Hunters need a buff, do something productive

Seriously, when are you planning on doing something about hunters? This is ridiculous. Waste of time. Waste of class.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 6:50 AM by Sepplord

Improved wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 5:00 AM
Seriously, when are you planning on doing something about hunters? This is ridiculous. Waste of time. Waste of class.

This post, and the title demanding productivity are a bit ironic to me...
How about you put in the effort, that you are demanding from the people that already spend loads of work to let you play for free, yourself.
If you do not want to gather and provide detailed data, and just voice your feelings about the state of hunters, at least do it polite and speak for yourself.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:16 AM by Durgrim

Improved wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 5:00 AM
Seriously, when are you planning on doing something about hunters? This is ridiculous. Waste of time. Waste of class.

If you read other archer/hunter related posts carefully, you may find a statement where Staff posted that they have discussions about it. No ETA so far.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:13 AM by teiloh

Can't even bother to read forum posts by devs, who have worked on this server for 2+ years, saying Archers being reviewed internally

Makes post demanding "productivity"

Thu 7 Mar 2019 2:31 PM by Ardri

Improved wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 5:00 AM
Seriously, when are you planning on doing something about hunters? This is ridiculous. Waste of time. Waste of class.

Git gud.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 3:03 PM by Joc

currently leveling a hunter to test it since I missed testing it on the i50 beta. I'll post swing and bow results and specs once I'm 50 and templated. Its clear they are in a bad spot currently and I'm interested in what the dev team has in mind. I'm patient though and there are dozens of other classes they are working on between balancing real life and playing the game for enjoyment.

I don't care if it takes a year for changes tbh. Its been said it's evening looked into and I trust it is. All we can do as the community is send constructive feedback and not be toxic a$$holes about it. Test and submit data. Do your part.

Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:34 AM by Dakkhon

What are you talking about you are already ahead of the game!! You have the pet with disease, buffs and Spear! Hunters are fine. Rangers are fine. It's Scout that needs help if anyone needs it. Even back in the day it was Scouts that had it the roughest. Leveling is easy here and easier for Rangers and Hunters...again personal buffs. I'm not feeling your complaint. I have a hunter and he is doing just fine imo.

Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:56 AM by Durgrim

Dakkhon wrote: ↑
Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:34 AM
What are you talking about you are already ahead of the game!! You have the pet with disease, buffs and Spear! Hunters are fine. Rangers are fine. It's Scout that needs help if anyone needs it. Even back in the day it was Scouts that had it the roughest. Leveling is easy here and easier for Rangers and Hunters...again personal buffs. I'm not feeling your complaint. I have a hunter and he is doing just fine imo.

You can have my spear if you gave me your longbow range.
Take my selfbuffs and give me your 42 shield.
No, I do not want a Scout - I want to play in Midgard.

Fri 8 Mar 2019 2:34 PM by Calconious

Dakkhon wrote: ↑
Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:34 AM
What are you talking about you are already ahead of the game!! You have the pet with disease, buffs and Spear! Hunters are fine. Rangers are fine. It's Scout that needs help if anyone needs it. Even back in the day it was Scouts that had it the roughest. Leveling is easy here and easier for Rangers and Hunters...again personal buffs. I'm not feeling your complaint. I have a hunter and he is doing just fine imo.

The hunter pet doesn't disease here. Unless it doesn't have a spell effect/message... I have never seen it.

Sat 9 Mar 2019 5:59 PM by Dakkhon

Ok have my 42 shield and range ill take buffs any day. You just dont realize how good you have it. Extra range equals maybe 1 more shot if your lucky and you guys melee better then scout. Also give me pet so I can dps like its 2 vs 1.

Sat 9 Mar 2019 6:47 PM by semadin

Dakkhon wrote: ↑
Sat 9 Mar 2019 5:59 PM
Ok have my 42 shield and range ill take buffs any day. You just dont realize how good you have it. Extra range equals maybe 1 more shot if your lucky and you guys melee better then scout. Also give me pet so I can dps like its 2 vs 1.

You must not realize how low value the buffs hunters and rangers have when everyone is running around with pots and charges for buffs already.

Even just running around on pot buffs as a scout, you're basically getting low-mid range pf/bc buffs. You can surpass them easily with charges.

This game will always generate 'the grass is greener' arguments. I think it's more productive to look at it from a play style perspective, as the play styles of each archer class are different...and that's the entire point of this game. If you want to be melee focused with dual wield as a scout...go play a ranger. There are strengths and weaknesses all around. Nothing will be 1 for 1 equal.

Sat 9 Mar 2019 10:17 PM by stinsfire

I think archery damage in general needs to be reworked and that Beastcraft is extremely lackluster for being the defining characterstic of the hunter. You get buffs that only start to get better delve than pots when you put 40 BC in it and since it already provides the best pet at 32 its a waste of points to dump any more into it when you only get a 50 delve selfbuff at 50BC... Maybe make the archer self buffs 75 like thane S/C.. Even if you fight enemies with pots or with mid-buffs from cleric/druid you feel like putting the points into it was worth it since 75 delve becomes like 90 effectively and putting points in the line is required anyway.

Beastcraft should either get better pets at higher spec. Maybe give us a disease pet at BC 40+.. or give it styles and faster runspeed. Or make Hunter the true charm class of midgard with access to more mobtypes than insects/animals. And dont tell me.. but hes a hunter and it makes thematically sense. Then minstrel should only be able to charm humanoids and maybe snakes/reptiles (<--flute). Why can a minstrel charm a ghost horse but I can't charm reptiles etc?

Why would I spec BC to 50 when I can just use 75 d/q charges and 39 d/q pots when charge is down. The points are much better invested in high melee.. the thing is.. i dont really wanted to play a melee char when I started a hunter. I wanted to play a long range archer with pets and some magic but for now I reduce BC to a minimum and put the left over points into melee just because it is more efficient.

Okay.. this post was not well structured or thought out, but I guess you got the idea. BC gives you d/q buff with low delve, a bad pet that is slow as hell, barely does damage and dies really quick, a useless 3s casttime pet buff(for rvr that is) and a speedshout, but minstrels and bards will still catch you and it is on a 10 minute cooldown.

teiloh wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:13 AM
Can't even bother to read forum posts by devs, who have worked on this server for 2+ years, saying Archers being reviewed internally

Makes post demanding "productivity"

can you link me to the thread? Mabye I am blind or something but I cannot find a dev respond to the state of archers. There is some 15 pages thread about archery and I skipped through it..maybe I missed the dev post.

Sun 10 Mar 2019 5:55 AM by AngelRose

Dakkhon wrote: ↑
Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:34 AM
What are you talking about you are already ahead of the game!! You have the pet with disease, buffs and Spear! Hunters are fine. Rangers are fine. It's Scout that needs help if anyone needs it. Even back in the day it was Scouts that had it the roughest. Leveling is easy here and easier for Rangers and Hunters...again personal buffs. I'm not feeling your complaint. I have a hunter and he is doing just fine imo.

You obviously do not know the hunter on this server. The pet does not disease. It is very weak, and is the slowest pet of all the realms. And, the charges/pots give better buffs then the ones hunters spec for.

Overall, the 'pluses' to the class are lame.

Sun 10 Mar 2019 7:29 AM by AngelRose

From another thread. By far, hunters are the least played stealther. For good reason

https://imgur.com/a/IQILkfn?

Mon 11 Mar 2019 6:04 AM by Redzus

i saw a dwarf hunter kill 6 drinkers fighting them at the same time in DF .. tbh no buff needed if they can be that hard without a healer in there back just with pots and pot buffs.

Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 AM by Durgrim

Redzus wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 6:04 AM
i saw a dwarf hunter kill 6 drinkers fighting them at the same time in DF

naburite drinkers con what to 50? yellow? blue?
No way that a hunter fights 6 yellows in melee without heal and surviving. You must have missed something then.

Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:49 PM by Redzus

Durgrim wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 AM
Redzus wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 6:04 AM
i saw a dwarf hunter kill 6 drinkers fighting them at the same time in DF

naburite drinkers con what to 50? yellow? blue?
No way that a hunter fights 6 yellows in melee without heal and surviving. You must have missed something then.

Yellow / Orange , he used healing potions and buff potions, i did miss nothing just stood there and watched.

Thu 14 Mar 2019 1:47 PM by Leandrys

highly doubt about it, Hunters can't tank more than 3 Naburite when they still are yellow/orange, even with buffs and one miserable potions, there's either something you've missed or you're just bs'ing, or he was 8L+.

Thu 14 Mar 2019 1:52 PM by Glasny

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Sun 10 Mar 2019 7:29 AM
From another thread. By far, hunters are the least played stealther. For good reason

https://imgur.com/a/IQILkfn?

Try playing a scout ...
Also, don't believe everything you see

Thu 14 Mar 2019 2:05 PM by Leandrys

Glasny wrote: ↑
Thu 14 Mar 2019 1:52 PM
AngelRose wrote: ↑
Sun 10 Mar 2019 7:29 AM
From another thread. By far, hunters are the least played stealther. For good reason

https://imgur.com/a/IQILkfn?

Try playing a scout ...
Also, don't believe everything you see

Well, slow 1H (aka spear) vs CD = rip and hunter's bow = worst of IG bows, hunter's unique pros are 1 positionnal and 1 pet (useless in 80% of engages, very useful in the rest of them but now almost every target you'll engage solo has purge/IP/Moc/vanish, it's gimp, just like the scout's slam which become useless even more more as each day passes).

The scout is bad in current meta, but the hunter is even less played while he stands on the most opulated realm, there are reasons to that, it's not a choice by players, it just really sucks here in this zergy 1.65 hybrid with megaoverQOL.