New Scout - Phoenix Freeshard

So, since I just donate rp's on my archers mostly anyhow. I figure atleast if I get someone to use purge I have accomplished something....therefore; I am making a scout.
Now I played on live and had some really good success with scout utilizing engage to reset immunity timers etc.
My question is, is it broken here? Or does it work quite well even vs sin's etc?
Do many fall for bash?

Second question is, better to start a necro to 50 then work on scout with buff pots etc? Since no PF/BC line for Pve?

Tue 16 Apr 2019 8:49 PM by cere2

Too many responses. Not feeling good about this realm thus far.

Tue 16 Apr 2019 11:11 PM by Komaf

cere2 wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Apr 2019 5:02 PM
So, since I just donate rp's on my archers mostly anyhow. I figure atleast if I get someone to use purge I have accomplished something....therefore; I am making a scout.
Now I played on live and had some really good success with scout utilizing engage to reset immunity timers etc.
My question is, is it broken here? Or does it work quite well even vs sin's etc?
Do many fall for bash?

Second question is, better to start a necro to 50 then work on scout with buff pots etc? Since no PF/BC line for Pve?

Online gaming communities don't tend to go past the smoke a bowl level of thinking these days. Sounds harsh but it's arguably true. Not going to see a lot of answers unless the topic is controversial enough to stir sleeping bears into thought.

Engage is not like live was. I could re-engage a target after contact, no matter how much dps had been done. This meant that my celt shield hero, for example, could be a force to be reckoned with due to balancing out blunt reactionaries and popping engage over and over again to get block reactionaries as well.

That strategy does not exist here. As far as purging a bash - that's absolutely doable. People will fall for that. I've seen an RR8 merc dueling a certain badass berserker who forgot to land dirty tricks after forcing the zerk to purge his stun. WE are all human, after all, and a lot of realm rank comes from (a) ton of free time (b) having enough personality to get into consisten rvr groups (c) riding the dps train. So, anything's possible.

Tue 16 Apr 2019 11:14 PM by k3mra

I have no idea how good Scout is here but There are enough archer posts where you can get a Feeling that they not going well.

But in game i still see many of them fireing from the hills down on the dmg.

For leveling you dont realy need buff pots. Its very easy by just farming leveling items and task the last bit of every level.
On the other side its always good to have a necro pro Cabba to get some money

Wed 17 Apr 2019 12:14 AM by phixion

Honestly, don't bother.

You seem to have so many complaints about archers as it is, I wouldn't roll one because you are in for exactly the same thing you get on your Ranger.

As a SB, Scouts just die as long as Purge is up... and that's 99% of the time.

Wed 17 Apr 2019 1:33 AM by cutbacks

As with vanish...Vanish made infs/sb/ns...to easy to play.. Used to need skill, pick the proper fights

Wed 17 Apr 2019 5:25 AM by qq6

Forum surfing time, @cere2, u have 2 rangers, you dont play either of them, and u want to make a scout..... why, just go out and rvr already, dont like stealthers, play visi, u have that aswell... if its just about alts, then why not, just pve. You could just make stealth grps on hib u know... like some ppl do. I am starting to think you dont want to actually play daoc for what it is, and just want to jump from one thing to another.

Wed 17 Apr 2019 3:02 PM by cere2

qq6 wrote: ↑
Wed 17 Apr 2019 5:25 AM
Forum surfing time, @cere2, u have 2 rangers, you dont play either of them, and u want to make a scout..... why, just go out and rvr already, dont like stealthers, play visi, u have that aswell... if its just about alts, then why not, just pve. You could just make stealth grps on hib u know... like some ppl do. I am starting to think you dont want to actually play daoc for what it is, and just want to jump from one thing to another.

Lolli,
I'm happy you find it fun in the current stealth atmosphere. Yes, I have 2 rangers because I wanted to see how melee spec does with blades. It's certainly the best chance I have had vs assassin's so far, but still lackluster imo. Yeah I can keep going and get IP3/purge3/aug str and do well. But I didn't feel like a ranger so I bagged it for the time.
I know this also might sound nuts to someone on this server, but I played all 3 realms on live, and enjoyed the different aspects of archers on each realm.
So yeah I play different servers, if you have "realm pride" well...grats man, happy you like just one realm.

Honestly though you might be right. I might not want to play Daoc for what it is, at least what is has become on this server. My only hope is that they fix the detection range. I already notice I am finding other things to keep me busy, so perhaps soon you won't need to hear me bitch about stealth detection for much longer.

If they don't do anything about it, so be it. I hear soon live will be going f2p, so maybe we will get some more population back there and I can say my final adieu to this place. I play daoc for archer class, always have. And to me archer is crap-tastic on this server at the moment.

Wed 17 Apr 2019 3:15 PM by qq6

I hope you do find what you're looking for, dont forget to have fun, no reason to play something you dont enjoy.

Wed 17 Apr 2019 3:43 PM by phixion

I've played archers a lot during my time in DAoC and to me, archers are just as good/bad as they were in classic DAoC.

Rangers are still the strongest IMO, they can compete in melee with assassins at higher RR.

You are not going to get on with Scout if you think that has a better chance than a Ranger, they are utterly gimp in melee no matter how many points you spend in it.

Wed 17 Apr 2019 3:54 PM by cere2

phixion wrote: ↑
Wed 17 Apr 2019 3:43 PM
I've played archers a lot during my time in DAoC and to me, archers are just as good/bad as they were in classic DAoC.

Rangers are still the strongest IMO, they can compete in melee with assassins at higher RR.

You are not going to get on with Scout if you think that has a better chance than a Ranger, they are utterly gimp in melee no matter how many points you spend in it.

Wasn't really expecting to do any better on scout than on my luri ranger.
But not every sin has purge up all the time, and vs my luri...4 sec stun...why even purge it...
But 9 sec slam. Either you purge or I have a decent shot of finishing you with bow. That is the difference I see.

Archers are not near as good as they were on classic. Obviously you don't remember PD? True sight? Dodger? Not to mention detection range was still in favor of assassins with detect hidden but ranger had much more than 125 range, so I almost never took a PA unless it was from adds. And I can side stun 95% of the pop here in 2 secs. With that and purge on 30 min RUT, I always was a threat to assassin's. There are so many differences here compared to classic I could fill pages upon pages like some others have already done. So to just wrap it up, sorry man archers are crap compared to classic at this time.

Wed 17 Apr 2019 7:24 PM by Barroom

I disagree about Scouts being terrible in melee. I think People are trying to build snipe specs and thinking they are going two two shot people like live. No. No. No. The damage from bow does not seem to be on par with how live was (imo) annnnd people are a lot smarter, know to immediately /face when getting hit. The days of sniping someone and watch them run around like a chicken are over.

I absolutely hate my ranger here. I think it was my least favorite 50 I have (out of the 10 I do have). I think it would probably get better at higher RR, but meh. I think it was one of the classes I rolled early on when I started and I cranked up Dex, thinking, ehhh I'll make a BG snipe class. It was great when BGs were active. After leveling and temping BM/Druid/Animist then BD, Healer, Zerk, moved to Alb and started a scout from 1 and leveled it completely solo.

I picked Saracen and went +15 Dex +10 qui (I may change this if I ever get the chance).

It's been rough, it's not a great class. I knew what I was getting into when I started it and set expectations low, so when I do win those 1v1s verse assassins, you feel pretty good.

I messaged any scout over rr5 and asked questions. Most never replied, some replied with some really great feed back. Bax especially. Most nights I'll run with a friend I've been gaming with for a long time on his infil (and mostly because our Visible group/guild got burned out and left). We had a 5v2 stealth battle last night where I never fired a shot and we managed to take down two before we died.

My current spec is as follows:
39 Bow
34 Stealth
39 Pierce
42 Sheild

the thing that you have to understand right off the bat as an archer here, you spend about 30% of the time shooting your bow and 70% meleeing. That tells me right there what you need to focus on. Melee.

People think slam when they think of scout. How about Mastery of Blocking and Aug Dex? Guard for when you duo or small man? Ignore Pain?

I hit Realm Rank 5 last night and honestly, as terrible as alb as a player base and community is, this is probably my second favorite class I have played here. at RR4+ I was going about 50/50 (maybe 40/60) verse assassins 1v1. I also got absolutely shit on by an RR4 SB last night after blowing Purge, IP3, Heal Barrel, Heart of Legion Heal. He then proceeded to kill an info that tried to jump in and was killed only by a small man that showed up. On the flip side of that, I've beaten rr5+ NS/SB many times. Skill, RNG, Items have a lot to do with it.

One of my biggest gripes is about Penetrating Arrow. It's about as useful as two tits on a bull. Yet, assasins break any bubble, get dots,poison,disease, snare AND CAN DISENGAGE AND HIDE on a 15 minute timer. Don't ever shoot a caster with half a brain and a pet.

The great thing about this class? It's win win. If you kill someone LOLOL U GOT KILLED BY A SCOUT. If you lose LOL Scout. I'm exited to see how this class pans out at like RR6+. MOB5, Audex II, IP3, Purge 2, LW, Tireless Currently.

I could be doing this completely back asswards, but that's the beauty of it and I'm having fun, so who cares.

Thu 18 Apr 2019 9:51 AM by mhenfhis

Scouts doesnt suck, althought they are 1 trick ponny with the 42 spec. As soon as assasin has heal pot and legion up, doesnt matter if he has purge o not, unless you jump 1º will win the fight.

The above poster states that is 50% with assasins.. i dont think thats real... i think is about 20/80.

At low rr ranger > Scout , maybe at higher with some mob etc... will be nice, but atm the DPS dealt in melee by the ranger is much higher than the scout.

Thu 18 Apr 2019 10:30 AM by Khogor

My Scout is Close to r5 got purge ip and moblock so Just defense. You can stand against Assasins Up top youre RR ..Higher ..purge Up....No Chance youre Ras only make YouTube die slower 😂

And AS already Said you wont kill a sin within youre stun and Most enemys will Turn around and be oor before even Close so death .

Anyone tryed 44 weapon 50 schield yet 😂
Gimme respeccs ill try

Thu 18 Apr 2019 11:30 AM by inoeth

Khogor wrote: ↑
Thu 18 Apr 2019 10:30 AM
My Scout is Close to r5 got purge ip and moblock so Just defense. You can stand against Assasins Up top youre RR ..Higher ..purge Up....No Chance youre Ras only make YouTube die slower 😂

And AS already Said you wont kill a sin within youre stun and Most enemys will Turn around and be oor before even Close so death .

Anyone tryed 44 weapon 50 schield yet 😂
Gimme respeccs ill try

i did in beta (44thrust 42 shield 27 bow) and used the 27 snare from the 44 thrust style... was really funny to steal their purge and still kill assassins

Thu 18 Apr 2019 3:15 PM by Barroom

mhenfhis wrote: ↑
Thu 18 Apr 2019 9:51 AM
Scouts doesnt suck, althought they are 1 trick ponny with the 42 spec. As soon as assasin has heal pot and legion up, doesnt matter if he has purge o not, unless you jump 1º will win the fight.

The above poster states that is 50% with assasins.. i dont think thats real... i think is about 20/80.

At low rr ranger > Scout , maybe at higher with some mob etc... will be nice, but atm the DPS dealt in melee by the ranger is much higher than the scout.

I did change that to 40/60. There are some pretty terrible NS/SBs. I'm sure I'm inflating the number a bit to make myself feel better

I'll start keeping track. All of my RAs need to be up in order to even hit 40/60 and my Str/Con D/q items need to be up as well. I'm going to test Str/Con debuff as well. It seemed to help on my ranger quite a bit.

I have a 30% block chance at the moment, I'll have to look at evade chance.

Thu 18 Apr 2019 5:15 PM by Khogor

How ist the blockchance calculaded ?
Skillpoint= 0,5% ? + Moblock? How ist dex affecting it?

Since Bow Dam doesnt seem to skale with more skill points , the 44 weapon version only looses rapidfire.

Thu 2 May 2019 4:40 PM by BisbyHoughton

Barroom wrote: ↑
Wed 17 Apr 2019 7:24 PM
I disagree about Scouts being terrible in melee. I think People are trying to build snipe specs and thinking they are going two two shot people like live. No. No. No. The damage from bow does not seem to be on par with how live was (imo) annnnd people are a lot smarter, know to immediately /face when getting hit. The days of sniping someone and watch them run around like a chicken are over.

I absolutely hate my ranger here. I think it was my least favorite 50 I have (out of the 10 I do have). I think it would probably get better at higher RR, but meh. I think it was one of the classes I rolled early on when I started and I cranked up Dex, thinking, ehhh I'll make a BG snipe class. It was great when BGs were active. After leveling and temping BM/Druid/Animist then BD, Healer, Zerk, moved to Alb and started a scout from 1 and leveled it completely solo.

I picked Saracen and went +15 Dex +10 qui (I may change this if I ever get the chance).

It's been rough, it's not a great class. I knew what I was getting into when I started it and set expectations low, so when I do win those 1v1s verse assassins, you feel pretty good.

I messaged any scout over rr5 and asked questions. Most never replied, some replied with some really great feed back. Bax especially. Most nights I'll run with a friend I've been gaming with for a long time on his infil (and mostly because our Visible group/guild got burned out and left). We had a 5v2 stealth battle last night where I never fired a shot and we managed to take down two before we died.

My current spec is as follows:
39 Bow
34 Stealth
39 Pierce
42 Sheild

the thing that you have to understand right off the bat as an archer here, you spend about 30% of the time shooting your bow and 70% meleeing. That tells me right there what you need to focus on. Melee.

People think slam when they think of scout. How about Mastery of Blocking and Aug Dex? Guard for when you duo or small man? Ignore Pain?

I hit Realm Rank 5 last night and honestly, as terrible as alb as a player base and community is, this is probably my second favorite class I have played here. at RR4+ I was going about 50/50 (maybe 40/60) verse assassins 1v1. I also got absolutely shit on by an RR4 SB last night after blowing Purge, IP3, Heal Barrel, Heart of Legion Heal. He then proceeded to kill an info that tried to jump in and was killed only by a small man that showed up. On the flip side of that, I've beaten rr5+ NS/SB many times. Skill, RNG, Items have a lot to do with it.

One of my biggest gripes is about Penetrating Arrow. It's about as useful as two tits on a bull. Yet, assasins break any bubble, get dots,poison,disease, snare AND CAN DISENGAGE AND HIDE on a 15 minute timer. Don't ever shoot a caster with half a brain and a pet.

The great thing about this class? It's win win. If you kill someone LOLOL U GOT KILLED BY A SCOUT. If you lose LOL Scout. I'm exited to see how this class pans out at like RR6+. MOB5, Audex II, IP3, Purge 2, LW, Tireless Currently.

I could be doing this completely back asswards, but that's the beauty of it and I'm having fun, so who cares.

Kinda wanna roll one now thanks a lot lol

Sun 5 May 2019 3:07 PM by Barroom

Khogor wrote: ↑
Thu 18 Apr 2019 5:15 PM
How ist the blockchance calculaded ?
Skillpoint= 0,5% ? + Moblock? How ist dex affecting it?

Since Bow Dam doesnt seem to skale with more skill points , the 44 weapon version only looses rapidfire.

I am not sure. I have asked around and haven't gotten an answer. I was wondering if it is "live like" or custom to this server. If anyone knows, please post

!

Tue 7 May 2019 7:44 AM by Cadebrennus

Barroom wrote: ↑
Sun 5 May 2019 3:07 PM
Khogor wrote: ↑
Thu 18 Apr 2019 5:15 PM
How ist the blockchance calculaded ?
Skillpoint= 0,5% ? + Moblock? How ist dex affecting it?

Since Bow Dam doesnt seem to skale with more skill points , the 44 weapon version only looses rapidfire.

I am not sure. I have asked around and haven't gotten an answer. I was wondering if it is "live like" or custom to this server. If anyone knows, please post !

Most everything is custom here and in some cases very specifically to be very anti-Archer. Happy hunting!

Tue 7 May 2019 10:19 AM by chois

44 weapon 42 shield 35 bow 32 stealth is pretty good after rr8😁

Tue 7 May 2019 2:32 PM by Horus

Not sure what races are avail for scouts here but pick the one with the highest starting con/str and go 50 slash, 45 shield, 35 stealth, 15 bow and destroy SBs all day long.