@#$%$ Gray gankers! - Phoenix Freeshard

So I get on my 25 chanter and go out to Cruachan for some leveling. I notice the realm defense is for hib lands, and there is 35 min left on task timer. So I think cool I can also get MCL while out there.

32 minutes go by. I see 5 alb groups. 3 mid groups. 2 solo mids and a solo alb. They wave, They dance, they emote!! WTF I thought the mids would start singing Kum baya!

What has this server turned into when you can't even get ganked?? Luckily some gray ganking loser um nice guy killed me with 1 min left and I got the task and my MCL!! But geez that was down to the wire.

Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:32 PM by waffel

Wow, cool thread. Do you have a blog so I can read your other exciting DAoC stories?

Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:36 PM by Riac

Warjon wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:15 PM
So I get on my 25 chanter and go out to Cruachan for some leveling. I notice the realm defense is for hib lands, and there is 35 min left on task timer. So I think cool I can also get MCL while out there.

32 minutes go by. I see 5 alb groups. 3 mid groups. 2 solo mids and a solo alb. They wave, They dance, they emote!! WTF I thought the mids would start singing Kum baya!

What has this server turned into when you can't even get ganked?? Luckily some gray ganking loser um nice guy killed me with 1 min left and I got the task and my MCL!! But geez that was down to the wire.

I wish they wouldn't have killed you, it's ridiculous you are rewarded to suicide. Even if this satirical it's stupid this is in the game

Thu 4 Apr 2019 12:48 AM by Warjon

I had/have mixed feelings on these realm tasks, but I must admit it does cause smallman action. I have seen a number of singles, duos, trios. The other day on another toon I had a one on one with an OJ shammie. I doubt either of us would have bothered to be out there, given the travel times, without these win or lose incentives,. So I am starting to see that the rp tasks are keeping with the flavor of the server. Because of time constraints I usually just level up BG toons. Now I find myself with 1- 50 and I am working up a couple more. Use to love sm man action.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 3:53 AM by weewoozesty

I KNOW RIGHT?!?! These grey gankers are like taxi cabs in new york, when you want one they're never there to be found. But when you don't want one at the moment because you're doing something else. They are all over the place like cockroaches.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 4:24 AM by Warlay

dont understand your problem

just attack them, they will crush you for free

Thu 4 Apr 2019 7:24 AM by Kohi

Happened to me few times too last month, when i was still running baby sm & healer during tasks. Was ignored, sometimes mezzed and let like this, to avoid probably giving me the rp crumbles which are so much unbalancing the realms. ^^
Pity for them, twice i followed them and added consequently from behind with stuns, pet, mezz, focusing on healer & caster classes resulting in them to wipe to another grp. Karma's a bitch, isn't it ? ;-)
When i see a grey during tasks, i kill him as i know why he's out there. We all want to get few rps for getting essentials, dont understand the drama about it on this forum.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:13 AM by lurker

It could be unrelated but since the tasks have come in it certainly seems more difficult to get an exp group.

A lot of guys are just running around the frontiers suiciding to get thier exp/rp boost every 15 mins.

This seems especially true in Alb where its quite difficult to find a group if you dont fit in the cabby/necro focus meta. Those that do fit this meta continue to exp normally, since its super fast.

Those that dont generally dont seem to bother to form grps as its ‘hit or miss’ if it will be faster than just suiciding every 15 mins. Certainly it is less effort.

As I say they could be totally unrelated but certainly feels its having an impact on finding grips. I personally think the exp rewards for the realm tasks should be reduced significantly or even removed totally.

This seems particularly to impact later levels.. 25+ when exping slows down a bit.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:20 AM by Kohi

lurker wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:13 AM
It could be unrelated but since the tasks have come in it certainly seems more difficult to get an exp group.

A lot of guys are just running around the frontiers suiciding to get thier exp/rp boost every 15 mins.

This seems especially true in Alb where its quite difficult to find a group if you dont find in the cabby/necro focus meta.
Those that do fit this meta continue to exp normally, since its super fast.

Those that dont generally wont bother to form as its hit or miss if it will be faster than just getting ganged every 15 mins. Certainly it is less effort.

As I say they could be totally unrelated but certainly feels its having an impact on finding grips. I personally think the exp rewards for the realm tasks should be reduced significantly or even removed totally.

Pretty surprised to hear that oO We're still fine on mid, with people going for uppland/yggdra as before, but also mainland classic/si, whatever the lvl. I even saw a grp in vendo this week iirc. For sure, if we can we like going DF when it's open for us too. Wonder how it is on hib regarding this ?
PS : i think it's fine as it is, should only be turned off or reduced from rr 4-5 (as u then usually not run for suicide or add, but to fight).

Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:42 AM by lurker

It depends on classes as I say.

If you are trying to level a tank on alb its particularly difficult since finding clerics who will run in a tank group when they could just wait around and find a focus group is tricky. The tasks didn’t change this, its always difficult to find support for non focus groups. However... It used to be the case that tank groups typically would run in a sub-optimal setup and advertise for quite some time until eventually find a friar or cleric to come level with them, wasn’t perfect but did used to happen. Nowadays it seems people will log on and go suiciding rather than forming with a sub-optimal setup (and advertising for support). Since it is ‘OK reward for minimal effort’ Vs ‘OK reward for lots of effort’.

Mid doesn’t really have these issues since focus pulling doesn’t happen. So Healers, shamans and other support are around and ready to join a tank group and the rewards for levelling in a tank group with celerity are pretty decent rather than just OK. Mid certainly is the most inclusive realm in terms of non-caster focused groups.

I’m not suggesting they remove the realm tasks, only reduce the exp reward element. To make ‘suicide levelling’ less appealing vs forming a non-perfect group setup. The RP rewards can stay as they are. I’m assuming most rr4-rr5 guys are 50.

Obviously this is just opinion and based on anecdotal evidence.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 9:53 AM by Kohi

I see. So u want them to remove/reduce the exp miniboost from the tic ? (task)
Tbh, i never had the feeling that it was really that much (lesser than a bub or so ? idr). *scratch his head* It's somehow difficult for me to imagine somebody lvling at task only... oO Makes somehow no sense considering all the QoL around, eggs, exp items, % mobs, mob type task, dungeon bonus, rvr bonus, df bonus... Hell, i lvled most of my melee to 90% solo and a good part of them before they even introduced the high % mobs + df task + rvr tasks (tics).
But i feel ya, regarding the pp setup with supp/casters. Here as on live/uth, i always -when playing pp class- take in everything incl. sneaks once i had my base (i.e. ench menta druid ae + whatever/sm sm shami healer + whatever). Now, as said, when u see all the "+" that we have on phoenix to lvl, i wouldn't even bother to find a grp with my tanks, pots + tinder, gtg, following the exp item mob route or df. As for the rvr tasks, i never do/did them all day long, mostly till i get my mcl & serenity for my casters, bit mob for my shield, etc. (generally 1l6-2l0 max, then focus on 50)

Thu 4 Apr 2019 10:11 AM by Pops999

What are you so afraid of, competition? All those little gray rp leechers, getting their free welfare points eating into your advantage? Getting an entire bulb of xp 4 times an hour! Is using this CATCH UP mechanic to at least level the playing field somewhat cutting into your obvious super gameplay? Are you feeling the pressure of one shotting?

If you can't handle PvP stay out of the Frontier.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 10:18 AM by lurker

Pops999 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 10:11 AM
What are you so afraid of, competition? All those little gray rp leechers, getting their free welfare points eating into your advantage? Getting an entire bulb of xp 4 times an hour! Is using this CATCH UP mechanic to at least level the playing field somewhat cutting into your obvious super gameplay? Are you feeling the pressure of one shotting?

If you can't handle PvP stay out of the Frontier.

Not sure who you are responding to? Because I think you have missed the point. Nobody in this thread is suggesting what you say they are...

Thu 4 Apr 2019 10:44 AM by Pops999

Look a little closer.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 11:08 AM by majky666

Warjon wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:15 PM
So I get on my 25 chanter and go out to Cruachan for some leveling. I notice the realm defense is for hib lands, and there is 35 min left on task timer. So I think cool I can also get MCL while out there.

32 minutes go by. I see 5 alb groups. 3 mid groups. 2 solo mids and a solo alb. They wave, They dance, they emote!! WTF I thought the mids would start singing Kum baya!

What has this server turned into when you can't even get ganked?? Luckily some gray ganking loser um nice guy killed me with 1 min left and I got the task and my MCL!! But geez that was down to the wire.

Why you are complaining? They do a favor to you, free RPS for you.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 2:13 PM by waffel

majky666 wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 11:08 AM
Warjon wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 11:15 PM
So I get on my 25 chanter and go out to Cruachan for some leveling. I notice the realm defense is for hib lands, and there is 35 min left on task timer. So I think cool I can also get MCL while out there.

32 minutes go by. I see 5 alb groups. 3 mid groups. 2 solo mids and a solo alb. They wave, They dance, they emote!! WTF I thought the mids would start singing Kum baya!

What has this server turned into when you can't even get ganked?? Luckily some gray ganking loser um nice guy killed me with 1 min left and I got the task and my MCL!! But geez that was down to the wire.

Why you are complaining? They do a favor to you, free RPS for you.

Did you read the post? Or maybe just not comprehend it...?

Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:59 PM by lurker

I guess the OPs sarcasm doesn't come across to all who read it. xD

Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:10 PM by Sepplord

lurker wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 6:59 PM
I guess the OPs sarcasm doesn't come across to all who read it. xD

But someone Not getting the sarcasm would believe OP is upset about not getting killed...and bot make a comment about how gettibg killed is a favor.

Majjky666 simply didn't bother to read before replying. Bad for forums but not as rare as it should be

Thu 4 Apr 2019 11:10 PM by Warjon

Well as my OPs said I have had mixed feeling on the realm tasks. Hence I didn't attack anyone passing by hunting better prey than me. I do not like the idea of just running out to cide. That seems a little bit like abusing the system. Yet getting some rps early on is nice for leveling and in the end I think we all want to see more 50s out there.

Having fought the solo Oj I also would not mind seeing more of that. Seeing him in Savage I took as a good sign. He can't be the only solo braving the odds. I just hope the other duos and trios that past by also found other small man action. But red is dead, so...

As the one guy said, it was a little like looking for a cab. It feels like every time one puts a group together to xp in the frontier you are wiped very fast. /shrug it is fun when we all believe our anecdotal evidence is true fact!

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:25 PM by SaintRon

lurker wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:13 AM
It could be unrelated but since the tasks have come in it certainly seems more difficult to get an exp group.

A lot of guys are just running around the frontiers suiciding to get thier exp/rp boost every 15 mins.

This seems especially true in Alb where its quite difficult to find a group if you dont fit in the cabby/necro focus meta. Those that do fit this meta continue to exp normally, since its super fast.

Those that dont generally dont seem to bother to form grps as its ‘hit or miss’ if it will be faster than just suiciding every 15 mins. Certainly it is less effort.

As I say they could be totally unrelated but certainly feels its having an impact on finding grips. I personally think the exp rewards for the realm tasks should be reduced significantly or even removed totally.

This seems particularly to impact later levels.. 25+ when exping slows down a bit.

Before you say this you really need to look at the class populations in your realm.

By far the top classes are necro's, cabalists and clerics. None of which are having issues getting groups or xping in general. All the "non-essential" pve classes are usually having to solo. This isn't because of rvr tasks, but because people want to min max their xp grinding.

You couldn't be more objectively wrong or clueless if you tried. I'm sitting here wondering how you even got this impression?

Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:29 PM by kistfd3s

SaintRon wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:25 PM
Before you say this you really need to look at the class populations in your realm.

By far the top classes are necro's, cabalists and clerics. None of which are having issues getting groups or xping in general. All the "non-essential" pve classes are usually having to solo. This isn't because of rvr tasks, but because people want to min max their xp grinding.

You couldn't be more objectively wrong or clueless if you tried. I'm sitting here wondering how you even got this impression?

This response is just ridiculous man, relax. First of all its almost as if you didn't really comprehend what he was saying, your sentence discussing necros, cabbys, and clerics actually reinforces exactly what he said.

lurker wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:13 AM
This seems especially true in Alb where its quite difficult to find a group if you dont fit in the cabby/necro focus meta. Those that do fit this meta continue to exp normally, since its super fast.

Those that dont generally dont seem to bother to form grps as its ‘hit or miss’ if it will be faster than just suiciding every 15 mins. Certainly it is less effort.

How about you provide some evidence to back up your claims? You just say its because people want to min max their xp grinding, what evidence do you have of that? There's plenty of evidence to support what lurker said, I run into grey and green cons constantly. Beyond that personally I'd tend to agree with him, I'm guilty of doing it myself. Sometimes I have stuff to do around the house, and at 40+ in particular, you get ~50% of a bubble per task. So I can run out, try my best, die, go afk, do stuff around my house, get exp and RPs, and then come back and do it again, all while being productive around my house. This effectively removes me from the pool of people looking for a group. Now add every other person going out into RvR and suiciding to that pool, it's not an insignificant number.

I see you jump down peoples throats based off your own misunderstanding all the time, and it's getting a little ridiculous.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:29 PM by lurker

SaintRon wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:25 PM
lurker wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:13 AM
It could be unrelated but since the tasks have come in it certainly seems more difficult to get an exp group.

A lot of guys are just running around the frontiers suiciding to get thier exp/rp boost every 15 mins.

This seems especially true in Alb where its quite difficult to find a group if you dont fit in the cabby/necro focus meta. Those that do fit this meta continue to exp normally, since its super fast.

Those that dont generally dont seem to bother to form grps as its ‘hit or miss’ if it will be faster than just suiciding every 15 mins. Certainly it is less effort.

As I say they could be totally unrelated but certainly feels its having an impact on finding grips. I personally think the exp rewards for the realm tasks should be reduced significantly or even removed totally.

This seems particularly to impact later levels.. 25+ when exping slows down a bit.

Before you say this you really need to look at the class populations in your realm.

By far the top classes are necro's, cabalists and clerics. None of which are having issues getting groups or xping in general. All the "non-essential" pve classes are usually having to solo. This isn't because of rvr tasks, but because people want to min max their xp grinding.

You couldn't be more objectively wrong or clueless if you tried. I'm sitting here wondering how you even got this impression?

Lol dude chill out. What’s is wrong with you people!?

Read what I said again....

1st... I explicitly stated ‘this is obviously opinion and based on anecdotal evidence’ (see other post)

2nd... I stated (see other post) that obviously tasks didn’t explicitly cause this (its always been an issue) but that exp rewards for tasks may have caused some non pve-essential (as you put it) classes to not bother making non-prime off groups as they can level more effectively without it now by suicide levelling / soloing in between rather than forming an off-group.

As an aside, they changed focus shield damage yesterday which has had / will have a positive effect on non-focus groups being built in alb IMO. We got 2 clerics in our tank group for the first time ever (level 30) last night.

Primarily though.... try engaging with people and discussing rather than just going round calling people clueless, this is generally good advice in life and you may find you benefit from just generally being a more amicable person. Good luck!

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:15 PM by SaintRon

kistfd3s wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:29 PM
SaintRon wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:25 PM
Before you say this you really need to look at the class populations in your realm.

By far the top classes are necro's, cabalists and clerics. None of which are having issues getting groups or xping in general. All the "non-essential" pve classes are usually having to solo. This isn't because of rvr tasks, but because people want to min max their xp grinding.

You couldn't be more objectively wrong or clueless if you tried. I'm sitting here wondering how you even got this impression?

This response is just ridiculous man, relax. First of all its almost as if you didn't really comprehend what he was saying, your sentence discussing necros, cabbys, and clerics actually reinforces exactly what he said.

lurker wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 8:13 AM
This seems especially true in Alb where its quite difficult to find a group if you dont fit in the cabby/necro focus meta. Those that do fit this meta continue to exp normally, since its super fast.

Those that dont generally dont seem to bother to form grps as its ‘hit or miss’ if it will be faster than just suiciding every 15 mins. Certainly it is less effort.

How about you provide some evidence to back up your claims? You just say its because people want to min max their xp grinding, what evidence do you have of that? There's plenty of evidence to support what lurker said, I run into grey and green cons constantly. Beyond that personally I'd tend to agree with him, I'm guilty of doing it myself. Sometimes I have stuff to do around the house, and at 40+ in particular, you get ~50% of a bubble per task. So I can run out, try my best, die, go afk, do stuff around my house, get exp and RPs, and then come back and do it again, all while being productive around my house. This effectively removes me from the pool of people looking for a group. Now add every other person going out into RvR and suiciding to that pool, it's not an insignificant number.

I see you jump down peoples throats based off your own misunderstanding all the time, and it's getting a little ridiculous.

It's honestly a little ridiculous that both you and him don't get that removing xp options doesn't help create XP groups. If we removed Phoenix eggs would that help get more people into xp groups? No. It would enforce an already skewed class line up in each realm. The Merc or Scout isn't getting a group either way.

Or people just get bored and leave.

And you really need proof that people min max during leveling? Really? You got a guy crying that the focus shield adjustment has ruined his leveling experience.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:23 PM by kistfd3s

SaintRon wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:15 PM
It's honestly a little ridiculous that both you and him don't get that removing xp options doesn't help create XP groups. If we removed Phoenix eggs would that help get more people into xp groups? No. It would enforce an already skewed class line up in each realm. The Merc or Scout isn't getting a group either way.

Or people just get bored and leave.

And you really need proof that people min max during leveling? Really? You got a guy crying that the focus shield adjustment has ruined his leveling experience.

You still seem to be struggling with your comprehension.

No one said removing "exp options" would help create exp groups.

What we ARE saying, is that by providing these EXP options, it has an impact on the number of people who are actively seeking groups at any given time.

Those two things are not the same.

And honestly, no, I don't care about whether or not people are min/maxing during leveling, and I'm sure some people do, the same way some people would rather suicide in RvR and go farm kill tasks between task resets. I was just pointing out that you also make claims without any evidence to back them up.

edit: fixed typos

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:30 PM by SaintRon

kistfd3s wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:23 PM
SaintRon wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:15 PM
It's honestly a little ridiculous that both you and him don't get that removing xp options doesn't help create XP groups. If we removed Phoenix eggs would that help get more people into xp groups? No. It would enforce an already skewed class line up in each realm. The Merc or Scout isn't getting a group either way.

Or people just get bored and leave.

And you really need proof that people min max during leveling? Really? You got a guy crying that the focus shield adjustment has ruined his leveling experience.

Your still seem to be struggling with your comprehension.

No one said removing "exp options" would help create exp groups.

What we ARE saying, is that by providing these EXP options, it has an impact on the number of people who are actively seeking groups at any given time.

Those two things are not the same.

And honestly, no, I don't care about whether or not people are min/maxing during leveling, and I'm sure some people do, the same way some people would rather suicide in RvR and go farm kill tasks between task resets. I was just pointing out that you also make claims without any evidence to back them up.

What evidence would really work here? You could look at alb and hib class balance. You could also look at groups recruiting. You could also look at how people go LFG.

I'm sure there's some info dev side that shows xp income by class.

The connection I see is that less people looking for groups does not mean less groups are available or those people are people that would have grouped. (Other than people purposely going against the grain or the BM making his own bomb group + him lol)

Fri 5 Apr 2019 8:42 PM by kistfd3s

SaintRon wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:30 PM
What evidence would really work here? You could look at alb and hib class balance. You could also look at groups recruiting. You could also look at how people go LFG.

I'm sure there's some info dev side that shows xp income by class.

The connection I see is that less people looking for groups does not mean less groups are available or those people are people that would have grouped. (Other than people purposely going against the grain or the BM making his own bomb group + him lol)

I'd have to really sit down and think about it if I wanted to come up with a way to empirically prove people were min/maxing, but I'm sure its possible.

As I said previously:

kistfd3s wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:23 PM
I'm sure some people do, the same way some people would rather suicide in RvR and go farm kill tasks between task resets.