To my thrusty mercs fellows

jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑

Sun 28 Apr 2019 7:29 AM

k3mra wrote: ↑

Sun 28 Apr 2019 6:31 AM

Thats true. But like i mentioned in my other post about dw dmg. The Cap for Swinging with your offhand for alb and hib is at 80% of the time and till now nobody could tell me when you reach this cap. Also nobody could tell me how much more dmg you will do for every point in dw.
I couldnt find a Formular for dw dmg. If its the same as for twohanded then it would be:
Twohandeddmg = onehandeddng * (110% + 0,5% * effectiv twohandedspec)
https://daocpedia.com/index.php?title=Nahkampfschaden

And like i said. I did mich better with the 44 thrust style as if i went for 50dw since i had more group utility

On Phoenix chance to swing offhand weapon = 25% + .86 * CD/DW spec. I'm not sure why you think/believe there is a 80% swing-cap (AFAIK there isn't) - but you reach 80% offhand-swings at 64 modified CD/DW spec.

As to how much damage that translates totally depends on the styles (and weapons) you use, as those change the ratio of MH-damage : OH-damage. A wild stab to get a ballpark-figure would be approx. 0.25% more damage every point you put into CD/DW for offhand-damage. I don't think mainhand-damage (when using CD/DW styles) is far off that number, so roughly 0.5%~ per CD/DW spec-point seems a reasonable assumption.

As for doing better with 44 Thrust, I assume the added group-utility is the snare. I'm uncertain about your group-setup, but if your job is to snare/peel as a mercenary then you have a really strange setup; an Arms would do that job much better. If it's just for pug / random groups you could also snare with Flank, it is faster to apply (first in chain) and does more damage than Tranquilize -> Wyvern. There is also Prevent Flight on Mercs.

Honestly, the only reason to deviate from 50 DW, 42 Shield, 52 comp. weapon is at high enough RR you can go split-spec - and I wouldn't recommend that over Slam so unless you're RR11+ that is not really a viable option for grouping.

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑

Sun 10 Mar 2019 4:46 PM

LA is / does 3 things, it's a normal style line if you use styles from it, here any amount of spec makes a difference. Then it's the base weapon spec for the offhand and as such affects the base damage up to enemy level + 2. And then comes the special LA mechanic / penalty that increases main and offhand base damage, for cd / dw this would be offhand swing chance, that's also uncapped.

The LA penalty / bonus does not affect style damage other than the change of the total damage due to the base damage change. LA is, next to PA/BS/BS2, one of the few mechanics to see that styles are not actually a flat multiplier to base damage but instead a fixed bonus on top of base damage based on spec and swing speed that's affected by the same things base damage is also affected by and hence for normal styles on normal characters it also works out as a multiplier.

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑

Wed 20 Mar 2019 12:50 PM

I did not call you an idiot, I just said it's pointless to discuss those mechanics with someone who rejects these 2 premises, which are at the very core of how LA and cd/dw were balanced:
1) The scaling of both, la and cd/dw, was .68 per spec point in OF and, ignoring haste effect (by for example using the same weapon speed in both hands), the unstyled damage was always the same. You argued that LA had an advantage over DW the entire time in daoc and thereby rejected this. The test that showed this to be the case is afaik also the test that figured out that it's .68 for both mechanics in the first place.
2) That an 80% offhand hit chance for 100% damage is different from an 100% offhand hit chance for 80% damage in the average case. They are exactly the same which is why / how, with the same scaling for LA and DW/CD and ignoring the haste effect, both mechanics do the same unstyled damage.