Greenangel wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 10:04 AMThis is realm vs realm war and Albion tank groups can work with support of a caster group.
There not suppose go out 8 man there suppose go out with anthour 8 man group.
This is not 8 man game stop trying make it 8 man game.
Best Albion tank groups in past had 0 casters not even a Sorcerer.
The Sorcerers would be in caster group and there would be two them and two groups work togeather.
2 groups Albion is way it works the 8 man idiots don't get that
We used have Thergist in caster group and Friar in tank group who had swap back and forth for resists and group blade turn damage add haste buffa which was anoying part.
Yep 2 groups working togeather team work in realm war means Albion can be powerful.
I'm afraid Albion is the point this is not 8 man vs 8 man game
It's because of Albion gossip #1:Cami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:34 PMI think this is a subjective impression from the Albion point of view, the Hibernian sun is brighter and the Midgard snow is cleaner, of course!
Where is a good Midgard setup easier to build than an Albion group? Hibernia might need one less class to meet the absolute minimal requirements, but this doesn't mean, that you can fill up with anything. I just assume, that each single group slot is under heavy min-max discussions in all 3 realms and black-white opinions about the one and only group setup are not restricted to one realm.
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Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:Cami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:34 PMI think this is a subjective impression from the Albion point of view, the Hibernian sun is brighter and the Midgard snow is cleaner, of course!
Where is a good Midgard setup easier to build than an Albion group? Hibernia might need one less class to meet the absolute minimal requirements, but this doesn't mean, that you can fill up with anything. I just assume, that each single group slot is under heavy min-max discussions in all 3 realms and black-white opinions about the one and only group setup are not restricted to one realm.
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
Paladin makes the party more comfortable for tanks, no more. I play reaver and when i'm close to ooe due to sprint, slam and leviathan, I just use a endu pot (not a regen, a healing one). Which is extremely rare, because I get slammed and root enough to pick up some endurance...Yokahu wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:30 PMAlbion will need a pally in their group setup for stamina regen.
Yokahu wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 4:53 PM
What are you talking about? Please elaborate.
Are u referring to the endu pots that when combined with tireless and longwind are as good as a pally’s endu chant for perma sprint? Have you tried to sprint as a melee class while styling? Or are you part of the caster train?
always depends what you fight minstrel with pet and casteable mezz can interrupt a little better while skald is stuck with 30sec cd mezz and that has like 20% resist rate without mof so if its resistet you cant mezz anybody anymore while minstrel can continue to cast mezz which is also longer. The weapon damage is less so a skald + warry can assist down stealthers a lot more easiely and even manage to kill other tanks in slam sure. But when skald/warry are up vs decent casters/sups mezz from the minstrel and pet are worth a lot more. A well played minstrel/sorc which know how to kite and use snare styles correctly can kill a lot of stuff, the downsite is you rely on cc a lot so anything with det and purge will be a problem for that duo. But casters/supporter grps are easy pickings if you dont catch ns. But its often just the player behind those classes, a bad minst will waste stun on a det class and make him imun to the slam of the tank right next to him... while a good minstrel saves the stun for sup/casters and can get backsnares off or mezzes when he is free.Dindelion wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 7:24 AMSorry, I won't change your mind, because I agree with this statement.
Albion has the worst group flexibility by far, which pretty much means half the class / specializations sucks. In full group you can't play anything else than a body train. Tanks groups simply don't exist here. You can't really play a pbaoe group, because that means you have to get a ice wizard in there lol. In duos / smallmen I don't think minstrel + X is better than Skald + X or Bard + X. Obviously I'm talking about fights with equally skilled players.
Happy to get my mind changed too though.
Yokahu wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 4:53 PM
What are you talking about? Please elaborate.
Are u referring to the endu pots that when combined with tireless and longwind are as good as a pally’s endu chant for perma sprint? Have you tried to sprint as a melee class while styling? Or are you part of the caster train?
Sepplord wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 10:03 AMYokahu wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 4:53 PMCami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:36 PMMaybe you should play Albion RvR (on Phoenix) before providing your feedback?
What are you talking about? Please elaborate.
Are u referring to the endu pots that when combined with tireless and longwind are as good as a pally’s endu chant for perma sprint? Have you tried to sprint as a melee class while styling? Or are you part of the caster train?
have you tried permanently staying within 1000range of your shaman so you actually get the endbuff?
Raec wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 9:52 AMWiz caster main assist and cold train 50% debuff with theurgs assist.
Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
Yokahu wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:06 PM
I sometimes forget Midgardians are too sensitive...
Will dial it down.
Sepplord wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:11 PM
quite ironic answer considering you are the one arguing pro change, and this thread is about albion being the weakest
(and again you are assuming that somehow your comments hurt my feelings or something. I am just explaining your misconceptions, so maybe future discussions aren't derailed as often by comments like yours)
Yokahu wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 3:32 PMSepplord wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:11 PMYokahu wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:06 PMI sometimes forget Midgardians are too sensitive...
Will dial it down.
quite ironic answer considering you are the one arguing pro change, and this thread is about albion being the weakest
(and again you are assuming that somehow your comments hurt my feelings or something. I am just explaining your misconceptions, so maybe future discussions aren't derailed as often by comments like yours)
Haha my arguments are not “pro change”... read carefully before replying... mid
/mic drop
Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:Cami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:34 PMI think this is a subjective impression from the Albion point of view, the Hibernian sun is brighter and the Midgard snow is cleaner, of course!
Where is a good Midgard setup easier to build than an Albion group? Hibernia might need one less class to meet the absolute minimal requirements, but this doesn't mean, that you can fill up with anything. I just assume, that each single group slot is under heavy min-max discussions in all 3 realms and black-white opinions about the one and only group setup are not restricted to one realm.
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
Falken wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:21 PMpuging in alb is always a struggle with the same mentality to run a meta setup.
that 4 endu buff from shaman is neglectable not much range and you are almost at the buff cap if you buff everyone in your grp 2 speccs add to that 1-2 casters which need brain buff, maybe 1 warry who peels behind can get it tho. But the melees which push for damage usually also only rely on pots in mid. Then you just have to use endu heal pots or use some styles which cost less endu, so skald and anything with hammer specc shouldnt have an issue cant say much about zerks/svgs tho I havent played one yet on phoenix.Falken wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:21 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:Cami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:34 PMI think this is a subjective impression from the Albion point of view, the Hibernian sun is brighter and the Midgard snow is cleaner, of course!
Where is a good Midgard setup easier to build than an Albion group? Hibernia might need one less class to meet the absolute minimal requirements, but this doesn't mean, that you can fill up with anything. I just assume, that each single group slot is under heavy min-max discussions in all 3 realms and black-white opinions about the one and only group setup are not restricted to one realm.
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
Problem with this is that any tank you add in alb is at an endurance deficit compared to the hib/mid group which actually has useful endo, assuming pally isn't in your core to get all the "stuff" that hib and mid have. Which is the exact point of this thread, everything is spread so far out over all the classes. We have all known this though it is no shock. Argueably Hib>mid>>>>Alb in terms of a 4 man core if you added warden to hib as they get both resists/pbt/heals/mez/demez/rupts - alb needs 1 more class when compared to other realms to get the same tools, which is why puging in alb is always a struggle with the same mentality to run a meta setup.
Every realm has trouble giving out full buffs, typically if you want full buffs you need to run one charge and in mid that is usually d/q for tanks (shamans don't get red d/q or red brain) and casters it is red brain for mid. Casters run endo pot, only tanks need yellow endo in mid, buffing this way with 1 charge on tanks/casters and endo pots on supports/casters you are fine buffing as a shaman.Luluko wrote: ↑Fri 15 Mar 2019 2:02 PMthat 4 endu buff from shaman is neglectable not much range and you are almost at the buff cap if you buff everyone in your grp 2 speccs add to that 1-2 casters which need brain buff, maybe 1 warry who peels behind can get it tho. But the melees which push for damage usually also only rely on pots in mid. Then you just have to use endu heal pots or use some styles which cost less endu, so skald and anything with hammer specc shouldnt have an issue cant say much about zerks/svgs tho I havent played one yet on phoenix.Falken wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:21 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
Problem with this is that any tank you add in alb is at an endurance deficit compared to the hib/mid group which actually has useful endo, assuming pally isn't in your core to get all the "stuff" that hib and mid have. Which is the exact point of this thread, everything is spread so far out over all the classes. We have all known this though it is no shock. Argueably Hib>mid>>>>Alb in terms of a 4 man core if you added warden to hib as they get both resists/pbt/heals/mez/demez/rupts - alb needs 1 more class when compared to other realms to get the same tools, which is why puging in alb is always a struggle with the same mentality to run a meta setup.
Yokahu wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 12:43 PMOh look, a midgarian complaining that their core group have a class that buffs endurance lol.
Dude, you don’t have to be within 1000 range all the time... you won’t instantly run out of stamina if you leave the shammy’s range for a while. At least your core group have endu buff to support your melee classes.
yeah that would all make sense if you dont die every 5-10mins when either 4+ grps albs camp mmg in emain or 4+ hib grps camp mmg in hadrians...Falken wrote: ↑Fri 15 Mar 2019 6:57 PMEvery realm has trouble giving out full buffs, typically if you want full buffs you need to run one charge and in mid that is usually d/q for tanks (shamans don't get red d/q or red brain) and casters it is red brain for mid. Casters run endo pot, only tanks need yellow endo in mid, buffing this way with 1 charge on tanks/casters and endo pots on supports/casters you are fine buffing as a shaman.Luluko wrote: ↑Fri 15 Mar 2019 2:02 PMthat 4 endu buff from shaman is neglectable not much range and you are almost at the buff cap if you buff everyone in your grp 2 speccs add to that 1-2 casters which need brain buff, maybe 1 warry who peels behind can get it tho. But the melees which push for damage usually also only rely on pots in mid. Then you just have to use endu heal pots or use some styles which cost less endu, so skald and anything with hammer specc shouldnt have an issue cant say much about zerks/svgs tho I havent played one yet on phoenix.Falken wrote: ↑Thu 14 Mar 2019 11:21 PMProblem with this is that any tank you add in alb is at an endurance deficit compared to the hib/mid group which actually has useful endo, assuming pally isn't in your core to get all the "stuff" that hib and mid have. Which is the exact point of this thread, everything is spread so far out over all the classes. We have all known this though it is no shock. Argueably Hib>mid>>>>Alb in terms of a 4 man core if you added warden to hib as they get both resists/pbt/heals/mez/demez/rupts - alb needs 1 more class when compared to other realms to get the same tools, which is why puging in alb is always a struggle with the same mentality to run a meta setup.
stridberg wrote: ↑Sat 16 Mar 2019 7:55 AMRule of thumb: If you're in Albion complaining about the other realms, you would also complain about Albion if you were in any of the other. People tending to whine about realm balance always seem to forget that DAoC is a game based around teamplay and many variables. At it's core the game revolves around randomness. Because a savage, after resisting four debuffed lifetaps, ran up to your cabbalist and won the lottery doesn't mean Midgard melee groups are better than alb caster groups.
I spent about 90% of my time on Albion, the rest in Hibernia, and I play Midgard for the first time on Phoenix.
Back then I always thought Albion to be the theoretically strongest realm based on individual class strength. Not in a very dominating fashion, more in the sense of "If a perfect robot controlled this Albion setup it would beat a perfect robot controlling any setup of another realm a majority of the time", and I still lean towards that notion. This conclusion is practically useless, as nobody plays perfect. If you're looking at a fight and you can't find something anyone in your team could've done better you weren't looking nearly hard enough.
Of course this is refering to 8 man groups, arguments for balance can't be made in a zerg environment where all balance and strategy more complex than simply moving in a direction gets thrown out of the window. While balance is also a very fragile thing when going below 8, Albion has hilariously powerful and fun smallman setups.
Getting out of the "the classes of my realm suck at XYZ and that's why I keep getting run over" mentality can drastically improve the fun one has with this game. If you're predispositioned for jumping to conclusions instead of calmly figuring out why a fight played out the way it did, your confirmation bias will lead you to frustration and cause you to make angry forum posts.
dudis wrote: ↑Mon 18 Mar 2019 2:58 PMI guess there is a big difference between 8man potential and just random frontier action.
Albion has the strongest 8v8 and 8vX setups available in this era of daoc imo, if you get a group of people that play reasonably well together.
Seige wrote: ↑Mon 18 Mar 2019 6:21 PMdudis wrote: ↑Mon 18 Mar 2019 2:58 PMI guess there is a big difference between 8man potential and just random frontier action.
Albion has the strongest 8v8 and 8vX setups available in this era of daoc imo, if you get a group of people that play reasonably well together.
Curious to know what the strongest 8man setups your speaking of?
) alot of fights. and 90% the time albs getting destroyed (1v1, 8v8, 8vX, XvX ... does not matter). even minstrels which should be one of the best (if not the best) solo class getting destroyed because skalds got det.dudis wrote: ↑Wed 20 Mar 2019 2:45 PMI dont know what it's like tro try and PUG on alb, but from a mids perspective, I very rarely see regular alb groups in the frontier. Mids and hibs however have a ton of guildgroups that are recognizable.
I disagree, kiting is not that hard, it is quite easy to be precise. Unfortunately, 90% of the population does not even understand the basics of kiting. I see casters just standing there when 2 Trolls charging them with speed 6, Tanks in the peeler position straight running into the enemy backline or Cabalist immediately starting with debuff nukes on the first target they can reach.Dagerin wrote: ↑Wed 20 Mar 2019 4:28 PMAlb group comps have to be very high RR and play perfectly in order to beat groups like this.
Cami wrote: ↑Wed 20 Mar 2019 5:02 PMI disagree, kiting is not that hard, it is quite easy to be precise. Unfortunately, 90% of the population does not even understand the basics of kiting. I see casters just standing there when 2 Trolls charging them with speed 6, Tanks in the peeler position straight running into the enemy backline or Cabalist immediately starting with debuff nukes on the first target they can reach.Dagerin wrote: ↑Wed 20 Mar 2019 4:28 PMAlb group comps have to be very high RR and play perfectly in order to beat groups like this.
You are probably correct, that Alb compositions are a bit more complex to play, but you do not have to play perfectly, just better than your enemy.
So the reason, that there are no guild groups in Alb running daily is the proof of a broken balance or is it the other way around? Yes, the point you are trying to make is clear, it is just not proven and I highly doubt that it is true.Dagerin wrote: ↑Wed 20 Mar 2019 6:50 PMClearly noone on Alb has figured out how to do that yet, so I think the point is clear that yes, in this patch and without ToA Alb is the worst realm at least for 8v8.
Cami wrote: ↑Thu 21 Mar 2019 8:44 AMSo the reason, that there are no guild groups in Alb running daily is the proof of a broken balance or is it the other way around? Yes, the point you are trying to make is clear, it is just not proven and I highly doubt that it is true.Dagerin wrote: ↑Wed 20 Mar 2019 6:50 PMClearly noone on Alb has figured out how to do that yet, so I think the point is clear that yes, in this patch and without ToA Alb is the worst realm at least for 8v8.
MacPrior wrote: ↑Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:50 AMAlbion has strongest classes.
Albion has access to very strong set ups - caster, melee and mixed.
But
Albion is a most difficult realm for group building.
and
Albion has always on every server huge part of population interested in PvE only.
A midgarder has nothing to do in inside realm after he hited the level 50 and got an equipment, he is permanently ready for RvR.
An Albioner after making first lvl 50, starts the next one, then a third one, then farms items for a perfect temp, then starts to farm items for a better temp and afterwords may be (!) he begins to think about RvR.
Seige wrote: ↑Thu 28 Mar 2019 1:17 PMMacPrior wrote: ↑Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:50 AMAlbion has strongest classes.
Albion has access to very strong set ups - caster, melee and mixed.
But
Albion is a most difficult realm for group building.
and
Albion has always on every server huge part of population interested in PvE only.
A midgarder has nothing to do in inside realm after he hited the level 50 and got an equipment, he is permanently ready for RvR.
An Albioner after making first lvl 50, starts the next one, then a third one, then farms items for a perfect temp, then starts to farm items for a better temp and afterwords may be (!) he begins to think about RvR.
What makes a Cleric stronger than a healer? or Druid?
What makes a Sorc stronger than a bard? Healer?
What makes a Merc stronger than a bm? Zerker?
What makes a Cabby stronger than a Eld? Shaman?
When you make blanket statements at least give your reasoning behind them please. Obviously you can't do a mirror comparison, but if you look at the jobs of each class.
Seems to be a few people who truly think Albion is the strongest of the realms. Historically this isn't true without overwhelming numbers. I am starting to think I played/play a different game than some of you. I do agree with Albion being difficult to build the right groups. This is one of the key problems with Albion.. The reason its difficult to build the right groups is because of the weaknesses of the classes imo. Not that people won't group certain classes.
All of you who are complaining that, "Its not fair Alb simply wont group my class because of the so called meta and building the perfect group wah wah" There is a bloody reason your aren't chosen over those other classes.. Maybe if you realized that you would understand the majority of players gripes about Albion.
Lol.MadDog wrote: ↑Thu 28 Mar 2019 3:48 PMSeige wrote: ↑Thu 28 Mar 2019 1:17 PMMacPrior wrote: ↑Thu 28 Mar 2019 5:50 AMAlbion has strongest classes.
Albion has access to very strong set ups - caster, melee and mixed.
But
Albion is a most difficult realm for group building.
and
Albion has always on every server huge part of population interested in PvE only.
A midgarder has nothing to do in inside realm after he hited the level 50 and got an equipment, he is permanently ready for RvR.
An Albioner after making first lvl 50, starts the next one, then a third one, then farms items for a perfect temp, then starts to farm items for a better temp and afterwords may be (!) he begins to think about RvR.
What makes a Cleric stronger than a healer? or Druid?
What makes a Sorc stronger than a bard? Healer?
What makes a Merc stronger than a bm? Zerker?
What makes a Cabby stronger than a Eld? Shaman?
When you make blanket statements at least give your reasoning behind them please. Obviously you can't do a mirror comparison, but if you look at the jobs of each class.
Seems to be a few people who truly think Albion is the strongest of the realms. Historically this isn't true without overwhelming numbers. I am starting to think I played/play a different game than some of you. I do agree with Albion being difficult to build the right groups. This is one of the key problems with Albion.. The reason its difficult to build the right groups is because of the weaknesses of the classes imo. Not that people won't group certain classes.
All of you who are complaining that, "Its not fair Alb simply wont group my class because of the so called meta and building the perfect group wah wah" There is a bloody reason your aren't chosen over those other classes.. Maybe if you realized that you would understand the majority of players gripes about Albion.
Why comparing Sorc to bard and healer ?
Sorc are main CC or dps, they are strong AF, they have all the utility except nearsight and Disease but this point is covered by cabalist.
faliv wrote: ↑Fri 29 Mar 2019 11:08 AM2xminstrel, 2xcleric, 1xfriar, 3xmelee (nec optional) and you have a braindead melee sticksetup in alb too.
But as always: Albions biggest handicap are its players.
FFpheonix wrote: ↑Fri 29 Mar 2019 4:32 PMBraindead (in this thread) means "requiring little thought to do well."
There's very few Albs willing to run a melee group, and of those limited groups even less consider the potential of adding a Necro (for almost double damage on the assist train.)
Seige wrote: ↑Fri 29 Mar 2019 2:11 PMfaliv wrote: ↑Fri 29 Mar 2019 11:08 AM2xminstrel, 2xcleric, 1xfriar, 3xmelee (nec optional) and you have a braindead melee sticksetup in alb too.
But as always: Albions biggest handicap are its players.
Is that setup equal to 2xdruid 1xbard 1xwarden 4xBM or some other melee variant.. We've run 3 BM 1 VW with good success(offtopic)
Or 2xHealer 1x Shaman 1x Skald 3 savages zerk/warr/thane w/e ?
I don't understand how players wanting to run the most optimal group comps makes them braindead.. Where did this mentality come from? There is a reason that the best 8 mans are on Hib/Mid imo.
There is a good 8 man for Alb running around thats all RR7+.. Kudos to them for making it work.. You guys are scary to fight.
faliv wrote: ↑Fri 29 Mar 2019 11:08 AM2xminstrel, 2xcleric, 1xfriar, 3xmelee (nec optional) and you have a braindead melee sticksetup in alb too.
But as always: Albions biggest handicap are its players.
Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:Cami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:34 PMI think this is a subjective impression from the Albion point of view, the Hibernian sun is brighter and the Midgard snow is cleaner, of course!
Where is a good Midgard setup easier to build than an Albion group? Hibernia might need one less class to meet the absolute minimal requirements, but this doesn't mean, that you can fill up with anything. I just assume, that each single group slot is under heavy min-max discussions in all 3 realms and black-white opinions about the one and only group setup are not restricted to one realm.
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
SaintRon wrote: ↑Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:38 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:Cami wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:34 PMI think this is a subjective impression from the Albion point of view, the Hibernian sun is brighter and the Midgard snow is cleaner, of course!
Where is a good Midgard setup easier to build than an Albion group? Hibernia might need one less class to meet the absolute minimal requirements, but this doesn't mean, that you can fill up with anything. I just assume, that each single group slot is under heavy min-max discussions in all 3 realms and black-white opinions about the one and only group setup are not restricted to one realm.
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
When I played live on my Sorc we ran:
Sorc, Cleric , Cleric, Paladin, Minstrel, + 3 DPS from whoever was available within the guild.
When you guys say the Alb group "doesn't have enough room for mez" you kinda sound clueless. We HAD to include a paladin back in the day.
I think you're just stuck making caster groups since that's what's leveling... so your rvr concerns are more... pve concerns.
Ashenspire wrote: ↑Fri 29 Mar 2019 7:17 PMNecro's AF debuff doesn't warrant them a slot in an alb melee group. A theurgist will add similar DPS with haste and DA while actually contributing in other areas like damage and disruption, and cc.
Seige wrote: ↑Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:52 PMSaintRon wrote: ↑Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:38 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:12 PMIt's because of Albion gossip #1:
We need to run caba grp and can not form grps easily.
Let's face it none of the /region ae invite grps can stand a 8vs8, so if they would admit that point a alb grp is easy to build.
Cleric, Cleric, Sorc, Minstrel + dps
Just the same as
Druid, Druid, Bard
Healer, Healer, Shaman, Skald
"Celerity" or "hib has more heals" what ever is just a minor deviation if they accept that they simple can not win and should not build for 8vs8
The task zone is out there waiting for Albion
When I played live on my Sorc we ran:
Sorc, Cleric , Cleric, Paladin, Minstrel, + 3 DPS from whoever was available within the guild.
When you guys say the Alb group "doesn't have enough room for mez" you kinda sound clueless. We HAD to include a paladin back in the day.
I think you're just stuck making caster groups since that's what's leveling... so your rvr concerns are more... pve concerns.
Doesn't have enough room for MEZ ?? Don't see anyone saying that.. Doesn't have enough room for ME? Think you are missing the point of the discussion or your willfully clueless.
FFpheonix wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 1:07 PMThe other Realms are better at many things, when compared to what and Alb group can offer. Friar, Necromancer, Reaver, and Paladin do not make it into most Alb RvR groups. The main reason is the MIN/MAX of efficiency and utility per class and the 8 member group limit. Neither Hib nor Mid need to make a decision to leave Mezz out of their groups, that's a huge plus for them when forming a group.
SaintRon wrote: ↑Sun 31 Mar 2019 12:16 AMSeige wrote: ↑Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:52 PMSaintRon wrote: ↑Sat 30 Mar 2019 10:38 PMWhen I played live on my Sorc we ran:
Sorc, Cleric , Cleric, Paladin, Minstrel, + 3 DPS from whoever was available within the guild.
When you guys say the Alb group "doesn't have enough room for mez" you kinda sound clueless. We HAD to include a paladin back in the day.
I think you're just stuck making caster groups since that's what's leveling... so your rvr concerns are more... pve concerns.
Doesn't have enough room for MEZ ?? Don't see anyone saying that.. Doesn't have enough room for ME? Think you are missing the point of the discussion or your willfully clueless.
Someone literally typed that out earlier in this thread.FFpheonix wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 1:07 PMThe other Realms are better at many things, when compared to what and Alb group can offer. Friar, Necromancer, Reaver, and Paladin do not make it into most Alb RvR groups. The main reason is the MIN/MAX of efficiency and utility per class and the 8 member group limit. Neither Hib nor Mid need to make a decision to leave Mezz out of their groups, that's a huge plus for them when forming a group.
Critical13 wrote: ↑Wed 13 Mar 2019 4:04 AMI have been playing for about 2 months now and I think it's safe to say that Albion is the worst realm...in terms of RvR.
This isn't meant to bash our realm, but to identify the issues that cause us to be the worst.
What are some problems that we as Albs face and is there a possible solution?
Arla wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jun 2019 8:08 PMI rolled Alb with a few friends. Looking to break the meta and have fun. I think Reavers have some interesting potential in RvR. No other realm has bolt range mezz. A primary speed class that gets a pet. I could go on, but my point is Alb has cool classes, the meta is made to be broken and can lead to some serious fun. Even with 8 manning here there is rarely a "clean hit". The opportunities abound for building interesting groups that could potentially fight more than 8 without being a prototypical extend group.
Tigerforce wrote: ↑Mon 17 Jun 2019 6:19 AMThat being said the only thing to really do Is make Alb melee more attractive. One of the main issues is a lack of celerity. Friars attack too slow, 2h Pally's are near useless, and are just completely outshined by Mid/Hib tanks. Mid has celerity, and Hib tanks have free IP2, 3rd blade for more dmg ect...
Horus wrote: ↑Thu 20 Jun 2019 1:54 PM1. Easy endo regen (sorry palys)
2. Det on light tanks (Reaver is prob the best rvr tank in the game with determination)
3. Improved wiz earth line.
Horus wrote: ↑Thu 20 Jun 2019 1:54 PM1. Easy endo regen (sorry palys)
2. Det on light tanks (Reaver is prob the best rvr tank in the game with determination)
3. Improved wiz earth line.
MacPrior wrote: ↑Fri 21 Jun 2019 6:27 AMHorus wrote: ↑Thu 20 Jun 2019 1:54 PM1. Easy endo regen (sorry palys)
2. Det on light tanks (Reaver is prob the best rvr tank in the game with determination)
3. Improved wiz earth line.
I like Albion, but I found this statement was somehow... strange.
1 . Pala has to twist his chants permanent in order to keep power and provide endu. 1 hour run through FZ searching enemy contact is just pain for a pala. Or, he has to use a forbidden macro.
Easy endu looks for me different.
2 . Reaver istnt a light tank, he is a Hybrid, like VW, Thane, Skald, Warden, Champion. And each of them got a possibility to skill Determination. So, no advantage for Alb in this piont too.
Light tanks are Merc, Bersi, Sauvage and BM. And they getting automatically stoizism additional to Det.
3. Improved Wizz sonds good. He is good. But he got some utilities which a Runi and an Eldrich always have had.
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