Siphon on casters - Phoenix Freeshard

Hello Phoenix community,

Their is a serious issue of mana pool with casters. It is impossible de finish a single fight without being oom.
And what if we introduce a base siphon to reduce the mana consuption? That is not normal to have a /use ridiculous power regen to end a 8v8. Casters are at a serious disadvantage.

All the best, see you IG,

Skilt

Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:29 AM by Sepplord

I disagree with every single claim you made

Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:09 AM by Skilt

And you are obviously playing tank. great

Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:30 AM by Sepplord

Skilt wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:09 AM
And you are obviously playing tank. great

If that invalidates my opinion against a casterbuff, then you playing a caster invalidates your opinion for a casterbuff

Afaik the facts show currently two buffs to manamangement compared to "back then":
-no regenpenalty under 50% (manamanagement buff)
-stronger manaregg charges than available on live (manamanagement buff)

It is impossible de finish a single fight without being oom

This is also just factually false, not because of my bias, and best case unnecessary hyperbole.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:45 AM by opossum12

Hmm, I only casters/support and don’t have power issues, between MCL and power pots.

I use my power pots on the timer (not when I’m oom) and alternate with mcl.

You just cN’t go mongo and go full nukes all the time, need to wait for the Ma debuff call to nuke so that you drop them fast.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:56 AM by Luluko

no there are plenty of casters playing and spending your mana wisely is something you have to learn as a caster and then you can also invest ra points into serenity/mcl/raging power its fine

Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:07 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Let's not further dilute the level of skill/stat management required OP. Managing mana bars and being aware of spell power cost is important but also very feasible with the aforementioned abilities/items that can be used to assist mana replenishment.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 7:34 PM by Ebenezer

No. Manage your power. Buy powertoys (potions/items/RAs). Use lower level spells (list casters) if all you are doing is interrupting anyway.

Siphon (and FOPs in RvR, which at least we don't have here) for unlimited nuking changes the balance of the game significantly.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:03 PM by djegu

I manage my power just fine, although I wish caster could have cheaper toy than MCL2/seren/power pot to manage power pool, moreover when on the other side, tank with 2 ras point and a cheap barrel will never have to worry about endo.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 11:04 PM by Luluko

djegu wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:03 PM
I manage my power just fine, although I wish caster could have cheaper toy than MCL2/seren/power pot to manage power pool, moreover when on the other side, tank with 2 ras point and a cheap barrel will never have to worry about endo.

true but a tank has to invest a lot into det or purge to not be completly useless if rooted also they have to run into the dangerzone to do damage, while casters can get interrupted and cant take many hits but I think it evens out

Thu 14 Mar 2019 7:04 AM by Sepplord

djegu wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:03 PM
I manage my power just fine, although I wish caster could have cheaper toy than MCL2/seren/power pot to manage power pool, moreover when on the other side, tank with 2 ras point and a cheap barrel will never have to worry about endo.

With just endu and the two RAs you run out of endu quite fast, since that only covers sprinting. You do not reg while sprinting. Every style drains your mana and guess what...the casters you try to hit all sprint away, because they do damage with a different ressource and have endu-barrel+2RAs for permasprint too

Tanks/melees not having to worry about endurance is a myth

Thu 14 Mar 2019 8:51 AM by dansari

If you find you're running out of power often, use potions at the beginning of a fight, not just when you're oom. Serenity, MCL, and Raging Power also all exist. This is a non-issue.

Thu 14 Mar 2019 9:50 AM by Durgrim

mhm,maybe the OP is an Eldritch, thinking that after nuking 24 players to death and running OOM afterwards asking for more mamazzzz is worth a try

Welcome to Dark Age of Mezz-a-lot

Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:44 AM by djegu

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 7:04 AM
djegu wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:03 PM
I manage my power just fine, although I wish caster could have cheaper toy than MCL2/seren/power pot to manage power pool, moreover when on the other side, tank with 2 ras point and a cheap barrel will never have to worry about endo.

With just endu and the two RAs you run out of endu quite fast, since that only covers sprinting. You do not reg while sprinting. Every style drains your mana and guess what...the casters you try to hit all sprint away, because they do damage with a different ressource and have endu-barrel+2RAs for permasprint too

Tanks/melees not having to worry about endurance is a myth

I have a melee too and I have 0 issue with endo, endo regen is way way way faster than power. you sit for 3sc and you're full of endo, sit for 3sc and your power bar will laugh at you.

Thu 14 Mar 2019 1:08 PM by Sepplord

djegu wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:44 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 7:04 AM
djegu wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:03 PM
I manage my power just fine, although I wish caster could have cheaper toy than MCL2/seren/power pot to manage power pool, moreover when on the other side, tank with 2 ras point and a cheap barrel will never have to worry about endo.

With just endu and the two RAs you run out of endu quite fast, since that only covers sprinting. You do not reg while sprinting. Every style drains your mana and guess what...the casters you try to hit all sprint away, because they do damage with a different ressource and have endu-barrel+2RAs for permasprint too

Tanks/melees not having to worry about endurance is a myth

I have a melee too and I have 0 issue with endo, endo regen is way way way faster than power. you sit for 3sc and you're full of endo, sit for 3sc and your power bar will laugh at you.

i don't know why you lecture my about differences between mana and endurance, i neither said manareg and endurancereg are similar nor did i comapre them at all?

Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:19 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Let's not make things too easy here. There are plenty of ways to regenerate/regain mana as a caster. Siphon is not needed.

Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:55 PM by djegu

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 1:08 PM
djegu wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:44 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 7:04 AM
With just endu and the two RAs you run out of endu quite fast, since that only covers sprinting. You do not reg while sprinting. Every style drains your mana and guess what...the casters you try to hit all sprint away, because they do damage with a different ressource and have endu-barrel+2RAs for permasprint too

Tanks/melees not having to worry about endurance is a myth

I have a melee too and I have 0 issue with endo, endo regen is way way way faster than power. you sit for 3sc and you're full of endo, sit for 3sc and your power bar will laugh at you.

i don't know why you lecture my about differences between mana and endurance, i neither said manareg and endurancereg are similar nor did i comapre them at all?

Sorry, I quoted you but it wasn't necessarily pointed to you, it's more of a general comment

Thu 14 Mar 2019 4:46 PM by Ashman

at least ywain players now know what that yellow bar is

welcome to the real world

Thu 14 Mar 2019 5:52 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Ashman wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 4:46 PM
at least ywain players now know what that yellow bar is

welcome to the real world

My thoughts exactly.

Could be worse too, I recall the days of using an entire power bar to kill a single orange mob and proceeding to /sit for 4-5 minutes until the power regenerated.