New Frontiers Travel and Choke points

Started 11 Jun 2019
by Icess
in Suggestions
You will see many excuses like Its was Wow or it was ToA. But the Fact is Population dropped off miserably with NF because of the Travel Issues. Steps were taken to Correct this Problem of a bleeding population with the Release of Catacombs several months early. When this failed there was a Massive server clustering that also failed to fix the bleeding of players! The Population Upswing and steady hold on players began with Darkness Rising. Included in DR were mounts, slower then a Bard,Minstrel or Skald by far but a general movement increase for any class without a movement spells. This allowed players to get to the battles in NF were as previously you were not gonna make it and you just waited at the keep for the next round. Population returned to an upswing with Darkness Rising and the Addition of Proper Lvl 51 Epics. These two additions made NF playable and it is still used on live. Without these QoL changes, Islands and Bridges Become choke points for stealth and Spammer classes. Notoriously Animists and Theurgists with a couple of Field of Thorn Players can kill entire Raids/Zergs. Landings with No stealth prevention in place are a choke point of death for any visi trying to reach a destination. Getting realm speed at towers and keeps is nice until some random mobs takes a swing at you and your now a lumbering target screaming poke me in the Face. Im not saying put in all the epic mounts and other high speed mounts ether. But in a wide open NF for a no speed class the basic advanced mount would be the Ideal way to include all players. Hence why they were enacted to begin with. Many are going to Dump on NF! I for one like the towers and Keep takes. I just Loathe the Travel! You cant always find a Bard or Mini or Skald to taxi around with you but you can always pull out a mount and pony up. Is it ideal travel speed? No. Will you outrun any class with a speed Spell? No. Do you gain Any advantage over other Players? No. All it gives you is the ability not to be stuck at what ever portal keep waiting for a group to pick you up! The more you Patch and Tweak the more it seems like you are shooting for 1.85 without ToA or Tics, Vamps, Valks, Bans,Warlocks, or Maulers....If this is your goal Please Consider why QoL changes were made to the game in a very short period of time compared to others. The time between NF and Catacombs(5 months) Shortest ever and Still the game almost died. Then Clustering Servers was tried and Failed. Then the release of the Classic rule set Server just 7 months after Catacombs failed. Released in the hopes of drawing back those who left! It worked for a short time but quickly became apparent it would not be enough. Hence the Release of Epic Revisions just 2 months after Classic and 3 months after Release of Classic just 1 month after the Epic Revisions they Dropped "Darkness Rising". This Did work quite well and they would not drop another Major content for more then a year!(12 Months) Because DR works with NF. I know you said no speed boosts for this server but i think you should reconsider The Basic Mounts because of functionality if you intend to stay with NF. Thanks for reading. All Information can be Verified with ease on the DAOC.com/content/Patch-Notes web site.
Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:24 AM by Isavyr
TLDR (and jesus, please use paragraphs!)

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  • New frontiers is really big
  • Hastener isn't reliable enough speed to get around NF
  • Horses solve this problem, so please implement them
  • [/list]

    To respond to your post, this is classic power/ability creep. Solve one problem yet create another. If NF is too big, target that instead of runaway measures, imo.

    Also, having persistent hastener that ends after 10m, and temporarily suspends during battle, is a lot easier way to implement your idea without adding a very non classic feature. But even this begs the question of why there are basic speed classes (runemaster, sorc, warden, etc) at all if everyone can basically have free basic speed.
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:36 AM by Fooj Fujiyama
    Agreed if NF remains we should get horses, trying to play a non speed class feels terrible!
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 11:50 AM by LordK
    Horses good idea but jesus use paragraph man
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 3:34 PM by Niix
    And the spiral to a copy of live we go...........
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 3:48 PM by cere2
    So another person who knows exactly why Live lost population.
    Must have been NF.

    I'll agree to an extent that some may have left because of NF/TOA, but other factors like 3 other mmorpg games debuting at that time "might" have had some effect?

    Either way this is just a week long test, if they go with NF permanently then perhaps speed of the hunts or horses could be something of the future.

    NF is just as big/small as OF, but there is just more of it that can be utilized. Relic's actually meant something in NF...
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:27 PM by Pirhana7
    I play here because I want OFs. If I wanted to play NFs id go play on Broadsword. I think the majority want OF but the Devs never see forum posts from people being happy with OF because those players are too busy enjoying the game. The Devs only see the posts from people who want NF and its the same people over and over. But realistickly Id say 80% of the Phoenix players like OF more.
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 6:45 PM by cere2
    Pirhana7 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:27 PM
    I play here because I want OFs. If I wanted to play NFs id go play on Broadsword. I think the majority want OF but the Devs never see forum posts from people being happy with OF because those players are too busy enjoying the game. The Devs only see the posts from people who want NF and its the same people over and over. But realistickly Id say 80% of the Phoenix players like OF more.

    And this percentage is based on....
    Some players just don't post on forums, whether they like the current state of the game or not.
    I mean I can say realistically 86% of the Phoenix players like NF more.
    See what I did there!
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 7:06 PM by Pirhana7
    cere2 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 6:45 PM
    Pirhana7 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:27 PM
    I play here because I want OFs. If I wanted to play NFs id go play on Broadsword. I think the majority want OF but the Devs never see forum posts from people being happy with OF because those players are too busy enjoying the game. The Devs only see the posts from people who want NF and its the same people over and over. But realistickly Id say 80% of the Phoenix players like OF more.

    And this percentage is based on....
    Some players just don't post on forums, whether they like the current state of the game or not.
    I mean I can say realistically 86% of the Phoenix players like NF more.
    See what I did there!

    I based my % off of asking people in game chat, guildies, and friends playing. Generally only 2 out 10 said they would like to change to NF. Think that's a pretty good rough guess on the population.
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 7:33 PM by Dominus
    mark me down for OF pls. In fact, mark me down for OF RA's while yer at it.
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:10 PM by Runental
    Pirhana7 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:27 PM
    I play here because I want OFs. If I wanted to play NFs id go play on Broadsword. I think the majority want OF but the Devs never see forum posts from people being happy with OF because those players are too busy enjoying the game. The Devs only see the posts from people who want NF and its the same people over and over. But realistickly Id say 80% of the Phoenix players like OF more.


    But, but, you said 90% in the other topic... 😅
    What comes next?
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:15 PM by Thoralf1
    I want OF back!
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:28 PM by cere2
    Thoralf1 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:15 PM
    I want OF back!

    Wait a week, you will have it back....I can only hope however...not for long
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:37 PM by Thoralf1
    All bad memories of zerg from Tower to Bridge and Bridge to Keep are back. Constant, boring zerg. In OF the zerg People are able to zerg from tk to mg and back and all the others are able to use the zones left. Even the Raiders and solo-Players find a place in OF. Please, please no NF because NF means no future for phoenix!!
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 10:47 PM by Pirhana7
    Runental wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 8:10 PM
    Pirhana7 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:27 PM
    I play here because I want OFs. If I wanted to play NFs id go play on Broadsword. I think the majority want OF but the Devs never see forum posts from people being happy with OF because those players are too busy enjoying the game. The Devs only see the posts from people who want NF and its the same people over and over. But realistickly Id say 80% of the Phoenix players like OF more.


    But, but, you said 90% in the other topic... 😅
    What comes next?
    Fair enough.... we will say average of 85%
    Wed 12 Jun 2019 6:37 AM by Druth
    Hastener tokens with same RvR cd as Buff Pots, make it happen
    Wed 12 Jun 2019 11:37 AM by Siouxsie
    New Frontiers means I get to run for longer to a fight I'll probably die to.
    Old Frontiers means I can get a fight right outside the MPK.
    Wed 12 Jun 2019 2:03 PM by Horus
    I kinda like the Molvik thing...

    Keep the OF with a a Molvik BG people can go to if they like the NF feel.

    Sure it splits the population a little bit but it gives options to everyone...

    Better than the "arena" crap.

    I guess we'll see how this week goes....
    Thu 13 Jun 2019 1:08 PM by Azuell
    Pirhana7 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 7:06 PM
    cere2 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 6:45 PM
    Pirhana7 wrote:
    Tue 11 Jun 2019 5:27 PM
    I play here because I want OFs. If I wanted to play NFs id go play on Broadsword. I think the majority want OF but the Devs never see forum posts from people being happy with OF because those players are too busy enjoying the game. The Devs only see the posts from people who want NF and its the same people over and over. But realistickly Id say 80% of the Phoenix players like OF more.

    And this percentage is based on....
    Some players just don't post on forums, whether they like the current state of the game or not.
    I mean I can say realistically 86% of the Phoenix players like NF more.
    See what I did there!

    I based my % off of asking people in game chat, guildies, and friends playing. Generally only 2 out 10 said they would like to change to NF. Think that's a pretty good rough guess on the population.

    Is it though?

    How many people did you ask? 10? 100? I highly doubt you polled 100 people and even still that wouldn't be enough. Not only is your sample size not big enough to be even a "rough guess", but it is also likely biased.

    Did you ask people from NA and EU timezones? From all 3 realms? People who just started and don't even have a 50?

    You can't just ask 10 of your friends and guildies and then say, well only two want NF so that must mean 80% of the total population are against it. You didn't get an accurate representation of the entire population.

    Someone posted a poll on another thread that contradicts your 80% claim and actually had more people being in favor of NF, with a (most likely) larger sample size. You could even argue that poll doesn't provide a accurate representation of the total population because it only takes people who read the forums into account.

    The only real way to avoid all biases would be to implement an in-game poll, which would be pretty cool but probably not really necessary.
    Thu 13 Jun 2019 1:12 PM by Exploder
    Not sure how you could ever argue that solo/small man is better on OF over NF. It is by far and away better on NF.
    Thu 13 Jun 2019 4:35 PM by Kappu
    Read the first sentence of your post...... I'll reply to it since you can't seem to use any type of formatting for your thoughts. The population has actually increased when I've looked at the server stats when I log in during US prime time and seems to be up 150 people per realm.
    Fri 14 Jun 2019 5:22 AM by Lillebror
    Siouxsie wrote:
    Wed 12 Jun 2019 11:37 AM
    New Frontiers means I get to run for longer to a fight I'll probably die to.
    Old Frontiers means I can get a fight right outside the MPK.

    Mids have always been lazy, they run Emain PK-MMG-AMG, HW PK-MMG-HMG or just PK-Fensa in mid.
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