Happy - Phoenix Freeshard

the week is ending ... bye bye NF... never see you again

Sat 15 Jun 2019 9:32 AM by Eidorf

If the official vote goes anything like the straw poll already done, you will be seeing NF again very soon.

Sat 15 Jun 2019 4:09 PM by Anelyn77

That's because a large majority of players enjoyed NF keeps sieges vs OF keeps sieges (where only the attackers could do stuff, and those inside defending were just starring at the door till was down, because you have no freaking LoS on anyone outside the keep from the battlements says target not visible yey!).

And devs said clearly they can't make OF keeps like NF keeps. So there's that on top of whatever peeps actually feel about NF as a RvR map.

Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:38 PM by Mavella

Because people would rather pvdoor for free rps than actually fight other. Get rid of the free rps for actively avoiding a fight and the habits will change. There's been videos of smallmans holding OF lord rooms on this server vs larger numbers but people are too lazy or don't want to coordinate to actually do it.

Also keeps are hardly flipping in NF is 90% towers going back and forth.

Again, people would defend OF keeps if relics were worth a damn otherwise it's generally not worth the hassle and the attackers still get rewarded with welfare rps.

Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:43 PM by florin

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:38 PM
Because people would rather pvdoor for free rps than actually fight other. Get rid of the free rps for actively avoiding a fight and the habits will change. There's been videos of smallmans holding OF lord rooms on this server vs larger numbers but people are too lazy or don't want to coordinate to actually do it.

Also keeps are hardly flipping in NF is 90% towers going back and forth.

Again, people would defend OF keeps if relics were worth a damn otherwise it's generally not worth the hassle and the attackers still get rewarded with welfare rps.

Agree with you except the defending OF keeps - they
Are poorly designed with los issues and hard to defend against the ae and wall penetrating abilities.

I’ve seen a fg of hibs hold off 4fg by out of los pbaoe On the front door. Never mind the shrooms.

Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:51 PM by Wooshh

unhappy

Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:56 PM by Dwanex

canzian wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 9:08 AM
the week is ending ... bye bye NF... never see you again

Man i realy hope you'll see it again soon just for opening such a stupid thread -.-

For myself I like NF way more but whatever they decide, I wont leave the server because of it. Dont act like a 14 year old just because the game is this old

Sat 15 Jun 2019 8:04 PM by Mavella

florin wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:43 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:38 PM
Because people would rather pvdoor for free rps than actually fight other. Get rid of the free rps for actively avoiding a fight and the habits will change. There's been videos of smallmans holding OF lord rooms on this server vs larger numbers but people are too lazy or don't want to coordinate to actually do it.

Also keeps are hardly flipping in NF is 90% towers going back and forth.

Again, people would defend OF keeps if relics were worth a damn otherwise it's generally not worth the hassle and the attackers still get rewarded with welfare rps.
Agree with you except the defending OF keeps - they
Are poorly designed with los issues and hard to defend against the ae and wall penetrating abilities.

I’ve seen a fg of hibs hold off 4fg by out of los pbaoe On the front door. Never mind the shrooms.

Maybe they need to allow pbaoe go through walls again so bomb groups can actually zerg bust. Would be fun to see 50++ death spams as a fg takes out a mindless zerg or goes out in a blaze of glory trying.

Sat 15 Jun 2019 8:48 PM by cere2

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:38 PM
Because people would rather pvdoor for free rps than actually fight other. Get rid of the free rps for actively avoiding a fight and the habits will change. There's been videos of smallmans holding OF lord rooms on this server vs larger numbers but people are too lazy or don't want to coordinate to actually do it.

Also keeps are hardly flipping in NF is 90% towers going back and forth.

Again, people would defend OF keeps if relics were worth a damn otherwise it's generally not worth the hassle and the attackers still get rewarded with welfare rps.

People won't defend OF keeps because they suck. The design was, and still is terribad. Your best bet if you want people to be in favor for OF, never mention anything about OF keeps......ever!

Sat 15 Jun 2019 9:08 PM by florin

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 8:04 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:43 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:38 PM
Because people would rather pvdoor for free rps than actually fight other. Get rid of the free rps for actively avoiding a fight and the habits will change. There's been videos of smallmans holding OF lord rooms on this server vs larger numbers but people are too lazy or don't want to coordinate to actually do it.

Also keeps are hardly flipping in NF is 90% towers going back and forth.

Again, people would defend OF keeps if relics were worth a damn otherwise it's generally not worth the hassle and the attackers still get rewarded with welfare rps.
Agree with you except the defending OF keeps - they
Are poorly designed with los issues and hard to defend against the ae and wall penetrating abilities.

I’ve seen a fg of hibs hold off 4fg by out of los pbaoe On the front door. Never mind the shrooms.

Maybe they need to allow pbaoe go through walls again so bomb groups can actually zerg bust. Would be fun to see 50++ death spams as a fg takes out a mindless zerg or goes out in a blaze of glory trying.

We had that - twf for 2 million rps per week

Sat 15 Jun 2019 10:54 PM by Mavella

florin wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 9:08 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 8:04 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 7:43 PM
Agree with you except the defending OF keeps - they
Are poorly designed with los issues and hard to defend against the ae and wall penetrating abilities.

I’ve seen a fg of hibs hold off 4fg by out of los pbaoe On the front door. Never mind the shrooms.

Maybe they need to allow pbaoe go through walls again so bomb groups can actually zerg bust. Would be fun to see 50++ death spams as a fg takes out a mindless zerg or goes out in a blaze of glory trying.

We had that - twf for 2 million rps per week

Well that was due to easily abused multiplier mechanic.

I'm talking pbaoe through doors and walls at the top of the keep ramps allowing bomb groups to actually function like they did on live for many years.

Also didn't they recently change the ground target RAs to actually require LOS giving the defense a bigger advantage since the attackers can't just drop multiples in the lord room right before they charged?

Sun 16 Jun 2019 12:35 AM by florin

Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 10:54 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 9:08 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 8:04 PM
Maybe they need to allow pbaoe go through walls again so bomb groups can actually zerg bust. Would be fun to see 50++ death spams as a fg takes out a mindless zerg or goes out in a blaze of glory trying.

We had that - twf for 2 million rps per week

Well that was due to easily abused multiplier mechanic.

I'm talking pbaoe through doors and walls at the top of the keep ramps allowing bomb groups to actually function like they did on live for many years.

Also didn't they recently change the ground target RAs to actually require LOS giving the defense a bigger advantage since the attackers can't just drop multiples in the lord room right before they charged?

Yes LoS or ground target assist. This can be done with a necro shade or a visi climber or stealther (not so well in OF keeps but much better with NF)

Not sure why anyone would argue implementing a broken mechanic like pbaoe through walls regardless of how many years it was on live.

Well unless we want to drive away more players!

Sun 16 Jun 2019 1:33 AM by Mavella

florin wrote: ↑
Sun 16 Jun 2019 12:35 AM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 10:54 PM
florin wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Jun 2019 9:08 PM
We had that - twf for 2 million rps per week

Well that was due to easily abused multiplier mechanic.

I'm talking pbaoe through doors and walls at the top of the keep ramps allowing bomb groups to actually function like they did on live for many years.

Also didn't they recently change the ground target RAs to actually require LOS giving the defense a bigger advantage since the attackers can't just drop multiples in the lord room right before they charged?

Yes LoS or ground target assist. This can be done with a necro shade or a visi climber or stealther (not so well in OF keeps but much better with NF)

Not sure why anyone would argue implementing a broken mechanic like pbaoe through walls regardless of how many years it was on live.

Well unless we want to drive away more players!

Well if you give the players all the abilities and advantages to actually defend OF keeps and they still don't it'll just prove that the players and the game mode that are broken. If they made relics worth a damn and pbaoe through walls was too strong making it impossible to take keeps they could just change it back. Ultimately players prefer to take the path of least resistance and pvdoor is just that. Unfortunately NF just quadruples the amount of doors to take out making it even more lucrative.

I think NF vs OF is going to be much more polarizing and cost more players than my change that they could turn back off easily enough if it proves to be far to effective. Ultimately with no larger goal than to farm RPs4life it won't matter either way.

Mon 17 Jun 2019 3:10 PM by Rhox

I had more Solo good fights in my 2 hours last night then 20 hours of NF. I really tried my best to learn the flow of NF but quite figured it out.

Edit for typo.