The insta debuff shouldn't interupt. Period. The 4s insta life tap makes it impossible to counterplay as a bard. I can't do my job on a bard because of 1 bd. Insta debuff, insta life tap, and bone commander pet that cannot be mezzed for 15s. Its time already. They have had their fun being broken and overpowered. This was fixed ages ago on live because it is completely broken. The lifetap being 8s was fair. The insta debuff shouldn't interupt. fix it please.
Its time for bonedancers to have the 4s insta dd/interupt and insta debuff nerfed
Started 10 Apr 2019
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Wed 10 Apr 2019 3:18 AM
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dansari
Lul wut. BD is the counter to Bard cc in particular. I get beaten in the mez game by Bards all the time on my healer due to hibnesia. I have to burn one of my 10min instas if I don't want to lose this battle, whereas Bards can just rupt every 5-10 seconds without a care. So, you basically want to have one of your counters removed because they do the same things you do? Bold strategy, Cotton.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 6:01 AM
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Zzang
Arguing that BD needs to stay broken because they can counter a bard which usually wins CC vs you is not very nice.
As a mid group you don't even need to win mezz in the start, you only need the 2nd healer to unstick and demezz from the back and voila, instant mezz immunity!
Bonedancers are such a strong class even with 8sec on lifetap and no interrupt on debuff, I would love to see this change. As a cleric who runs mostly small mans I can just say that meeting a BD who has more braincells than a slug (yes, there is a few) is like meeting two players of any other class.
As a mid group you don't even need to win mezz in the start, you only need the 2nd healer to unstick and demezz from the back and voila, instant mezz immunity!
Bonedancers are such a strong class even with 8sec on lifetap and no interrupt on debuff, I would love to see this change. As a cleric who runs mostly small mans I can just say that meeting a BD who has more braincells than a slug (yes, there is a few) is like meeting two players of any other class.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 7:10 AM
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k3mra
If its realy the case that the debuff ruppts your casts im on your side.
Debuffs shouldnt ruppt.
For the life tap its a tough one. I think 4s are kind of fast but if it gets nerfed bds can get to weak very fast.
And thats also a reason why you should have a peeler in your setup.
For the pet its a common strategy to fokus down the commander at the beginning of a fight. That give the bd a hard time to resummon all his pets and in most fights he shouldnt be possible to do so.
Debuffs shouldnt ruppt.
For the life tap its a tough one. I think 4s are kind of fast but if it gets nerfed bds can get to weak very fast.
And thats also a reason why you should have a peeler in your setup.
For the pet its a common strategy to fokus down the commander at the beginning of a fight. That give the bd a hard time to resummon all his pets and in most fights he shouldnt be possible to do so.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 7:55 AM
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Kampfar
How can instant amnesia be rupted?
Wed 10 Apr 2019 10:04 AM
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jelzinga_EU
While I understand it is frustrating to play against a BD who can keep everyone interrupted by cycling through insta-LT and insta-debuff on multiple enemies it is potentially opening up a can of worms. The moment you remove those abilities from interrupting on BD's there are more classes lining up for changes.
Ironically bard would probably be one of those classes where a lot of people have complaints about, how it is a hard-counter to {fill in your class}
Ironically bard would probably be one of those classes where a lot of people have complaints about, how it is a hard-counter to {fill in your class}
Wed 10 Apr 2019 12:17 PM
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Zzang
jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 10:04 AMWhile I understand it is frustrating to play against a BD who can keep everyone interrupted by cycling through insta-LT and insta-debuff on multiple enemies it is potentially opening up a can of worms. The moment you remove those abilities from interrupting on BD's there are more classes lining up for changes.
Ironically bard would probably be one of those classes where a lot of people have complaints about, how it is a hard-counter to {fill in your class}
So basically what you are saying is that they should not look at and fix imbalanced classes because they would have to look at and fix more imbalanced classes? I really love the idea of a freeshard where devs have the intention of making whatever they can to improve the game without breaking the core concept of what makes Dark age of Camelot unique. If you start saying that "no, we can't fix this because then we would have to fix this too" then you might as well just keep it as live 1.65 which they haven't.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 12:21 PM
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jhaerik
It's not even 4 seconds here. It was ninja nerfed at some point to 5.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 12:30 PM
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dansari
Zzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 6:01 AMArguing that BD needs to stay broken because they can counter a bard which usually wins CC vs you is not very nice.
As a mid group you don't even need to win mezz in the start, you only need the 2nd healer to unstick and demezz from the back and voila, instant mezz immunity!
Bonedancers are such a strong class even with 8sec on lifetap and no interrupt on debuff, I would love to see this change. As a cleric who runs mostly small mans I can just say that meeting a BD who has more braincells than a slug (yes, there is a few) is like meeting two players of any other class.
And you arguing that BD is broken because of interrupts while playing on a realm which can run 5 pet classes in group is also hilarious. I can do whataboutism too!
Fact is that BD represents a very important part of midgard groups that is difficult to find in other classes: interrupting. It's very easy to cc a BD out of a fight and to kill its pets, but their role is not unlike a theurg or a bard, and I don't really see a point in messing with that balance.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 1:01 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
Just watch a couple of Kloog's @Dark Dawn hib group videos on YouTube and see how they manage bonedancers. You may find some useful tips.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 1:06 PM
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jelzinga_EU
Zzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 12:17 PMjelzinga_EU wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 10:04 AMWhile I understand it is frustrating to play against a BD who can keep everyone interrupted by cycling through insta-LT and insta-debuff on multiple enemies it is potentially opening up a can of worms. The moment you remove those abilities from interrupting on BD's there are more classes lining up for changes.
Ironically bard would probably be one of those classes where a lot of people have complaints about, how it is a hard-counter to {fill in your class}
So basically what you are saying is that they should not look at and fix imbalanced classes because they would have to look at and fix more imbalanced classes? I really love the idea of a freeshard where devs have the intention of making whatever they can to improve the game without breaking the core concept of what makes Dark age of Camelot unique. If you start saying that "no, we can't fix this because then we would have to fix this too" then you might as well just keep it as live 1.65 which they haven't.
I'm not saying that with so many words, I'm saying you should be aware it is a potential can of worms. This requested change might be warranted (or not) but should it be done because 1 bard requests it ?
He literally says he can't do his (bard) job because of 1 BD. Maybe his group is not properly adjusting their tactic to neutralize the BD ? Some classes are incredibly strong in certain situations. There is no holy grail of universal balance in DAOC unless you give all 3 realms the exact same classes.
Champion-debuffs? Nearsight? Disease ? Minstrel with red-pet ? Enchanter with snare-pet ? All OP against certain classes or in certain scenario's, just as in the described scenario of the BD and the bard. This is why I call it a can of worms, because by solving this specific problem, you're just adding (new) problems.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 1:17 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
Yeah, this really needs nothing more than a re-assessment of the tactics being utilized by the Bard. If bonedancer mid groups were steam rolling every single hib/alb set-up then we'd have a problem. This appears to be a case in which the Bonedancer was not handled appropriately on inc and the group suffered because of it. Just like letting theurgists run around unchecked will most likely result in the Alb group walking away as victors.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 3:07 PM
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Zzang
jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 1:06 PMZzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 12:17 PMjelzinga_EU wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 10:04 AMWhile I understand it is frustrating to play against a BD who can keep everyone interrupted by cycling through insta-LT and insta-debuff on multiple enemies it is potentially opening up a can of worms. The moment you remove those abilities from interrupting on BD's there are more classes lining up for changes.
Ironically bard would probably be one of those classes where a lot of people have complaints about, how it is a hard-counter to {fill in your class}
So basically what you are saying is that they should not look at and fix imbalanced classes because they would have to look at and fix more imbalanced classes? I really love the idea of a freeshard where devs have the intention of making whatever they can to improve the game without breaking the core concept of what makes Dark age of Camelot unique. If you start saying that "no, we can't fix this because then we would have to fix this too" then you might as well just keep it as live 1.65 which they haven't.
I'm not saying that with so many words, I'm saying you should be aware it is a potential can of worms. This requested change might be warranted (or not) but should it be done because 1 bard requests it ?
He literally says he can't do his (bard) job because of 1 BD. Maybe his group is not properly adjusting their tactic to neutralize the BD ? Some classes are incredibly strong in certain situations. There is no holy grail of universal balance in DAOC unless you give all 3 realms the exact same classes.
Champion-debuffs? Nearsight? Disease ? Minstrel with red-pet ? Enchanter with snare-pet ? All OP against certain classes or in certain scenario's, just as in the described scenario of the BD and the bard. This is why I call it a can of worms, because by solving this specific problem, you're just adding (new) problems.
From my experience the Bonedancer have a few too many strong tools at their disposal. Yes, he was complaining from his own personal perspective of frustration and given any perspective you could say that class X is preventing them from doing their job. My problem comes when a single class can fill so many roles and do so much in whatever group they are put in.
Running a small man with not so much heals but in need of caster dps? Throw in a BD with lifetap and self-heals which can interrupt 3 other classes at once.
Want to defend a keep versus a huge number of enemies? Throw in a BD with TWF and Negative Maelstrom.
Want to run 8v8 and win interrupts without losing out on dps? Throw in a BD with caster pets that can do as much damage as a normal baseline nuker.
Want to zergsurf and just leech some RPs? Throw in a BD who can do semi-good damage while running and not fear to face off any stragglers.
Basically, a BD is a very effective class even when played by a below-average person since the only thing you have to do is have pet on defensive and spam 2 insta-buttons to be very useful in a fight. If you add a competent player who knows how to position themselves and to control their pet then you have a really imbalanced class.
Imba does not mean you excel greatly at one thing, it means that the class is powerful against just about any opponent and the Bonedancer is just that.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 3:51 PM
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Warlay
I cannot do my stealth job because of 1bard damn
Wed 10 Apr 2019 4:05 PM
by
jelzinga_EU
Zzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 3:07 PMjelzinga_EU wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 1:06 PMZzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 12:17 PMSo basically what you are saying is that they should not look at and fix imbalanced classes because they would have to look at and fix more imbalanced classes? I really love the idea of a freeshard where devs have the intention of making whatever they can to improve the game without breaking the core concept of what makes Dark age of Camelot unique. If you start saying that "no, we can't fix this because then we would have to fix this too" then you might as well just keep it as live 1.65 which they haven't.
I'm not saying that with so many words, I'm saying you should be aware it is a potential can of worms. This requested change might be warranted (or not) but should it be done because 1 bard requests it ?
He literally says he can't do his (bard) job because of 1 BD. Maybe his group is not properly adjusting their tactic to neutralize the BD ? Some classes are incredibly strong in certain situations. There is no holy grail of universal balance in DAOC unless you give all 3 realms the exact same classes.
Champion-debuffs? Nearsight? Disease ? Minstrel with red-pet ? Enchanter with snare-pet ? All OP against certain classes or in certain scenario's, just as in the described scenario of the BD and the bard. This is why I call it a can of worms, because by solving this specific problem, you're just adding (new) problems.
From my experience the Bonedancer have a few too many strong tools at their disposal. Yes, he was complaining from his own personal perspective of frustration and given any perspective you could say that class X is preventing them from doing their job. My problem comes when a single class can fill so many roles and do so much in whatever group they are put in.
Running a small man with not so much heals but in need of caster dps? Throw in a BD with lifetap and self-heals which can interrupt 3 other classes at once.
Want to defend a keep versus a huge number of enemies? Throw in a BD with TWF and Negative Maelstrom.
Want to run 8v8 and win interrupts without losing out on dps? Throw in a BD with caster pets that can do as much damage as a normal baseline nuker.
Want to zergsurf and just leech some RPs? Throw in a BD who can do semi-good damage while running and not fear to face off any stragglers.
Basically, a BD is a very effective class even when played by a below-average person since the only thing you have to do is have pet on defensive and spam 2 insta-buttons to be very useful in a fight. If you add a competent player who knows how to position themselves and to control their pet then you have a really imbalanced class.
Imba does not mean you excel greatly at one thing, it means that the class is powerful against just about any opponent and the Bonedancer is just that.
There is no denying a BD is a strong class - but to nerf it because it "fits so many roles" isn't a very good reason, in my opinion. First of all, the roles you defined are all arbitrary and while BD may be good at those, you can say something similar about other classes too.
Want to attack a keep and speed up the process of taking it? Throw in a minstrel who climbs inside and places ram on 2nd door.
Want to run 8vs8 and have speed 6 with excellent interrupts and nice dmg? Throw in a minstrel with a high con pet
Want to small-man and need some CC'er and demezzer? Throw in a minstrel and go
Want to play sneaks and get something unique to Albion with stealther CC and heals (AM) ? Throw in a minstrel
Want to run a small-man and need CC and decent dmg? Throw in a sorc
Want to run body-debuff train on 8vs8 and need additional dmg? Throw in a sorc
Want to zergsurf and just leech some RPs? Throw in a sorc who can do semi-good damage and CC any additional stragglers.
As said, there is no denying a BD is strong and the insta's are very annoying to enemy casters - but to me it feels that once you start messing with stuff like this it rarely becomes better - and the need to throw in additional changes and nerfs quickly spirals out of control.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 4:16 PM
by
stridberg
"I can't do my job because xyz" isn't an argument for balance. It's some classes jobs to mess with other classes jobs. That's the whole point.
Here's your request, just with some words exchanged:
Heroes shouldn't be able to snare and guard other people. Period. The 50% block chance makes it impossible to counterplay as a savage.
Notice something?
Here's your request, just with some words exchanged:
Heroes shouldn't be able to snare and guard other people. Period. The 50% block chance makes it impossible to counterplay as a savage.
Notice something?
Wed 10 Apr 2019 4:18 PM
by
Leandrys
Well you know what ? midgard is actually "spiraling out of control" on the server, and it's precisely because of skalds and... BDs.
So yeah, OP is kinda right, time to nerfhammer the masse's magnet. "Oh, huh, i'm gonnu play BuneDuncer, it's rully nice and ufficient, can farm, rvr, solo, tank, dps, prutty gud !"
So yeah, OP is kinda right, time to nerfhammer the masse's magnet. "Oh, huh, i'm gonnu play BuneDuncer, it's rully nice and ufficient, can farm, rvr, solo, tank, dps, prutty gud !"
Wed 10 Apr 2019 4:56 PM
by
Roto23
dansari wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 3:18 AMLul wut. BD is the counter to Bard cc in particular. I get beaten in the mez game by Bards all the time on my healer due to hibnesia. I have to burn one of my 10min instas if I don't want to lose this battle, whereas Bards can just rupt every 5-10 seconds without a care. So, you basically want to have one of your counters removed because they do the same things you do? Bold strategy, Cotton.
EXACTLY!! well said Dansari
Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:15 PM
by
Zzang
jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 4:05 PMThere is no denying a BD is a strong class - but to nerf it because it "fits so many roles" isn't a very good reason, in my opinion. First of all, the roles you defined are all arbitrary and while BD may be good at those, you can say something similar about other classes too.
Want to attack a keep and speed up the process of taking it? Throw in a minstrel who climbs inside and places ram on 2nd door.
Want to run 8vs8 and have speed 6 with excellent interrupts and nice dmg? Throw in a minstrel with a high con pet
Want to small-man and need some CC'er and demezzer? Throw in a minstrel and go
Want to play sneaks and get something unique to Albion with stealther CC and heals (AM) ? Throw in a minstrel
Want to run a small-man and need CC and decent dmg? Throw in a sorc
Want to run body-debuff train on 8vs8 and need additional dmg? Throw in a sorc
Want to zergsurf and just leech some RPs? Throw in a sorc who can do semi-good damage and CC any additional stragglers.
As said, there is no denying a BD is strong and the insta's are very annoying to enemy casters - but to me it feels that once you start messing with stuff like this it rarely becomes better - and the need to throw in additional changes and nerfs quickly spirals out of control.
Yes, ok. While I agree that my examples were not perfect by any means and you can use the same logic and apply it on other classes the fact remains that if you never want to look at and change classes because of the fear of things going out of control then how can you ever balance a game?
In this particular case my concern is that no other insta debuffs on the server interrupts as far as I know, why should BD body debuff do it?
Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:30 PM
by
dansari
Zzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:15 PMYes, ok. While I agree that my examples were not perfect by any means and you can use the same logic and apply it on other classes the fact remains that if you never want to look at and change classes because of the fear of things going out of control then how can you ever balance a game?
In this particular case my concern is that no other insta debuffs on the server interrupts as far as I know, why should BD body debuff do it?
It's not that you can't look at classes, it's that you don't look at classes in a vacuum. The entire game has checks and balances in group play. For example, BD is very susceptible to casted burst damage, and all hib runs are heat trains anyway. You can explode a BD in one rotation. Should we nerf enchanters because they counter a BD from doing their job? That's the gist of the argument I get from the OP.
If it's a unique mechanic specifically with the instant body debuff, then you may have a point, and even then there would need to be evidence of it overperforming in group play before the devs would likely take action on it.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:34 PM
by
Amp_Phetamine
dansari wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:30 PMZzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:15 PMYes, ok. While I agree that my examples were not perfect by any means and you can use the same logic and apply it on other classes the fact remains that if you never want to look at and change classes because of the fear of things going out of control then how can you ever balance a game?
In this particular case my concern is that no other insta debuffs on the server interrupts as far as I know, why should BD body debuff do it?
It's not that you can't look at classes, it's that you don't look at classes in a vacuum. The entire game has checks and balances in group play. For example, BD is very susceptible to casted burst damage, and all hib runs are heat trains anyway. You can explode a BD in one rotation. Should we nerf enchanters because they counter a BD from doing their job? That's the gist of the argument I get from the OP.
If it's a unique mechanic specifically with the instant body debuff, then you may have a point, and even then there would need to be evidence of it overperforming in group play before the devs would likely take action on it.
I like this guys logic.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 8:23 PM
by
jelzinga_EU
Zzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:15 PMYes, ok. While I agree that my examples were not perfect by any means and you can use the same logic and apply it on other classes the fact remains that if you never want to look at and change classes because of the fear of things going out of control then how can you ever balance a game?
In this particular case my concern is that no other insta debuffs on the server interrupts as far as I know, why should BD body debuff do it?
It is indeed awkward it interrupts - but it did back in this era. Now that alone isn't a very good argument either, don't misunderstand me. And to be honest - I wouldn't mind either way it goes, but then you do open Pandora's box quite easily if you wanna equalize everything (in this case, insta debuffs not interrupting): Why is bard amnesia instant while others aren't ? Or why can the minstrel flute mezz be cast on the run while the other casted mezzes can't ? Why do infiltrators get more spec-points? Why does Albion have plate, why does Midgard have Celerity, why does Hibernia... list goes on and on.. Some examples aren't perfect but I'm sure you can think of a few things too.
My point is that there is a lot of imbalances between the realms and to a certain extent that is actually healthy - it allows for heated forum debates but more importantly it gives people a justification on why they lost. Believe it or not, a lot of people rather do not accept they got outplayed - blaming it on <insert OP ability> is very comforting.
With that everything said, it is important the imbalanced isn't going too far, or you end up with outrage. Personally, I do not know if the BD is pushing it too far, as BD aren't really fighting in a vacuum (group-dynamics, no stealth nor stealth-detection, no speed means people can avoid them easily or choose when to engage).
Wed 10 Apr 2019 8:35 PM
by
teiloh
dansari wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 5:30 PMIt's not that you can't look at classes, it's that you don't look at classes in a vacuum. The entire game has checks and balances in group play. For example, BD is very susceptible to casted burst damage, and all hib runs are heat trains anyway. You can explode a BD in one rotation. Should we nerf enchanters because they counter a BD from doing their job? That's the gist of the argument I get from the OP.
A BD is no more susceptible to casted burst damage than any other class. In fact, they fare better against them because they can instantly stop casted burst damage from two casters, or three if they have caster pets, for 3 seconds after immediately healing themselves for 100-200 without crit.
BD is one of the most survivable classes I've ever played. Some BDs never drop their PvE mindset and run into melee range, but if you play a BD like a caster with interrupts they probably die the least - while still being able to 85-100% fulfill all their roles.
Wed 10 Apr 2019 9:58 PM
by
Zzang
Now this is what happens when a class is easy to play and too powerful. I would guess that the numbers will get even more extreme as time goes unless they get adressed in some way.
Sure, realms being unique and not exact copies is nice and all but at some point there has to be some balancing done. I played a Berserker pre 1.62 and from that current perspective I thought they were fine, not OP at all. In hindsight I was 100% biased and my opinion did not take my opponents experience of the game in consideration.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 5:58 AM
by
dansari
BD is a solid soloing class in pve and rvr. It is most people's preferred farmer as shaman requires a lot of management, and it is one of the only viable non-speed, visible classes on mid. You or anyone else sharing number of people playing a class actually doesn't mean anything because you never provide any context other than "must be broke waaaahh" /serverinfo should have never been made available.. it just encourages the whining. Not to mention I thought skalds were the most played class because of det. Funny how people log in and out of the game every hour.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 6:53 AM
by
Zzang
dansari wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 5:58 AMBD is a solid soloing class in pve and rvr. It is most people's preferred farmer as shaman requires a lot of management, and it is one of the only viable non-speed, visible classes on mid. You or anyone else sharing number of people playing a class actually doesn't mean anything because you never provide any context other than "must be broke waaaahh" /serverinfo should have never been made available.. it just encourages the whining. Not to mention I thought skalds were the most played class because of det. Funny how people log in and out of the game every hour.
And you of course read only that post and conclude that I only look at serverinfo when I make my statements about BDs. My context is in my former post, the serverinfo just adds on top of what I already stated.
In the future I would not be surprised if the stats were even more unbalanced unless some changes happen.
When a class performs so well in both PvE and PvP, both solo, in small man and in group then you could say the class is a success. You could also say that most other classes are failures, it's a matter of perspective.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 2:31 PM
by
Horus
Figured there was something broken with BDs. That is why I see so many running around.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 4:20 PM
by
Dariussdars
Are you talking about BDs or Necros?Zzang wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 6:53 AMdansari wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 5:58 AMBD is a solid soloing class in pve and rvr. It is most people's preferred farmer as shaman requires a lot of management, and it is one of the only viable non-speed, visible classes on mid. You or anyone else sharing number of people playing a class actually doesn't mean anything because you never provide any context other than "must be broke waaaahh" /serverinfo should have never been made available.. it just encourages the whining. Not to mention I thought skalds were the most played class because of det. Funny how people log in and out of the game every hour.
And you of course read only that post and conclude that I only look at serverinfo when I make my statements about BDs. My context is in my former post, the serverinfo just adds on top of what I already stated.
In the future I would not be surprised if the stats were even more unbalanced unless some changes happen.
When a class performs so well in both PvE and PvP, both solo, in small man and in group then you could say the class is a success. You could also say that most other classes are failures, it's a matter of perspective.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 6:07 PM
by
jhaerik
Zzang wrote: ↑Wed 10 Apr 2019 9:58 PM
Now this is what happens when a class is easy to play and too powerful. I would guess that the numbers will get even more extreme as time goes unless they get adressed in some way.
Sure, realms being unique and not exact copies is nice and all but at some point there has to be some balancing done. I played a Berserker pre 1.62 and from that current perspective I thought they were fine, not OP at all. In hindsight I was 100% biased and my opinion did not take my opponents experience of the game in consideration.
You act like 90% of those BD's aren't just farm alts.
Summon SM is gutted so it's either Cave shammy or BD to farm on mid.
Most of the shammies are stuck buff bot spec so it's really just most of the bd's and 1/3 of the shammies farming.
Might as well just add Necro/Cabby together and Animist/Chanter/Menty together.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 6:13 PM
by
jhaerik
dansari wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 5:58 AMBD is a solid soloing class in pve and rvr. It is most people's preferred farmer as shaman requires a lot of management, and it is one of the only viable non-speed, visible classes on mid. You or anyone else sharing number of people playing a class actually doesn't mean anything because you never provide any context other than "must be broke waaaahh" /serverinfo should have never been made available.. it just encourages the whining. Not to mention I thought skalds were the most played class because of det. Funny how people log in and out of the game every hour.
I see constant "never can find a bard" and "skalds are everywhere" posts.
Yet Bards outnumber Skalds in this example.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 9:36 PM
by
BrotherLodrik
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 4:20 PMAre you talking about BDs or Necros?Zzang wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 6:53 AMdansari wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 5:58 AMBD is a solid soloing class in pve and rvr. It is most people's preferred farmer as shaman requires a lot of management, and it is one of the only viable non-speed, visible classes on mid. You or anyone else sharing number of people playing a class actually doesn't mean anything because you never provide any context other than "must be broke waaaahh" /serverinfo should have never been made available.. it just encourages the whining. Not to mention I thought skalds were the most played class because of det. Funny how people log in and out of the game every hour.
And you of course read only that post and conclude that I only look at serverinfo when I make my statements about BDs. My context is in my former post, the serverinfo just adds on top of what I already stated.
In the future I would not be surprised if the stats were even more unbalanced unless some changes happen.
When a class performs so well in both PvE and PvP, both solo, in small man and in group then you could say the class is a success. You could also say that most other classes are failures, it's a matter of perspective.
Necro got a lot of changes recently tho because enemy realms weren't happy about it.
So it is time to adjust some mechanics to BD too, like range from Pets to BD, etc.
Just to be fair.
Thu 11 Apr 2019 9:49 PM
by
Leandrys
BuT MidGaRd SuFfErS !
Thu 11 Apr 2019 10:58 PM
by
Dariussdars
Yeah, those BDs are overperforming because they are so overpowered. Mids wouldn't even be playing BDs if they had access to Necro.BrotherLodrik wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 9:36 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 4:20 PMAre you talking about BDs or Necros?Zzang wrote: ↑Thu 11 Apr 2019 6:53 AMAnd you of course read only that post and conclude that I only look at serverinfo when I make my statements about BDs. My context is in my former post, the serverinfo just adds on top of what I already stated.
In the future I would not be surprised if the stats were even more unbalanced unless some changes happen.
When a class performs so well in both PvE and PvP, both solo, in small man and in group then you could say the class is a success. You could also say that most other classes are failures, it's a matter of perspective.
Necro got a lot of changes recently tho because enemy realms weren't happy about it.
So it is time to adjust some mechanics to BD too, like range from Pets to BD, etc.
Just to be fair.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:38 AM
by
weewoozesty
Heaven forbid a Bonedancer using the line called suppression is actually doing the job of suppressing somebody right?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:53 AM
by
weewoozesty
They got the Theurg who can summon an army of pets. The Necro who is a different pet all together, the Cabalist pets which can turn the tide of a fight with their procs, what ever the hell a sorc decides to charm, and the minstrel being able to bring high level pets into the fray from god knows where.
Hibernia gets their fair share of pets.
Midgard gets 3. Skeletons, Ghosts and Dogs.
Hibernia gets their fair share of pets.
Midgard gets 3. Skeletons, Ghosts and Dogs.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:58 AM
by
Meandow
So many salty mids in this thread, jeebus 
I couldn't care less if BDs got nerfed or not but arguing that they're not the most broken class on phoenix atm is *insert random degrading insult here*. They're not impossible to deal with but the problem I see is that even people that is dropped on the head will be able to perform at a good enough level to be invited to a group. What theurgist would you invite that doesn't know how to position? None. What BD would you invite that doesn't know how to position? Probably all, they just need to tab cycle interrupt on anything they see and they are pretty much doing more for the group than any other class could. Yes minstrel also have instant interrupts and could tab cycle but they're also on 4 times the cooldown, change BD interrupts to half of that and everyone would rejoice.
The argument that you open up a "can of worms" because you do minor changes to the most popular class on the most popular realm is quite silly. A lot of stuff is being changed on phoenix, why should BDs be an exception when it's obvious that they're too strong?
I couldn't care less if BDs got nerfed or not but arguing that they're not the most broken class on phoenix atm is *insert random degrading insult here*. They're not impossible to deal with but the problem I see is that even people that is dropped on the head will be able to perform at a good enough level to be invited to a group. What theurgist would you invite that doesn't know how to position? None. What BD would you invite that doesn't know how to position? Probably all, they just need to tab cycle interrupt on anything they see and they are pretty much doing more for the group than any other class could. Yes minstrel also have instant interrupts and could tab cycle but they're also on 4 times the cooldown, change BD interrupts to half of that and everyone would rejoice.
The argument that you open up a "can of worms" because you do minor changes to the most popular class on the most popular realm is quite silly. A lot of stuff is being changed on phoenix, why should BDs be an exception when it's obvious that they're too strong?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:27 AM
by
Dariussdars
Meandow wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:58 AMSo many salty mids in this thread, jeebus
I couldn't care less if BDs got nerfed or not but arguing that they're not the most broken class on phoenix atm is *insert random degrading insult here*. They're not impossible to deal with but the problem I see is that even people that is dropped on the head will be able to perform at a good enough level to be invited to a group. What theurgist would you invite that doesn't know how to position? None. What BD would you invite that doesn't know how to position? Probably all, they just need to tab cycle interrupt on anything they see and they are pretty much doing more for the group than any other class could. Yes minstrel also have instant interrupts and could tab cycle but they're also on 4 times the cooldown, change BD interrupts to half of that and everyone would rejoice.
The argument that you open up a "can of worms" because you do minor changes to the most popular class on the most popular realm is quite silly. A lot of stuff is being changed on phoenix, why should BDs be an exception when it's obvious that they're too strong?
So a BD and his pets are never mezzed, or stunned, or assisted on? You cry babies act like BDs are CC immune, and they are unkillable. Why don't you try petting the BD with some chain stunning air pets? How about you sick the chain stunning cabby pet on him? Better yet, AE mez the pets with Sorc's BOLT RANGE MEZ, and kill the BD?
Weird how after 20 years, you poor Albion players still can't figure out how to deal with the other 2 realms classes.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:36 AM
by
jhaerik
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:27 AMMeandow wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:58 AMSo many salty mids in this thread, jeebus
I couldn't care less if BDs got nerfed or not but arguing that they're not the most broken class on phoenix atm is *insert random degrading insult here*. They're not impossible to deal with but the problem I see is that even people that is dropped on the head will be able to perform at a good enough level to be invited to a group. What theurgist would you invite that doesn't know how to position? None. What BD would you invite that doesn't know how to position? Probably all, they just need to tab cycle interrupt on anything they see and they are pretty much doing more for the group than any other class could. Yes minstrel also have instant interrupts and could tab cycle but they're also on 4 times the cooldown, change BD interrupts to half of that and everyone would rejoice.
The argument that you open up a "can of worms" because you do minor changes to the most popular class on the most popular realm is quite silly. A lot of stuff is being changed on phoenix, why should BDs be an exception when it's obvious that they're too strong?
So a BD and his pets are never mezzed, or stunned, or assisted on? You cry babies act like BDs are CC immune, and they are unkillable. Why don't you try petting the BD with some chain stunning air pets? How about you sick the chain stunning cabby pet on him? Better yet, AE mez the pets with Sorc's BOLT RANGE MEZ, and kill the BD?
Weird how after 20 years, you poor Albion players still can't figure out how to deal with the other 2 realms classes.
Side effect of the cabby debuff body nuke assist train meta. They don't know any other way to play and go to pieces when all their casters can't spam 1.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:12 PM
by
teiloh
Lol. You Say "put a pet on them" after complaining that BD pets are sometimes mezzed
Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:30 PM
by
dansari
The problem is people complaining about BD are doing so in a vacuum. They got nuked by a dark BD one time and got merced, or they perfed a supp BD and couldn't kill them within the stun duration, or their CCer got beat on initial engagement one time. Who cares if BD is mid's most efficient interrupter? Who cares if it's the counter to instant interrupters on the other two realms who can win the CC game using their instant interrupt tools (looking at you, Minst and Bards)? The fact is yes, BD can be a terror if not dealt with correctly. The same could be said for Theurgs, Cabalists, Bards, etc. That's not a "the class is too easy to play" problem.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:03 PM
by
Zzang
dansari wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:30 PMThe problem is people complaining about BD are doing so in a vacuum. They got nuked by a dark BD one time and got merced, or they perfed a supp BD and couldn't kill them within the stun duration, or their CCer got beat on initial engagement one time. Who cares if BD is mid's most efficient interrupter? Who cares if it's the counter to instant interrupters on the other two realms who can win the CC game using their instant interrupt tools (looking at you, Minst and Bards)? The fact is yes, BD can be a terror if not dealt with correctly. The same could be said for Theurgs, Cabalists, Bards, etc. That's not a "the class is too easy to play" problem.
I disagree.
The way a BD can withstand being interrupted and still be a very useful tool is what sets him apart from other casters. That is what makes him easy to play and also what makes him deserve an overpowered stamp. But hey, I might be a butthurt player, who knows? Let's see a few months from now how many rr10 BDs are roaming around feeling like good players when they win 2v1s without breaking a sweat.
(Also TWF and Negative Maelstrom on the same class, wtf)
Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:18 PM
by
teiloh
dansari wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:30 PMThe problem is people complaining about BD are doing so in a vacuum. They got nuked by a dark BD one time and got merced, or they perfed a supp BD and couldn't kill them within the stun duration, or their CCer got beat on initial engagement one time. Who cares if BD is mid's most efficient interrupter? Who cares if it's the counter to instant interrupters on the other two realms who can win the CC game using their instant interrupt tools (looking at you, Minst and Bards)? The fact is yes, BD can be a terror if not dealt with correctly. The same could be said for Theurgs, Cabalists, Bards, etc. That's not a "the class is too easy to play" problem.
Skalds have similar interrupts, only with a proper CC component on them, and Shaman are supreme interrupters as well with PB DZ and baseline 400 radius DZ. We should not be portraying BDs as the "answer" to any Hib or Mid equivalent; with 29 1500 range instant interrupts a minute, they have no equal (Minstrels have 5 + 5 + 3 + 7 = 21 per minute at 700 range). And they can do it forever, if they're using their lower level spells.
BDs also have a combo of casting + melee + hybrid casting pets, which makes bouncing pets highly disruptive, and they also have a fast-casting AOE to AOE Interrupt (Snare)
That said I'm reserving judgment on BD nerfs being totally necessary. Right now they could use some tuning in both directions to give a better play experience for both BDs and their opponents.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:43 PM
by
Tool73
BD class is mostly broken on this shard and no repair in sight...heal pets just stand arround instead of close up and heal, second subpet cant even stick to BD if sprint without speed, so that u mostly got inc with only 1 subpet, while the second is miles behind. Instead of bring up every weak new stuff, or call about some nerf this or that, it would be nice if GM do mostly 6 months old bugs from tracker. just my 2cent
Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:57 PM
by
Amp_Phetamine
Tool73 wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:43 PMBD class is mostly broken on this shard and no repair in sight...heal pets just stand arround instead of close up and heal, second subpet cant even stick to BD if sprint without speed, so that u mostly got inc with only 1 subpet, while the second is miles behind. Instead of bring up every weak new stuff, or call about some nerf this or that, it would be nice if GM do mostly 6 months old bugs from tracker. just my 2cent
Whelp, we're what, two months away from that dead line then?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 8:33 PM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:12 PMLol. You Say "put a pet on them" after complaining that BD pets are sometimes mezzed
What are you confused by? A Theurgist isn't capable of petting the BD after he and the pets are mezzed? Not even sure what you think your point was? How/where is stating that BD pets get mezzed is considered complaining?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 8:36 PM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:18 PMdansari wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:30 PMThe problem is people complaining about BD are doing so in a vacuum. They got nuked by a dark BD one time and got merced, or they perfed a supp BD and couldn't kill them within the stun duration, or their CCer got beat on initial engagement one time. Who cares if BD is mid's most efficient interrupter? Who cares if it's the counter to instant interrupters on the other two realms who can win the CC game using their instant interrupt tools (looking at you, Minst and Bards)? The fact is yes, BD can be a terror if not dealt with correctly. The same could be said for Theurgs, Cabalists, Bards, etc. That's not a "the class is too easy to play" problem.
Skalds have similar interrupts, only with a proper CC component on them, and Shaman are supreme interrupters as well with PB DZ and baseline 400 radius DZ. We should not be portraying BDs as the "answer" to any Hib or Mid equivalent; with 29 1500 range instant interrupts a minute, they have no equal (Minstrels have 5 + 5 + 3 + 7 = 21 per minute at 700 range). And they can do it forever, if they're using their lower level spells.
BDs also have a combo of casting + melee + hybrid casting pets, which makes bouncing pets highly disruptive, and they also have a fast-casting AOE to AOE Interrupt (Snare)
That said I'm reserving judgment on BD nerfs being totally necessary. Right now they could use some tuning in both directions to give a better play experience for both BDs and their opponents.
Why don't some of you Albion whiners try mezzing or stunning the BD? How many interrupts does the BD use if he is stunned and purge is down? Seriously, do you not know how to kill another low hit point caster?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:20 PM
by
teiloh
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 8:33 PMteiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:12 PMLol. You Say "put a pet on them" after complaining that BD pets are sometimes mezzed
What are you confused by? A Theurgist isn't capable of petting the BD after he and the pets are mezzed? Not even sure what you think your point was? How/where is stating that BD pets get mezzed is considered complaining?
LOL. Those pets you're telling everyone to put on the BD, can be mezzed/stunned themselves.
And if you're getting caught in mezzes or stunned as a BD, you need to learn how position. It's not like you actually have to stay in cast range, like every other caster does.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:24 PM
by
jhaerik
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 8:36 PMteiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 2:18 PMdansari wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:30 PMThe problem is people complaining about BD are doing so in a vacuum. They got nuked by a dark BD one time and got merced, or they perfed a supp BD and couldn't kill them within the stun duration, or their CCer got beat on initial engagement one time. Who cares if BD is mid's most efficient interrupter? Who cares if it's the counter to instant interrupters on the other two realms who can win the CC game using their instant interrupt tools (looking at you, Minst and Bards)? The fact is yes, BD can be a terror if not dealt with correctly. The same could be said for Theurgs, Cabalists, Bards, etc. That's not a "the class is too easy to play" problem.
Skalds have similar interrupts, only with a proper CC component on them, and Shaman are supreme interrupters as well with PB DZ and baseline 400 radius DZ. We should not be portraying BDs as the "answer" to any Hib or Mid equivalent; with 29 1500 range instant interrupts a minute, they have no equal (Minstrels have 5 + 5 + 3 + 7 = 21 per minute at 700 range). And they can do it forever, if they're using their lower level spells.
BDs also have a combo of casting + melee + hybrid casting pets, which makes bouncing pets highly disruptive, and they also have a fast-casting AOE to AOE Interrupt (Snare)
That said I'm reserving judgment on BD nerfs being totally necessary. Right now they could use some tuning in both directions to give a better play experience for both BDs and their opponents.
Why don't some of you Albion whiners try mezzing or stunning the BD? How many interrupts does the BD use if he is stunned and purge is down? Seriously, do you not know how to kill another low hit point caster?
TBH there really isn't a point talking to Albs.
I mean they just said that Shamans were "supreme interrupters."
You know.... the slow casting 1500 range class that doesn't have QC and has a massive target on his back.
Do you even know WHY people consider shamans on Mid an interrupt class? Because they have ALMOST nothing else to do in a fight. They buff, if spec'd for it they can cast a shitty frigg, or backup heals. They cure diseases/they root supports/pets/casters..... AND...... since they have nothing else to do the remaining 90% of the time they try to rupt people without getting stun nuked to death.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:27 PM
by
jhaerik
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:20 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 8:33 PMteiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:12 PMLol. You Say "put a pet on them" after complaining that BD pets are sometimes mezzed
What are you confused by? A Theurgist isn't capable of petting the BD after he and the pets are mezzed? Not even sure what you think your point was? How/where is stating that BD pets get mezzed is considered complaining?
LOL. Those pets you're telling everyone to put on the BD, can be mezzed/stunned themselves.
And if you're getting caught in mezzes or stunned as a BD, you need to learn how position. It's not like you actually have to stay in cast range, like every other caster does.
I see your issue now. You are playing your alb casters by sitting there at less than 1500 range spamming your 1 key. Hint none of the caster classes should be "staying in range." You should be moving in and out of range.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:31 PM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:20 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 8:33 PMteiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 1:12 PMLol. You Say "put a pet on them" after complaining that BD pets are sometimes mezzed
What are you confused by? A Theurgist isn't capable of petting the BD after he and the pets are mezzed? Not even sure what you think your point was? How/where is stating that BD pets get mezzed is considered complaining?
LOL. Those pets you're telling everyone to put on the BD, can be mezzed/stunned themselves.
And if you're getting caught in mezzes or stunned as a BD, you need to learn how position. It's not like you actually have to stay in cast range, like every other caster does.
How exactly is the BD interrupting anyone if he isn't in cast range? WTF? Isn't Theurg range to cast pets 2000? Last I checked, 2000>1500. Hilarious how you have no clue how to position or use your turbo speed/chain stunning pets to your advantage, but cry about a BD using 1500 range insta interupts. Sorc's also have bolt range mez, which is also 1875>1500 greater range than those overpowered instas.
Sounds like you have a L2P issue.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:10 PM
by
teiloh
jhaerik wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:27 PMI see your issue now. You are playing your alb casters by sitting there at less than 1500 range spamming your 1 key. Hint none of the caster classes should be "staying in range." You should be moving in and out of range.
Hi jhaerik, in this version of DaoC casters have to stand still for at least 1 second to cast most of their spells.
Hope this helps.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:11 PM
by
teiloh
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:31 PMHow exactly is the BD interrupting anyone if he isn't in cast range? WTF? Isn't Theurg range to cast pets 2000? Last I checked, 2000>1500. Hilarious how you have no clue how to position or use your turbo speed/chain stunning pets to your advantage, but cry about a BD using 1500 range insta interupts. Sorc's also have bolt range mez, which is also 1875>1500 greater range than those overpowered instas.
Sounds like you have a L2P issue.
You sound like you click and keyboard turn. You press insta, then run out of range or LOS immediately. This should take you less than .2 seconds.
Hope this helps you play better in the future.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:27 PM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:11 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:31 PMHow exactly is the BD interrupting anyone if he isn't in cast range? WTF? Isn't Theurg range to cast pets 2000? Last I checked, 2000>1500. Hilarious how you have no clue how to position or use your turbo speed/chain stunning pets to your advantage, but cry about a BD using 1500 range insta interupts. Sorc's also have bolt range mez, which is also 1875>1500 greater range than those overpowered instas.
Sounds like you have a L2P issue.
You sound like you click and keyboard turn. You press insta, then run out of range or LOS immediately. This should take you less than .2 seconds.
Hope this helps you play better in the future.
Ah, so are you crying about a 1 on 1 with a BD? Can't figure out how you can't deal with them without whining on the forum. How exactly does a BD run out of LOS in an open field setting? You are the stereotye of the typical Alb who doesn't understand the advantages his classes has, and simply whines to have Mid and Hib classes nerfed.
I play my BD just fine, never once said I have any issues playing. You on the other hand seem to have massive issues with playing whatever class you main.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:28 PM
by
teiloh
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:27 PMAh, so are you crying about a 1 on 1 with a BD? Can't figure out how you can't deal with them without whining on the forum. How exactly does a BD run out of LOS in an open field setting? You are the stereotye of the typical Alb who doesn't understand the advantages his classes has, and simply whines to have Mid and Hib classes nerfed.
I play my BD just fine, never once said I have any issues playing. You on the other hand seem to have massive issues with playing whatever class you main.
Usually, on inc, you should pull off. Instead of running in balls deep like you're pveing on your Troll BD, you should skirt around and go after targets trying to make plays. They will usually have to be within 1500 range unless it's a Sorc or Bolter, at which point you can press (in your case, click) Lifetap. This will interrupt them.
Fun fact you can sprint 268 units in 1 second, so you can close the distance to the average bolt caster before they can get off the standard 1.3-1.4 second cast.
Then you can turn, move, and be out of the range of most 1500 range spells.
Hope this helps.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:32 PM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:28 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:27 PMAh, so are you crying about a 1 on 1 with a BD? Can't figure out how you can't deal with them without whining on the forum. How exactly does a BD run out of LOS in an open field setting? You are the stereotye of the typical Alb who doesn't understand the advantages his classes has, and simply whines to have Mid and Hib classes nerfed.
I play my BD just fine, never once said I have any issues playing. You on the other hand seem to have massive issues with playing whatever class you main.
Usually, on inc, you should pull off. Instead of running in balls deep like you're pveing on your Troll BD, you should skirt around and go after targets trying to make plays. They will usually have to be within 1500 range unless it's a Sorc or Bolter, at which point you can press (in your case, click) Lifetap.
This will interrupt them.
Hope this helps.
Sucks that Albs have no classes capable of stunning or mezzing the BD, or just killing them.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:33 PM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:28 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:27 PMAh, so are you crying about a 1 on 1 with a BD? Can't figure out how you can't deal with them without whining on the forum. How exactly does a BD run out of LOS in an open field setting? You are the stereotye of the typical Alb who doesn't understand the advantages his classes has, and simply whines to have Mid and Hib classes nerfed.
I play my BD just fine, never once said I have any issues playing. You on the other hand seem to have massive issues with playing whatever class you main.
Usually, on inc, you should pull off. Instead of running in balls deep like you're pveing on your Troll BD, you should skirt around and go after targets trying to make plays. They will usually have to be within 1500 range unless it's a Sorc or Bolter, at which point you can press (in your case, click) Lifetap. This will interrupt them.
Fun fact you can sprint 268 units in 1 second, so you can close the distance to the average bolt caster before they can get off the standard 1.3-1.4 second cast.
Then you can turn, move, and be out of the range of most 1500 range spells.
Hope this helps.
Once again, the only one who needs help in this thread is you. You are whining and crying about unkillable, unCCable BDs like they are god mode. Doesn't it get old whining about every non Alb class on the forums?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:38 PM
by
Dariussdars
5 overpowered BDS in the top 50 RPs for last week. 5 Minstrels also in top 50.
Nerf Minstrels obviously, right?
Nerf Minstrels obviously, right?
Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:54 PM
by
teiloh
Hi, it seems like you are getting really emotional and crying as usual. I have a BD and if you'll look at my bugtracker issue, I've made a request for fossil healers to cast faster and have uninterruptible casts - as they were on live.
I'm just pointing out the absolute fallacy in your "arguments", which are a joke. "Stun and mez it" literally works on every single class. The thing is, BDs because they never have to sit still are better at dodging said stuns and mezzes than most classes.
Hope this helps.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:02 PM
by
Dariussdars
Yeah, because moving around automatically makes whoever has you targetted lose the target, right? I legit feel sorry for you. What are your melee classes doing while the BD is moving around dodging everything? You'd think the top 20 BDs would be grossly overpowerforming compared to Alb classes, right? In reality, the top 20 Minstrels, Sorcs, Clerics, Infiltrators, all are outperforming BDs in Rps in the last week.teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:54 PM
Hi, it seems like you are getting really emotional and crying as usual. I have a BD and if you'll look at my bugtracker issue, I've made a request for fossil healers to cast faster and have uninterruptible casts - as they were on live.
I'm just pointing out the absolute fallacy in your "arguments", which are a joke. "Stun and mez it" literally works on every single class. The thing is, BDs because they never have to sit still are better at dodging said stuns and mezzes than most classes.
Hope this helps.
Weird.
Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:37 PM
by
teiloh
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:02 PMYeah, because moving around automatically makes whoever has you targetted lose the target, right? I legit feel sorry for you. What are your melee classes doing while the BD is moving around dodging everything? You'd think the top 20 BDs would be grossly overpowerforming compared to Alb classes, right? In reality, the top 20 Minstrels, Sorcs, Clerics, Infiltrators, all are outperforming BDs in Rps in the last week.
Weird.
Hi,
If you didn't notice, Alb has an underpop RP bonus as well as keep RP bonuses. This might help Albs get into top RP lists.
Also, you do realize we're talking about 8v8+ and not 1v8? What are their tanks doing? Probably getting diseased by your Shaman and peeled by Warriors.
Hope this helps your guild of clickers and keyboard turners. Remember to peel and disease!
Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:05 AM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:37 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:02 PMYeah, because moving around automatically makes whoever has you targetted lose the target, right? I legit feel sorry for you. What are your melee classes doing while the BD is moving around dodging everything? You'd think the top 20 BDs would be grossly overpowerforming compared to Alb classes, right? In reality, the top 20 Minstrels, Sorcs, Clerics, Infiltrators, all are outperforming BDs in Rps in the last week.
Weird.
Hi,
If you didn't notice, Alb has an underpop RP bonus as well as keep RP bonuses. This might help Albs get into top RP lists.
Also, you do realize we're talking about 8v8+ and not 1v8? What are their tanks doing? Probably getting diseased by your Shaman and peeled by Warriors.
Hope this helps your guild of clickers and keyboard turners. Remember to peel and disease!
So once again, all Alb classes are underpowered, compared to Mid classes. Same whine you guys have memorized for 20 years. No wonder the Devs don't take any suggestions you guys have seriously. Thanks for the nostalgia though, brings back memories of the floods of Albion tears throughout the years.
What are your Clerics, Minstrel, Sorc, Cabalist, etc. doing while the one BD is interrupting everyone at the same time? Do you all just lay down when you see an 8 man come into clip range with a BD in the group? LOL.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:07 AM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:37 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 11:02 PMYeah, because moving around automatically makes whoever has you targetted lose the target, right? I legit feel sorry for you. What are your melee classes doing while the BD is moving around dodging everything? You'd think the top 20 BDs would be grossly overpowerforming compared to Alb classes, right? In reality, the top 20 Minstrels, Sorcs, Clerics, Infiltrators, all are outperforming BDs in Rps in the last week.
Weird.
Hi,
If you didn't notice, Alb has an underpop RP bonus as well as keep RP bonuses. This might help Albs get into top RP lists.
Also, you do realize we're talking about 8v8+ and not 1v8? What are their tanks doing? Probably getting diseased by your Shaman and peeled by Warriors.
Hope this helps your guild of clickers and keyboard turners. Remember to peel and disease!
You also didn't bother explaining how a BD somehow dodges stuns and mezzes.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:08 AM
by
jhaerik
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:10 PMjhaerik wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:27 PMI see your issue now. You are playing your alb casters by sitting there at less than 1500 range spamming your 1 key. Hint none of the caster classes should be "staying in range." You should be moving in and out of range.
Hi jhaerik, in this version of DaoC casters have to stand still for at least 1 second to cast most of their spells.
Hope this helps.
You said "stay in range." Not my fault you don't communicate well.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:10 AM
by
Dariussdars
jhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:08 AMteiloh wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:10 PMjhaerik wrote: ↑Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:27 PMI see your issue now. You are playing your alb casters by sitting there at less than 1500 range spamming your 1 key. Hint none of the caster classes should be "staying in range." You should be moving in and out of range.
Hi jhaerik, in this version of DaoC casters have to stand still for at least 1 second to cast most of their spells.
Hope this helps.
You said "stay in range." Not my fault you don't communicate well.
Hard to communicate with tears streaming down his face.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:44 AM
by
teiloh
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:05 AMSo once again, all Alb classes are underpowered, compared to Mid classes. Same whine you guys have memorized for 20 years. No wonder the Devs don't take any suggestions you guys have seriously. Thanks for the nostalgia though, brings back memories of the floods of Albion tears throughout the years.
What are your Clerics, Minstrel, Sorc, Cabalist, etc. doing while the one BD is interrupting everyone at the same time? Do you all just lay down when you see an 8 man come into clip range with a BD in the group? LOL.
Yeah the devs don't take them seriously which is why ...
They buffed Wizards
Then they buffed Necros
Then they buffed Paladins
Then they buffed Friars
Then they buffed Friars again
but then again you are the whiny one who got his thread locked.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 1:08 AM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:44 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:05 AMSo once again, all Alb classes are underpowered, compared to Mid classes. Same whine you guys have memorized for 20 years. No wonder the Devs don't take any suggestions you guys have seriously. Thanks for the nostalgia though, brings back memories of the floods of Albion tears throughout the years.
What are your Clerics, Minstrel, Sorc, Cabalist, etc. doing while the one BD is interrupting everyone at the same time? Do you all just lay down when you see an 8 man come into clip range with a BD in the group? LOL.
Yeah the devs don't take them seriously which is why ...
They buffed Wizards
Then they buffed Necros
Then they buffed Paladins
Then they buffed Friars
Then they buffed Friars again
but then again you are the whiny one who got his thread locked.
Once again, how do BDs dodge mez and stun by moving around? Which Hib and Mid classes have the Devs nerfed due to your whining in suggestions? They don't take your whining seriously, sorry.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 1:56 AM
by
jhaerik
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:44 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 12:05 AMSo once again, all Alb classes are underpowered, compared to Mid classes. Same whine you guys have memorized for 20 years. No wonder the Devs don't take any suggestions you guys have seriously. Thanks for the nostalgia though, brings back memories of the floods of Albion tears throughout the years.
What are your Clerics, Minstrel, Sorc, Cabalist, etc. doing while the one BD is interrupting everyone at the same time? Do you all just lay down when you see an 8 man come into clip range with a BD in the group? LOL.
Yeah the devs don't take them seriously which is why ...
They buffed Wizards
Then they buffed Necros
Then they buffed Paladins
Then they buffed Friars
Then they buffed Friars again
but then again you are the whiny one who got his thread locked.
It wasn't but like a month ago that you were giving excuses to why the post buffed wizard was worthless and shouldn't be grouped. The funny part is that a earth/fire Wizzy will absolutely wreck a BD. NS, AoE Root, and bolts. You have the perfect counter class for bd's but you refuse to run them.
Seriously dude all you do is QQ about one class until people get sick of entertaining you, then harp on about the next.
It takes 12 hours to swap, and 2 days to level a bd, and a few more to temp one. Do it, and upload a video of how "OP" they are and how well you rupt people with your "easy mode" class. I'd LOVE to see it.
Cause you know what's going to happen with that? You are going to get sick of dealing with alb groups really damn fast. Put your money where you mouth is or just hush.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 1:56 AM
by
teiloh
jhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 1:56 AMIt wasn't but like a month ago that you were giving excuses to why the post buffed wizard was worthless and shouldn't be grouped.
Seriously dude all you do is QQ about one class until people get sick of entertaining you, then harp on about the next.
Dry up your tears.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 4:06 PM
by
jhaerik
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 1:56 AMjhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 13 Apr 2019 1:56 AMIt wasn't but like a month ago that you were giving excuses to why the post buffed wizard was worthless and shouldn't be grouped.
Seriously dude all you do is QQ about one class until people get sick of entertaining you, then harp on about the next.
Dry up your tears.
Why? I'm the one with the BD.
Bone dry here.
Sat 13 Apr 2019 11:18 PM
by
Sharky04
Just look at the screenshot. Necros and Animist are used 90% for PVE. Bonedancers are a plague. The solution is simple. Remove Thornweed Field and Negative Maelstrom from BDs. These RAs are insanely powerful, especially when combined. Originally in old Daoc Thornweed Field was overpowered, but it was given to a rarely played and weak class, the Warden. Giving this RA to the most powerful and played class destroyed the balance of the game.
Sun 14 Apr 2019 12:52 AM
by
jhaerik
90% of BD's just farm too you know...
Mid has far less viable solo pve classes that Hib/Alb.
Mid has far less viable solo pve classes that Hib/Alb.
Sun 14 Apr 2019 2:29 AM
by
Fooj Fujiyama
Bd's are just cheap, any time I see a BD in rvr I immediately think they are a scrub who can't cut it without some op character. It's just sad that it's tradition to maek the least skillful character the most op pretty much.
Sun 14 Apr 2019 9:30 AM
by
CronU
okay, this answer is maybe a bit to late...
but i guess its almost the same during napt or eupt.
11:26 am (CET)
98 Animists
84 Bonedancers.
So its the second most played class atm.
just 33 of those 84 Bonedancers are lvl 50.
8 of this 33 Bonedancers are in rvr. The rest is pvm farming somewhere.
so not even 10% of those 84 Bonedancers is in rvr.
/underpop says 133 mids are in rvr atm. so 8 of 133 mids in rvr are lvl 50 bonedancers.
Well i guess we really can talk about a plague here.. thats really insane...
but i guess its almost the same during napt or eupt.
11:26 am (CET)
98 Animists
84 Bonedancers.
So its the second most played class atm.
just 33 of those 84 Bonedancers are lvl 50.
8 of this 33 Bonedancers are in rvr. The rest is pvm farming somewhere.
so not even 10% of those 84 Bonedancers is in rvr.
/underpop says 133 mids are in rvr atm. so 8 of 133 mids in rvr are lvl 50 bonedancers.
Well i guess we really can talk about a plague here.. thats really insane...
Sun 14 Apr 2019 3:18 PM
by
Dariussdars
Weird how none of these whiners realize most of the BDs aren't 50, and the vast majority are out PVEing.
You know, kind of like what animists and necros do?
You know, kind of like what animists and necros do?
Sun 14 Apr 2019 9:09 PM
by
CronU
Another test.
during EU-Primetime RvR.
9:45 pm (CET):
153 bd's online (second most class, behind animists)
51 of those 153 are lvl 50. (not counting anon ones, cause you cant see them)
24 of them in rvr zones. (not counting anon ones, cause you cant see them) (including 6 Bonedancer in Uppland, that also could be afk or farming smth, i just counted them in)
during EU-Primetime RvR.
9:45 pm (CET):
153 bd's online (second most class, behind animists)
51 of those 153 are lvl 50. (not counting anon ones, cause you cant see them)
24 of them in rvr zones. (not counting anon ones, cause you cant see them) (including 6 Bonedancer in Uppland, that also could be afk or farming smth, i just counted them in)
Mon 15 Apr 2019 12:45 AM
by
jhaerik
Only a very small percentage play more than 1 realm... cause a very large percentage of us have lives.
Mon 15 Apr 2019 1:12 AM
by
Dariussdars
BDs are the best class to farm with in Mid, as are Animists in Hib, and Necros in Alb. Just because you refuse to believe that doesn't make it untrue. Done wasting my time with such a toxic whiner like you.
Mon 15 Apr 2019 1:14 AM
by
Dariussdars
24 of the 153 BDs online were in the frontier. So 131 other BDs were out PVEing, not out in RvR.
Sucks having your narrative destroyed with basic facts, doesn't it?
Mon 15 Apr 2019 1:21 AM
by
Dariussdars
72 BDs on right now, 29 of them are level 50. Of those 29, a whopping TEN overpowered BDs are out in frontier zones. The other 19 level 50 BDs are out PVeing. 2/3 of the level 50 BDs are PVEing. Let that fact sink in Teiloh.
Mon 15 Apr 2019 1:56 AM
by
Fooj Fujiyama
Even one bd makes me wanna puke in my mouth a bit, 2019 and we still have this op garbage class
Mon 15 Apr 2019 2:38 AM
by
Dariussdars
teiloh wrote: ↑Mon 15 Apr 2019 2:03 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Mon 15 Apr 2019 1:14 AMteiloh wrote: ↑Sun 14 Apr 2019 7:19 PMYou're FOS. BDs are NOT a PvE-biased class.
Stop lying. Most of us have 50s in all three realms.
24 of the 153 BDs online were in the frontier. So 131 other BDs were out PVEing, not out in RvR.
Sucks having your narrative destroyed with basic facts, doesn't it?
Nice waiting for a TG raid to spew some of those lies.
Weird how none of them were in TG. They were in Malm, Vanern, Skona, Aegir, Jord, etc. Not a single one of them in TG. Cry more?
Mon 15 Apr 2019 2:39 AM
by
Dariussdars
Which class do YOU think is the best farming class in Mid? Can't wait for this answer. What's it like being wrong with everything you cry about?
Mon 15 Apr 2019 3:00 AM
by
jhaerik
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Mon 15 Apr 2019 2:39 AM
Which class do YOU think is the best farming class in Mid? Can't wait for this answer. What's it like being wrong with everything you cry about?
Well to be 100% fair BD's are the second best class to farm with if your purpose for farming is just Plat.
Cave shammy is the best for farming plat on Mid as a solo, but a LOT of the bd's I talk to prefer not to aoe dot kite farm so they go BD to farm. (even though the second best spec for plat farming is still AoE dot kiting with BD.) I also don't blame them, my shammy stayed cave for all of about two weeks before I burned out of running in circles to farm.
Mon 15 Apr 2019 5:00 AM
by
Zenit
+1.
They even dont need the debuff since their pets can nuke over 2k range and dont need any los. BD actually does not require any skill to play. No positioning needed on that "caster". Just push and spam your two 4s cd interrupt spell. Its fucking bullshit.
They even dont need the debuff since their pets can nuke over 2k range and dont need any los. BD actually does not require any skill to play. No positioning needed on that "caster". Just push and spam your two 4s cd interrupt spell. Its fucking bullshit.
Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:26 AM
by
yasow
Since the discussion in this thread has ended and you adult people can’t go without a little respect for each other, we lock this.
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