Cure Nearsight & Greater Heal for warden/shaman

with the abundance of nearsight classes being made don't we think it's fair to give warden & shaman cure nearsight? as you gave it to Friar??? now albion has 2 cure nearsight classes and hib/mid have 1.

Greater heal is also a great thing to have as well for Warden & Shaman to help improve our healing spec line. Friar is the king of off healer due to having both cure nearsight and greater heal now, and not to mention damage.

Discuss.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:38 PM by Algarakai

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 12:50 PM
with the abundance of nearsight classes being made don't we think it's fair to give warden & shaman cure nearsight? as you gave it to Friar??? now albion has 2 cure nearsight classes and hib/mid have 1.

They got two "cure nearsight" class AND two nearsight class (wizard+cabalist)

Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:53 PM by Lollie

Friar is far from being the king of the healers, clerics still bring more in group heals, spread heals, and both instas. The greater heal while good on paper is a mana whore, and I really only use mine in an emergency.

Also I don't know how useful cure ns/greater heals would be for shamans, admittedly I don't know much on how they spec but I assume most go aug/cave with a bit in heal line for cure poison/disease?
As for warden cure ns would come in handy but to be honest I have enough to be getting on with when playing mine with out another responsibility put on my shoulders. just my 2 cents.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:56 PM by kratoxin

Lollie wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:53 PM
Friar is far from being the king of the healers, clerics still bring more in group heals, spread heals, and both instas. The greater heal while good on paper is a mana whore, and I really only use mine in an emergency.

said king of off healer as in 2ndary healer, like sham,warden etc.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:58 PM by kratoxin

Algarakai wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:38 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 12:50 PM
with the abundance of nearsight classes being made don't we think it's fair to give warden & shaman cure nearsight? as you gave it to Friar??? now albion has 2 cure nearsight classes and hib/mid have 1.

They got two "cure nearsight" class AND two nearsight class (wizard+cabalist)

that is true! so why give friar cure nearsight when mid/hib only have 1 cure nearsight & nearsight class and keeping alb at 2 nearsighters and 2 cure nearsighters? right??

Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:59 PM by Lollie

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:56 PM
Lollie wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:53 PM
Friar is far from being the king of the healers, clerics still bring more in group heals, spread heals, and both instas. The greater heal while good on paper is a mana whore, and I really only use mine in an emergency.

said king of off healer as in 2ndary healer, like sham,warden etc.

Ah my bad, didn't read it right, serves me right for reading forums at work

Mon 29 Apr 2019 3:00 PM by Lollie

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:58 PM
Algarakai wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:38 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 12:50 PM
with the abundance of nearsight classes being made don't we think it's fair to give warden & shaman cure nearsight? as you gave it to Friar??? now albion has 2 cure nearsight classes and hib/mid have 1.

They got two "cure nearsight" class AND two nearsight class (wizard+cabalist)

that is true! so why give friar cure nearsight when mid/hib only have 1 cure nearsight & nearsight class and keeping alb at 2 nearsighters and 2 cure nearsighters? right??

I think the idea was so albs could run 1 friar, 1 cleric and still have 2 cure ns, same as hib/mid, ofc it failed in practice.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 3:34 PM by Sharky04

Don't give it to Shamans, as every mid group has a Shaman, barely a Hib group has a Warden. 3x times cure nearsight in a group would be too much. Additionally you would have to compensate the nearsight classes, as they don't have anything else to do besides nearsighting.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 3:37 PM by Sepplord

Sharky04 wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 3:34 PM
Don't give it to Shaman's, as every mid group has a Shaman, barely a Hib group has a Warden. Additionally you would have to compensate the nearsight classes, as they don't have anything else to do besides nearsighting.

funny, since my first thought was: no shaman would ever spec 40mend over aug to bring cureNS to the group....and i bet groups would prefer the aug-shaman over the mend-shaman. So, while you are right that shamans are in every group, i still think mend-shamans are found in less groups than friars in albion are.

Imo, give it toi shamans, or don't. Doesn't change anything at all

Mon 29 Apr 2019 3:44 PM by Ceen

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:58 PM
Algarakai wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:38 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 12:50 PM
with the abundance of nearsight classes being made don't we think it's fair to give warden & shaman cure nearsight? as you gave it to Friar??? now albion has 2 cure nearsight classes and hib/mid have 1.

They got two "cure nearsight" class AND two nearsight class (wizard+cabalist)

that is true! so why give friar cure nearsight when mid/hib only have 1 cure nearsight & nearsight class and keeping alb at 2 nearsighters and 2 cure nearsighters? right??

Typical forum warrior argumentation.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:11 PM by teiloh

So you want Hib and Mid groups to have 3 Cure NS, while Alb continues to have 2 if you're lucky.

Tell me more about how often you see Matter Cab/Earth Wiz in RvR as well.

I have a great idea too, since Savages have DPS buff and evade buff, why not give to Friars as well?!!

Why should Mid have 1 evade buff class while Alb has 0?!

Mon 29 Apr 2019 10:09 PM by Zzang

No.

I think it was a mistake to give Friars cure Nearsight and Greater heal, it did little to improve their current position as a secondary healer.

Tue 30 Apr 2019 10:46 AM by jhaerik

Sharky04 wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 3:34 PM
Don't give it to Shamans, as every mid group has a Shaman, barely a Hib group has a Warden. 3x times cure nearsight in a group would be too much. Additionally you would have to compensate the nearsight classes, as they don't have anything else to do besides nearsighting.

Trust me every mid groups would LOVE to exclude that shaman. BUT we can't. Our healer can't fucking spec buff. We'd kill for healers with spec buffs, and kick the shammy for a 4th DPS.

You want people to group friars and wardens? Remove their melee line and give them spec buffs, while removing it from druid/cleric. Then move the cleric melee damage buff to friar.

Fixed. Anything else and they won't get played in a group.

Note I'm not saying this should be done.... just that it's the only fix that would matter.

Tue 30 Apr 2019 10:56 AM by Lillebror

Zzang wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 10:09 PM
No.

I think it was a mistake to give Friars cure Nearsight and Greater heal, it did little to improve their current position as a secondary healer.

IF it did little we should improve them more not remove stuff

Tue 30 Apr 2019 11:03 AM by jhaerik

Lillebror wrote: ↑
Tue 30 Apr 2019 10:56 AM
Zzang wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 10:09 PM
No.

I think it was a mistake to give Friars cure Nearsight and Greater heal, it did little to improve their current position as a secondary healer.

IF it did little we should improve them more not remove stuff

Making them broken in small man doesn't get them into 8 mans.

If that was the case Pallys/Reavers/Necros/Champions/Thanes would rule the world.

The truth is it either need debuffable nuke damage, speed, tons of interupts, PBT, tons of cc, spread heals, disease, or stoicism to be 8 man worthy. The only real exception I see to this rule is the Valewalker.... and that's only because of how good it is at both the nuking and melee roles mixed with it's ability to bring Ichor. It also bring a version of disease to the table if you don't want to run an Eldritch. So really even it follows this rule.