Runemaster AE ROOT - Phoenix Freeshard

Everything is in the title..
This class NEED some more cc tools
Runemaster is "the disgraced one" between Eldricht (stun+aemezz) and Wizard (root+aeroot), and giving him some more CC abilities will be appreciated

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:08 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Algarakai wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:43 PM
Everything is in the title..
This class NEED some more cc tools
Runemaster is "the disgraced one" between Eldricht (stun+aemezz) and Wizard (root+aeroot), and giving him some more CC abilities will be appreciated

You get the same CC capabilities as a Wizard, correct?

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:13 PM by dansari

Algarakai wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:43 PM
Everything is in the title..
This class NEED some more cc tools
Runemaster is "the disgraced one" between Eldricht (stun+aemezz) and Wizard (root+aeroot), and giving him some more CC abilities will be appreciated

As someone with an (albeit low rr) RM, I disagree.

Neither of those two classes supply group bubbles in their AOE cc lines (which includes their nearsight), unlike RM. Midgard cc is also tied to other classes: the infamous, overrated AOE stun; shaman roots, etc.

Amp_Phetamine wrote: You get the same CC capabilities as a Wizard, correct?

No, RM only gets base single target root like all(?) casters

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:17 PM by Amp_Phetamine

dansari wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:13 PM
Algarakai wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:43 PM
Everything is in the title..
This class NEED some more cc tools
Runemaster is "the disgraced one" between Eldricht (stun+aemezz) and Wizard (root+aeroot), and giving him some more CC abilities will be appreciated

As someone with an (albeit low rr) RM, I disagree.

Neither of those two classes supply group bubbles in their AOE cc lines (which includes their nearsight), unlike RM. Midgard cc is also tied to other classes: the infamous, overrated AOE stun; shaman roots, etc.

Amp_Phetamine wrote: You get the same CC capabilities as a Wizard, correct?

No, RM only gets base single target root like all(?) casters

Yeah, the only advantage a Wizard would kind of have is spec AoE root in Earth (with DD+snare). Other then that just a single target root as well.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:20 PM by Blitze

Quick check of the Phoenix herald shows that RMs are doing fine (4x better that wizards in fact).

There are 81 RR5 RMs and only 19 Wizards...

There needs to be significant wizards buffs before RMs receive any love.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:22 PM by dansari

Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:17 PM
Yeah, the only advantage a Wizard would kind of have is spec AoE root in Earth (with DD+snare). Other then that just a single target root as well.

ofc though that is OP's point.. RM is lacking cc tools compared to some other casters. I agree that it's lacking cc tools but disagree that it's an issue that should be changed.

Blitze wrote: There needs to be significant wizards buffs before RMs receive any love.

This is false and an example of "whataboutism." Balance isn't done based on # of classes played.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:23 PM by Amp_Phetamine

dansari wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:22 PM
Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:17 PM
Yeah, the only advantage a Wizard would kind of have is spec AoE root in Earth (with DD+snare). Other then that just a single target root as well.

ofc though that is OP's point.. RM is lacking cc tools compared to some other casters. I agree that it's lacking cc tools but disagree that it's an issue that should be changed.

Blitze wrote: There needs to be significant wizards buffs before RMs receive any love.

This is false and an example of "whataboutism." Balance isn't done based on # of classes played.

Thankfully consideration of the realm as a whole is taken into account before posters cry foul in their glass shops of Mirrors.

Midgard has 1 class that will be the reason why Runemasters don't earn any additional CC capability (not like they need it anyways) and that is the Healer.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:30 PM by Blitze

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Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:31 PM by Blitze

Plenty of people play wizards, they just aren’t played in RvR... there may be many reasons for that, but it’s probably cos they just aren’t very good and are easily outperformed by all other similar classes; RMs and Elds are very similar just have more utility.

In summary, Wizards are really struggling to get RRs either cos people don’t play them or they suck but probably both. (RMs aren’t struggling)

Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:58 PM by Quik

Algarakai wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:43 PM
Everything is in the title..
This class NEED some more cc tools
Runemaster is "the disgraced one" between Eldricht (stun+aemezz) and Wizard (root+aeroot), and giving him some more CC abilities will be appreciated

So you want AE Root, and I am guessing you want to keep PBT?

How about we replace PBT with AE Root!!! Problem solved!!!

Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:05 AM by Algarakai

ok , lets do it
i prefer by far AEROOT than a quasi useless 10 sec PBT

Let s get a look at the situation :
Wizard ,=> 3 bolt (2 fire+1 Earth) + AE Root + PBAOE + NS (Bonus, Wizziie can debuff their Own Damage in every spec!)
Eldricht => AE Mezz + AE Disease + NS + Stun

Runemaster=> NS+Speed Song (a minor one, don t expect to outrun Minstrel or Bard) + Pbt ….

You see the point i want to make ?

Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:32 AM by Lollie

RM gets NS, and can debuff their own damage as well?

Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:36 PM by Algarakai

only in darkness spec (cold debuff)

and i think it s the same for the Eldricht (energy debuff)

Wizard can debuff on heat (fire spec), Matter (earth spec) and cold (ice spec)

Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:08 PM by teiloh

Algarakai wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:05 AM
ok , lets do it
i prefer by far AEROOT than a quasi useless 10 sec PBT

Let s get a look at the situation :
Wizard ,=> 3 bolt (2 fire+1 Earth) + AE Root + PBAOE + NS (Bonus, Wizziie can debuff their Own Damage in every spec!)
Eldricht => AE Mezz + AE Disease + NS + Stun

Runemaster=> NS+Speed Song (a minor one, don t expect to outrun Minstrel or Bard) + Pbt ….

You see the point i want to make ?

LOL.

PBAE rarely kills people in RvR and you're NOT going to have three bolts worth using in a PBAE spec. Sure, Fire Wiz could technically 15% debuff his damage for 15 delve seconds ... meanwhile Dark runies can AOE debuff their own damage by 10% for 1 minute.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:49 PM by kratoxin

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:08 PM
Algarakai wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:05 AM
ok , lets do it
i prefer by far AEROOT than a quasi useless 10 sec PBT

Let s get a look at the situation :
Wizard ,=> 3 bolt (2 fire+1 Earth) + AE Root + PBAOE + NS (Bonus, Wizziie can debuff their Own Damage in every spec!)
Eldricht => AE Mezz + AE Disease + NS + Stun

Runemaster=> NS+Speed Song (a minor one, don t expect to outrun Minstrel or Bard) + Pbt ….

You see the point i want to make ?

LOL.

PBAE rarely kills people in RvR and you're NOT going to have three bolts worth using in a PBAE spec. Sure, Fire Wiz could technically 15% debuff his damage for 15 delve seconds ... meanwhile Dark runies can AOE debuff their own damage by 10% for 1 minute.

wow man darkness RM's are OP.. get barely any utility compared to a wizard, your point? that's why it's a increased duration

and if a runey aoe debuffs that is dumb on their part breaking CC... unless they are zerging.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:37 PM by Dariussdars

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:49 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:08 PM
Algarakai wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:05 AM
ok , lets do it
i prefer by far AEROOT than a quasi useless 10 sec PBT

Let s get a look at the situation :
Wizard ,=> 3 bolt (2 fire+1 Earth) + AE Root + PBAOE + NS (Bonus, Wizziie can debuff their Own Damage in every spec!)
Eldricht => AE Mezz + AE Disease + NS + Stun

Runemaster=> NS+Speed Song (a minor one, don t expect to outrun Minstrel or Bard) + Pbt ….

You see the point i want to make ?

LOL.

PBAE rarely kills people in RvR and you're NOT going to have three bolts worth using in a PBAE spec. Sure, Fire Wiz could technically 15% debuff his damage for 15 delve seconds ... meanwhile Dark runies can AOE debuff their own damage by 10% for 1 minute.
wow man darkness RM's are OP.. get barely any utility compared to a wizard, your point? that's why it's a increased duration

and if a runey aoe debuffs that is dumb on their part breaking CC... unless they are zerging.

Earth wizard is way better than any form of RM. Earth got buffed way too much, while fire and ice are still severely sub par specs.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:41 PM by kratoxin

I was being sarcastic about RM being OP

lol

Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:45 PM by Zzang

I don't think Runemasters need AE root but as I have made a post about before Earth Wizards could use a nerf.

If you look at the different available tools for a runemaster they are pretty equal to their counterparts in my opinion, what many people miss out on is
1) Dex/str debuff baseline (very effective if used correctly)
2) Baseline caster speed (since most groups run skald speed anyway)
3) Confuse in suppression spec (kill shrooms and theu pets)
4) Haste debuff in suppression spec (try playing a 2h melee with 35% haste debuff vs PBT)

Suppression spec is the one I see the least but in my opinion is the best of all the 3 specs, it requires a good player and a somewhat good group to shine but it has everything you want as a supporting caster.

Only the cold spec seems a bit lacking but so does Void eld and Enchantment Enchanter and many of the Albion spec lines for casters as well

Off topic -

When I see people making statements like "Oh, this class is doing fine because you have xx amount of rr5+ on this server" it kinda makes me cringe. Looking at how many player choose and stick with a class does not necessarily state their current balance, even if it's not totally irrelevant.

I think one of the main reasons alb groups have not picked up on running earth wizards in groups are that people are not so fond of trying new stuff, they want to run the old meta setups that were effective 10 years ago because - well, they like it? I see great potential for earth wizards being very effective, Egowiz is one of those who has made it succeed.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:32 PM by teiloh

Zzang wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:45 PM
I think one of the main reasons alb groups have not picked up on running earth wizards in groups are that people are not so fond of trying new stuff, they want to run the old meta setups that were effective 10 years ago because - well, they like it? I see great potential for earth wizards being very effective, Egowiz is one of those who has made it succeed.

The main reason is that the Wizard debuffs for himself and other Wizards only. Fitting two Wizards on a group makes a niche setup that can work but requires a lot of coordination to make up for everything you sacrifice.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 10:03 PM by Zzang

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:32 PM
Zzang wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:45 PM
I think one of the main reasons alb groups have not picked up on running earth wizards in groups are that people are not so fond of trying new stuff, they want to run the old meta setups that were effective 10 years ago because - well, they like it? I see great potential for earth wizards being very effective, Egowiz is one of those who has made it succeed.

The main reason is that the Wizard debuffs for himself and other Wizards only. Fitting two Wizards on a group makes a niche setup that can work but requires a lot of coordination to make up for everything you sacrifice.

Cold debuff works for Theurgist as well and Reaver Leviathan hits like a truck on debuffed targets. However I do get your point that it's not the most convenient class to add unlike a caba who debuffs for himself and the sorc which is mandatory in 99% of alb groups, now even a 2nd sorc can do great dps and add more value to the group.

That being said if this server lasts for a while I think we will see a few groups adapting the wizard playstyle especially if the current meta of "Zerginess" goes on.

Tue 30 Apr 2019 7:59 AM by Algarakai

teiloh => 1/ PBAOE rarely kill...ok…. but its quite useful when you have some angry stealther around, 2/ Wizard can AOE debuff too as well
Zsang => "4) Haste debuff in suppression spec (try playing a 2h melee with 35% haste debuff vs PBT)" , hum...there s NO haste debuff in suppression spec
Dariussdars => i m totally agreed with you about Earth Wizard

So..everyone praying for his own chapel, but stop telling me that RM are equal to Wizz or Eld

Tue 30 Apr 2019 2:12 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Each class has a ceiling and a floor in terms of built in capability. But player knowledge and "skill" also play a role. Wiz/Eld/RM all have their pluses and minuses and, depending on who is playing the class, can be played exceptionally well, or not.

They will never be "equal" because this isn't WoW..