with crappy keeps, relics without any interest, visible solo'ing quickly turning into nightmare (hello MGs, nice concept you got there !), 60%+ of the population left in months because it was either zerg'ing for low gains, elitist 8vs8 groups almost nobody can enter now and smallmen quickly zerg'ed/added in every directions.

OF killed the server, repeat after me, OF was such a good map it made the server losE 60%+ of its population in 6 months, GOD DAMN OF IS SO FREAKING GOOD AND BRILLANTLY DESIGNED, AND IT IS SO GOOD THAN EVEN WITH LOW POPULATION, A HUGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LEFT ON THE SERVER WANTS NF.

NF shoulda've been here since day one, it would be much more tweaked than what it is now and the whole Phoenix experience woulda've been enhanced a lot, the team could have been focusing much more on events and other features, but no, a few melancolic players /yelled all of their guildmates to register one account in 2018 and over-bias the original vote, and there we are.

NICE JOB OF, YOU'VE DONE SO WELL, GOOD MAP.

Or wait, you gonna tell us it was the buff pot's update who pushed that many people out of the server ? Or the Reflex Attack nerf ?

Nah, it was OF, the best ever made map, because RvR was gimped from the beginning and a lot of people just found themselves without anything to do on that crap.

So now, so many people had to drink their daily bowl of shit since 6 months, be a grown boy and realize NF is just a place where everybody has more space but with less possibilities for RvDoors to farm RP without danger, the rest is just useless drama.

Sun 23 Jun 2019 11:52 PM by cere2

This is hilarious.

Teiloh calling people out about their characters yet doesn't have the balls to say who he/she plays.

NF is in. Deal with it, either bail and head to Uthgard or adjust to the changes.

Mon 24 Jun 2019 3:59 AM by teiloh

cere2 wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Jun 2019 11:52 PM
This is hilarious.

Teiloh calling people out about their characters yet doesn't have the balls to say who he/she plays.

NF is in. Deal with it, either bail and head to Uthgard or adjust to the changes.

Nah lots of people will quit, I'll stay if there's actually something to do other than watch you click one button at a door

Mon 24 Jun 2019 5:11 AM by Druth

All that poll will show is how much of drama queens DaoC players are.
I myself am a solid 8.

Mon 24 Jun 2019 7:56 AM by Kadorna

Lordzolio wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Jun 2019 5:55 PM
OMG... Why did we come to Phoenix ??

https://www.reddit.com/r/CamelotUnchained/comments/a6d8zx/phoenix_daoc_dark_age_of_camelot_freeshard/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztPIrS5UZc

This is why i came to play OLD SCHOOL DAOC if i wanted to play NF I would have stayed on live......

Populations is already down, and bet your ass even more when NF goes Live...

This is why people came to phoenix in the first place OLD SCHOOL DAOC OLD FRONTIERS.. No ToA .. etc...

Honestly, how many people would have left live and Uthgard to come phoenix if it was NF from day one ??

Half ? more ? less ?

This!! totally this!!

Mon 24 Jun 2019 11:06 AM by Leandrys

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 24 Jun 2019 3:59 AM
Nah lots of people will quit, I'll stay if there's actually something to do other than watch you click one button at a door

Lmao, OF fangirls sound very emotionnal when reading you.

"THERE IS NO WAY I CAN PLAY DAOC ON A BETTER MAP THAN OF, I JUST CAN'T, SORRY, THERE ARN'T EVEN MGs, NOT EVEN MGs, DO YOU REALIZE, NO GOD DAMN' FREAKING MGs"

Is that it ? Or is it about useless keeps, clueless RvR, Emain concentrating 80% of action ? All of these making NF UNPLAYABLE, because they're not here ?

You're godamn right, people will leave the server if we go for N...

Oh wait, people allready are leaving the server and a vast majority voted for NF after one week test, could it be that OF... I mean... OF...

...

Suck ?

Mon 24 Jun 2019 5:20 PM by teiloh

Leandrys wrote: ↑
Mon 24 Jun 2019 11:06 AM
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

okay

Mon 24 Jun 2019 6:03 PM by Roto23

Does only playing in Thid when NF comes out count as quitting?

Tue 25 Jun 2019 4:51 AM by Leandrys

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 24 Jun 2019 5:20 PM
Leandrys wrote: ↑
Mon 24 Jun 2019 11:06 AM
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

okay

Gave you a +1 for that response, must be my catholic charity sense rising up to the surface, long forgotten, I'm in your debt.

Tue 25 Jun 2019 1:40 PM by Luluko

Nf seems like a good change, OF was kinda annoying if you wanted to avoid the emain zerg.

Now I am just waiting until they finally patch speed of the hunt in so that I can also play some other classes as skald solo or always have to rely on finding one when I maybe just want to solo on a none stealth/speed class.

Also for the people saying why people come to a classic server like this. Its not because of NF or OF its because of no toa abilities or mls and more population than live. If molvik was still active with 30-50 people each realm on live I prolly would still play there, well at least if some of those wouldnt just hump towers and the ck.

Tue 25 Jun 2019 1:56 PM by Turano

Luluko wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Jun 2019 1:40 PM
Also for the people saying why people come to a classic server like this. Its not because of NF or OF its because of no toa abilities or mls..

That's a blunt generalization. Personaly I liked toa. Artefacts and ml abilities were fun and there were many things to do for pve'ers.
After they toned down the toa boni from 25% to 10% and adjusted some of the over the top ml/artefact abilities the balancing was good

Tue 25 Jun 2019 2:54 PM by cere2

So whats the count up to so far as to how many are leaving?
You know, the point of this thread?

Tue 25 Jun 2019 2:55 PM by Sepplord

i personally saw multiple hundreds in a long line at the border waiting to get out...but they ofcourse don't post on the forum that they are gone

Tue 25 Jun 2019 2:57 PM by vxr

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Jun 2019 2:55 PM
i personally saw multiple hundreds in a long line at the border waiting to get out...but they ofcourse don't post on the forum that they are gone

Can we wall them in?

Tue 25 Jun 2019 10:12 PM by Luluko

Turano wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Jun 2019 1:56 PM
Luluko wrote: ↑
Tue 25 Jun 2019 1:40 PM
Also for the people saying why people come to a classic server like this. Its not because of NF or OF its because of no toa abilities or mls..
That's a blunt generalization. Personaly I liked toa. Artefacts and ml abilities were fun and there were many things to do for pve'ers.
After they toned down the toa boni from 25% to 10% and adjusted some of the over the top ml/artefact abilities the balancing was good

artifacts started the trend to have must have items they were pretty much class balance breaking stuff like shades of the mist, malice/battler. There was nothing better and I certainly never enjoyed it getting nuked by casters for 400-600 with 10% castspeed and 350-380dex. You are just toast if you dont see them first, it turned some of the game aspects into something you usually find in first person shooters where you almost die instant when you come arround a corner. I dont see much enjoyment there. But sure melee/stealth vs melee/stealth fights were a little more fun I guess. At least if your som procced and the som from the other not... I always prefered the balance on live we had in molvik nothing too op from the uses. Quite a shame the action sucked there and if there was something it were mostly campers 3-4 years ago. Thats all subjective ofc. Not everyone thinks like that.