Ddos and farming broke my back

The recent issues with ddos attacks are overwhelming. Being dc'd on raids, rvr, farming, etc have become commonplace. I've taken the stance now that after 3 disconnects, that i will save the frustration and go do something else.

On to the second item in my agenda. Farming. That dreaded four letter (farm) ing word that makes my ears ring. After this latest patch i have one more reason to not log on and do something else. I (along with a large majority of the population) play this game for the realm vs. realm component. I built my spec and my template and gear around items that i thought could best serve me. 75 dex/qui items (that were essentially nerfed), 75 str/con item (that was essentially nerfed), heal item, lifetap item. I felt like i had built a rather decent template or two and i was enjoying my template both in groups and solo if i chose to run like that. i won't complain a whole lot about the round about nerfs. What i am more frustrated with is the amount of additional time that i have to spend farming now to either buy potions or make potions to rvr. Add in the unintended effect of going LD every 10 minutes now and the problem is compounded. I'm a pessimist by nature, but i have tried to stay positive this whole time. Just hoping some kind of middle ground is discovered. Population is a finicky thing. Less pop begets less pop. Frustration = less pop. Disagreeable changes = less pop. i think any and all servers run into this. Uth 1.0 ran into it. Uth 2.0 ran into it. Live ran into it. If you've been around long enough to watch the train wrecks we all know what happens. Maybe this is just my version of a vent due to frustration, but i am not going to spend an additional 30-40% of my time farming (due to reduced drop rates) just so i can rvr. As always thanks to the gm's and csr's who spend their own personal time to try to offer something fun and entertaining for the rest of us.

Have a great day...

Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM by chryso

What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

Mon 13 May 2019 3:20 PM by Roto23

Sleepwell. no..... but I have to do this sorry...

CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF?

Mon 13 May 2019 3:24 PM by Mura

chryso wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM
What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

I don't get the farming issue either. I hit 50 and had about 2p, I ran a couple raids to get my chest and MH weapon and sold a stack of feathers to afford armor and SC. I've never gone out of my way to farm and I have more than enough coin work in tradeskills and to start wotking on a 2nd characters' template.

Mon 13 May 2019 3:28 PM by Sleepwell

Pots mainly.

@199 gold for the cheapest combined forces pot on mid (30 charge). Without dying thats 300 minutes of buffs for 200 gold. W/O dying is a false narative, so lets say instead of the 5 hours of playtime i can achieve with pots, i actually get closer to 2 hours of playtime. At a leisurely rate i was farming @ 1.3-1.5 plat per hour on my bd before the drop reduction. Last two days i kept the same leisurely pace and famred between 400 - 600 gold in that hour. So the ration now for pve to pvp went from 1 hr pve to 6 hours of rvr, to 1 hour of pve to 2 to 2.5 hours of rvr. Just not worth it to me. Theyve done a lot of things right here comparatively, but the changes they are making now remind me of live. They make massive adjustments that leave people wondering wtf just happened....The early hard hitters made their plat up front, they templated up front, they got their crafters set up front. Now the "fixes" hit. Those up front are in a good place. Just like Uth 1 or Uth 2, i guess give it another 2 to 3 months to see how it has affected the pop. I always prefer to be pro-active instead of reactive though... bottom line is just wait and see./.. i hope im wrong

Mon 13 May 2019 3:30 PM by Drominchen

chryso wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM
What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

play solo, use mhb every 10 minutes and legion heal or DA charge every fight up to every 2 minutes that is 2-5 charges per 10 minutes and more expensive than before the buff charges nerf.

I get it that you don't need charges anymore in group play and therefore don't need much money if you only play in groups but solo play is very expensive.

Mon 13 May 2019 3:40 PM by Sleepwell

This was just my opinion. I've heard several other mimic it, but it is just that... "my opinion".

I hope yours is the better of the two. I don't know how to tell either. The only metric i can go by is population. Even that is hard to follow. If pop falls what is it due to? Vacations? Changes? Frustration? The disdain to grind?

Again.. there are a LOT of things i personally feel they got right here. I don't mind so much the affect of "fixing" the drop rates has here. Buf if they adjust the drop rate, then possibly increase the amount of coin given for an rvr kill. You want population. You want it to thrive. Or at least i hope thats the case.

On a side note, the ddos are wreaking havoc on solo's. I rarely solo, but when i do, i have realm spead. Ddos ld and i come back 1 minute later. That last 7 mins of realm speed i had is gone and im running like a snail. No thanks.

I havent been a proponent of realm speed pots, but if the ddos attacks cannot be handled, that might be something to consider. Its hitting people who use realm speed, pots harder than anyone.

I wasnt intending on this being a bitch session. I do enjoy a good debate or conversation though. Just wondering what the rest think? What are other ideas?

Mon 13 May 2019 3:44 PM by Sleepwell

Drominchen wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:30 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM
What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

play solo, use mhb every 10 minutes and legion heal or DA charge every fight up to every 2 minutes that is 2-5 charges per 10 minutes and more expensive than before the buff charges nerf.

I get it that you don't need charges anymore in group play and therefore don't need much money if you only play in groups but solo play is very expensive.

Yeah, i hadnt even figured that in. Legion heal charge, and belt lifetap charge. I can easily use all 10 charges of each in an hour running either solo or grouped. Theres another 200gold. So i just equalled my gold production to spendature if i use those 2 charges. 1 hr of pve = 1 hr of pvp... ugghhhhh. I won't last long like that. Hope you guys fair better.

Mon 13 May 2019 3:53 PM by Mavella

Half baked changes result in unsatisfied "customers"

More News at 11.

Charge meta goes from one to another as predicted and everyone is nailed with an income nerf at the same time as they expected charge usage to go down. Presumably to combat inflation.

I swear the devs don't even play their own game.

Mon 13 May 2019 4:29 PM by Bobbahunter

About the Combined Forces.

If you have the Feathers 750 = 75 Tears

Buy the Tears and the Mats cost to make a combined forces is about 200g for a Draught = 100 charges.

Ask for a friendly Alchemist to make them for you say 225 gold if you provide the feathers (Tears)? I make the for my Guildies for Cost. I wouldn't mind making them for people if they supply the Tears and the gold Just tip me.

Mon 13 May 2019 5:52 PM by dbeattie71

4-500g/hr? I don’t get this, BDs must not be good at farming then. With a shaman or SM you could easily burn down camps of blue/green mobs and sell all the drops for way more then 500g an hour.

Mon 13 May 2019 6:02 PM by Sektor

Lol on my cave shaman farming redcaps I made like 5 plat an hour plus the occasional 70 plus rog. I would pull the whole axe hand camp and kite it the same way and come up with nearly 800 arcanite in a little over an hour. I should have stayed mid but no I deleted and went to hibernia.

Mon 13 May 2019 6:08 PM by dbeattie71

Sektor wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 6:02 PM
Lol on my cave shaman farming redcaps I made like 5 plat an hour plus the occasional 70 plus rog. I would pull the whole axe hand camp and kite it the same way and come up with nearly 800 arcanite in a little over an hour. I should have stayed mid but no I deleted and went to hibernia.

Can still do pretty good in hib, I posted in hib forum the results of farming SH for 45mins.
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8758

Mon 13 May 2019 6:08 PM by Sleepwell

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 5:52 PM
4-500g/hr? I don’t get this, BDs must not be good at farming then. With a shaman or SM you could easily burn down camps of blue/green mobs and sell all the drops for way more then 500g an hour.

Before the axehand nerf i was farming @ 200 arc an hour. Drop rate was dropped substantially. I just assumed this was the drop rate "fix" that was done across all three realms. Last two days i farmed @ 100 arc in that same hour... I don't get in a hurry... constant pulling yes, but i'm not grinding away at it. The difference is @ 100 arc an hour, which means i farm @ half of what i used to.. 1.3 to 1.4 plat per hour, down to @ 5-600 g per hour. I'm not gonna go balls out grinding. I have a job already. If i want another one, ill look for that. I'll say it again, this is my perspective and opinion. If it hassles me too bad, ill do just as i did on Uth 1 and Live... ill move on and no hard feelings. Just making an observation.

Mon 13 May 2019 7:24 PM by Sektor

Sleepwell wrote: [quote=dbeattie71 post_id=63837 time=<a href="tel:1557769964">1557769964</a> user_id=10687]
4-500g/hr? I don’t get this, BDs must not be good at farming then. With a shaman or SM you could easily burn down camps of blue/green mobs and sell all the drops for way more then 500g an hour.

Before the axehand nerf i was farming @ 200 arc an hour. Drop rate was dropped substantially. I just assumed this was the drop rate "fix" that was done across all three realms. Last two days i farmed @ 100 arc in that same hour... I don't get in a hurry... constant pulling yes, but i'm not grinding away at it. The difference is @ 100 arc an hour, which means i farm @ half of what i used to.. 1.3 to 1.4 plat per hour, down to @ 5-600 g per hour. I'm not gonna go balls out grinding. I have a job already. If i want another one, ill look for that. I'll say it again, this is my perspective and opinion. If it hassles me too bad, ill do just as i did on Uth 1 and Live... ill move on and no hard feelings. Just making an observation.
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The good news is that plat you farm on mid will go 2 to 3 times farther there as opposed to hibernia.

Mon 13 May 2019 7:54 PM by Sleepwell

That may be the case with pots. I only play mid, so i can only advise what mid combined pots sell for.

The recharges are the same for all realms though. 10 charges = 100gold. I run the legion heart and tg belt on both templates that i have for characters. 200g per session. Not uncommon for that to mean 200g per hour, or more depending on the action.

Mon 13 May 2019 8:01 PM by Bobbahunter

I farmed with my Thane and was soloing about as much as the BDs were on Axehands. I could chain pull 2-3 yell/oj Mobs at a time.

In that hour you will also get about 300-400 gold in trash sell back Green/black/white trash gems, that should still be good. Plus I would average about 200-400 Tempt leather in that same hour. The Chest piece salvaged for I think 54 leather. Now I don't see them as a viable choice to farm. It would be better farming blue/yellow Striders/Chillers in Raum and also get turn in XP items.

Mon 13 May 2019 8:27 PM by Yokahu

Bobbahunter wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:01 PM
I farmed with my Thane and was soloing about as much as the BDs were on Axehands. I could chain pull 2-3 yell/oj Mobs at a time.

In that hour you will also get about 300-400 gold in trash sell back Green/black/white trash gems, that should still be good. Plus I would average about 200-400 Tempt leather in that same hour. The Chest piece salvaged for I think 54 leather. Now I don't see them as a viable choice to farm. It would be better farming blue/yellow Striders/Chillers in Raum and also get turn in XP items.

I bet XP items will be dirt cheap in the market pretty soon.
I’ve seen a lot of players throwing that idea out there, so the offer will be skyrocketing while the demand will not be as high.

Mon 13 May 2019 8:35 PM by t4coops

yeah I was so excited having fun on phoenix then all in like 1 week I lost all my umpf…

solo on caster most the time which is always vs minst or skald or reaver or bd or assassin that pa for more then u can even do anything against

then I lose hella dex and acuity, struggling alreadys and now trying to quickly get casts off and drop people before they get to me or between itnerupts and now I have to try to do the same thing with losing like augdex4 and aug acuity8, is like bleh ;\ lol

then farming went to shit which I hate doing anyway so GG lol

soloing on a caster with con basicvly your highest stat is not fun btw ;\ can I please has my class's red spec buffs back plz ? ;(

Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM by phixion

The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

Mon 13 May 2019 8:51 PM by tucker

To the op.

So you quitting a game because of ddos attacks? The team come together to put out a loved product free for all interested and someone bent on destroying that loved product hacks them and you quit? congratulations, you let them win. No respect for you whatsoever.

Now onto farming. This game has thousands if not millions of items to wear. And that is for a reason. It's to wear the best gear you can get. Not everyone gets the best gear, or there would only be a couple hundred items in the game. Everyone would be wearing the same things and the game would suck for it. It's like hey, everyone starts at RR12 because everyone should be even regardless of effort put in. Your thinking is flawed and is actually like a disease to the health of this game. As much as i wish this game had more players, lots more. Players like you. this game is better off without.

Mon 13 May 2019 9:42 PM by cere2

phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM
The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

You lost 25 quickness. You lost .14 secs a swing. haste went from 17% to 14% a loss of .04 for a grand total of .18 added time per swing.
Game....breaking.
Rest of stats are -18 which has no effect on speed.
I mean really?

Mon 13 May 2019 9:56 PM by florin

cere2 wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 9:42 PM
phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM
The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

You lost 25 quickness. You lost .14 secs a swing. haste went from 17% to 14% a loss of .04 for a grand total of .18 added time per swing.
Game....breaking.
Rest of stats are -18 which has no effect on speed.
I mean really?

Watching nerfed Phixion fight is like watching two turtles mating

Mon 13 May 2019 9:58 PM by phixion

cere2 wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 9:42 PM
phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM
The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

You lost 25 quickness. You lost .14 secs a swing. haste went from 17% to 14% a loss of .04 for a grand total of .18 added time per swing.
Game....breaking.
Rest of stats are -18 which has no effect on speed.
I mean really?

Yes, it feels like shit to play and I would need to spend a fortune in Aug Qui just to get anywhere near my old attack speed.

Mon 13 May 2019 10:09 PM by Roks

chryso wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM
What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

Lower feather drop rates in the main SI dungeons.
I was getting 15k+ per raid in February with 135+ people in the raid. Now I am lucky to get 10k with 115 people in the raid.

Also RoG can be a lot better than raid and PC armor. Farming groups allowed this to be possible to horder 60+ utility gear. Now the drop rate is lower, it just makes things tougher for casual players that are still playing. Casual players are the core of any game. Make it impossible for a casual player to be considered ready to compete then well you will lose that player to something else thats more time rewarding. Just remember how TOA at launch felt? 1 art per encounter, scroll farming, and then arty leveling? jfc some of those arties took longer to get to lvl10 than rolling a stealther and getting 50 solo.

Mon 13 May 2019 10:17 PM by Mavella

phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 9:58 PM
cere2 wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 9:42 PM
phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM
The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

You lost 25 quickness. You lost .14 secs a swing. haste went from 17% to 14% a loss of .04 for a grand total of .18 added time per swing.
Game....breaking.
Rest of stats are -18 which has no effect on speed.
I mean really?

Yes, it feels like shit to play and I would need to spend a fortune in Aug Qui just to get anywhere near my old attack speed.

I was using a 3.2 offhand and am now redoing a totally weaponless temp. Using a 2.4LA will basically get me back to what my swing speed was only for the cheap cost of 35~ plat!

Tue 14 May 2019 12:16 AM by Sleepwell

tucker wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:51 PM
To the op.

So you quitting a game because of ddos attacks? The team come together to put out a loved product free for all interested and someone bent on destroying that loved product hacks them and you quit? congratulations, you let them win. No respect for you whatsoever.

Now onto farming. This game has thousands if not millions of items to wear. And that is for a reason. It's to wear the best gear you can get. Not everyone gets the best gear, or there would only be a couple hundred items in the game. Everyone would be wearing the same things and the game would suck for it. It's like hey, everyone starts at RR12 because everyone should be even regardless of effort put in. Your thinking is flawed and is actually like a disease to the health of this game. As much as i wish this game had more players, lots more. Players like you. this game is better off without.

I had to go back and read my original post just in case i messed up.... i never said i was quitting. I said after 3 dc's i was moving on to something else... .at the time.. never said quiting the game.. and not coming back. I simply stated that this is yet another hit to the population. Bad timing indeed. The ddos... the drop fix.... the drop str/con and dex/qui nerf.

And you're entitled to your opinion. My thinking may be flawed. But several hundreds if not thousands of people were rewarded early. Those who are just now finding the game are behind the eight ball 10 fold compared to anyone who started at Pheonix release. There will always be hard core players. Players who may not have to work for a living... players who do not have a family or much of a social life who can invest a lot of time into the game... those players sacrifice something to get ahead... a paycheck... a family.. a social life.... not judging.. hey.. if thats what you get off on, more power to ya. There are many many many more who fit into the other category though.

Tue 14 May 2019 5:49 AM by t4coops

phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM
The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

ya im a shitty version of myself now, and to think how many millions of more rps I have to get. just to get back to where I was before is like hmm... let just not do the math and go do something else ;\ lol

Tue 14 May 2019 5:53 AM by Ceen

Roks wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 10:09 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM
What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

Lower feather drop rates in the main SI dungeons.
I was getting 15k+ per raid in February with 135+ people in the raid. Now I am lucky to get 10k with 115 people in the raid.

Also RoG can be a lot better than raid and PC armor. Farming groups allowed this to be possible to horder 60+ utility gear. Now the drop rate is lower, it just makes things tougher for casual players that are still playing. Casual players are the core of any game. Make it impossible for a casual player to be considered ready to compete then well you will lose that player to something else thats more time rewarding. Just remember how TOA at launch felt? 1 art per encounter, scroll farming, and then arty leveling? jfc some of those arties took longer to get to lvl10 than rolling a stealther and getting 50 solo.

You simply had feather bonus during the first raid, nothing changed.
As far as I know they only changed the drop chances for non Rog items, nothing changed here as well.
So basically it's the same wonderful server you liked before and flame now

ops:

Tue 14 May 2019 5:59 AM by

Uthred

Roks wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 10:09 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 3:18 PM
What do people need so much money for in game? I am assuming that you have your toons leveled and spellcrafted. They removed the need for so many different buff and charge items. What is costing so much?

Lower feather drop rates in the main SI dungeons.
I was getting 15k+ per raid in February with 135+ people in the raid. Now I am lucky to get 10k with 115 people in the raid.

Also RoG can be a lot better than raid and PC armor. Farming groups allowed this to be possible to horder 60+ utility gear. Now the drop rate is lower, it just makes things tougher for casual players that are still playing. Casual players are the core of any game. Make it impossible for a casual player to be considered ready to compete then well you will lose that player to something else thats more time rewarding. Just remember how TOA at launch felt? 1 art per encounter, scroll farming, and then arty leveling? jfc some of those arties took longer to get to lvl10 than rolling a stealther and getting 50 solo.

Just wrong what you wrote. Please dont spread any false information and stick to the facts. We didnt change the feather droprate and we also didnt change the ROG droprate. Only the droprate on salvageloot has been changed.

Tue 14 May 2019 6:53 AM by Sepplord

Uthred wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 5:59 AM
Just wrong what you wrote. Please dont spread any false information and stick to the facts. We didnt change the feather droprate and we also didnt change the ROG droprate. Only the droprate on salvageloot has been changed.

Quote for emphasis

@sleepwell:
Your opinion is your opinion...but taking an expensive 30charge buffpotion as baseline for your math kind of invalidates your whole argument. You argue with a cost of 10g per use, while there are options on the market that cost less than half of that per charge.

Tue 14 May 2019 8:13 AM by REVOLTE

Excuse me, but what kind of server is this?

Never have i seen so many people worrying and whining about ingame-currency as i have here.
This really baffles me, especially since gold is a JOKE on this server. Characters are so incredibly easy to template, you get away with using extremely sub-par jewelry (compared to the 80+util monsters that drop here) thats being thrown after you for 100-300 gold a piece and full 99 armor.

while i do realize that creating a high end-stealther-temp for example is a tad more work than that.....my statement holds true for most classes and specs.

as for pots and charges....cmon...join one epic dungeon raid / 2 weeks if you sucky sucky or clear DS once in a while and ull never run into cashproblems.

ive asked this in another thread and im asking again here: wtf is wrong with you people? ♥

Tue 14 May 2019 8:23 AM by t4coops

i don't think it is so much whining, but a love for the game we enjoy and want to keep enjoying and if something ruins our time and makes us not so excited to log on anymore we can only assume its the same for others, and instead of sit quite as people quit its sure worth a shot to speak up and perhaps keep things proactive to make it enjoyable for all^^

eye em oh anyways

im still playing either way just saying it sure bummed me out and im not so gung ho bout logging on to get rps anymore since it would just be a huge grind to eventualy get back the cast speed / damage i was at like rr1 ;\ lol, talk about dream crusher ! ;p had dreams of being a big time G now its just trying to get back to being flopsy ;\

Tue 14 May 2019 9:23 AM by REVOLTE

t4coops wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 8:23 AM
i don't think it is so much whining, but a love for the game we enjoy and want to keep enjoying and if something ruins our time and makes us not so excited to log on anymore we can only assume its the same for others, and instead of sit quite as people quit its sure worth a shot to speak up and perhaps keep things proactive to make it enjoyable for all^^

eye em oh anyways

im still playing either way just saying it sure bummed me out and im not so gung ho bout logging on to get rps anymore since it would just be a huge grind to eventualy get back the cast speed / damage i was at like rr1 ;\ lol, talk about dream crusher ! ;p had dreams of being a big time G now its just trying to get back to being flopsy ;\

this thread isnt primarilly about the chargenerf.
its mostly about money. ppl whine and whine and whine about how they cant pull x number of golds/hr anymore and how some people are dirt rich while they are poor af.
again: you do. not. need. that. much. money. here.
you dont. not to play the game at least.

Tue 14 May 2019 12:41 PM by Sleepwell

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 6:53 AM
Uthred wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 5:59 AM
Just wrong what you wrote. Please dont spread any false information and stick to the facts. We didnt change the feather droprate and we also didnt change the ROG droprate. Only the droprate on salvageloot has been changed.

Quote for emphasis

@sleepwell:
Your opinion is your opinion...but taking an expensive 30charge buffpotion as baseline for your math kind of invalidates your whole argument. You argue with a cost of 10g per use, while there are options on the market that cost less than half of that per charge.

It doesnt invalidate it if that is how "i" chose to play the game, or how many many others chose to play "their" game. Its about being competitive, right? Spending more time to get an edge? I'm sure people who template 4 to 6 characters (i have 2), just LOVE running TG over and over again, especially with the population lowering. Those days of 400+ TG raids (EU primetime when i was steadily working at my US primetime job) are non existent and doubtful to ever return. So there is a curve now unless i see things completely wrong. Raids are diminishing. Now cashflow diminishes as well.

I chose to play the game and equip my savage and my beserker the best i could afford. I could not attend the daily EU raids when they were ran, so i would do what i could US primetime when the pop was less.. .and the raids were more complicated (not just a zergfest). I bit the bullet though, and i did what i needed to do, or i farmed for hours on end for enough plat to trade my "time" (i.e. plat) for feathers/gear. I spent weeks of time farming a specific (heavily camped) mob in Mid/Malomous for a specific drop i "wanted", not needed, to make myself as templated as i could. I have seen on these boards that many Hib toons did the same for the Pooka Cloak.....That two weeks of solid farming each night gave me an edge. I finally farmed the two 75 dex/qui rings i wanted, and two 75 str/con necks i wanted.
It came at a cost though. Two weeks of farming meant i sacrificed time/rps to do just that. Farm instead of rvr (the reason i play this game). But it was for a purpose... so i could give myself the edge. I should have taken into consideration that this is a randomly "custom" freeshard and that on a whim, the GM's can and do choose to make these kind of changes. I'm not suggesting that i will quit. Im not suggesting that anyone will or should quit. But the notion that fewer and fewer people will be in the battlefield has to be on some minds, doesnt it? If i am of the minority, and running my game and character optimally doesnt matter, then i suppose you won't see much of an impact to enemies to fight. But if i am in the middle, or part of the majority, i am simply pointing out that the need to farm more (reduced salvage loot means more time to farm said loot) so that i can compete at the level i choose to compete or others for that matter, along with the unfortunate ddos events and the decreased population.... well.. its not rocket science. I've enjoyed this server way more than i did Uth 1.0. I refused to play uth 2.0 after years of my time was nonchalantly discarded (with uth 1 wipe). I just hate to see it go down a path that doesnt look conducive to a steady population.

Tue 14 May 2019 12:53 PM by Sleepwell

REVOLTE wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 9:23 AM
t4coops wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 8:23 AM
i don't think it is so much whining, but a love for the game we enjoy and want to keep enjoying and if something ruins our time and makes us not so excited to log on anymore we can only assume its the same for others, and instead of sit quite as people quit its sure worth a shot to speak up and perhaps keep things proactive to make it enjoyable for all^^

eye em oh anyways

im still playing either way just saying it sure bummed me out and im not so gung ho bout logging on to get rps anymore since it would just be a huge grind to eventualy get back the cast speed / damage i was at like rr1 ;\ lol, talk about dream crusher ! ;p had dreams of being a big time G now its just trying to get back to being flopsy ;\

this thread isnt primarilly about the chargenerf.
its mostly about money. ppl whine and whine and whine about how they cant pull x number of golds/hr anymore and how some people are dirt rich while they are poor af.
again: you do. not. need. that. much. money. here.
you dont. not to play the game at least.

You're absolutely right. I do not. I can play until i am out of gold for recharges. Then i can choose to leave rvr and go farm gold, or i can choose to log and watch netflix and do something else. We all have choices. I would love the option to earn enough via rvr so that i could continue to rvr. Before the salvage fix, i never logged a complaint about that. I understood the GMs decision to not reward rvr kills with vast amounts of gold. I didnt mind spending an hour or so a week to sustain my rvr fix (buy pots, recharge cost etc). Im not sure in the end what provoked the salvage drop fix. If it was months of people farming and acquiring inordinate caches of plat finally got the best of the gms and they decided to stop it, then i get it. It just took too long if thats the case. The caches were built. People spent their time and effort to run raids. People spent time and effort to farm for hours for gear that was essentially nerfed. I have said this before. I appreciate the Devs, the GMs, and the CSRs. Theirs is a thankless job. I appreciate them way more than i ever did Blue or the team on Uth1. I feel like they listen to the playerbase WAY more than live Devs and GMs who are paid for their work. But at the same time i am allowed to feel like it is a small smack in the face. Those who did invest the time in effort into farming/raiding/grinding were in essence told that "your time really wasnt of consequence.. .all that time you spent doesnt matter... we are making this change.. .have a nice day :-)". Custom means custom though. I can accept that approach just like i did on Uth 1. You accept it and adapt, or you don't and you move on. If i had no will to continue,then i never would have taken the time to comment on this. I enjoy the community though. I enjoy the game. And i'd like to see it sustain.

Tue 14 May 2019 12:57 PM by Dominus

@sleepwell. Your posts are good and content excellent, mind using a paragraph or two?

Tue 14 May 2019 1:14 PM by Sleepwell

hahaha... noted... my english professor told me i would need to use that in real life... i rejected the theory!

Tue 14 May 2019 1:31 PM by Sepplord

Sleepwell wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 12:41 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 6:53 AM
Uthred wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 5:59 AM
Just wrong what you wrote. Please dont spread any false information and stick to the facts. We didnt change the feather droprate and we also didnt change the ROG droprate. Only the droprate on salvageloot has been changed.

Quote for emphasis

@sleepwell:
Your opinion is your opinion...but taking an expensive 30charge buffpotion as baseline for your math kind of invalidates your whole argument. You argue with a cost of 10g per use, while there are options on the market that cost less than half of that per charge.

It doesnt invalidate it if that is how "i" chose to play the game, or how many many others chose to play "their" game. Its about being competitive, right? Spending more time to get an edge? I'm sure people who template 4 to 6 characters (i have 2), just LOVE running TG over and over again, especially with the population lowering. Those days of 400+ TG raids (EU primetime when i was steadily working at my US primetime job) are non existent and doubtful to ever return. So there is a curve now unless i see things completely wrong. Raids are diminishing. Now cashflow diminishes as well.

I chose to play the game and equip my savage and my beserker the best i could afford. I could not attend the daily EU raids when they were ran, so i would do what i could US primetime when the pop was less.. .and the raids were more complicated (not just a zergfest). I bit the bullet though, and i did what i needed to do, or i farmed for hours on end for enough plat to trade my "time" (i.e. plat) for feathers/gear. I spent weeks of time farming a specific (heavily camped) mob in Mid/Malomous for a specific drop i "wanted", not needed, to make myself as templated as i could. I have seen on these boards that many Hib toons did the same for the Pooka Cloak.....That two weeks of solid farming each night gave me an edge. I finally farmed the two 75 dex/qui rings i wanted, and two 75 str/con necks i wanted.
It came at a cost though. Two weeks of farming meant i sacrificed time/rps to do just that. Farm instead of rvr (the reason i play this game). But it was for a purpose... so i could give myself the edge. I should have taken into consideration that this is a randomly "custom" freeshard and that on a whim, the GM's can and do choose to make these kind of changes. I'm not suggesting that i will quit. Im not suggesting that anyone will or should quit. But the notion that fewer and fewer people will be in the battlefield has to be on some minds, doesnt it? If i am of the minority, and running my game and character optimally doesnt matter, then i suppose you won't see much of an impact to enemies to fight. But if i am in the middle, or part of the majority, i am simply pointing out that the need to farm more (reduced salvage loot means more time to farm said loot) so that i can compete at the level i choose to compete or others for that matter, along with the unfortunate ddos events and the decreased population.... well.. its not rocket science. I've enjoyed this server way more than i did Uth 1.0. I refused to play uth 2.0 after years of my time was nonchalantly discarded (with uth 1 wipe). I just hate to see it go down a path that doesnt look conducive to a steady population.

I think you missed the point of my comment. You complain about cost of playing RvR but do not use the cheapest available option to buff. You are free to choose that as the way "you" and "others" play the game. But i think you meant something different with that....

See, you make some valid points and i agree with a few of them, but information like "300g for 30charges" that clearly show insane lazyness/ignorance to the fact that there are the same charges for 400g/100charges. It's similar to someone complaining how long it takes to reach the milegate and in his post you see that he doesn't use hasterners.

Tue 14 May 2019 1:42 PM by Sleepwell

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 6:53 AM
I think you missed the point of my comment. You complain about cost of playing RvR but do not use the cheapest available option to buff. You are free to choose that as the way "you" and "others" play the game. But i think you meant something different with that....

See, you make some valid points and i agree with a few of them, but information like "300g for 30charges" that clearly show insane lazyness/ignorance to the fact that there are the same charges for 400g/100charges. It's similar to someone complaining how long it takes to reach the milegate and in his post you see that he doesn't use hasterners.

Ok, i gotcha now. That may be the case. I do have guildies who can make those for me. I'll concede i need to take the time to get a pot made. I typically have an hour or two to play per night, and i hit the market on the fly if i am fortunate enough to get to play. I don't think ive ever seen a 100 charge pot on the market for 400g. IF thats cost, then i can make that arrangement. Thanx for the advice!

Recharges however are consistent, unless there is a recharge merchant that im missing that is cheaper than 100/10. I'm perfectly willing to eat crow on that one as well, lazyness be damned :-).

I can complain about reaching a milegate... at least lately. A hastener is a great thing. The ddos ld's that are plaguing the server have a huge impact on this though. Each and every time that i have ran out on hastener speed and have the unfortunate ld. I lose hastener speed. I could have left the pk 2 minutes ago. Given that it takes @ 30 seconds to log back in if i am lucky, i should have at minimum 5 minutes of hastener left, but that is not the case. Hastener speed is lost (at least for me) after a ddos ld.

Thanks for the advice though !!!

Wed 15 May 2019 6:32 AM by t4coops

no joke I just linked my friend a clip of our fight and he said you forgot to speed it up(like I always do), and I said no its sped up they just shat on my stats ;\ lol

least got a giggle out of the sad time I guess ;\

now just to try not to think about how many million more rp's I need to get to make my char as good as I was before, oooof

Wed 15 May 2019 6:35 AM by Sepplord

t4coops wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 6:32 AM
no joke I just linked my friend a clip of our fight and he said you forgot to speed it up(like I always do), and I said no its sped up they just shat on my stats ;\ lol

least got a giggle out of the sad time I guess ;\

now just to try not to think about how many million more rp's I need to get to make my char as good as I was before, oooof

/thathappened

Wed 15 May 2019 6:36 AM by t4coops

the day daoc no longer allows you to have the same stats as everyone else your fighting, is a terribly sad day

(the difference between having buff potions and player buffs is like being templated vs not templated, the dex increase is like over 60, that's nearly as much as you get out of your entire temp....lol

Wed 15 May 2019 6:39 AM by REVOLTE

can someone shut this whining animist up please?

one more time: the changes affect EVERYONE. the field is even. the more i think about it the more i like it actually - especially when taken into consideration that there is no charge (dont you dare comin round the corner with the old bs charge

) on this server.

Wed 15 May 2019 6:41 AM by t4coops

REVOLTE wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 6:39 AM
one more time: the changes affect EVERYONE. the field is even. the more i think about it

your bad at thinking, I suggest not trying anymore, or atleast not making it public

Wed 15 May 2019 6:45 AM by bbrandin82

if you was solo on classic you didnt have buffs so why complain...unless you had a bot...

Wed 15 May 2019 7:01 AM by Stoertebecker

Sektor wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 6:02 PM
Lol on my cave shaman farming redcaps I made like 5 plat an hour plus the occasional 70 plus rog. I would pull the whole axe hand camp and kite it the same way and come up with nearly 800 arcanite in a little over an hour. I should have stayed mid but no I deleted and went to hibernia.

Congratulations, you and your cave shaman were part of the problem.
Jumping on a spot no matter if someone else (or more) is already farming there, just start pulling the whole camp and hitting /appeal instantly if someone dares to hit 1 mob. I could puke each each time.....
Good that you switched realms.

Wed 15 May 2019 2:17 PM by dstrmberg

phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 9:58 PM
cere2 wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 9:42 PM
phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 8:45 PM
The buff nerf killed me.

I absolutely hate the feel of my char now, so slow, unrewarding, boring.

You lost 25 quickness. You lost .14 secs a swing. haste went from 17% to 14% a loss of .04 for a grand total of .18 added time per swing.
Game....breaking.
Rest of stats are -18 which has no effect on speed.
I mean really?

Yes, it feels like shit to play and I would need to spend a fortune in Aug Qui just to get anywhere near my old attack speed.

You know that you can easily fix this by crafting a slightly faster mainhander, right?

Wed 15 May 2019 2:30 PM by phixion

dstrmberg wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 2:17 PM
You know that you can easily fix this by crafting a slightly faster mainhander, right?

And hitting for even less damage... yeah.

We got nerfed.

Wed 15 May 2019 2:54 PM by Sektor

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 7:01 AM
Sektor wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 6:02 PM
Lol on my cave shaman farming redcaps I made like 5 plat an hour plus the occasional 70 plus rog. I would pull the whole axe hand camp and kite it the same way and come up with nearly 800 arcanite in a little over an hour. I should have stayed mid but no I deleted and went to hibernia.

Congratulations, you and your cave shaman were part of the problem.
Jumping on a spot no matter if someone else (or more) is already farming there, just start pulling the whole camp and hitting /appeal instantly if someone dares to hit 1 mob. I could puke each each time.....
Good that you switched realms.

Did a cave shaman steal your gf or something? LOL

Wed 15 May 2019 3:59 PM by Stoertebecker

Sektor wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 2:54 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 7:01 AM
Sektor wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 6:02 PM
Lol on my cave shaman farming redcaps I made like 5 plat an hour plus the occasional 70 plus rog. I would pull the whole axe hand camp and kite it the same way and come up with nearly 800 arcanite in a little over an hour. I should have stayed mid but no I deleted and went to hibernia.

Congratulations, you and your cave shaman were part of the problem.
Jumping on a spot no matter if someone else (or more) is already farming there, just start pulling the whole camp and hitting /appeal instantly if someone dares to hit 1 mob. I could puke each each time.....
Good that you switched realms.

Did a cave shaman steal your gf or something? LOL

Not rly, but players with such an selfish attitude like cave shamans should never get one.

Wed 15 May 2019 4:01 PM by Mavella

Sektor wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 2:54 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 7:01 AM
Sektor wrote: ↑
Mon 13 May 2019 6:02 PM
Lol on my cave shaman farming redcaps I made like 5 plat an hour plus the occasional 70 plus rog. I would pull the whole axe hand camp and kite it the same way and come up with nearly 800 arcanite in a little over an hour. I should have stayed mid but no I deleted and went to hibernia.

Congratulations, you and your cave shaman were part of the problem.
Jumping on a spot no matter if someone else (or more) is already farming there, just start pulling the whole camp and hitting /appeal instantly if someone dares to hit 1 mob. I could puke each each time.....
Good that you switched realms.

Did a cave shaman steal your gf or something? LOL

Probably, but it is pretty aggrevating when they pull an entire camp of something and half of them end up leashing and resetting anyway.

Wed 15 May 2019 8:31 PM by Sektor

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 3:59 PM
Sektor wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 2:54 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 7:01 AM
Congratulations, you and your cave shaman were part of the problem.
Jumping on a spot no matter if someone else (or more) is already farming there, just start pulling the whole camp and hitting /appeal instantly if someone dares to hit 1 mob. I could puke each each time.....
Good that you switched realms.

Did a cave shaman steal your gf or something? LOL

Not rly, but players with such an selfish attitude like cave shamans should never get one.

Obv you lack the intelligence to level a good farming class. My heart bleeds for you.

Wed 15 May 2019 10:52 PM by t4coops

you cant give a fat kid chocolate cake then tell him he can never have it again, if anything you need to make something else look more appealing to him then the cake so he loses out but doesn't know and is still happy

cant give good buffs, then we like oh ya ima log on today grind out some rps be sick when I get this and that and can start pumping those 1 things

then its like oh hmm, go log on and work my ass off to evnetualy at super high rank be back to where I was before ? eh perhaps tv sounds more fun or walking the dog atm... lol

needa give us back our buffs and boost player buffs by like 15-20 delve or osemting so atleast we don't realise how much life sucks when you have ot go get like 6m rps to get the stats back to where u was at like rank 1 lol

trick us please next time ! we are weak minded it sohuldnt be hard !

Wed 15 May 2019 10:55 PM by t4coops

dunno why I feel the dif so much like phixxon but shit seems in retard mode lol...perhaps just in my head ;\ or perhaps shrooms take so long its like jesus christ how htye gonna take evne more dex away when everyone got isntas for days alrdy… -_- lol

shrugs o well, ima flop either way so I dunno why I care

(guess I was just excited I was almost done with the ra's iwanted and was bout to start pumnping aug dex and the cast speed ra, and then went from red d/q to blue and its gonna take millions and millions of rps just to get back to what I was that I was desperately trying to raise before ;\lol)

Thu 16 May 2019 6:31 AM by Stoertebecker

Sektor wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 8:31 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 3:59 PM
Sektor wrote: ↑
Wed 15 May 2019 2:54 PM
Did a cave shaman steal your gf or something? LOL

Not rly, but players with such an selfish attitude like cave shamans should never get one.

Obv you lack the intelligence to level a good farming class. My heart bleeds for you.

Playing a 18y old video game and talking about intelligence.

Thu 16 May 2019 6:50 AM by Sepplord

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 16 May 2019 6:31 AM
Playing a 18y old video game and talking about intelligence.

I am not sure what you are trying to say there

Thu 16 May 2019 6:55 AM by

Uthred

Im too lazy and too busy to delete all the insults and offtopic in here, so im going to close this.