Decrease Slam duration on hybrids to 5s

EDITED:
ALERT, MISSINFORMATION ABOUT DF NERF TO 6s.Since
It would be a nice add up to decrease the slam Duration on every class besides hero/arms/warrior to 5s.
This Change on live just brought hybrid "slambots" in a different state than fulltank slambots.

Any cons on it? /discuss

Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:31 AM by Sector7G

I think 7 seconds would be sufficient.

Or 6 seconds and increase lvl 23 back stun to 7 seconds, and keeping lvl 35 side 8 seconds

Afterall, the positional styles should yield the longer styles. (For hybrids)

Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:08 PM by Mauriac

Muse wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:21 AM
Since DEV's nerfed the Dragonfang on albion from 9s to 6s? it would be a nice add up to decrease the slam Duration on every class besides hero/arms/warrior to 5s.
This Change on live just brought hybrid "slambots" in a different state than fulltank slambots.

Any cons on it? /discuss

When did dragonfang get nerfed? It's not in the patch notes. It's a 50 spec style why would it get netfed? If it was 6 seconds who would bother speccing for it and not just go for beartooth which is already 6 seconds?

Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:39 PM by Muse

Mauriac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:08 PM
Muse wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:21 AM
Since DEV's nerfed the Dragonfang on albion from 9s to 6s? it would be a nice add up to decrease the slam Duration on every class besides hero/arms/warrior to 5s.
This Change on live just brought hybrid "slambots" in a different state than fulltank slambots.

Any cons on it? /discuss

When did dragonfang get nerfed? It's not in the patch notes. It's a 50 spec style why would it get netfed? If it was 6 seconds who would bother speccing for it and not just go for beartooth which is already 6 seconds?

Its duration is 9 second. They nerfed it to 6 to be par to other after evade stuns

Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:31 PM by Mauriac

Muse wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:39 PM
Mauriac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:08 PM
Muse wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:21 AM
Since DEV's nerfed the Dragonfang on albion from 9s to 6s? it would be a nice add up to decrease the slam Duration on every class besides hero/arms/warrior to 5s.
This Change on live just brought hybrid "slambots" in a different state than fulltank slambots.

Any cons on it? /discuss

When did dragonfang get nerfed? It's not in the patch notes. It's a 50 spec style why would it get netfed? If it was 6 seconds who would bother speccing for it and not just go for beartooth which is already 6 seconds?

Its duration is 9 second. They nerfed it to 6 to be par to other after evade stuns

Yeah but when? And why? That's retarded. It costs a bajillion spec points to get. Slam is still 9 seconds so wtf

Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:37 PM by

gruenesschaf

What are you talking about? DF is still 9 seconds.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 3:39 PM by Mauriac

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:37 PM
What are you talking about? DF is still 9 seconds.

Thank you for clarifying this.

OP - bad you, bad

Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:29 PM by BaldEagle

I tried all beta to get hybrids slam reduced to 6s. At this point I doubt it happens.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:39 PM by Quik

So is the OP just spreading false info trying to get classes nerfed?

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:25 PM by The Skies Asunder

Reducing slam for hybrids would be a good change IMO. 9 second stuns are crazy long, and being able to do it anytime is out of control. Midgard loses out the most though, as only Warrior would have 9s slam, since Zerker doesn't get shield spec like Merc and BM do. Unless those classes were nerfed also. DF being 9 seconds is another matter, as it is a reactionary, and higher spec value.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:27 PM by Amp_Phetamine

The Skies Asunder wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:25 PM
Reducing slam for hybrids would be a good change IMO. 9 second stuns are crazy long, and being able to do it anytime is out of control. Midgard loses out the most though, as only Warrior would have 9s slam, since Zerker doesn't get shield spec like Merc and BM do. Unless those classes were nerfed also. DF being 9 seconds is another matter, as it is a reactionary, and higher spec value.

Even THINK about nerfing the Mercenary worse than it already is and it's go time baby.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:43 PM by The Skies Asunder

Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:27 PM
The Skies Asunder wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:25 PM
Reducing slam for hybrids would be a good change IMO. 9 second stuns are crazy long, and being able to do it anytime is out of control. Midgard loses out the most though, as only Warrior would have 9s slam, since Zerker doesn't get shield spec like Merc and BM do. Unless those classes were nerfed also. DF being 9 seconds is another matter, as it is a reactionary, and higher spec value.

Even THINK about nerfing the Mercenary worse than it already is and it's go time baby.

Haha, I wouldn't nerf BM, or Merc... but that clearly wouldn't be my decision to make.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:57 PM by chryso

Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:27 PM
The Skies Asunder wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:25 PM
Reducing slam for hybrids would be a good change IMO. 9 second stuns are crazy long, and being able to do it anytime is out of control. Midgard loses out the most though, as only Warrior would have 9s slam, since Zerker doesn't get shield spec like Merc and BM do. Unless those classes were nerfed also. DF being 9 seconds is another matter, as it is a reactionary, and higher spec value.

Even THINK about nerfing the Mercenary worse than it already is and it's go time baby.

I am currently leveling up a merc and I like him. In what way are they nerfed?

Sat 13 Apr 2019 5:59 AM by Muse

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:37 PM
What are you talking about? DF is still 9 seconds.

oh than i got a missinfo here, someone told me that the DF got reduced to 6s to get par to other evade stuns, that was a missinfo then. So i spread lies ok. Fuck it, still would be up to get slam reduced on hybrids

Sat 13 Apr 2019 6:07 AM by Muse

Quik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:39 PM
So is the OP just spreading false info trying to get classes nerfed?

Im playin a hybrid on my own, i would be glad if they nerf slam to 5s, brings way more possibilities with lesser stun immunity, everyone is just fucking givin around free slam immunities. 5s slam reduction is a pro in my eyes for some sort of tactical gameplay. But well i think most will disagree with that because they are just slamming whatever they find without thinking if its a "good" slam or a wasted one

Sat 13 Apr 2019 8:51 AM by k3mra

If slam gets reduced to 5 sec only would change the Merc spec back to crush and high parry and every pala and thane would start crying.

Currently you have the possibility to get pala or thane be your peeler.. pala is already weaker in a caster group because of the far better defensiv ras a Arms get.

And caster thane would get hit very hard by that nerf since they wouldnt be able to get of so much casts...

9 sec slam is a reason why you dont blow your purge for the first cc you get hit by but wait for the best Moment where it will have the most value

Mon 15 Apr 2019 8:36 AM by jhaerik

The Skies Asunder wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:43 PM
Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:27 PM
The Skies Asunder wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:25 PM
Reducing slam for hybrids would be a good change IMO. 9 second stuns are crazy long, and being able to do it anytime is out of control. Midgard loses out the most though, as only Warrior would have 9s slam, since Zerker doesn't get shield spec like Merc and BM do. Unless those classes were nerfed also. DF being 9 seconds is another matter, as it is a reactionary, and higher spec value.

Even THINK about nerfing the Mercenary worse than it already is and it's go time baby.

Haha, I wouldn't nerf BM, or Merc... but that clearly wouldn't be my decision to make.

Why not? Both outclass zerker.

Mon 15 Apr 2019 5:53 PM by Dariussdars

if you want to nerf slam on hybrids to 6 seconds, lower the requirement for slam down to 30 shield or so for hybrids only. Why should a Thane have to use just as many spec points as a warrior or other heavy tank, but get a shorter duration stun? You want a shorter stun, let us use far less spec points for it.

Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:05 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Mon 15 Apr 2019 5:53 PM
if you want to nerf slam on hybrids to 6 seconds, lower the requirement for slam down to 30 shield or so for hybrids only. Why should a Thane have to use just as many spec points as a warrior or other heavy tank, but get a shorter duration stun? You want a shorter stun, let us use far less spec points for it.

Well, to be fair and what Live DAoC did, is that heavy tanks don't have the comparable utility that hybrids have. They are... tanks. That is why they alone were left with access to 9s shield slam, it's a staple feature of the heavy tank and makes them more viable in group compositions. I personally do not agree with hybrids, light tanks and scouts having access to 9s slam. These classes have far more utility then heavy tanks.

I'm perfectly fine with slam being reduced to 5s on non heavy tank classes.

Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:27 PM by HtGeist

I would be fine with reduction on hybrids aswell atm..tanks dont stand out...no memories of old scars of war etc to make em tough. hybrids mercs and bm's have stoic and det too..what they have less in armor they compensate with evade and much burst dps plus snare procs...just nostalgia playing the true tanks here. or in mids case only option.

Mon 15 Apr 2019 9:51 PM by speedr

HtGeist wrote: ↑
Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:27 PM
I would be fine with reduction on hybrids aswell atm..tanks dont stand out...no memories of old scars of war etc to make em tough. hybrids mercs and bm's have stoic and det too..what they have less in armor they compensate with evade and much burst dps plus snare procs...just nostalgia playing the true tanks here. or in mids case only option.

Hybrids do not have stoicism.

Tue 16 Apr 2019 5:05 AM by HtGeist

speedr wrote: ↑
Mon 15 Apr 2019 9:51 PM
HtGeist wrote: ↑
Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:27 PM
I would be fine with reduction on hybrids aswell atm..tanks dont stand out...no memories of old scars of war etc to make em tough. hybrids mercs and bm's have stoic and det too..what they have less in armor they compensate with evade and much burst dps plus snare procs...just nostalgia playing the true tanks here. or in mids case only option.

Hybrids do not have stoicism.

Merc shield spec called hybrid merc.has stoic to stack with determination..bm with shield has stoic to stack with determination...both outperform true tank in fun,dps and peel role.

Tue 16 Apr 2019 6:47 AM by k3mra

Full Tanks still have the far better defensive RAs
Soldiers Barricade and Dashing Defence is nothing to laugh about... especialy in a caster group with 1 Spieler.
Thane and Champ still have ST to bring in some utility but Merc, Pala and BM bringst no RAs in term of defence.

Its true that a 9 sec melee stun is a freaking long time but the immunity timer should make you think if you realy want to stun your target or if its played better at a later point in battle and a Snare could be enough to peel your target off your clothies.