Good duo for a father and son?

Started 1 Mar 2019
by labova
in PvE
My son is 8 years old, and he is curious about "those old games" I am playing. He is playing more or less exclusively on consoles, so pc gaming with keyboard and mouse will be new.

His preference is for pet classes. I will make a character that will work with whatever he wishes to play. As for realm, we will play whatever he prefers.

I was thinking tentatively on the Bonedancer as a suitable and forgiving class to play. Thoughts on that? I would appreciate any advice.
Fri 1 Mar 2019 11:24 AM by Durgrim
For Midgard speaking and taking his preferences into account, I'd go for Pet-SM and Healer.
Fire and Forget Weapon would be 2x Bonedancer.
You may want to consider Savage and Shaman as well.
Fri 1 Mar 2019 1:19 PM by sprinkle
what kind of parent would get his kid into mmos at age 8

jesus
Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:22 PM by Padatoo
labova wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 9:29 AM
Good duo for a father and son?


2 Sith lords
Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:45 PM by Miscanthus
My son and I used to play together when he was 10ish. He really liked the troll BD. Easy to play, good survivability and most importantly the Troll looked cool.

Play a Skald if you ever think he'll RvR with you. If not, a shaman or healer would be good for pve.
Fri 1 Mar 2019 5:44 PM by labova
Miscanthus wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:45 PM
My son and I used to play together when he was 10ish. He really liked the troll BD. Easy to play, good survivability and most importantly the Troll looked cool.

Play a Skald if you ever think he'll RvR with you. If not, a shaman or healer would be good for pve.

Thanks for the advice. Troll BD sounds like something he would find fun! We'll see what we'll do together.
Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:53 PM by Amorphium
BD and Shaman is probably easy to do, the pet should rock with Shaman buffs
Tue 5 Mar 2019 2:27 PM by Invyz1
sprinkle wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 1:19 PM
what kind of parent would get his kid into mmos at age 8

jesus

the kind that wants to bond with his son ? you handicap.

I'd say Skald & Tri Spec Healer, leave your son on skald cause it's infinitely more fun and he'll enjoy it! and assuming you've a higher skill level you can control the engage !
Tue 5 Mar 2019 2:38 PM by Durgrim
Invyz1 wrote:
Tue 5 Mar 2019 2:27 PM
sprinkle wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 1:19 PM
what kind of parent would get his kid into mmos at age 8

jesus

the kind that wants to bond with his son ? you handicap.

OT:
Ah...bonding now happens whilst looking into a screen separately nowadays?
Must have missed something. I do enjoy phoenix every now and then with my 11 year old, but this is far from 'bonding'
Do you have kids, sprinkle?
Tue 5 Mar 2019 10:46 PM by Pops999
Durgrim wrote:
Tue 5 Mar 2019 2:38 PM
Invyz1 wrote:
Tue 5 Mar 2019 2:27 PM
sprinkle wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 1:19 PM
what kind of parent would get his kid into mmos at age 8

jesus

the kind that wants to bond with his son ? you handicap.

OT:
Ah...bonding now happens whilst looking into a screen separately nowadays?
Must have missed something. I do enjoy phoenix every now and then with my 11 year old, but this is far from 'bonding'
Do you have kids, sprinkle?

How is it not bonding? You are both enjoying a game together.
Wed 6 Mar 2019 3:29 AM by Stimmed
If your son or daughter enjoys playing games and wants to play with you why would you not do that? Same as if they enjoyed soccer etc and wanted you to go out to kick a ball to spend time with them.

BD is prolly easier then say a SM etc if your going mid for sure. Just run a shaman or Pac healer with him and go to town? BD can self sustain great and buffs will only help more.
Wed 6 Mar 2019 9:47 AM by Ceen
Stimmed wrote:
Wed 6 Mar 2019 3:29 AM
If your son or daughter enjoys playing games and wants to play with you why would you not do that? Same as if they enjoyed soccer etc and wanted you to go out to kick a ball to spend time with them.

BD is prolly easier then say a SM etc if your going mid for sure. Just run a shaman or Pac healer with him and go to town? BD can self sustain great and buffs will only help more.
They learn something from playing soccer but nothing from sitting at home playing computer games, might be the reason?
Wed 6 Mar 2019 4:45 PM by Brokenstring
Ceen wrote:
Wed 6 Mar 2019 9:47 AM
Stimmed wrote:
Wed 6 Mar 2019 3:29 AM
If your son or daughter enjoys playing games and wants to play with you why would you not do that? Same as if they enjoyed soccer etc and wanted you to go out to kick a ball to spend time with them.

BD is prolly easier then say a SM etc if your going mid for sure. Just run a shaman or Pac healer with him and go to town? BD can self sustain great and buffs will only help more.
They learn something from playing soccer but nothing from sitting at home playing computer games, might be the reason?

Is this sarcasm? Dark Age of Camelot is a game just like soccer, you can learn things from both.

On Uthgard, I would have suggested a Skald/Shaman duo. The most straightforward effective duo on Mid if the ultimate goal is to RvR eventually. Now with perma sprint possible without a Shaman, I might even suggest a Healer with their extra ability to CC heavily.

For PvE, that's completely different. BD or Shaman with a Healer probably, is what I'd do for PvE.
Mon 11 Mar 2019 9:41 AM by k3mra
My father and i also played video games together since i was 11 .. now im 34 and he is 64 and wenn still enjoing playing together and can laugh about stuff that happend in different games 20 years ago. It was and still is a fun time that i dont want to miss! .. only advice from me is dont over do it and watch that he still does his homework and other more important stuff

Back to topic
I would think thane + healer/shaman would be good
With healer you can stun nuke with shaman you can do more melee
And its not so dangerous because he doesnt have to bodypull

Have a good time and fun
Mon 11 Mar 2019 11:18 AM by Victos
I myself have played PC games since I was 6, some on the C64/Amiga and then transitioned to PC. Never had problems with friends or in school, in fact I was even helping others up to and including university level mathematics. And I can certainly credit some of my success to games, like I knew English words my classmates didn't, I was more used to type in English by the age of 14 than some of them are today because I was quite active in battlenet at the time.

Now 32, have 3 kids to care about and the oldest one (8) likes games aswell. So he can play in case everything is done and he doesn't want to go outside. He's still crushing school, especially good in mathematics, he has a lot of friends, hell he even has a "girl he loves" from school. So I doubt gaming is doing any harm and would even claim that it helps developing skills he otherwise wouldn't have (problem solving is a big one).

In case of DAoC, I've recently had a Thane, before I deleted him, at lvl 49 and let my 6 year old daughter press like 2 buttons to "call thunder from the sky". And she enjoyed it quite a bit and immediately asked questions about the things in this game world. I then let her turn in my xp-eggs to the trainer that would turn me 50, and I said "give this man the eggs you collected" she did and then was completely amazed by the sounds and the effects and asked "what just happened?" And I told her that she reached a new level, she's stronger now because she worked for it by collecting those eggs.

You should see them both play together, they love the lego games and just explore the worlds. And then they turn it off, grab their real lego and play with that.

So yeah, I can't see anything wrong with letting them play from time to time if they're developed enough for the specific game. Sure I wouldn't let them raid DF or show them some of the more "scary" monsters of DAoC and I would also not let them interact with strangers at that age.

It is a case by case thing though, so I would try to show them the games carefully rather than just throwing them in.

But Thane seems to be fun, it's somewhat "flashy" and easy to play, especially when supported.

So I would guess thane+support is quite good.
Mon 11 Mar 2019 12:03 PM by Durgrim
Victos wrote:
Mon 11 Mar 2019 11:18 AM
I myself have played PC games since I was 6, some on the C64/Amiga and then transitioned to PC. Never had problems with friends or in school, in fact I was even helping others up to and including university level mathematics. And I can certainly credit some of my success to games, like I knew English words my classmates didn't, I was more used to type in English by the age of 14 than some of them are today because I was quite active in battlenet at the time.

Now 32, have 3 kids to care about and the oldest one (8) likes games aswell. So he can play in case everything is done and he doesn't want to go outside. He's still crushing school, especially good in mathematics, he has a lot of friends, hell he even has a "girl he loves" from school. So I doubt gaming is doing any harm and would even claim that it helps developing skills he otherwise wouldn't have (problem solving is a big one).

In case of DAoC, I've recently had a Thane, before I deleted him, at lvl 49 and let my 6 year old daughter press like 2 buttons to "call thunder from the sky". And she enjoyed it quite a bit and immediately asked questions about the things in this game world. I then let her turn in my xp-eggs to the trainer that would turn me 50, and I said "give this man the eggs you collected" she did and then was completely amazed by the sounds and the effects and asked "what just happened?" And I told her that she reached a new level, she's stronger now because she worked for it by collecting those eggs.

You should see them both play together, they love the lego games and just explore the worlds. And then they turn it off, grab their real lego and play with that.

So yeah, I can't see anything wrong with letting them play from time to time if they're developed enough for the specific game. Sure I wouldn't let them raid DF or show them some of the more "scary" monsters of DAoC and I would also not let them interact with strangers at that age.

It is a case by case thing though, so I would try to show them the games carefully rather than just throwing them in.

But Thane seems to be fun, it's somewhat "flashy" and easy to play, especially when supported.

So I would guess thane+support is quite good.

You don't need to justify yourself. What happens in your house is solely your own business and should stay there - on the internet you will not get a agreeing 'oh yes, you may be right on that' instead lure all these trolls around the corner, just waiting for someone sharing a decent RL and mock on it.

Generally (not to one of you) speaking...
I did a lot of mistakes in the past raising my kids and thus I do know, that the worst case is, that kid/s and parents sit in front of the screen being focused there.
You do not bond with the kid, when both of you play the game separately. (grouping together, like really together may be a different story)
Parking the kid in front of the screen and enjoy RvR and high-five the kid in the evening, telling him what a beautiful father-son day it was is not the solution here.
The topics in the household will change and affect others. Kids learn from what you do, not from what you say.
All of you out there, do yourself ask one question every day:
What did I teach my kid today? not by speaking - by acting.
Do I really want to show my kid that going straight to the computer after dinner - or generally as often as possible is okay?
Do I really want to show them that not helping the partner in the household - or leave household behind is okay?
Do I really want to teach him that responding to someone whilst focusing the screen is okay?
How often have you/we 'ignored' a kid's need or him/her just wanted attention because we thought it is okay to play during daytime on weekends?
I do hear terrible things on teamspeak/discord every day....to me it seems some have kids as a tick in the box.
Mon 11 Mar 2019 12:54 PM by Victos
Yes of course not neglecting other things over a game should be a given, sadly it's not for many families. But that is something that happens with every kind of hobby.

Whether you let your child play on the pc, let it draw pictures, go outside, meet friends - what ever - if any of this happens while neglecting something else you're showing that those activities have priority.

To me gaming is a hobby like any other, one kid likes soccer, one likes rugby, one likes computer games.
And hobbies should be treated as such, they are important but shouldn't take priority over more important stuff.

And on top of that children shouldn't lose their natural curiosity because of any hobby.

Children shouldn't be neglected nor should they be taught to neglect themselves.

Sadly I see many parents not caring much about the needs of their children. Like even answering questions, children love to learn, they ask all the time. And many parents just put them off and say "stop asking stupid questions". I think parents should use those questions to actually learn themselves.

Like my daughter just randomly asks questions when she goes to bed and I try to answer stuff, but sometimes I simply don't know, so I tell her that I'll look it up or we look it up together.

All in all, if you handle it correctly gaming can be a good experience for the child and studies have also shown several benefits. But parking your child - anywhere - isn't going to cut it and might even do more harm than good.
Tue 19 Mar 2019 6:47 PM by dekayius
sprinkle wrote:
Fri 1 Mar 2019 1:19 PM
what kind of parent would get his kid into mmos at age 8

jesus

A good one.
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