This server is amazing but what happen to the game?

Log post sorry.

I played this game from 2002-2005ish and racked up about 10 million RP total so I do have some experience.

I think that the staff did an amazing job on this game and I couldn't think of anything they could do better hats off to them.

My concern is what happen to people, what happen to the game that makes it feel so much different then it was before. There used to be so much respect so much admiration to other people in the game it made it so fun. Now I cruise by a 8vs8 not interfering as a solo only to have someone pull off and chase me down. To watch a group dodge another group just to chase me halfway across the zone to kill me. To watch my own realm mates see me get jumped and be out number by 1 or 2 and run. However if the numbers are reversed they have no problems jumping in. I run solo on my hunter I only find groups of stealthers. I run solo on my skald to pick people off only to find people happy to stun and run as I get zerged down. This is honestly the only game I have ever played and loved but yet in my 16+ days on this played on this server I have yet to experience anything RvR wise like I remember. Don't get me wrong I know people are out there that respect the game but its more of 90/10 respect vs red is dead where that used to be the opposite. My question is at what point the this game change to no skill quest for RP's vs good competition?

All this said I will continue to play and love this server but its just different then what I remember from a player base.

Tue 30 Apr 2019 9:19 PM by Padatoo

Rhox wrote: ↑
Tue 30 Apr 2019 9:07 PM
what happen to people, what happen to the game

2019 happened.
Instant gratification and fear of being a loser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFN3CtcYs0Q

Tue 30 Apr 2019 9:20 PM by Yokahu

Players just don’t want their charges to drop, so they avoid death by either ganking or avoiding to help a realmmate when the adds are not in their favor.

You all know what is the fix here... remove charges hehe

Tue 30 Apr 2019 9:46 PM by Luluko

Yokahu wrote: ↑
Tue 30 Apr 2019 9:20 PM
Players just don’t want their charges to drop, so they avoid death by either ganking or avoiding to help a realmmate when the adds are not in their favor.

You all know what is the fix here... remove charges hehe

also the travel routes are very long, sometimes you are happy just reaching brefinne as a mid when you were able to dodge all the albs and hib grps farming there, when you have situations where you try to get to less traffic areas and die like 5 times otw to more numbers and lose all buffs/charges everytime. People will always try to get every easy rp they can and also will be super orportunistic when it comes to dying. Thats why I want this toa event for solos aswell (maybe exclude bds, necros and anis tho) just add buff npcs and we got some fast instant action or just take molvik from live and make that the zone for that or just a lvl 50 bg and let OF/Emain for the fgs and zergs for people which enjoy that. I rather login and do a few solo runs than begging for a grp in lfg where they have quite high expectations sometimes and then maybe run with a fg pug vs 3+ grps albs or vs guild grps.

Wed 1 May 2019 12:40 AM by kmark101

For me the biggest problem in such cases is that if I engage I lose realm speed... so I only engage when I can surely win. Solution: speed 3-4 potions (so speed classes are still superior and necessary).

Wed 1 May 2019 2:24 AM by bigne88

You know witch is the biggest issue that made players so bad attitude?
Frustration, witch is generated by a numbers of factors sutch as:
1. shit ton of stealthers; thanks to this disgusting rogue- frindly server's politics. There is a pletora of useless and nob players that spend all of their time ganking exping greys in FZ or solo players. So, 1/3 of player base is made by shitty wankers, the other 2/3 are pissed as fuck and as soon as they reach level 50 they are on bloodtirst and have no shame in ganking greys and adding any fight that is possible.

2. Mid has overall bad players, compared to other realms, so they tend to zerg. Other 2 realms get pissed of being zerged 24/7 and they start adding too for revenge's sake
3 did I mention useless stealthers? I'm sure that we all saw the albion stealth party me gates campers that zerg a single soloer and insta vanish if a second enemy appears.

Wed 1 May 2019 12:19 PM by Milksteak

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 2:24 AM
You know witch is the biggest issue that made players so bad attitude?
Frustration, witch is generated by a numbers of factors sutch as:
1. shit ton of stealthers; thanks to this disgusting rogue- frindly server's politics. There is a pletora of useless and nob players that spend all of their time ganking exping greys in FZ or solo players. So, 1/3 of player base is made by shitty wankers, the other 2/3 are pissed as fuck and as soon as they reach level 50 they are on bloodtirst and have no shame in ganking greys and adding any fight that is possible.

2. Mid has overall bad players, compared to other realms, so they tend to zerg. Other 2 realms get pissed of being zerged 24/7 and they start adding too for revenge's sake
3 did I mention useless stealthers? I'm sure that we all saw the albion stealth party me gates campers that zerg a single soloer and insta vanish if a second enemy appears.

Scout shitter/adder here. My 1v1 battles has got adding Everytime by 8m grps except ONE hib grp, they let us finish much respect. But for the other 99% 8 man's? Nope you get added by me every time. I love seeing druids/ healers panic when I sit away from the battle and unload rapid fire into them. You can actually tell when the healer starts to panic on voice comms and the grp turns around to find you. They must be so pissed I interrupted there leet battle. Like that hib grp that has multiple rr 10 guys. You get added 100% of the time I see you. They probably rolled over my solo fights a dozen times.

What goes around comes around. If you're grp is rp whores who can't pass up on solos then expect to get added .

Wed 1 May 2019 3:39 PM by Eyetunez

Milksteak wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 12:19 PM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 2:24 AM
You know witch is the biggest issue that made players so bad attitude?
Frustration, witch is generated by a numbers of factors sutch as:
1. shit ton of stealthers; thanks to this disgusting rogue- frindly server's politics. There is a pletora of useless and nob players that spend all of their time ganking exping greys in FZ or solo players. So, 1/3 of player base is made by shitty wankers, the other 2/3 are pissed as fuck and as soon as they reach level 50 they are on bloodtirst and have no shame in ganking greys and adding any fight that is possible.

2. Mid has overall bad players, compared to other realms, so they tend to zerg. Other 2 realms get pissed of being zerged 24/7 and they start adding too for revenge's sake
3 did I mention useless stealthers? I'm sure that we all saw the albion stealth party me gates campers that zerg a single soloer and insta vanish if a second enemy appears.

Scout shitter/adder here. My 1v1 battles has got adding Everytime by 8m grps except ONE hib grp, they let us finish much respect. But for the other 99% 8 man's? Nope you get added by me every time. I love seeing druids/ healers panic when I sit away from the battle and unload rapid fire into them. You can actually tell when the healer starts to panic on voice comms and the grp turns around to find you. They must be so pissed I interrupted there leet battle. Like that hib grp that has multiple rr 10 guys. You get added 100% of the time I see you. They probably rolled over my solo fights a dozen times.

What goes around comes around. If you're grp is rp whores who can't pass up on solos then expect to get added .

It's funny because we probably all feel the same way from our own points of view. As a visi, stealthers are basically scum of the earth, they add randomly onto every fight, and then vanish if it becomes an issue for them. If you walk outside your PK solo as a visi you can usually find 3-5 of these guys all grouped up, but they wont hit you unless solo. In my mind, they purge, vanish, and then afk for 15 minutes because they wouldn't possibly leave stealth without it. Probably not actually true, but that's how it feels. Totally understand that's only half of the stealther classes and archers don't get vanish, but think about how many trash assassins there are, that's the majority of what we see. 95% of the time I get shot by an archer it's because there are 1-3 assassins in line waiting for perf. There are probably a few respectable stealthers out there, but its impossible to differentiate between the sea of trash.

Then there are the zombie's. Just a constant wave of <50 28 day's later style (read: hastener speed) seeking realm task credit adding onto anything in sight just to get 1 hit in. The server rules BREED this, and I couldn't imagine it's any better from the alb/mid side because hibs wont group any melee classes so you have to level out in the frontiers 15 min at a time. These grey's or higher have such a high chance to land spells and interrupt its silly, it was never like this on live. Once these guys hit 35, they look like 50's until they get 1 or 2 shot. IMO we should remove the color filter until lvl 45 or not have it at all. The best level to be in the frontiers is 49, as its the only way to differentiate the zombies(yellow/below con) from the players (orange con). As bad as stealthers are, I think the zombie's are far worse.

Running around with 8 feels like you're constantly being added on every fight, sometimes stealthers, sometimes zombies, sometimes small man/8 mans, sometimes pugs, sometimes zergs,, and you just get sucked into this "F everyone, kill everything attitude"

Wed 1 May 2019 3:47 PM by Kwall0311

Add the Dun Lamfhota zone for solo only! That will sort out the good ones. Blows my mind they havent tried that in beta. It was a decent zone for the small man event they did.

Let the solos go battle it out somewhere. Everyone wins, and it doesnt hurt anyone.

Wed 1 May 2019 3:55 PM by Lollie

Don't see how a solo zone would work, you'd still get people grouping together (not actually in groups of course but on stick/follow)

Wed 1 May 2019 4:20 PM by kratoxin

back in 2001-2005 the rule of thumb was red is dead lol and respect of the realm/realm loyalty.

Wed 1 May 2019 4:33 PM by Kwall0311

Lollie wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 3:55 PM
Don't see how a solo zone would work, you'd still get people grouping together (not actually in groups of course but on stick/follow)

Likely. But if it was anything like the beta, those people put a kill on sight on themselves by doing that, and the solos would mob them. Yeah it was a much smaller community so it was easier to control. All in all, good idea or not, I think its atleast worth it to try for one of the pvp events in the future.

Wed 1 May 2019 4:34 PM by Ardri

Rhox wrote: ↑
Tue 30 Apr 2019 9:07 PM
All this said I will continue to play and love this server but its just different then what I remember from a player base.

The server is less than 5 months old, still extremely populated, and everyone is RP hungry due to many being low-ish RR. Once all that changes, and you build a rep as a solo'er, your fights will get respected a lot more. Right now though, there's just too many people playing and they're all RP hungry.

The game will eventually turn into an 8man/solo only zone. It always does.

Wed 1 May 2019 5:02 PM by bigne88

I'm a terrible player, tough I like to play "competitive" small men or 8v8; since I'm pretty bad player,and pugging, I don't have the ability, as the pro 8v8 parties can, to lure the enemy team in a hidden / add-free spot so I always get added by both alies and enemies.
Trust me, playing pug 8v8 as hib is awfull (I guess is the same as alb) thanks to the zerg fest the middies nobs does..

Wed 1 May 2019 5:08 PM by vxr

Lollie wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 3:55 PM
Don't see how a solo zone would work, you'd still get people grouping together (not actually in groups of course but on stick/follow)

BG type zone only accessible by porting. Random port locations. Can't port if grouped. Once you port in, grouping is disabled and PvP is set for everyone.

Wed 1 May 2019 5:55 PM by Rhox

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 4:20 PM
back in 2001-2005 the rule of thumb was red is dead lol and respect of the realm/realm loyalty.

You must have been on a shit server. 2001-2005 was watch fights. Let groups med before hitting them. Respect 1vs1. Don't kill soloers as a group unless provoked. Now did some people did not respect this but those where the outliers not the normal.

Wed 1 May 2019 7:02 PM by relvinian

This isn't that. Red is dead. I kill everything that moves without apology.

I also solo a lot. Somedays i get 20k an hour soloing and some days i get hammered into the ground.

If their are too many enemies and not enough realm mates, sometimes i get hammered into the ground and just log and try back later.

You play mid, i play alb, believe me, sometimes you wonder what the hell is worse, your enemies or your realm mates.

Thu 2 May 2019 5:41 AM by Sindralor

I like watching duels. But once people start sitting down in circles and start /bowing and wanking each other off, shit needs to stop.
Get me a flamethrower for those situations
I used to participate in those circlewanks on ywain, but now it feels too artificial and forced to me with a server pop this high

Sun 5 May 2019 2:12 PM by Bumbles

Free servers bring out shitty people. When you paid for your account you were also paying for a reputation. Free servers bring people who don’t care and just play to grief people.

Mon 6 May 2019 3:14 PM by Beazle

You can also just hop to another realm the next day, so its easy not care about anything. Its also pretty naive to think people would act the same 19 years later on a free game. Problem a lot of people that play mmorps have is they really like the first couple mmos they played but nothing new can ever match it because no game can be that game in your past.

Mon 6 May 2019 9:24 PM by Luluko

Bumbles wrote: ↑
Sun 5 May 2019 2:12 PM
Free servers bring out shitty people. When you paid for your account you were also paying for a reputation. Free servers bring people who don’t care and just play to grief people.

was the same on live the last 10years already so your paying argument is pretty weak

Mon 6 May 2019 11:54 PM by Bumbles

Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 6 May 2019 9:24 PM
Bumbles wrote: ↑
Sun 5 May 2019 2:12 PM
Free servers bring out shitty people. When you paid for your account you were also paying for a reputation. Free servers bring people who don’t care and just play to grief people.

was the same on live the last 10years already so your paying argument is pretty weak

Or think back to Live when this patch was active...Loss of population=people being RP hungry=assholes. Here it's just a bunch of lunatics grasping at RPs.

Tue 7 May 2019 12:30 PM by Sepplord

it's probably exacerbated by people who want to somehow compete but don't have the playtime. Due to the rapid progressions here the "GAP" doesn't become visible after a few months/a year though. We had RR7 people running around within weeks.
Everywhere i go i see bantiarnas and lion knights, while i just arrived at RR6.

It feels as if i really need to gather every RP i can to not become completely irrelevant.

And everywhere people are talking about how it goes so fast (it does compared to back then) but RR7 is still 1.755.000RPS. Even with an average RP of 15k-20k (which many (the most?) don't average at) that's a hundred of hours of RvR. That's not a small amount of time.

Wed 8 May 2019 8:17 AM by Clartiex

I love how Mid gets bashed constantly about zergs.. when hibs also run zergs, sometimes 80+, and then I almost always seen an alb zerg rolling. May not be a bg, but it's still like 3-5fgs running together.

Wed 8 May 2019 10:04 AM by Stoertebecker

Bumbles wrote: ↑
Sun 5 May 2019 2:12 PM
Free servers bring out shitty people. When you paid for your account you were also paying for a reputation. Free servers bring people who don’t care and just play to grief people.

Did you play on live within the last, lets say 2 years?
Have a look at the Ban-section of this forum. 30-40% of the names listed there are players that i know ( from their chars/discord etc names) from last year on Ywain.
And you`re talking about reputation and ppl are cheating/griefing mostly on freeshards?

We play on a well populated server, so the chance to meet an idiot is higher than on a low poulated server.