Why?
New Changes?
Started 27 Apr 2019
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Expfighter
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Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:13 PM
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kiectred
There are explanations written all over these forums and yet here you are asking. In short: they're forced changes from live the devs did not plan for and have no choice on.
Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:23 PM
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Expfighter
none of the changes i have seen needed a new client, new keeps, stupid NF garbage, broke crafting, pink icons, new magmell, etc...?
NONE of those needed to be changed!
NONE of those needed to be changed!
Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:37 PM
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qq6
the angerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... we are merely visitors, relax and enjoy the free experience
Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:37 PM
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lurker
I’ll quote this guy again because you seemed to have missed what he said...
kiectred wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:13 PMThere are explanations written all over these forums and yet here you are asking. In short: they're forced changes from live the devs did not plan for and have no choice on.
Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:41 PM
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Expfighter
lurker wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:37 PMI’ll quote this guy again because you seemed to have missed what he said...kiectred wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:13 PMThere are explanations written all over these forums and yet here you are asking. In short: they're forced changes from live the devs did not plan for and have no choice on.
explanations that don't pass the sniff test
what they are doing is preparing for that NF garbage, and NF was horrible bland cut and paste GARBAGE
Sat 27 Apr 2019 4:01 PM
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Ele
Crafting worked fine for me after I did what Schaf suggested in the announcements thread:
And maybe it is just me, but the words
And concerning the NF textures on Crim etc:
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Mainly because of the crafting issue we will still support client 1.124 until our external crafting program is ready, however, we will require the new zone files. The crafting file is data/ifd.mpk, copying that as well as the game.dll and mft.myp from the current phoenix installation over to the new installation (making a backup of the new game.dll and mft.myp) should allow you to keep crafting.
And maybe it is just me, but the words
suggests to me that it was not a voluntarily taken decision.we are forced to change to the most recent client and client files.
And concerning the NF textures on Crim etc:
In short: I think the Devs didn't have much of a choice, they had to update the client to 1.125. The only alternative would have been to host the 1.124 client by themselves, which nets several problems, put together nicely in another thread (ty Ceen):Sadly yes. It seems Mythic made new texture files for hib keeps and applied it to Crimthainn but then moved on to New Frontiers directly.
Who knows.
My advice: keep calm and apply the fixes Schaf suggested. And maybe stay away from Crim if it triggers the NF hateProbably because they don't want to host a 5 GB pirated file and it's more easy for a newbie to simply download the official version.
Forcing people to download an unknown file might drive some people away
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Sat 27 Apr 2019 6:40 PM
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Pops999
Expfighter wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:41 PMlurker wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:37 PMI’ll quote this guy again because you seemed to have missed what he said...kiectred wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:13 PMThere are explanations written all over these forums and yet here you are asking. In short: they're forced changes from live the devs did not plan for and have no choice on.
explanations that don't pass the sniff test
what they are doing is preparing for that NF garbage, and NF was horrible bland cut and paste GARBAGE
Game doesn't revolve around you little boy.
Sat 27 Apr 2019 6:53 PM
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relvinian
no, they said they have no plans for nf.
If they did, i could do nf.
If they did, i could do nf.
Sun 28 Apr 2019 1:38 AM
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Numatic
Expfighter wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:41 PMlurker wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:37 PMI’ll quote this guy again because you seemed to have missed what he said...kiectred wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2019 3:13 PMThere are explanations written all over these forums and yet here you are asking. In short: they're forced changes from live the devs did not plan for and have no choice on.
explanations that don't pass the sniff test
what they are doing is preparing for that NF garbage, and NF was horrible bland cut and paste GARBAGE
Disregarding your opinion about NF (that alot tend to disagree with), broadsword put out a patch that was blatantly obvious to cause distress on the Phoenix server. Basically if you updated to live after the patch (meaning if you were new to phoenix or were doing a clean install to fix an issue) it would cause a versioning issue. This issue would continue with whatever version of DAoC they used. To fix this, they had to update the client to the current live version which included alot of zone updates (such as magmell, dragons etc). Since frontiers are similar to a seperate entity in the game, they didnt have to change those to continue in OF. Although Crim was updated because in the current patch, crim was added in OF I believe before they decided to fully implement NF.
You can choose to believe them or not, but if all you do is go around naysaying everything the devs say, you're not going to find alot of comradery with your opinions on the devs actions. The boy who cried wolf syndrome if you will.
Sun 28 Apr 2019 4:34 PM
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Expfighter
Numatic wrote: ↑Sun 28 Apr 2019 1:38 AM
Disregarding your opinion about NF (that alot tend to disagree with), broadsword put out a patch that was blatantly obvious to cause distress on the Phoenix server. Basically if you updated to live after the patch (meaning if you were new to phoenix or were doing a clean install to fix an issue) it would cause a versioning issue. This issue would continue with whatever version of DAoC they used. To fix this, they had to update the client to the current live version which included alot of zone updates (such as magmell, dragons etc). Since frontiers are similar to a seperate entity in the game, they didnt have to change those to continue in OF. Although Crim was updated because in the current patch, crim was added in OF I believe before they decided to fully implement NF.
You can choose to believe them or not, but if all you do is go around naysaying everything the devs say, you're not going to find alot of comradery with your opinions on the devs actions. The boy who cried wolf syndrome if you will.
and the F*&^ing DOUCHE who has no clue IF YOU WILL!
The Phoenix team could have just patched the changed files thru the patcher like they did before, THAT is why this didn't pass the SNIFF test!
NF was horrible for these reasons,
1. The water battles were horrible and exploited more than SHROOMS ever were, Sprint and swim backwards and you are basically Invincible, MISS MISS MISS!
2. The bridge fights were death traps, Shrooms in the second floor structure of every bridge, and stealthers LOVED the ladders because they could exploit them to no end.
3. NF was flat and boring, you could not go from a to b without taking a 20 min detour around a 2 foot tall hill to get there.
4. the tower and keep siege was boring as hell!
5. the siege was WAAAAAAYYYY overpowered where you can be 1 shotted from catapults, or 1 shotted from OIL damage.
6. The arms/heros/warriors climbing into the keeps was horrible to say the least.
I've played DAoC since 2002 non stop, i KNOW what i am talking about, Just a month ago i let my live account LAPSE, because of Phoenix!!
This server has alot of nice stuff, but it it going the way of EA and Broadsword! And these latest changes just reinforces that fact.
Actually from the start i wondered if this was the FREE server Broadsword had wanted to start, met the time frame. then just 3 days ago i saw someone ask a question in lfg with the name CAROLBROADSWORD(which is one of the names she used on live) and i went WTF? i even messaged her and said "Really?" never received an answer and the toon vanished within seconds.
These are things that make be go HMMMMMMMMMMMM!
most of you don't like me i GET IT, i play solo and don't join guilds, GOT IT! But I KNOW what i am talking about, DAoC is a passion because i see what the game can be and love the hunting aspect of it, win or lose. no Other game has this kind of Hunting and gameplay even 18 years later.
THERE you got my explaination! just because EA updated the live version does NOT mean Phoenix had to change all these things.
Sun 28 Apr 2019 6:28 PM
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Kwall0311
^^^ This guy watches too many conspiracy theory documentaries... Im sure the devs get a good laugh at the ridiculous things people come up with 
Sun 28 Apr 2019 7:13 PM
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Ashok
More likeKwall0311 wrote: ↑Sun 28 Apr 2019 6:28 PMIm sure the devs get a good laugh at the ridiculous things people come up with
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Expfighter, your behaviour in that thread is pretty borderline; calm down dude.
A patch to live does not mean that Phoenix is changing. The content is the same still; you just got a few new textures and a couple of inevitable issues that are normal with a major change - which by the way have been fixed already.
And I'm sorry that you seem to missed pretty much everything what Phoenix is about despite your long stay - an enriched version of DAoC with it's core values from various patches since release.
Even if - I say if - we ever gonna implement the New Frontier maps, we may only add the maps and keeps without towers, without port or just Agramon or just towers etc. It's like a kit we can pick from - it's called custom, what Phoenix is entirely.
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