denial of service attacks or bad isp?

Started 10 May 2019
by relvinian
in Ask the Team
if the first please press charges.

if the 2nd do u need money?
Fri 10 May 2019 7:22 PM by Dominus
maybe it will force people to crawl out of the basement and enjoy the outdoors for an hour or so. Not the end of the world Mr. Necro.
Fri 10 May 2019 7:59 PM by relvinian
The sun burns!
Fri 10 May 2019 8:13 PM by Dominus
get your pale Inconnu flesh outside!
Fri 10 May 2019 8:24 PM by relvinian
i just got massive rps, like 14k in a keep defense in crim.

And then? Server crash.

Edit, guess just me.

BUT logged in got 3700 for task. Thanks, hibs.
Fri 10 May 2019 8:27 PM by Dominus
that's it! I'm roling Alb. I miss my Necro. Hook me up Relv.
Fri 10 May 2019 8:34 PM by BisbyHoughton
Was talking last night w some folks who also agreed this kind of feels like a DDoS attack.
Fri 10 May 2019 8:34 PM by relvinian
its not like leveling necro is difficult. Took me a week at about 4 hours a day to get to 50 solo.
Fri 10 May 2019 9:59 PM by lurker
Basically impossible to identify the perpetrator of a proper DDoS attack without serious (and I mean SERIOUS) investigative work.

You just need to implement technical solutions to mitigate them. These in themselves can be costly.
Sat 11 May 2019 10:50 AM by gruenesschaf
It's a ddos. According to our hosting provider their automatic ddos mitigation is what stopped those but it took about a minute or two to kick in each attack. They are contacted and said they'll keep it enabled for the gameserver, unsure when they'll flip the switch though.
Sat 11 May 2019 11:38 AM by Cadebrennus
My guess is that it's either someone they banned or Broadsword in its death throes trying to take down an opponent.
Sat 11 May 2019 11:47 AM by relvinian
Well on the off chance that whoever is doing this ddos reads this discussion--

Please stop this. As I once told, when door closes, another door opens.

Don't waste your energy on stuff like this. Go out and have fun. Get laid. Do something positive.

On a long enough timeline stuff like this bites you in the ass.
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM by Sepplord
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory
Mon 13 May 2019 8:22 AM by Cadebrennus
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory

I was being facetious
Mon 13 May 2019 8:25 AM by Sepplord
Cadebrennus wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 8:22 AM
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory

I was being facetious

Yeah, it was more directed at the average reader, that reads it and believes it...especially since they also read it in advice 10times
Mon 13 May 2019 6:18 PM by Durandal
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory

Not really. They could just be doing a different method and that it is happening at the same time as a ddos from a banned player, it is a convenient diversion. BS pushed a client update out recently, if you look at https://www.darkageofcamelot.com/ you can see that the major patch was on Apr. 22nd, during that day there were multiple emergency maintances to fix crashing issues. Apr 29th and May 1st, there were more emergency downtimes on live, to fix crashing issues, some of these required extended downtimes for more then several hours. DAoC having CTD issues after patches is highly unusual, as patches do present common problems over the years , this particular one has not really occurred much in the entire history of the game (severed client connections to a server that doesn't crash).


I got a theory, and I might be wrong here. It is a known fact that live took a big hit, to the point where some nights you could do a /who NF (which tells you how many non /anon players are in the frontier), and that it would be less then 10 players! A huge hit! Broadsword refuses to address the community about Phoenix. But you know who they had to address? The publisher! I would be willing to wager that they had a big conference call, and they had to answer for the change in income. A massive change in income. I'm talking along the lines of going from aprox $250,000 to $25,000. So what happens next? This publishing company is very rich, there are a lot of resources at their disposal. They fly someone in!!! Someone who knows how to write code, and gets paid a lot for being a specialist, someone who can sit in the chair for 20 mins and cook something up real good. They put some code into the new client, a client that every phoenix player must download from the live website in order to play. It is a simple anti-piracy code, but well hidden within millions of lines of code. A trigger that would sever whatever connection that the client has to whatever server it is connected to, even the live server (which they had to emergency fix a few things due to false positives in the battlegrounds and housing zones on live....)

You notice that the border keeps are all borked now? You are playing on the most recent live build pushed a couple weeks ago.

Many of us, myself included, have older versions. My laptop actually has the last working build on it, from mid-march. Just need a good filehosting service...
Mon 13 May 2019 6:46 PM by Svekt
Durandal wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 6:18 PM
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory

Not really. They could just be doing a different method and that it is happening at the same time as a ddos from a banned player, it is a convenient diversion. BS pushed a client update out recently, if you look at https://www.darkageofcamelot.com/ you can see that the major patch was on Apr. 22nd, during that day there were multiple emergency maintances to fix crashing issues. Apr 29th and May 1st, there were more emergency downtimes on live, to fix crashing issues, some of these required extended downtimes for more then several hours. DAoC having CTD issues after patches is highly unusual, as patches do present common problems over the years , this particular one has not really occurred much in the entire history of the game (severed client connections to a server that doesn't crash).


I got a theory, and I might be wrong here. It is a known fact that live took a big hit, to the point where some nights you could do a /who NF (which tells you how many non /anon players are in the frontier), and that it would be less then 10 players! A huge hit! Broadsword refuses to address the community about Phoenix. But you know who they had to address? The publisher! I would be willing to wager that they had a big conference call, and they had to answer for the change in income. A massive change in income. I'm talking along the lines of going from aprox $250,000 to $25,000. So what happens next? This publishing company is very rich, there are a lot of resources at their disposal. They fly someone in!!! Someone who knows how to write code, and gets paid a lot for being a specialist, someone who can sit in the chair for 20 mins and cook something up real good. They put some code into the new client, a client that every phoenix player must download from the live website in order to play. It is a simple anti-piracy code, but well hidden within millions of lines of code. A trigger that would sever whatever connection that the client has to whatever server it is connected to, even the live server (which they had to emergency fix a few things due to false positives in the battlegrounds and housing zones on live....)

You notice that the border keeps are all borked now? You are playing on the most recent live build pushed a couple weeks ago.

Many of us, myself included, have older versions. My laptop actually has the last working build on it, from mid-march. Just need a good filehosting service...

Conspiracy theories are so appealing because our brains are literally hardwired to find patterns in the world around us. As we evolved, this ability to sniff out patterns could mean the difference between life and death. If you couldn’t associate dark clouds with an incoming storm, you might get killed in a flood. If you didn’t sense the connection between a shadow and a predator waiting to kill you, it might be the last mistake you ever made. As much as the brain thrives on finding the signal in the noise, the real world is a terrifyingly random place. Sometimes our brains try to make sense of a situation by finding a pattern, whether or not one really exists. This phenomenon is called illusory pattern perception, and research suggests it plays a huge role in conspiracy theory belief. A person seeing connections where there aren’t any doesn’t appear to be isolated to a particular topic. In one recent study, subjects record the results of a series of coin flips. Those who sensed a pattern in the random results were more likely to believe in at least one major conspiracy theory. Researchers also seemed to be able to prime people to illusory pattern perception. By asking subjects to read about conspiracy theories immediately prior to recording coin flips, the test subjects were more likely to see patterns in the random coin flips than the control group. So are conspiracy theorists just better at intuiting what’s really going on? According to them, yes. But, according to neuroscientists, almost certainly not. As it turns out, the real culprit may be the dopamine in their brains. People who have higher levels of naturally occurring dopamine have been found to be more susceptible to conspiracy theories. One experiment even showed that non-believer subjects were more likely to see patterns in random shapes after receiving a drug designed to artificially boost their brain’s free dopamine levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98U1nMFrJQ
Mon 13 May 2019 6:54 PM by Durandal
Svekt wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 6:46 PM
Durandal wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 6:18 PM
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory

Not really. They could just be doing a different method and that it is happening at the same time as a ddos from a banned player, it is a convenient diversion. BS pushed a client update out recently, if you look at https://www.darkageofcamelot.com/ you can see that the major patch was on Apr. 22nd, during that day there were multiple emergency maintances to fix crashing issues. Apr 29th and May 1st, there were more emergency downtimes on live, to fix crashing issues, some of these required extended downtimes for more then several hours. DAoC having CTD issues after patches is highly unusual, as patches do present common problems over the years , this particular one has not really occurred much in the entire history of the game (severed client connections to a server that doesn't crash).


I got a theory, and I might be wrong here. It is a known fact that live took a big hit, to the point where some nights you could do a /who NF (which tells you how many non /anon players are in the frontier), and that it would be less then 10 players! A huge hit! Broadsword refuses to address the community about Phoenix. But you know who they had to address? The publisher! I would be willing to wager that they had a big conference call, and they had to answer for the change in income. A massive change in income. I'm talking along the lines of going from aprox $250,000 to $25,000. So what happens next? This publishing company is very rich, there are a lot of resources at their disposal. They fly someone in!!! Someone who knows how to write code, and gets paid a lot for being a specialist, someone who can sit in the chair for 20 mins and cook something up real good. They put some code into the new client, a client that every phoenix player must download from the live website in order to play. It is a simple anti-piracy code, but well hidden within millions of lines of code. A trigger that would sever whatever connection that the client has to whatever server it is connected to, even the live server (which they had to emergency fix a few things due to false positives in the battlegrounds and housing zones on live....)

You notice that the border keeps are all borked now? You are playing on the most recent live build pushed a couple weeks ago.

Many of us, myself included, have older versions. My laptop actually has the last working build on it, from mid-march. Just need a good filehosting service...

Conspiracy theories are so appealing because our brains are literally hardwired to find patterns in the world around us. As we evolved, this ability to sniff out patterns could mean the difference between life and death. If you couldn’t associate dark clouds with an incoming storm, you might get killed in a flood. If you didn’t sense the connection between a shadow and a predator waiting to kill you, it might be the last mistake you ever made. As much as the brain thrives on finding the signal in the noise, the real world is a terrifyingly random place. Sometimes our brains try to make sense of a situation by finding a pattern, whether or not one really exists. This phenomenon is called illusory pattern perception, and research suggests it plays a huge role in conspiracy theory belief. A person seeing connections where there aren’t any doesn’t appear to be isolated to a particular topic. In one recent study, subjects record the results of a series of coin flips. Those who sensed a pattern in the random results were more likely to believe in at least one major conspiracy theory. Researchers also seemed to be able to prime people to illusory pattern perception. By asking subjects to read about conspiracy theories immediately prior to recording coin flips, the test subjects were more likely to see patterns in the random coin flips than the control group. So are conspiracy theorists just better at intuiting what’s really going on? According to them, yes. But, according to neuroscientists, almost certainly not. As it turns out, the real culprit may be the dopamine in their brains. People who have higher levels of naturally occurring dopamine have been found to be more susceptible to conspiracy theories. One experiment even showed that non-believer subjects were more likely to see patterns in random shapes after receiving a drug designed to artificially boost their brain’s free dopamine levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98U1nMFrJQ

Sure, I get what your trying to push, but you need to have common sense. Especially when money, jobs, livelihoods are involved. They will do something, especially when they don't have the ability to make a better game then the one that is here. Remember that the folder that is the parent directory of the game is called Electronic Arts, broadsword doesn't get to change that default name by obligation. The lawyers can't stop it so they will try this. It may have been a little foolish to use the live build that is downloaded off EA's website to play on this server, but that can always be fixed, and this is common sense what they are doing.

They have added anti-piracy code into their most recent client update. I am nearly 100% sure on this fact. They were really, really clever to mask it like they did. They do not want to make it obvious what they have done.
Mon 13 May 2019 7:17 PM by Horus
Svekt wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 6:46 PM
Durandal wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 6:18 PM
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:23 AM
could also just be someone butthurt by a change he/she doesn't like...

Broadsword being behind it seem a bit ridiculous as a theory

Not really. They could just be doing a different method and that it is happening at the same time as a ddos from a banned player, it is a convenient diversion. BS pushed a client update out recently, if you look at https://www.darkageofcamelot.com/ you can see that the major patch was on Apr. 22nd, during that day there were multiple emergency maintances to fix crashing issues. Apr 29th and May 1st, there were more emergency downtimes on live, to fix crashing issues, some of these required extended downtimes for more then several hours. DAoC having CTD issues after patches is highly unusual, as patches do present common problems over the years , this particular one has not really occurred much in the entire history of the game (severed client connections to a server that doesn't crash).


I got a theory, and I might be wrong here. It is a known fact that live took a big hit, to the point where some nights you could do a /who NF (which tells you how many non /anon players are in the frontier), and that it would be less then 10 players! A huge hit! Broadsword refuses to address the community about Phoenix. But you know who they had to address? The publisher! I would be willing to wager that they had a big conference call, and they had to answer for the change in income. A massive change in income. I'm talking along the lines of going from aprox $250,000 to $25,000. So what happens next? This publishing company is very rich, there are a lot of resources at their disposal. They fly someone in!!! Someone who knows how to write code, and gets paid a lot for being a specialist, someone who can sit in the chair for 20 mins and cook something up real good. They put some code into the new client, a client that every phoenix player must download from the live website in order to play. It is a simple anti-piracy code, but well hidden within millions of lines of code. A trigger that would sever whatever connection that the client has to whatever server it is connected to, even the live server (which they had to emergency fix a few things due to false positives in the battlegrounds and housing zones on live....)

You notice that the border keeps are all borked now? You are playing on the most recent live build pushed a couple weeks ago.

Many of us, myself included, have older versions. My laptop actually has the last working build on it, from mid-march. Just need a good filehosting service...

Conspiracy theories are so appealing because our brains are literally hardwired to find patterns in the world around us. As we evolved, this ability to sniff out patterns could mean the difference between life and death. If you couldn’t associate dark clouds with an incoming storm, you might get killed in a flood. If you didn’t sense the connection between a shadow and a predator waiting to kill you, it might be the last mistake you ever made. As much as the brain thrives on finding the signal in the noise, the real world is a terrifyingly random place. Sometimes our brains try to make sense of a situation by finding a pattern, whether or not one really exists. This phenomenon is called illusory pattern perception, and research suggests it plays a huge role in conspiracy theory belief. A person seeing connections where there aren’t any doesn’t appear to be isolated to a particular topic. In one recent study, subjects record the results of a series of coin flips. Those who sensed a pattern in the random results were more likely to believe in at least one major conspiracy theory. Researchers also seemed to be able to prime people to illusory pattern perception. By asking subjects to read about conspiracy theories immediately prior to recording coin flips, the test subjects were more likely to see patterns in the random coin flips than the control group. So are conspiracy theorists just better at intuiting what’s really going on? According to them, yes. But, according to neuroscientists, almost certainly not. As it turns out, the real culprit may be the dopamine in their brains. People who have higher levels of naturally occurring dopamine have been found to be more susceptible to conspiracy theories. One experiment even showed that non-believer subjects were more likely to see patterns in random shapes after receiving a drug designed to artificially boost their brain’s free dopamine levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98U1nMFrJQ

Sure...but crazy things do indeed happen sometimes...

https://www.techspot.com/news/79940-how-youtube-employees-killed-internet-explorer-6.html
Mon 13 May 2019 9:01 PM by Sepplord
i don't think claiming that broadswords doesn't really like phoenix is ridiculous, it could be that they patch things artificially to make phoenix-life harder...but those things aren't a DDOS attack.
Afaik DDOS'ing isn't some kind of prank...it's a criminal activity. THAT's why i doubt broadsword having something to do with it.

The patch being targetted at phoenix though? Possible. Not certain, but not a looney claim neither


PS:
Horus wrote:
Mon 13 May 2019 7:17 PM
Sure...but crazy things do indeed happen sometimes...

https://www.techspot.com/news/79940-how-youtube-employees-killed-internet-explorer-6.html

That's hilarious, but also a foreshadowing about the power of huge websites
Tue 14 May 2019 12:43 AM by pollojack
Eh, Sony rootkited its own customers so some anti-piracy measure isn't far fetched.
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