While I think the previous changes to the friar were a step in the right direction, I dont think they went far enough. Friars are still unwanted in many groups and incapable of solo play for the most part. Rather than trying to push them to he a full blown cleric, why not allow them to be the support healer/melee they were intended to be. I think allowing the friar to cast HoT while in combat/moving would make them more effective solo and in groups, without making them overpowered. In groups especially because they'd be capable of keeping some form of heal up while using snare styles to peel for casters and other healers. As of now, a cleric is still has more group utility than a friar.
Friar potential
Started 3 Apr 2019
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nkeplinger1
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Wed 3 Apr 2019 10:08 PM
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Blitze
Agree that changes are a step in the right direction but they’ve had an unnoticeable effect (it could be too early to tell).
Also as I’m a solo Friar and specced for that (unlike many classes, our solo spec is very different than a grp spec)...so I haven’t trialled the new changes in grps. This means that my experience is just from not seeing any Alb RvR grps LFG for a Friar or any friars in grps running past me. <some input from regular 8v8ers would be beneficial>
It makes sense that the next thing the devs will look at would be combat castable HoT, grp end redux and grp haste... Because they are easy fixes that wouldn’t effect solo melee friars.
Also as I’m a solo Friar and specced for that (unlike many classes, our solo spec is very different than a grp spec)...so I haven’t trialled the new changes in grps. This means that my experience is just from not seeing any Alb RvR grps LFG for a Friar or any friars in grps running past me. <some input from regular 8v8ers would be beneficial>
It makes sense that the next thing the devs will look at would be combat castable HoT, grp end redux and grp haste... Because they are easy fixes that wouldn’t effect solo melee friars.
Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:01 PM
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djegu
The other day i saw a friar destroying 4 people (lv 50) at the same time, 15mn after he destroyed 2 people and he was at 90%. What friar need now ? Stealth ? DI ? SOS ? maybe amnesia ?
Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:44 PM
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nkeplinger1
What is best solo friar spec?
Thu 4 Apr 2019 11:17 AM
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Cami
Start playing, stop complaining. Friar is awesome now in groups!
Thu 4 Apr 2019 1:22 PM
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Peister
You obviously dont play the game..
Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:05 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
djegu wrote: ↑Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:01 PMThe other day i saw a friar destroying 4 people (lv 50) at the same time, 15mn after he destroyed 2 people and he was at 90%. What friar need now ? Stealth ? DI ? SOS ? maybe amnesia ?
I just set up the story basket for you. Extra-wide rim with no double layering, this story should sail right in!
Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:12 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
On a serious note - Friar's are fairly proficient in terms of visi-solo capabilities. As far as grouping goes it's still difficult to justify dropping a cleric for a rejuv/enhance friar (although not nearly as unreasonable as before).
Think a pretty fun set up would be: Sorc, Minstril, Cleric, Friar, Theurg, Necro, Mercenary, Armsman - The Mercenary and Armsman assist the AF debuffed necro target. Friar assists the cleric with heals and functions to clear disease/poison/drop HoT when able. Theurgist does what hib/mid hate him to do, along with sorc and minstril to lock down/interrupt. Would be able to /murder fairly well. Plus if things get hairy, having ST 1-2 would certainly be a plus.
Think a pretty fun set up would be: Sorc, Minstril, Cleric, Friar, Theurg, Necro, Mercenary, Armsman - The Mercenary and Armsman assist the AF debuffed necro target. Friar assists the cleric with heals and functions to clear disease/poison/drop HoT when able. Theurgist does what hib/mid hate him to do, along with sorc and minstril to lock down/interrupt. Would be able to /murder fairly well. Plus if things get hairy, having ST 1-2 would certainly be a plus.
Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:25 PM
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FFpheonix
Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:05 PMdjegu wrote: ↑Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:01 PMThe other day i saw a friar destroying 4 people (lv 50) at the same time, 15mn after he destroyed 2 people and he was at 90%. What friar need now ? Stealth ? DI ? SOS ? maybe amnesia ?
I just set up the story basket for you. Extra-wide rim with no double layering, this story should sail right in!
Stj has told me that he's killed 3-4 low RR people before because the enemies kill themselves when he pops Reflex Attack. It's possible the Friar did the same.
Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:42 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
FFpheonix wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:25 PMAmp_Phetamine wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:05 PMdjegu wrote: ↑Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:01 PMThe other day i saw a friar destroying 4 people (lv 50) at the same time, 15mn after he destroyed 2 people and he was at 90%. What friar need now ? Stealth ? DI ? SOS ? maybe amnesia ?
I just set up the story basket for you. Extra-wide rim with no double layering, this story should sail right in!
Stj has told me that he's killed 3-4 low RR people before because the enemies kill themselves when he pops Reflex Attack. It's possible the Friar did the same.
This is true xD - I was more teasing Djegu on the second part of the sentence lol. Friar's are not OP by any means, and it is possible to wipe out a few fresh 50's that are under geared and low rr with staff dps+RA. Shoot I've had lower levels/lower realm ranks add on my Mercenary and just auto-die to RA >=D.
Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:10 PM
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kedelin
Friars staff damage is too high.... no reason a friar should melee 30 percent harder against a chain wearing class them my rr6 skald with44 weapon hitting leather
Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:16 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
kedelin wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:10 PMFriars staff damage is too high.... no reason a friar should melee 30 percent harder against a chain wearing class them my rr6 skald with44 weapon hitting leather
Friars only hit so hard because they're on the same damage table as valewalkers (without the procs).
Also keep in mind, that you're a hybrid DPS/interrupt toon as well. Do you think a skald should have the capability of being able to mezz/snare/dd-interrupt/kite and also be capable of dishing out Friar dps numbers? - I would vote [NO] YES
Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:46 PM
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kedelin
Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:16 PMkedelin wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:10 PMFriars staff damage is too high.... no reason a friar should melee 30 percent harder against a chain wearing class them my rr6 skald with44 weapon hitting leather
Friars only hit so hard because they're on the same damage table as valewalkers (without the procs).
Also keep in mind, that you're a hybrid DPS/interrupt toon as well. Do you think a skald should have the capability of being able to mezz/snare/dd-interrupt/kite and also be capable of dishing out Friar dps numbers? - I would vote [NO] YES
I never said I should out dps as a hybrid... but as a hybrid with buffs, top tear heals, resist, heal proc, cure ns should not do 30 percent more damage then another hybrid with same or less utility... especially when against top tier armour and friar is in leather.. I was just stating that friars don't need anymore love... if anything they got a Lil too much as is but everyone keeps crying they need more still
Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:54 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
kedelin wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:46 PMAmp_Phetamine wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:16 PMkedelin wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:10 PMFriars staff damage is too high.... no reason a friar should melee 30 percent harder against a chain wearing class them my rr6 skald with44 weapon hitting leather
Friars only hit so hard because they're on the same damage table as valewalkers (without the procs).
Also keep in mind, that you're a hybrid DPS/interrupt toon as well. Do you think a skald should have the capability of being able to mezz/snare/dd-interrupt/kite and also be capable of dishing out Friar dps numbers? - I would vote [NO] YES
I never said I should out dps as a hybrid... but as a hybrid with buffs, top tear heals, resist, heal proc, cure ns should not do 30 percent more damage then another hybrid with same or less utility... especially when against top tier armour and friar is in leather.. I was just stating that friars don't need anymore love... if anything they got a Lil too much as is but everyone keeps crying they need more still
Yeah I think Friars are about as fine as they can be without destabilizing them. Melee friars are fantastic for small man and solo. Rejuv/enhance friars are definitely in a better position than they were, you can still argue one way or the other about the 2nd heal spot going to friar/cleric, I'd like to see a cleric/cleric/friar/sorc/minst - setup.
Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:04 PM
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Bradekes
Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:16 PMFriars only hit so hard because they're on the same damage table as valewalkers (without the procs).
Friar also has one of the best anytime style in the whole game... Their taunt is .70 growthrate with hit bonus and no defense penalty lol
Thu 4 Apr 2019 9:55 PM
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Blitze
I have always loved that style!
Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:52 AM
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jg777
I’d happily trade some DPS for more group focused buffs for the Friar- I know they are good solo/small man, but if I were considering rolling a Friar I’d want to increase my group viability more than anything as that’s the RvR most desired. Then I’d be able to play a Friar in any form and have fun (PvE/RvR solo/small man/ full group).
Sat 6 Apr 2019 11:51 AM
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MadDog
djegu wrote: ↑Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:01 PMThe other day i saw a friar destroying 4 people (lv 50) at the same time, 15mn after he destroyed 2 people and he was at 90%. What friar need now ? Stealth ? DI ? SOS ? maybe amnesia ?
I saw this Friar too ! He walked past hibs frontier keep Killing all purple guard. He was at 60% hp when he entered Hibs pve zone like Nothing happened.
Man this friar is so strong !
Sat 6 Apr 2019 5:25 PM
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manningfresh
Only issue with winning 1v2/3/4's is no one fights you anymore 
Mon 8 Apr 2019 3:03 PM
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Amp_Phetamine
Haha I've seen your friar as well. I've been running into that problem as well. Phixion and I had good back to back fights but unless I run directly over the player or its 2+ no sin pops on me anymore
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