Make Bard aoe Amnesia 2s cast - Phoenix Freeshard

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Tue 23 Apr 2019 4:14 PM by bigne88

can you argument?

Tue 23 Apr 2019 4:21 PM by Lillebror

Why should one realm have access to instant speed break from «clip range» make it a 2s cast (still a great tool) that or put it on same range as the mezz

It gives ppl a chance to dodge fights. And get away.

Tue 23 Apr 2019 10:37 PM by bigne88

Ok, than give bards longer mezz range too. And a stun and a root.

Tue 23 Apr 2019 10:57 PM by Icykoz

You want static tempest twf as well? Just give bards a one shot skill dd end of story. Healers mezz range were never long to begin with.

Tue 23 Apr 2019 11:59 PM by Luluko

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Apr 2019 10:37 PM
Ok, than give bards longer mezz range too. And a stun and a root.

then give sorces studded and heals

Wed 24 Apr 2019 12:49 AM by Riac

amnesia speed break is absurd. get to speed break from clip range then casually decide if they want to fight or run... there is no escaping a bard if you are in a small man. they 100% run you down.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 4:24 AM by Numatic

I've been an advocate for fixing bard amnesia since the begining. Theres no reason for it to be instant. If its instant it should have a shorter range than other amnesia. At the very least it shouldn't break speed. It's funny because of how it is defended. Everytime its brought up its defended as a tool to use in 8v8 combat. Honestly that's fine imo. But that's not how it's used 90% of the time. It's used to chase down smaller numbers to farm solo, duos, and small mans. Why should 1 speed class be able to nullify the other 2? Theres no escape from it. Even SoS doesnt help when the other members are still at speed 6.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 6:24 AM by Zzang

I have also thought about this problem and had 3 different solutions, noone really likes bard insta amnesia speed break except greedy hibs who run after small mans with full groups.

1. Make it castable like all other lulls. (still a very valuable tool and would make bard have a greater impact in long range zerg vs zerg combat)

2. Make it shorter range (bolt range is still pretty far but not the ridiculous 2300 range that it is now)

3. Make it not break speed (use it for what it's intended to)

Any of these options will work fine

Wed 24 Apr 2019 6:50 AM by bigne88

Thanets make NS not breaking speed.
And hell, also DD dont have to break speed.

Than give bards the sorcerer's range and cast speed and maybe a pet like sorc or mincer and more muscles like skald.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 6:56 AM by Riac

simple solution, it doesnt break speed. that way its used like its been used for the past 2 decades, as a rupt.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 7:08 AM by Sepplord

If we ever want a change to speedbreaking-amnesia-cheese we need to stop proposing ridicolous "fixes" like making it a 2s casttime. That simply will (and should) not happen. It completely changes how the class could function infight and has HUGE balance consequences that can't be foreseen in a complex game like DAoC. I hate hibs amnesia...but it we can't completely break bards just because they also have this one annoying thing. Proposals like this are similar to the thread asking to completely remove animist. at least that one was (hopefully) not 100% serious

Making it not break speed (or even weaker variations: aka not BREAKING speed, but making a target unable to regain speed if it was already in combat when hit by amnesia if something like that is even possible to do easily) is the main issue and the only change with at least a chance to make it through.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 7:40 AM by Lillebror

Zzang wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 6:24 AM
I have also thought about this problem and had 3 different solutions, noone really likes bard insta amnesia speed break except greedy hibs who run after small mans with full groups.

1. Make it castable like all other lulls. (still a very valuable tool and would make bard have a greater impact in long range zerg vs zerg combat)

2. Make it shorter range (bolt range is still pretty far but not the ridiculous 2300 range that it is now)

3. Make it not break speed (use it for what it's intended to)

Any of these options will work fine

100% all three fixes is good, if i would vote it ; let them keep,it but dont break speed or keep ppl from stealthing.
Let it still be an amazing cast interrupt tool

Wed 24 Apr 2019 9:57 AM by moe_Jiller

Yeah and buff minstrels right?

Wed 24 Apr 2019 10:45 AM by Sharky04

I'm all for it. Make the bard CC more comparable to an aug healer. Make Amnesia castable, then give baseline root and stun to bards.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 10:50 AM by Sepplord

Sharky04 wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 10:45 AM
I'm all for it. Make the bard CC more comparable to an aug healer. Make Amnesia castable, then give baseline root and stun to bards.

i guess you mean PAC healer?

Wed 24 Apr 2019 4:00 PM by HtGeist

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 7:08 AM
If we ever want a change to speedbreaking-amnesia-cheese we need to stop proposing ridicolous "fixes" like making it a 2s casttime. That simply will (and should) not happen. It completely changes how the class could function infight and has HUGE balance consequences that can't be foreseen in a complex game like DAoC. I hate hibs amnesia...but it we can't completely break bards just because they also have this one annoying thing. Proposals like this are similar to the thread asking to completely remove animist. at least that one was (hopefully) not 100% serious

Making it not break speed (or even weaker variations: aka not BREAKING speed, but making a target unable to regain speed if it was already in combat when hit by amnesia if something like that is even possible to do easily) is the main issue and the only change with at least a chance to make it through.

The fookin class was implemented broken and out of whack with everything DAoC speed classes have reduced ranges on their abilites cos speed,and bard speed 6 class has 2300 instas are you compleetly bonkers defending that crap..and using retoric like it will affect the way DAoC plays..hib was last realm to be made and devs did a weed smoking marathon,launched unbalanced crap and came up with,yea but hibs underpopulated as a pisspoor excuse for having double dipped the classes in extra sauce. reason that cata and labby gave add healers to mid and alb,cos hib got launched with 4 classes owning heals..compared to 2 in the other..a realm of brainfart is what hib is. time to strip the shit or make it mid vs alb imo.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 5:19 PM by Sepplord

HtGeist wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 4:00 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 7:08 AM
If we ever want a change to speedbreaking-amnesia-cheese we need to stop proposing ridicolous "fixes" like making it a 2s casttime. That simply will (and should) not happen. It completely changes how the class could function infight and has HUGE balance consequences that can't be foreseen in a complex game like DAoC. I hate hibs amnesia...but it we can't completely break bards just because they also have this one annoying thing. Proposals like this are similar to the thread asking to completely remove animist. at least that one was (hopefully) not 100% serious

Making it not break speed (or even weaker variations: aka not BREAKING speed, but making a target unable to regain speed if it was already in combat when hit by amnesia if something like that is even possible to do easily) is the main issue and the only change with at least a chance to make it through.

The fookin class was implemented broken and out of whack with everything DAoC speed classes have reduced ranges on their abilites cos speed,and bard speed 6 class has 2300 instas are you compleetly bonkers defending that crap..and using retoric like it will affect the way DAoC plays..hib was last realm to be made and devs did a weed smoking marathon,launched unbalanced crap and came up with,yea but hibs underpopulated as a pisspoor excuse for having double dipped the classes in extra sauce. reason that cata and labby gave add healers to mid and alb,cos hib got launched with 4 classes owning heals..compared to 2 in the other..a realm of brainfart is what hib is. time to strip the shit or make it mid vs alb imo.

Try to fight that battle...i think it is hopeless and will never happen
So focussing on battles that can be won makes more sense than ranting like you do.

That's not defending, that's setting priorities

Wed 24 Apr 2019 7:43 PM by Numatic

Changing bard amnesia wont do anything to break the class. It's a single skill that is used in 8v8 as an interrupt. If you remove the speed breaking mechanic it does absolutely nothing in an 8v8 fight. All it does is takes away hibs ability to chase everyone down. It's simply not a fair and balanced part of the game. Having one realm that can and does nullify the other two speed classes from nearly clip range is extremely OP. If you want to keep the range and instant part of it, then speed breaking needs to be removed. Infact it should put the entire hib group into combat. That way it actually takes some thinking about timing and when to use it instead of spamming it relentlessly with no downside.

Wed 24 Apr 2019 11:43 PM by dbeattie71

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Apr 2019 10:37 PM
Ok, than give bards longer mezz range too. And a stun and a root.

And scale.

Wed 1 May 2019 7:15 PM by Nogrod

I agree that a non breaking speed amesia woulb be ok.

Because lets face the true, the main use of that spell is to hunt down solo/duo giving them no chance to escape or evade being zerged.

Not a day without people complaining about that and i have to agree with them.

Wed 1 May 2019 8:52 PM by Mauriac

Zzang wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 6:24 AM
I have also thought about this problem and had 3 different solutions, noone really likes bard insta amnesia speed break except greedy hibs who run after small mans with full groups.

1. Make it castable like all other lulls. (still a very valuable tool and would make bard have a greater impact in long range zerg vs zerg combat)

2. Make it shorter range (bolt range is still pretty far but not the ridiculous 2300 range that it is now)

3. Make it not break speed (use it for what it's intended to)

Any of these options will work fine

And make it not prevent me from restealthing

Thu 2 May 2019 6:52 AM by Lillebror

Mauriac wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 8:52 PM
Zzang wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Apr 2019 6:24 AM
I have also thought about this problem and had 3 different solutions, noone really likes bard insta amnesia speed break except greedy hibs who run after small mans with full groups.

1. Make it castable like all other lulls. (still a very valuable tool and would make bard have a greater impact in long range zerg vs zerg combat)

2. Make it shorter range (bolt range is still pretty far but not the ridiculous 2300 range that it is now)

3. Make it not break speed (use it for what it's intended to)

Any of these options will work fine

And make it not prevent me from restealthing

If the bard had to stop and do a 2s cast,he can get my rps. but as it is i dont even bother SoS vs hib grps to try get away.
rest of grp keeps up speed and bard can keep anyone into combat until they catch up or my sos goes out.