Thid and other BG's - Phoenix Freeshard

Hey, i been playing in BG to test out a Inf, Thid was a ton of fun, but input after playing over the weekend is:

Assassins see Archers from way to far, this gotta be tuned down, to make it fun for all parts
PA sucks balls, Casters wasnt that easy target, i didnt bother to spec for it in the end as Garrote was "close" in dps
Rp/pr solo kill vs Thid cap will make you stay for months to cap out ( no need to cry for the BG only chars thats for sure) Your close to lone enforcer if you solo and cap out.
Xp is insane and leveling in any other way is just sad. its Winnie the Pooh....xp and rp
It felt like armor resistent tables was a huge impact crush on stealthers, slash on SB and so on. might have to do with low hitpoints as well.
Melee options for stealthers are boring as the growth rate on Garrote is so much bigger than all other options so it forces the spec choices a lot.
Alchemy haste wasnt possible to get so melee hit slow if not buffed by a player.
For gods sake move turn in merchant for the two bg exp items somewhere else than inside the PK
A low level Combine forces would be really ass kicking.

Inf performed ,and it was funny to see ppl unstealth and sprint to add on almost dead targets to get 1-10rps ^^.

Rough targets from a Inf view was: Crush skald, one damn hard melee ranger, one hard VW, all Thanes and a setup animist. So it seems its all the same as in big boy RvR

Im also supprised to see the dps Archers did, ofc easy pray when meet from stealth if they where alone. Even got killed inside PK in Thid

My end wish is that ppl uses BG's to level. Its really fast

Tue 14 May 2019 8:59 AM by Cadebrennus

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 8:18 AM
Hey, i been playing in BG to test out a Inf, Thid was a ton of fun, but input after playing over the weekend is:

Assassins see Archers from way to far, this gotta be tuned down, to make it fun for all parts
PA sucks balls, Casters wasnt that easy target, i didnt bother to spec for it in the end as Garrote was "close" in dps
Rp/pr solo kill vs Thid cap will make you stay for months to cap out ( no need to cry for the BG only chars thats for sure) Your close to lone enforcer if you solo and cap out.
Xp is insane and leveling in any other way is just sad. its Winnie the Pooh....xp and rp
It felt like armor resistent tables was a huge impact crush on stealthers, slash on SB and so on. might have to do with low hitpoints as well.
Melee options for stealthers are boring as the growth rate on Garrote is so much bigger than all other options so it forces the spec choices a lot.
Alchemy haste wasnt possible to get so melee hit slow if not buffed by a player.
For gods sake move turn in merchant for the two bg exp items somewhere else than inside the PK
A low level Combine forces would be really ass kicking.

Inf performed ,and it was funny to see ppl unstealth and sprint to add on almost dead targets to get 1-10rps ^^.

Rough targets from a Inf view was: Crush skald, one damn hard melee ranger, one hard VW, all Thanes and a setup animist. So it seems its all the same as in big boy RvR
Im also supprised to see the dps Archers did, ofc easy pray when meet from stealth if they where alone. Even got killed inside PK in Thid

My end wish is that ppl uses BG's to level. Its really fast

Archers are very strong in Thid, both melee specced and archery specced. After Thid though they lose their effectiveness

Tue 14 May 2019 8:12 PM by Anelyn77

Pretty much how Thid looks like from Mid side:

- shamans are mostly cave spec, which is fine, they need xp and fun as well, but still rare to see more than 1-2 on and willing to group instead of AoE dot farming mobs around MPK
- pac healers are non existant. Zer0. Seen 1 single healing healer from starting guild, but this really doesn't help a group with no CC / demezz at all vs alb or hib groups that have those aplenty

Hibs only run visibles if they have a) A bard + b) druid at least 1 + c) 1 blue nearsight or animist

Albs will always be present mass stealth and mass zerg (grouped or not) along with the well known twinks (minstrel / reaver and others) and if they have CK, they will stay CK only running down to bridge(s) to engage whatever poor soul(s) came to see what's what.

I literally had it easy mode getting 1L7 on my theurg in thid, with my RM it was painful, largest group I was in had like 6 peeps mostly skalds / hunters, no CC ever present, all this time facing sorc + minst + NS cabby and theurgs (along a plethoria of stealths and what have you), and hibs always go with bard and druid, only time I saw a bard with an eld (with blue NS mind you) was today and they didn't hang out long because albs had more peeps, also blue NS from earth wiz (funny how good it's in thid) and cabby, as well as minstrel, reaver, sorcs, scouts, necros whatever else I foregot

So pretty much if you don't play a twinked stealther as mid (duo or trio even better to guarantee more RPs before /release), it's little point to try to get past 1L5 (which is acceptably fast time invested goal) in thid - unless ofc you made your toon especially for thid and that's where ya wanna stay.

Tue 14 May 2019 9:38 PM by ColdHands

Anelyn77 wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 8:12 PM
Pretty much how Thid looks like from Mid side:

- pac healers are non existant. Zer0. Seen 1 single healing healer from starting guild, but this really doesn't help a group with no CC / demezz at all vs alb or hib groups that have those aplenty

^^^
Mostly because Norse and Dwarf cast speeds are so slow and dex is not primary stat.
I would pick up a Sup SM for CC Demez and buffs. and healer is really only good for buffs.

Tue 14 May 2019 9:49 PM by Luluko

sup bd is pretty fun aswell if your enemies only have 1 cc and mostly casters the lifetap is so lame in there and you can rupt like 3 targets at once 1 gets pet other lifetap every 4secs and the other gets the staff

Wed 15 May 2019 8:05 AM by rodsta69

How does the rvr task work in Thid? I'm barely level 20 so it's virtually impossible for me to kill anything, especially because it's only twinks at the times I play, but I figured I'd at least try to get 1 more RA point for serenity on my friar, so I suicided on CK, waited about 15 min, and the task ticked for 14 rps. Not enough for a point but more than halfway there. Cool, no problem, I'll go do some xping for a bit and come back in 20 min or so and try to do the same thing. This time I ended up dying to a chanter, then a bonedancer, then for good measure the CK guards. Sat in the PK for 50 minutes! and never got a task tick.

So my questions are:
1) Is the task tick regular at the same time (e.g. every :00 and :30 of every hour)?
2) Do you have to still be in the BG to get credit or once you've done some action can you leave the BG and still get credit when the tick happens?
3) What all counts as participation for getting credit? It used to be just dying to anyone would give you credit but now I'm not sure.

Wed 15 May 2019 8:56 AM by Sepplord

afaik there is no task-tick anymore until you re lvl35...
the tick you got before was probably a tick for participating in a keepfight

BEsides those points:

1) yes
2) No, all you have to do is being logged in on the char. Doesn't matter where. You can even log out and back in, as long as the character is online when the task ticks
3) nothing changed, but the minimum level to get participation (min. lvl35)

Wed 15 May 2019 4:24 PM by bigne88

i cant belive stealthers a crying even on lowbie BGs. get good and roll a visi class

Thu 16 May 2019 8:34 AM by Lillebror

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 4:24 PM
i cant belive stealthers a crying even on lowbie BGs. get good and roll a visi class

You refer to me?
I played a Inf and it is a real strong class but i just pointed out stuff i thought was little off.
PA damage is a joke, when Backstab hit for more.
Assassins saw Archers from FAR away (felt really sorry for them)
Alb weapon styles suck vs atleast hib when it comes to growth rate and effects and forces a way of specing. It is just boring.

I speed leveled past next BG after Thid and i aim to retemplate and test out CV.
Is there much action there. rr4l5 cap as 39 sounds really appealing and should be a ton of fun.

Thu 16 May 2019 10:42 AM by Luluko

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 16 May 2019 8:34 AM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 4:24 PM
i cant belive stealthers a crying even on lowbie BGs. get good and roll a visi class
You refer to me?
I played a Inf and it is a real strong class but i just pointed out stuff i thought was little off.
PA damage is a joke, when Backstab hit for more.
Assassins saw Archers from FAR away (felt really sorry for them)
Alb weapon styles suck vs atleast hib when it comes to growth rate and effects and forces a way of specing. It is just boring.

I speed leveled past next BG after Thid and i aim to retemplate and test out CV.
Is there much action there. rr4l5 cap as 39 sounds really appealing and should be a ton of fun.

try it out first before you template there I got my sb parked there aswell and wasted time farming rogs rarely any action when I am there, its currently just too big and should have the same layout like thid or molvik, it will prolly take forever to get 4l5 there if they dont make some changes

Thu 16 May 2019 11:24 AM by Lillebror

its often like this

Thid is packed and rest is a desert.

Thu 16 May 2019 1:51 PM by Aeonstar

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Thu 16 May 2019 11:24 AM
its often like this Thid is packed and rest is a desert.

To be honest, even thid is deserted. All I've seen the last 3 days are the same 4 mid stealth zergers and a couple of groups albs here and there that circle the CK if they own it and don't play at all if they don't. This BG rollout has been really disappointing, and it's not the devs fault so much as the players just being crappy.

EDIT: I stand corrected! Mids just showed up with 2 or 3 groups to fight the evil 3 (thats 3, not 3 groups) Hibs! Joy! This is why they stay deserted.

Thu 16 May 2019 2:46 PM by kratoxin

that's because most people want to just grind lvls to 50 why sit in BG's till 50 when you can just grind faster? especially with xp item turn ins. Most people will just go into Thid to get a few realm levels to give them serenity or tireless/LW then leave. With the outcome of 1-10 rps a kill is kinda low in an honest opinion.. lol they should have just kept the RvR task open and left BG's open for those wanting to BG rather than try to force others to BG to gain some rps... well barely any RP's this makes the catch up system for big boy RvR even lower and less attractive.

Thu 16 May 2019 2:50 PM by Aeonstar

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 16 May 2019 2:46 PM
that's because most people want to just grind lvls to 50 why sit in BG's till 50 when you can just grind faster? especially with xp item turn ins. Most people will just go into Thid to get a few realm levels to give them serenity or tireless/LW then leave. With the outcome of 1-10 rps a kill is kinda low in an honest opinion.. lol they should have just kept the RvR task open and left BG's open for those wanting to BG rather than try to force others to BG to gain some rps... well barely any RP's this makes the catch up system for big boy RvR even lower and less attractive.

You get between 25-75 rps per solo/duo kill. You only get 1-10 rps a kill when you zerg everyone else out of the bg.

Fri 17 May 2019 6:06 AM by Lillebror

75rps for a solo kill? Gotta be if your 20 and opponent is 24 and rr2L9

Fri 17 May 2019 8:24 AM by Sepplord

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Fri 17 May 2019 6:06 AM
75rps for a solo kill? Gotta be if your 20 and opponent is 24 and rr2L9

afaik you don'T get more RP for killing a lvl24 when you are lvl20 instead of 24yourself...afaik you get even less

Fri 17 May 2019 11:13 AM by Aeonstar

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Fri 17 May 2019 6:06 AM
75rps for a solo kill? Gotta be if your 20 and opponent is 24 and rr2L9

75 may be a stretch, looking back on it and after playing some today the highest I've seen is 61 on a solo kill. My point still stands.

Fri 17 May 2019 12:39 PM by Luluko

yeah I usually just logg out when I see that minst/reaver duo in thid and no people wanna invite me no fun vs a twink duo like that

Sat 18 May 2019 10:40 AM by Aeonstar

Nothing but a solo skald adding on 1v1s and attacking people on mobs. Please do something to help populate these things if you are gonna keep tasks gone.

EDIT: Now it's hopping. Mid stealth zerg is back.