The Realm Point System has killed the Battlegrounds

I have to wonder if this is intentional from the devs.

I've seen this happen about 10 times now in the last few weeks. People play in Thidranki for a few hours, die, and then can't get back in.

They don't realize the Realm Point cap is so low, or how fast they're gaining RPs.

Or there's the people that level in the frontiers...all it takes is being ganked ONCE and you're over the cap for the BGs.

Yes, /rp off and /xp off are things, but many people don't know about these commands. Don't know about the RP cap. Or, in MY case, patches randomly turn the flag back on or off. I had xp and RPs off and still almost capped out because one day I logged in and it had turned itself back on.

A solution might be to just STOP being able to gain RPs in the BGs beyond a certain point. Or make the system more obvious. Or give the player a warning. SOMETHING.

Just a month ago, every night had about 35 people per realm in Thid. Now there's maybe 5 at prime time.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 1:20 AM by relvinian

Why not include them in whatever task rp there is? Similar to the way keeps or killing is.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 2:00 AM by jg777

I’d like to see the battlegrounds busy. Multiple suggestions have been given that would all influence Battleground activity. I hope the Phoenix staff will consider them, or come up with their own idea and implement it soon.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:05 PM by Ranne

I think its a shame that the BG´s are forgotten in here, Always a fun place to run. Maybe they should say that players can gather RP in frontier when they are below 48, thats migtht bring a few more players out in the BG, and maybe 1 more BG at 44 =)

Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:16 PM by Kampfar

If u want to stay in BG just do /rp off

Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:26 PM by jg777

Kampfar wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:16 PM
If u want to stay in BG just do /rp off

Yes and the OP mentioned this already. That’s besides the point he was making however.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 3:31 PM by Tamtrooper

In general, people will go where they can most efficiently advance their toons. On this server that place is the frontier zones and not the battlegrounds. IMO, frontier tasks should only give rewards to level 36+ players. This would go a long way to restoring some population to the battlegrounds.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 4:05 PM by PingGuy

Taking away task RP's from 35 and under isn't going to make people go to the BG's. You can't make people like something by taking away something else they like. All you end up doing is leaving them with nothing to like. Now, they could make the under 35's go to the BG's to get task RP's (make tasks work there), and that might be a successful incentive. But otherwise, just blocking the task from low levels will do nothing to help the BG's by itself.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 4:42 PM by Signus

PingGuy wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 4:05 PM
Taking away task RP's from 35 and under isn't going to make people go to the BG's. You can't make people like something by taking away something else they like. All you end up doing is leaving them with nothing to like. Now, they could make the under 35's go to the BG's to get task RP's (make tasks work there), and that might be a successful incentive. But otherwise, just blocking the task from low levels will do nothing to help the BG's by itself.

I remember initially the devs here wanted people in the BGs, which is why there was an XP bonus to killing mobs in the BGs.

But now it's just WAY better to farm in the frontiers, and if you get ganked by a level 50 player...well guess what, you get RPs for that! Enough RPs to cap you out of the BGs so now even if you WANTED to go to the BGs, you can't.

It's a bad system that really funnels people straight to level 50 without any stopping in the BGs. They may as well not even exist as a zone.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:09 PM by PingGuy

They should probably raise the RR caps for the BG's, but I'm not sure what else they could do that would be positive for the BG's without being negative for the frontiers.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:24 PM by Dominus

or just realize that the BGs are not the end-game and weren't intended for long-term rvr. Get to 50, help your realm.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 10:05 PM by Sepplord

Random idea:

Makes BG-mob a new mobtype.

Since it's not killed a lot, Bonus would be insane and pull lots of levellers in.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 2:56 AM by Signus

Dominus wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:24 PM
or just realize that the BGs are not the end-game and weren't intended for long-term rvr. Get to 50, help your realm.

Battleground PvP has a different feel than full RvR.

The action is generally much faster too.

And trying to convince people to grind to 50 BEFORE they even get a taste of PvP is a hard hard sell.

If the devs said "We do this to help RvR" then at least that'd be a stance.

But as it stands now it just seems like... bad design. The BGs are all but dead now, and they shouldn't be. At the very least they should be convenient leveling on the way to 50 but they aren't even that anymore.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 9:28 AM by Luluko

Dominus wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:24 PM
or just realize that the BGs are not the end-game and weren't intended for long-term rvr. Get to 50, help your realm.

why bother tho? We play for fun and if you cant get a grp going at certain times you are just donating to the zerg and fgs. Sometime walls are camped for serveral minutes that even stealthers cant pass through, the players want options and logging another toon out behind a wall isnt that viable. And pug grps without voice dont really stand a chance against most of the grps running so you will need a zerg bg and probably pve keeps. Shouldnt matter at what level you wanna rvr and if you can spite some 50 grps by not giving them rps even better.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 12:04 PM by jg777

Dominus wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:24 PM
or just realize that the BGs are not the end-game and weren't intended for long-term rvr. Get to 50, help your realm.

This is a game, people switch realms often, the idea that only 50 RvR should matter or “help your realm” is an unrealistic expectation. I actually am preferring BG RvR over endgame RvR presently as it stands.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 1:48 PM by Dominus

jg777 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 12:04 PM
Dominus wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:24 PM
or just realize that the BGs are not the end-game and weren't intended for long-term rvr. Get to 50, help your realm.

This is a game, people switch realms often, the idea that only 50 RvR should matter or “help your realm” is an unrealistic expectation. I actually am preferring BG RvR over endgame RvR presently as it stands.

I've yet to switch realms. Most of my guild stays put and as a result, we've pulled down a massive amount of RPs. We can have 4-6 groups out on RvR nights which is a boatload more fun that BGs in my opinion.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 3:14 PM by jg777

Dominus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 1:48 PM
jg777 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 12:04 PM
Dominus wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:24 PM
or just realize that the BGs are not the end-game and weren't intended for long-term rvr. Get to 50, help your realm.

This is a game, people switch realms often, the idea that only 50 RvR should matter or “help your realm” is an unrealistic expectation. I actually am preferring BG RvR over endgame RvR presently as it stands.

I've yet to switch realms. Most of my guild stays put and as a result, we've pulled down a massive amount of RPs. We can have 4-6 groups out on RvR nights which is a boatload more fun that BGs in my opinion.

I’m glad you’re having fun! Others have fun doing other things however- like Battlegrounds.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 3:18 PM by Roto23

Kampfar wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:16 PM
If u want to stay in BG just do /rp off

I agree with this guy. I'd futher add that why make our Devs do more work when a simple solution of typing /rp off when ur out in the frontier leveling up to thid level already exists. The solution already exists, let the Devs work on other stuff

Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:16 PM by Lewk

You are right that the BGs don't visited as often as a direct result of the RvR tasks. That being said, don't nerf the RvR tasks, just boost the xp/rp in the BG. The other option is to turn off tasks for lvl 36 and below players in lvl 50 RvR, and apply those tasks to the the BGs. The same exact ticks (perhaps with a little lower RP), the same xp (around 75% to 1 bub).

Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:17 PM by Signus

Roto23 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 3:18 PM
Kampfar wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:16 PM
If u want to stay in BG just do /rp off

I agree with this guy. I'd futher add that why make our Devs do more work when a simple solution of typing /rp off when ur out in the frontier leveling up to thid level already exists. The solution already exists, let the Devs work on other stuff

As I have already said...

Many don't know about the RP off command. Many don't realize getting ganked in the frontiers will give them enough RPs to cap out. And, the switch bugs out and turns itself back on sometimes.

If that feature was good enough, the BGs wouldn't have died as soon as tasks got revamped.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:18 PM by Medmey

I play on my lunch and Thid is a much better option for action in the limited time than 50 rvr. That said the last few weeks Thid has pretty much died during my lunch hour 12-1 PST. Usually would be 4-10 people from each realm and now will be no one anywhere in sight. It is a shame cause it can be a good option for quick action in a short time.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 5:50 PM by Roto23

Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:17 PM
Roto23 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 3:18 PM
Kampfar wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 12:16 PM
If u want to stay in BG just do /rp off

I agree with this guy. I'd futher add that why make our Devs do more work when a simple solution of typing /rp off when ur out in the frontier leveling up to thid level already exists. The solution already exists, let the Devs work on other stuff

As I have already said...

Many don't know about the RP off command. Many don't realize getting ganked in the frontiers will give them enough RPs to cap out. And, the switch bugs out and turns itself back on sometimes.

If that feature was good enough, the BGs wouldn't have died as soon as tasks got revamped.

I guess I'm a bit old fashioned where I believe you shouldn't hold people hands. Let them fail, you learn a lot when you fail.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 5:53 PM by Signus

Roto23 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 5:50 PM
Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:17 PM
Roto23 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 3:18 PM
I agree with this guy. I'd futher add that why make our Devs do more work when a simple solution of typing /rp off when ur out in the frontier leveling up to thid level already exists. The solution already exists, let the Devs work on other stuff

As I have already said...

Many don't know about the RP off command. Many don't realize getting ganked in the frontiers will give them enough RPs to cap out. And, the switch bugs out and turns itself back on sometimes.

If that feature was good enough, the BGs wouldn't have died as soon as tasks got revamped.

I guess I'm a bit old fashioned where I believe you shouldn't hold people hands. Let them fail, you learn a lot when you fail.

There's a massive gulf of difference between "Letting people learn from failure" and this server changing the rules/glitching out regularly enough that people fail through no fault of their own.

On top of that, it's not just personal failure at stake, it has taken down an entire key feature of the game with it. Almost overnight.

I don't know why you're so excited at the prospect of the game getting worse and suffering, other than to stoke your own elitism. "I guess I'm a bit old fashioned" is useless rhetoric and grand standing here.

Know what else is old fashioned? Necklace portals and taking a year to get to level 50.

Know what else is old fashioned? Not having a RP cap on Thidranki at all.

Know what else is old fashioned? Not giving greys RPs for getting ganked in the frontiers.

Which version of old fashioned do you want?

Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:03 PM by Roto23

Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 5:53 PM
Roto23 wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 5:50 PM
Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:17 PM
As I have already said...

Many don't know about the RP off command. Many don't realize getting ganked in the frontiers will give them enough RPs to cap out. And, the switch bugs out and turns itself back on sometimes.

If that feature was good enough, the BGs wouldn't have died as soon as tasks got revamped.

I guess I'm a bit old fashioned where I believe you shouldn't hold people hands. Let them fail, you learn a lot when you fail.

There's a massive gulf of difference between "Letting people learn from failure" and this server changing the rules/glitching out regularly enough that people fail through no fault of their own.

On top of that, it's not just personal failure at stake, it has taken down an entire key feature of the game with it. Almost overnight.

I don't know why you're so excited at the prospect of the game getting worse and suffering, other than to stoke your own elitism. "I guess I'm a bit old fashioned" is useless rhetoric and grand standing here.

Know what else is old fashioned? Necklace portals and taking a year to get to level 50.

Know what else is old fashioned? Not having a RP cap on Thidranki at all.

Know what else is old fashioned? Not giving greys RPs for getting ganked in the frontiers.

Which version of old fashioned do you want?

After reading your attacks on me I'm glad they ruined BG's for you.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM by chryso

I am not going to the battlegrounds and I don't like the idea of you trying to force me to go.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:26 PM by Signus

chryso wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM
I am not going to the battlegrounds and I don't like the idea of you trying to force me to go.

How would ANY of the proposed solutions force you to go?

(hint, none of them would, it would just give players more options to play how they like, something you seem to be adamantly against)

But sure, keep dodging the points made and setting up straw men.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:38 PM by chryso

Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:26 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM
I am not going to the battlegrounds and I don't like the idea of you trying to force me to go.

How would ANY of the proposed solutions force you to go?

(hint, none of them would, it would just give players more options to play how they like, something you seem to be adamantly against)

But sure, keep dodging the points made and setting up straw men.

I thought you had proposed removing the ability to gain any RPs from the task system unless you were above level 35. If it was not you who said that then I apologize. If you are just advocating for a something like a pop up message saying, You will soon go over the RP limit for the BGs then I understand and agree with your suggestion. However, I believe an easier way to achieve what you are looking for is to request an NPC who can reset your RPs to zero.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 9:31 PM by jg777

chryso wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM
I am not going to the battlegrounds and I don't like the idea of you trying to force me to go.

I don’t like the idea to force me to go to the Frontiers to get Realm points pre 50 either, so that sentiment can go on both sides of the isle. However a more compromising proposal could be to revamp the PvE content in the BG’s giving them a more attractive look than they are now with the addition of a boss and better/more sought after mobs which may generate more activity there but wouldn’t force anyone to participate.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:37 PM by Marden

Players killed the Battlegrounds long before the task system. Why stop in as a casual player, just to screw around and get some RP, when you're going to get absolutely steamrolled left and right? They just level and move on and I don't blame them. The same thing has happened here, and it has nothing to do with the task system.

I find it somewhat amusing that the people that twinked out characters here are no longer logging them in - because there's no easy targets to mow down and feel superior over. It's them and the other spellcrafted, potioned, min-maxed characters with level 51 accessories.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:49 PM by Signus

Marden wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:37 PM
Players killed the Battlegrounds long before the task system. Why stop in as a casual player, just to screw around and get some RP, when you're going to get absolutely steamrolled left and right? They just level and move on and I don't blame them. The same thing has happened here, and it has nothing to do with the task system.

I find it somewhat amusing that the people that twinked out characters here are no longer logging them in - because there's no easy targets to mow down and feel superior over. It's them and the other spellcrafted, potioned, min-maxed characters with level 51 accessories.

I do not agree. If the population drop hadn't directly correlated with the changes to the RP system, you may have been able to argue that.

"Easy targets to mow down"? I'm not logging in because no one is there, full stop. No one easy OR difficult to kill. Because the game is locking people out of the BGs. And those that go there cap out nearly instantly. And there isn't even good incentive to PvE there anymore.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:50 PM by Signus

chryso wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:38 PM
Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:26 PM
chryso wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 6:12 PM
I am not going to the battlegrounds and I don't like the idea of you trying to force me to go.

How would ANY of the proposed solutions force you to go?

(hint, none of them would, it would just give players more options to play how they like, something you seem to be adamantly against)

But sure, keep dodging the points made and setting up straw men.

I thought you had proposed removing the ability to gain any RPs from the task system unless you were above level 35. If it was not you who said that then I apologize. If you are just advocating for a something like a pop up message saying, You will soon go over the RP limit for the BGs then I understand and agree with your suggestion. However, I believe an easier way to achieve what you are looking for is to request an NPC who can reset your RPs to zero.

I would be in favor of either of those options, yes.

Ignorance, a buggy system, and lopsided rewards are mostly what is to blame here.

My friend played a level 21 druid in the BGs and capped out in just 2 hours of play time. It's insane.

Fri 29 Mar 2019 11:01 PM by Marden

Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:49 PM
Marden wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:37 PM
Players killed the Battlegrounds long before the task system. Why stop in as a casual player, just to screw around and get some RP, when you're going to get absolutely steamrolled left and right? They just level and move on and I don't blame them. The same thing has happened here, and it has nothing to do with the task system.

I find it somewhat amusing that the people that twinked out characters here are no longer logging them in - because there's no easy targets to mow down and feel superior over. It's them and the other spellcrafted, potioned, min-maxed characters with level 51 accessories.

I do not agree. If the population drop hadn't directly correlated with the changes to the RP system, you may have been able to argue that.

"Easy targets to mow down"? I'm not logging in because no one is there, full stop. No one easy OR difficult to kill. Because the game is locking people out of the BGs. And those that go there cap out nearly instantly. And there isn't even good incentive to PvE there anymore.

Fair enough; even if I don't agree, I understand your argument. It's just when I see calls for things like trying to incentivize PvE, my mind immediately translates that as "lets encourage people to come PvE so we can kill them repeatedly because lols"

Fri 29 Mar 2019 11:43 PM by Signus

Marden wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 11:01 PM
Signus wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:49 PM
Marden wrote: ↑
Fri 29 Mar 2019 10:37 PM
Players killed the Battlegrounds long before the task system. Why stop in as a casual player, just to screw around and get some RP, when you're going to get absolutely steamrolled left and right? They just level and move on and I don't blame them. The same thing has happened here, and it has nothing to do with the task system.

I find it somewhat amusing that the people that twinked out characters here are no longer logging them in - because there's no easy targets to mow down and feel superior over. It's them and the other spellcrafted, potioned, min-maxed characters with level 51 accessories.

I do not agree. If the population drop hadn't directly correlated with the changes to the RP system, you may have been able to argue that.

"Easy targets to mow down"? I'm not logging in because no one is there, full stop. No one easy OR difficult to kill. Because the game is locking people out of the BGs. And those that go there cap out nearly instantly. And there isn't even good incentive to PvE there anymore.

Fair enough; even if I don't agree, I understand your argument. It's just when I see calls for things like trying to incentivize PvE, my mind immediately translates that as "lets encourage people to come PvE so we can kill them repeatedly because lols"

I honestly don't care HOW they do it. I just want more people in the BGs. Whether that's widening the RP limit or putting a reset NPC, or a popup warning telling you you're about to go over the limit...

My main issue is just... right now the new system has killed the BGs, and if the devs have an interest in people using the BGs, something has to change.