Celt Nightshade - Make it so. - Phoenix Freeshard

I know, I know... Luri's are the best for Nightshades....

Let many of us gimp ourselves with Celts so we can endure the mocking criticism of WHY? WHY WOULD YOU PLAY A CELT NS??

... because. That's why.

Wed 30 Jan 2019 10:46 PM by Bradekes

Someone has to use the blades with critical strike on them.... please add celt

Thu 31 Jan 2019 1:40 AM by The Skies Asunder

Honestly all the class/race combination updates that Live has had could have been implemented as a custom change to let players have more choice options without actually unbalancing anything in a significant way.

Thu 31 Jan 2019 3:44 PM by Pim_Pam_Poum

Make a firbolg nightshade or a troll shadowblade too xD

Thu 31 Jan 2019 3:56 PM by Bradekes

Pim_Pam_Poum wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Jan 2019 3:44 PM
Make a firbolg nightshade or a troll shadowblade too xD

I think firbolg should be able to be champs. Troll can be thane. Highlander can be paladin so why not. I'd even love to see sylvan they have perfect stats for champ

Thu 31 Jan 2019 4:41 PM by chryso

Pim_Pam_Poum wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Jan 2019 3:44 PM
Make a firbolg nightshade or a troll shadowblade too xD

Makes sense. Trolls have natural stealth when in rocky terrain.

Thu 31 Jan 2019 4:51 PM by Bradekes

Addings races to a class is actually really easy and I think there would be tons of positive feedback allowing more race/class combos with a voting system. I know I would enjoy that.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 10:54 PM by Jerrian

Troll shadowblade, oh yeah :-D . If he does the PA he would hit through the whole body of his victim and breaks the back apart. More race-class choices would be nice, but in that case ppl should have the chance to respec their char classes. But I ´m pretty sure there will be no change, otherwise staff would have to allow every class-race option as others would might complain why celts could become ns now, and lurikeens still are not able to become bards, for example.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 11:15 PM by Joc

Bladeshades are mean. A Celt would be nice since mid has Norse and Alb get Briton.

Sun 3 Feb 2019 6:17 AM by The Skies Asunder

Jerrian wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 10:54 PM
Troll shadowblade, oh yeah :-D . If he does the PA he would hit through the whole body of his victim and breaks the back apart. More race-class choices would be nice, but in that case ppl should have the chance to respec their char classes. But I ´m pretty sure there will be no change, otherwise staff would have to allow every class-race option as others would might complain why celts could become ns now, and lurikeens still are not able to become bards, for example.

The Race/Class combinations allowed by Mythic/EA/Broadsword were selected with at least a bit of mechanical balance in mind though. Lurikeen or Elf bard would be OP due to such high dexterity. Healing classes don't get the luxury of having good dex for a good reason.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 5:11 PM by Horus

I must have been living under a rock as I did not realize Celts could not be NSs until now. How can this be? Hasn't that been in forever? How does this make sense when you can have Norse SBs and Briton Infilts?

Thu 7 Mar 2019 6:24 PM by grated

Ok, if SB get access to hammer.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:10 PM by HtGeist

Next up plate wearing half ogre infils PA'ing with polearms..cos roleplay..no celt ns's suck it ! spoiled hibernian brats.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:59 PM by Yokahu

I was also under the impression I could create a Celt NS. I actually tried it a few times but every time I was done with the character creation and clicked on the Create button, the toon wasn’t created. Now I know why...

Would a Celt NS be too OP in this server? Is that the reason why we can’t create it? I know that we can in Live.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 9:11 PM by Bradekes

Yokahu wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:59 PM
Would a Celt NS be too OP in this server? Is that the reason why we can’t create it? I know that we can in Live.

No it wouldn't but celt couldn't be NS @ 1.65

Fri 8 Mar 2019 2:36 AM by rubaduck

I love when we're beating a dead horse.

If you use the search function on this forum, you'll easily find multiple posts where the devs have stated that they are not adding more race combinations.

Fri 8 Mar 2019 8:12 AM by inoeth

Lol bladeshades do most dmg of all assassins even as luri or elf.... There is no need for celt ns

Dont add this!

Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:03 AM by Freedomcall

I just read GMs are discussing the access of SBs to hammers.
Why not discuss Celt NS then?

Fri 8 Mar 2019 11:37 AM by Bradekes

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:03 AM
I just read GMs are discussing the access of SBs to hammers.
Why not discuss Celt NS then?

Where did you read this? There is a small snippet in a suggestion forum but nothing I've seen from a GM...

Fri 8 Mar 2019 8:12 PM by Pirhana7

Celt NS should have been in from the start for balance instead of Elf. Celt = Briton, Elf = Avalonian

Celt NSs were actually planned to go in for Blades balance pretty early on between Si and TOA. It was all set and people were ready for the patch then at the last second they decided not to go through with it because everyone who had a high RR Luri NS complained that they would be gimp compared to Celt NS.

Years later, I cant remember when but they finally did go through with it.

Really is no reason why this shouldn't be in effect here on Phoenix, especially since both Mid, and Alb have 3 races that can assassins.

Fri 8 Mar 2019 8:14 PM by Horus

Bradekes wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 9:11 PM
Yokahu wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:59 PM
Would a Celt NS be too OP in this server? Is that the reason why we can’t create it? I know that we can in Live.
No it wouldn't but celt couldn't be NS @ 1.65

Do you really want to start down that path of reasoning? What was "in 1.65"?

The combination does not exist because dev is of the opinion it should not...but I think there is ample justification for it on this particular custom rule set server.

Fri 8 Mar 2019 9:55 PM by Bradekes

Horus wrote: ↑
Fri 8 Mar 2019 8:14 PM
Do you really want to start down that path of reasoning? What was "in 1.65"?

The combination does not exist because dev is of the opinion it should not...but I think there is ample justification for it on this particular custom rule set server.

Yes I think that they did not allow Celt NS due to Race/Class restrictions from 1.65 as there are NO exceptions. Also, I was like one of the first people to say I think they should allow it on this thread so not sure why you would want to start something here...

Fri 8 Mar 2019 10:50 PM by Mauriac

grated wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 6:24 PM
Ok, if SB get access to hammer.

Concur. To be fair I think Celt should be able to be NS anyway. I just want to see other dmg options for SB

Fri 8 Mar 2019 11:21 PM by jg777

While I agree that Celts should be able to take the Nightshade path, Phoenix staff have repeatedly stated no more class/race combinations will be implemented and it’s in everyone’s best interest that they stand their ground or else it’ll create a bad precedent that with enough nagging the Phoenix staff will change their long held and long standing positions for the server. Adding race/class combinations may seem minor but it begins a slippery slope, and many players picked their race/class based on the current race/class combinations, changing now would be annoying for those affected by the change.

Right or not, I’d rather Phoenix staff not implement any new race/class combinations on the server- for the sake of consistency and knowing Phoenix staff stands by their statements when they finalize something for the server.