What spec do Rangers use to level?

Full Bow and weapon, rest PF?

A little of everything, minus Stealth?

Wed 27 Mar 2019 7:53 PM by Leandrys

Full bow, at least until lvl 27 for the last crit show, after that you can slow down a bit on bow to give priority to other specs.

Beside bow, you want to improve your ranged damage's output, so PF for add damages and d/q buff (which will get better than pots at blue or yellow level, i don't remember if the blue one outperforms the pot's buff, must be almost equivalent at the worst).

And for the rest, go for a 4.2 blade (even if luri/elf) with a few points to improve a bit WS and a bit more points in CS to get the anytime and evade styles, should be good to go for chaining yellows all day long, you can even chain oranges if you add tinderboxes.

Important stuff, always cap dext/quick for bow, use a dropped 5.4 for procs or crafted 5.5 bow, try to cap or almost so your spec bonus on armor and loots, one dext buff pot, endurance, with tinderboxes as i said, you'll be chaining oranges and can even easily go for red on solo later on, place your crit shot and one or two more arrows, then sprint away from the mob, stealth, crit shot again, etc, you can kite in a pretty efficient way with rangers.

Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:38 PM by Emeryc

There is absolutely no reason to go full bow. Autotraining bow will give you plenty of ranged damage and every other point spent in it will reduce your overall damage output and survivability. Keep PF at whatever level you need to get the highest DA, Dex/Quick, Str buff (in that order) available... even in the first few levels, keep PF maxed as nothing will increase your DPS more than the DA in PF. Here is a list of levels at which you want to have PF maxed:
5: first DA
6: first Dex/Quick
(7: Str buff... your choice on this, but if you're going Blades, I'd suggest it.)
(8: Af buff... your choice again.)
10: next DA
12: next Dex/Quick
13: next Str buff
... and follow suit until at least 36 or 40.

Put the rest into Blades/Pierce (your choice) and CD. Obviously, there is no need for stealth while leveling.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:28 PM by Kyera

I'm still leveling a Ranger. I kept Archery at level-1, Pathfinding at level-2, leftovers Pierce (in hindsight I would go Blades). Took CD to 4 for the evade style early on. Nothing in Stealth.

In hindsight, I would have let Archery lag quite a bit and buffed up my melee, but I generally only spend 1-2 swings in melee, and once I got Dex/End pots, rarely even had to do that (chaining at-level kill task mobs, so yellows and oranges). Emeryc's suggestion probably still works considering you don't 'lose' much in PvE for letting Archery lag behind, and would let you mop up more easily if you miss shots.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:46 PM by DinoTriz

Kyera wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:28 PM
I'm still leveling a Ranger. I kept Archery at level-1, Pathfinding at level-2, leftovers Pierce (in hindsight I would go Blades). Took CD to 4 for the evade style early on. Nothing in Stealth.

In hindsight, I would have let Archery lag quite a bit and buffed up my melee, but I generally only spend 1-2 swings in melee, and once I got Dex/End pots, rarely even had to do that (chaining at-level kill task mobs, so yellows and oranges). Emeryc's suggestion probably still works considering you don't 'lose' much in PvE for letting Archery lag behind, and would let you mop up more easily if you miss shots.

Excellent, thanks for the help guys.

I got my Ranger to 16 last night and I maxed out Bow with high PF and rest in Blades. It's effective, but I still struggle with orange mobs, so maybe I'll play around with lowering bow some.

Do higher levels of Crit Shot just lower draw time or does it also increase damage as well?

I wonder if I could get away with having Bow at 2/3rds my level or something.

I'll play with it since respecs are free after all.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 3:04 PM by Dominus

as others have eluded to, keeping bow at your level, and PF one level below works nicely. Once you are 20+ you'll start doing much better.. At this point, bring your melee weapon up to the first style, then keep increasing bow and PF. I finished my ranger in 2.5 days of actual play time using a combination of RvR tasks, XP item turn ins, and personal tasks in DF and FZ. Insanely fast.

I also recommend putting some trance music on and find a high spot in FZ and grind away on yellows/ojs for personal tasks. The height modifier to your bow range means mobs will never make it to you.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 11:02 PM by Emeryc

DinoTriz wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:46 PM
Kyera wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:28 PM
I'm still leveling a Ranger. I kept Archery at level-1, Pathfinding at level-2, leftovers Pierce (in hindsight I would go Blades). Took CD to 4 for the evade style early on. Nothing in Stealth.

In hindsight, I would have let Archery lag quite a bit and buffed up my melee, but I generally only spend 1-2 swings in melee, and once I got Dex/End pots, rarely even had to do that (chaining at-level kill task mobs, so yellows and oranges). Emeryc's suggestion probably still works considering you don't 'lose' much in PvE for letting Archery lag behind, and would let you mop up more easily if you miss shots.

Excellent, thanks for the help guys.

I got my Ranger to 16 last night and I maxed out Bow with high PF and rest in Blades. It's effective, but I still struggle with orange mobs, so maybe I'll play around with lowering bow some.

Do higher levels of Crit Shot just lower draw time or does it also increase damage as well?

I wonder if I could get away with having Bow at 2/3rds my level or something.

I'll play with it since respecs are free after all.

Higher levels of Critshot do not increase damage... it only lowers draw time. You will notice very small increases in bow DPS by increasing bow over autotrain. Your ROI for increasing PF and melee will be FAR, FAR greater... as well as gaining the AF buff which provides a little more survivability. I encourage you to play around with the specs everyone has mentioned... you'll see what I mean.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 8:32 AM by Halma

DinoTriz wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:46 PM
Excellent, thanks for the help guys.

I got my Ranger to 16 last night and I maxed out Bow with high PF and rest in Blades. It's effective, but I still struggle with orange mobs, so maybe I'll play around with lowering bow some.

On lower levels orange mobs are quite hard without any additional buffs or tinder boxes. I'd recommend to go to the frontier to get those boxes. The DPS increase is huge. I would even consider just to farm a bunch of green/blue con mobs just to get them for leveling. A green mob should die with 2 shots, drop rate of tinders is approx. 10%(not quite sure here, just a guess). You go from struggle with orange to sometimes kill them before they reach you with the dmg add provided by the tinder box. They're quite expensive in housing (because they're just this good for leveling/farming).
Also get some endurance pots for your level ("weak potion of invigoration" for lvl 10, "potion of invigoration" for lvl 20. Cost around 10g. You may also want to look for a potion of dexterity.
And of course get the "tireless" RA.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM by Leandrys

Emeryc wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:38 PM
There is absolutely no reason to go full bow. Autotraining bow will give you plenty of ranged damage and every other point spent in it will reduce your overall damage output and survivability. Keep PF at whatever level you need to get the highest DA, Dex/Quick, Str buff (in that order) available... even in the first few levels, keep PF maxed as nothing will increase your DPS more than the DA in PF. Here is a list of levels at which you want to have PF maxed:
5: first DA
6: first Dex/Quick
(7: Str buff... your choice on this, but if you're going Blades, I'd suggest it.)
(8: Af buff... your choice again.)
10: next DA
12: next Dex/Quick
13: next Str buff
... and follow suit until at least 36 or 40.

Put the rest into Blades/Pierce (your choice) and CD. Obviously, there is no need for stealth while leveling.

"Plenty of damages".

You do realize the sooner you get your next crit shot, the more you can chain mobs without them beeing able to reach you, as crit shot is what defines your initial burst and most of your total dps in pve right ? Why tanking creeps while you can just delete them with distance ?

Fri 29 Mar 2019 9:06 PM by Emeryc

Leandrys wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM
Emeryc wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:38 PM
There is absolutely no reason to go full bow. Autotraining bow will give you plenty of ranged damage and every other point spent in it will reduce your overall damage output and survivability. Keep PF at whatever level you need to get the highest DA, Dex/Quick, Str buff (in that order) available... even in the first few levels, keep PF maxed as nothing will increase your DPS more than the DA in PF. Here is a list of levels at which you want to have PF maxed:
5: first DA
6: first Dex/Quick
(7: Str buff... your choice on this, but if you're going Blades, I'd suggest it.)
(8: Af buff... your choice again.)
10: next DA
12: next Dex/Quick
13: next Str buff
... and follow suit until at least 36 or 40.

Put the rest into Blades/Pierce (your choice) and CD. Obviously, there is no need for stealth while leveling.

"Plenty of damages".

You do realize the sooner you get your next crit shot, the more you can chain mobs without them beeing able to reach you, as crit shot is what defines your initial burst and most of your total dps in pve right ? Why tanking creeps while you can just delete them with distance ?

Dude, seriously... I read your posts and it continually astounds me how you can be incorrect about so many things.

Sat 30 Mar 2019 3:28 AM by Leandrys

Da hell ? Argument of autorithy ftw ? Tanking creeps is faster than not having to tank them ?

What is your point ? What's your logic ? The slower is the faster ? Why would you even say a guy "go on, tank creep and lose HP, it's much faster than killing them at range" ? Do you even know what xp'ing a ranger is ? I've done an hunter and a ranger here, what's the point of melee when you have slowest bow possible and caped dext and d/q ?

Just give an answer, really i can't wait to read your explanations : how is is faster to be slower ?

"Plenty of damages with simply AT", do you even play that game ?

Sat 30 Mar 2019 6:09 AM by Emeryc

Leandrys wrote: ↑
Sat 30 Mar 2019 3:28 AM
Da hell ? Argument of autorithy ftw ? Tanking creeps is faster than not having to tank them ?

What is your point ? What's your logic ? The slower is the faster ? Why would you even say a guy "go on, tank creep and lose HP, it's much faster than killing them at range" ? Do you even know what xp'ing a ranger is ? I've done an hunter and a ranger here, what's the point of melee when you have slowest bow possible and caped dext and d/q ?

Just give an answer, really i can't wait to read your explanations : how is is faster to be slower ?

"Plenty of damages with simply AT", do you even play that game ?

Honest to god, I can't understand a f*cking word of this. I realize there may be a language issue and that's cool, but I seriously can't understand what the hell you're saying. What does "plenty of damages" mean and why do you keep typing it? And did you just enroll in an entry level Forensics course or something?

Increasing Dex has a larger impact on Bow DPS than increasing Bow spec... with an added benefit of increased evade chance and higher WS with pierce. Throw the DA in there and there is simply no contest between sinking points into PF versus into Bow.

To the OP, I encourage you to try full bow and AT bow and decide for yourself if those spec points are worth the increase in DPS. For the record, I like bow and RvR with a fairly high bow spec... but I recognize the hugely diminishing returns on speccing it.

Sat 30 Mar 2019 1:07 PM by Leandrys

Emeryc wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:38 PM
Autotraining bow will give you plenty of ranged damage

Dude. My dude. I'm quoting you.

You don't even know what you're writing, or what ?

I see augmenting your dexterity also allows you to evade my question, i'll repeat it then : what makes faster to tank creeps while not having to tank them when you're able to kill them at distance and chain without any downtime ? Will you understand that at some point ?

What is faster between losing health and not losing health ?

I don't know, are you able to read the question like this ?

Sat 30 Mar 2019 7:19 PM by Emeryc

Leandrys wrote: ↑
Sat 30 Mar 2019 1:07 PM
Emeryc wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Mar 2019 8:38 PM
Autotraining bow will give you plenty of ranged damage

Dude. My dude. I'm quoting you.

You don't even know what you're writing, or what ?

I see augmenting your dexterity also allows you to evade my question, i'll repeat it then : what makes faster to tank creeps while not having to tank them when you're able to kill them at distance and chain without any downtime ? Will you understand that at some point ?

What is faster between losing health and not losing health ?

I don't know, are you able to read the question like this ?

Dudemydude, I have neither the time nor the energy to discuss how "quoting" works. However, I will be using "Dudemydude" with great regularity, henceforth. Thanks for that.

As far as spec goes, I'm sure the OP has enough information by now.

Sun 31 Mar 2019 11:46 AM by SaintRon

From my experience on a hunter that went full bow / bc on this server : mobs barely got to me and if they did it was 1 style and dead.

My real limiting factor was endurance because I didn't bring end pots most of the time.

How do you argue that weapon spec is even needed for leveling? I'm assuming that rangers are going to be even better than my Hunter at range.

Are we arguing that they won't really get to you anyway even without much in bows? In that case, who cares?

Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:43 PM by waffel

Emeryc wrote: ↑
Sat 30 Mar 2019 6:09 AM
Leandrys wrote: ↑
Sat 30 Mar 2019 3:28 AM
Da hell ? Argument of autorithy ftw ? Tanking creeps is faster than not having to tank them ?

What is your point ? What's your logic ? The slower is the faster ? Why would you even say a guy "go on, tank creep and lose HP, it's much faster than killing them at range" ? Do you even know what xp'ing a ranger is ? I've done an hunter and a ranger here, what's the point of melee when you have slowest bow possible and caped dext and d/q ?

Just give an answer, really i can't wait to read your explanations : how is is faster to be slower ?

"Plenty of damages with simply AT", do you even play that game ?

Honest to god, I can't understand a f*cking word of this. I realize there may be a language issue and that's cool, but I seriously can't understand what the hell you're saying. What does "plenty of damages" mean and why do you keep typing it? And did you just enroll in an entry level Forensics course or something?

Increasing Dex has a larger impact on Bow DPS than increasing Bow spec... with an added benefit of increased evade chance and higher WS with pierce. Throw the DA in there and there is simply no contest between sinking points into PF versus into Bow.

To the OP, I encourage you to try full bow and AT bow and decide for yourself if those spec points are worth the increase in DPS. For the record, I like bow and RvR with a fairly high bow spec... but I recognize the hugely diminishing returns on speccing it.

Uh.... what? Did you even level a ranger? There is no way you did.

From someone that did, it’s actually quite easy:
Max bow
Use best arrows (damage type they gives + damage to what you’re fighting)
Rest of your points in PF then pierce/blades if what you’re fighting won’t make it to you, or will be very low on health
^that should cover most of the mobs you’ll kill

If you’re fighting things that might make it to you some of the time, pull a bit out of PF and put into melee

Once you get Mid 30s and higher, follow the same specs above but always respec before heading out:
Respec RAs into mastery of arcane
Respec spec into full PF
Fully buff up
Respec again into a normal spec
This gives you super buffs for 25 min

Sun 31 Mar 2019 1:05 PM by Leandrys

The realm respec truc is nice, totally forgot about it, good tip.

Don't care about Emeryc, i do not know what's wrong with him, anyway he will not answer and keep on ad hominem, so...