Limit RvR Tasks to Lvl 35+ - Phoenix Freeshard

Let's be honest, no grey is coming out to the RvR zone to fight for the realm. Greys getting RPs for suiciding is like giving a 5 year old a trophy for intentionally losing. It's just not right.

I mean look at these people...they turn off xp at lvl 34 so they're still grey.

Lvl 34 skald rank 5L5 https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Shortround
Lvl 34 skald rank 4L8 https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Kerl

These greys breaking my speed are like gnats on my dog's butthole. They. Won't. Go. Away. Please Phoenix, stop this madness.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 6:41 PM by phixion

At this point I don't know why they don't raise the limits in BGs and reward lower levels for being in those BGs. It would pour life in to the BGs and remove lowbies from end game RvR.

And yes, kinda sick of being done over by a gray that chooses to involve itself in a fight. So if I kill you when you're gray, it's most likely because I don't want you (a theurgist for example) adding on the fight and screwing me over when it comes to me making my escape after a kill.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 7:57 PM by tylerforeal

For the love of god get these freaking greys out of the frontier it honestly is RIDICULOUS right now. Every night you can go to emain and watch find 10 greys running from APK to thimble. They break speed, they take targeting, they take instas, they add literally nothing.

This trend is horrid for rvr and all of you doing it should feel embarrassed.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:10 PM by PingGuy

Sounds like they are having an impact, and therefore helping their realm. I mean they broke your speed, and wasted your time and abilities. That is probably helpful to the others from their realm that are trying to kill you. And it's probably fun for the grays too. Seems like it's working as intended.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:16 PM by Aervine

Ardri wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 6:07 PM
Let's be honest, no grey is coming out to the RvR zone to fight for the realm. Greys getting RPs for suiciding is like giving a 5 year old a trophy for intentionally losing. It's just not right.

I mean look at these people...they turn off xp at lvl 34 so they're still grey.

Lvl 34 skald rank 5L5 https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Shortround
Lvl 34 skald rank 4L8 https://herald.playphoenix.online/c/Kerl

These greys breaking my speed are like gnats on my dog's butthole. They. Won't. Go. Away. Please Phoenix, stop this madness.

You realize that the reason character like this exist is because people crying about greys in RvR. If you notice Shortround is in a guild that looks like they are dedicated to locking characters out at 34 and ranking them up. The amount of RPs you get from tasks drops drastically as you rank up so they are out there with the zergs leeching successfully and can do this without the task system.

If you want to see something like this suggestion actually getting put through I would make a more constructive criticism why rather than "omg they aren't playing how I want qq". Remember this is Realm vs. Realm, not team vs team, not 1v1, 8v8, anyone in the realm is an able body and can participate. No you shouldn't get RPs for killing greys as there isn't glory in it.

With that said, I would like to see the RvR tasks changed to 35+ so that the BGs will become active again. Aber and Cale never were active really on this server but Thid had days of 30+ people per realm in it and was glorious.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:32 PM by PingGuy

Limiting the tasks to 35+ isn't likely to get people into the BG's. However, if they do that, then activating the task for the BG's might work. I really don't care if I die to an assassin 30 feet outside the keep in Emain or Thidranki. But I do care if I go to the BG and die over and over again and get nothing.

The tasks work as an incentive. The BG's as-is, don't. Not everybody can be the best, but those who are the best can be lonely once they've run everybody else off.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:37 PM by Ardri

Aervine wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:16 PM
You realize that the reason character like this exist is because people crying about greys in RvR. If you notice Shortround is in a guild that looks like they are dedicated to locking characters out at 34 and ranking them up. The amount of RPs you get from tasks drops drastically as you rank up so they are out there with the zergs leeching successfully and can do this without the task system.

If you want to see something like this suggestion actually getting put through I would make a more constructive criticism why rather than "omg they aren't playing how I want qq". Remember this is Realm vs. Realm, not team vs team, not 1v1, 8v8, anyone in the realm is an able body and can participate. No you shouldn't get RPs for killing greys as there isn't glory in it.

With that said, I would like to see the RvR tasks changed to 35+ so that the BGs will become active again. Aber and Cale never were active really on this server but Thid had days of 30+ people per realm in it and was glorious.

What are you even on about? What you said makes no sense.

5L5 guy has 130K from kills and 400K from tasks. No, he wouldn't be getting 5L5 without task rps...
4L8 guy has 1,338 SOLO kills at lvl 34. Either he RP off'd and played in thid for hundreds of hours or he's actually RP farming.

Actually, both have an unusually low amount of deaths for their RR. While most are 200-400 they are sitting at 52 and 70. I wouldn't be surprised if both RP farmed.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:49 PM by Aervine

Ardri wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:37 PM
Aervine wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:16 PM
You realize that the reason character like this exist is because people crying about greys in RvR. If you notice Shortround is in a guild that looks like they are dedicated to locking characters out at 34 and ranking them up. The amount of RPs you get from tasks drops drastically as you rank up so they are out there with the zergs leeching successfully and can do this without the task system.

If you want to see something like this suggestion actually getting put through I would make a more constructive criticism why rather than "omg they aren't playing how I want qq". Remember this is Realm vs. Realm, not team vs team, not 1v1, 8v8, anyone in the realm is an able body and can participate. No you shouldn't get RPs for killing greys as there isn't glory in it.

With that said, I would like to see the RvR tasks changed to 35+ so that the BGs will become active again. Aber and Cale never were active really on this server but Thid had days of 30+ people per realm in it and was glorious.

What are you even on about? What you said makes no sense.

5L5 guy has 130K from kills and 400K from tasks. No, he wouldn't be getting 5L5 without task rps...
4L8 guy has 1,338 SOLO kills at lvl 34. Either he RP off'd and played in thid for hundreds of hours or he's actually RP farming.

Actually, both have an unusually low amount of deaths for their RR. While most are 200-400 they are sitting at 52 and 70. I wouldn't be surprised if both RP farmed.

What I am on about is exactly what you said in your next set of sentences. The Herald shows him at 700k+ RP with 400k from tasks and 130k not (notice it doesn't add up here though). He wouldn't be 5L5 yet but he'd still be doing the same thing without the tasks. They are both farming RP in some way and it is entirely possible that they're just going after levelers that would be in range or lower than them.

Let's take a look at Mr. 5L5 real quick though, 400k RP from tasks seems like a lot, but that would require about 5 consecutive days of doing the task every 15 minutes. That is a lot of time sunken into it. That much time at 50 in RvR would net him more RP. Too many people crying about these free RPs but it's not that serious, this person has had to put a lot of time into playing to get them.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:52 PM by Marden

When my grey-con characters can no longer be killed by purples (repeatedly, oftentimes) while minding their own business getting some experience in the Frontiers we'll talk

Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:52 PM by Aervine

PingGuy wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:32 PM
Limiting the tasks to 35+ isn't likely to get people into the BG's. However, if they do that, then activating the task for the BG's might work. I really don't care if I die to an assassin 30 feet outside the keep in Emain or Thidranki. But I do care if I go to the BG and die over and over again and get nothing.

The tasks work as an incentive. The BG's as-is, don't. Not everybody can be the best, but those who are the best can be lonely once they've run everybody else off.

This is a good point, I just know that there was more action before the recent revamps to the task system.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 9:00 PM by Hejjin

phixion wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 6:41 PM
At this point I don't know why they don't raise the limits in BGs and reward lower levels for being in those BGs. It would pour life in to the BGs and remove lowbies from end game RvR.

And yes, kinda sick of being done over by a gray that chooses to involve itself in a fight. So if I kill you when you're gray, it's most likely because I don't want you (a theurgist for example) adding on the fight and screwing me over when it comes to me making my escape after a kill.

Aye, the BGs have been mostly dead since the RvR task changed, so making the BG's more appealing AND having more BG's over level 35 should be the way to go.

Wed 20 Mar 2019 9:17 PM by Ardri

Aervine wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:49 PM
What I am on about is exactly what you said in your next set of sentences. The Herald shows him at 700k+ RP with 400k from tasks and 130k not (notice it doesn't add up here though). He wouldn't be 5L5 yet but he'd still be doing the same thing without the tasks. They are both farming RP in some way and it is entirely possible that they're just going after levelers that would be in range or lower than them.

Let's take a look at Mr. 5L5 real quick though, 400k RP from tasks seems like a lot, but that would require about 5 consecutive days of doing the task every 15 minutes. That is a lot of time sunken into it. That much time at 50 in RvR would net him more RP. Too many people crying about these free RPs but it's not that serious, this person has had to put a lot of time into playing to get them.

Are you trolling me right now? No, greys would not be doing the same thing. No, this idiotic lvl 34 xp off bullshit would not be happening right now if they got zero task RPs.

The total RPs are right. It's the task RP counter that's off. I bet it's not counting the 2nd tick of "additional participation" in the task. So in reality he got 770K total, 130K from kills and 640K from tasks. It's complete and utter nonsense to reward people this much for "participation."

Sorry, but i'm going to stop responding to you as it's not worth the time.

Thu 21 Mar 2019 7:38 AM by Sepplord

PingGuy wrote: ↑
Wed 20 Mar 2019 8:10 PM
Sounds like they are having an impact, and therefore helping their realm. I mean they broke your speed, and wasted your time and abilities. That is probably helpful to the others from their realm that are trying to kill you. And it's probably fun for the grays too. Seems like it's working as intended.

Either they have an impact, or not.

If they have one, they should give rewards
If they don't they shouldn't be incentivized to go out

I don't think giving RPs for greykilling would help though, but it does get a little bit weird from time to time currently

Sat 23 Mar 2019 6:57 PM by Quik

The only reason I don't feel sorry for grey's causing grief in RvR is this 1 simple little fact people seem to want to conveniently ignore...

How long have people been killing greys here even though they were worth 0 RP's? How often did people just keep screaming "Red is Dead" or "It brings out the high levels!" or "It hampers the other realms!" amongst many other things. Greys have always been worth ZERO RP/XP here but people STILL went out of their way to slaughter grey's in their frontier XPing areas and laughed when grey's complained. People made fun of them and said "Frontiers are dangerous, if you don't like it then leave!"

Now people are seriously mad that a grey can cause their own form of grief in return for all the grief they have got? All those times people griefed the grey players and now karma is biting them in the ass.

BTW, even lvl 35-50 are running out and suiciding for the easy RP's. Please explain to me how it is remotely different other than one gives you RP's and one doesn't? LOL

Personally I hope they add more bonuses to the RP's that greys get so more greys come out and gried more elitist players who are so frustrated by these horrible grey players!!!

LOL Karma people, Karma.

Maybe leave the greys alone to level peacefully next time =)